Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, November 27, 2016

President-elect Donald Trump alleged Sunday, without evidence, that "millions of people" voted illegally for Hillary Clinton and otherwise he would have won the popular vote. It's an unprecedented allegation by a president-elect. Trump won the Electoral College and thus the White House, but the Democratic nominee leads him in the popular vote by about two million ballots. "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted.

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Ezra Klein writes, "It has been weeks since Donald Trump won the presidential election, and here is what we can say: he is still just himself. He is governing like he promised. He is appointing the loyalists, lackeys, and extremists he surrounded himself with during the campaign. He is tweeting the same strange, crazed missives, pursuing the same odd and counterproductive vendettas. His conflicts of interest have proven, if anything, worse than expected, and he has shown no shame, restraint, or interest in addressing them. America -- through the electoral college -- voted to make Donald J. Trump president, and we are getting what we asked for, good and hard."

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A president-elect making this claim without any factual evidence is insane. Trump is mentally unstable and we're about to give him control of the world's most powerful nuclear arsenal.

#1 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He would choose to destroy our democracy. The only thing that sustains it is the belief that it works.

Insane is right.

In the meantime, he is too busy to even listen to national security briefings!!!

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-27 07:24 PM | Reply

Trump is a pathological liar.

#3 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-27 07:24 PM | Reply

It's going to be a mean four years.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-11-27 07:29 PM | Reply

I don't know if the world makes it four years with this lunatic in charge of the U.S.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 07:29 PM | Reply

Klein writes, "It has been weeks since Donald Trump won the presidential election, and here is what we can say: he is still just himself.

He is governing like he promised. He is appointing the loyalists, lackeys, and extremists he surrounded himself with during the campaign.

He is tweeting the same strange, crazed missives, pursuing the same odd and counterproductive vendettas.

His conflicts of interest have proven, if anything, worse than expected, and he has shown no shame, restraint, or interest in addressing them.

America -- through the electoral college -- voted to make Donald J. Trump president, and we are getting what we asked for, good and hard."


QFT

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2016-11-27 07:35 PM | Reply

...and we're about to give him control of the world's most powerful nuclear arsenal.

My money is on the Joint Chiefs going all Pakistan and taking control of the nukes.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-27 07:36 PM | Reply

Here's where the illegal voters claim began:


The drama over 3 million illegal aliens voting started on November 10 when Philips tweeted out that VoteStand's "best estimates suggest more than 2 million illegals voted on Tuesday. Mechanisms must be deployed to stop illegals from voting." Within several days, Phillips claimed that their system had "verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens. We are joining True The Vote to initiate legal action…. We are preparing a lawsuit to be filed in federal court."


Phillips defended against accusations that he was lying by saying, "Our data and methods related to non-citizens voting has been argued before the Supreme Court. Hey haters, this stuff is real." Phillips is apparently referencing a U.S. Supreme Court case where the Public Interest Legal Foundation used "True the Vote's research to demonstrate how current mechanisms were failing to block admitted non-citizens from voter registration." (
truethevote.org)


www.inquisitr.com

Another link on this issue:
www.fairus.org

Personally: no idea how a private, non-govt organization could feasibly have the info needed to ascertain votes by illegal immigrants, let alone "millions."

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-27 07:40 PM | Reply

"True the Vote's research"

There's an oxymoron if there ever was one.

I'd like to see their methodology, such as it pretends to be.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 07:46 PM | Reply

...that "millions of people" voted illegally for Hillary Clinton and otherwise he would have won the popular vote...

Well he could be RIGHT.... remember this ??? ....

pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

I don't know if the world makes it four years with this lunatic in charge of the U.S.

Funny thing is the Democrates are now trying to find a legal way to shut down independent non-traditional news outlets to prevent "fake news" from spreading... web sites like drudge, infowars, hangthebankers, thepowerhour, and yes, even this site, made the list...

The U.S. will be here in 4 years for sure... but you might not be...

Google Fake News Shut down...

#10 | Posted by Pegasus at 2016-11-27 07:46 PM | Reply

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"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted.

He told more than one lie in that gem of a Tweet.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 07:48 PM | Reply

... yes, even this site, made the list...

No, it didn't. Stop spreading false information.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 07:48 PM | Reply

#8 True The Vote, the Tea Party offshoot?

Okay.

#13 | Posted by cbob at 2016-11-27 07:51 PM | Reply

Well he could be RIGHT.... remember this ??? ....

Of course! It's only rigged if it hurts Trump!

You people are certifiably insane.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is mentally ill.

#15 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-27 07:52 PM | Reply

""Our data and methods related to non-citizens voting has been argued before the Supreme Court."

Using that logic, if Elvis and Princess Diana's love child was "argued before the SC", that would mean THAT was true, too.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 07:53 PM | Reply

Trump is a clown. A dangerous one.

A president has to use discretion and operate on facts, not suppositions.

#17 | Posted by cbob at 2016-11-27 07:54 PM | Reply

"A president-elect making this claim without any factual evidence is insane."

Trump is crazy, crazy like a fox. This is how he campaigned, and it how he is going to govern: Throw out crazy sh$t and create false controversies to muddy the waters, to change the subject and to deflect from the real controversies. Drama, drama, drama. And apparently the media and the American people are going to keep on falling for it.

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 07:55 PM | Reply

independent non-traditional news outlets

That you think Drudge or Infowars is "news" is telling.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 07:57 PM | Reply

Gal- this isnt some master stroke, the guy is just ------- nuts, and our institutions cannot handle it.

#20 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-27 07:57 PM | Reply

"A president has to use discretion and operate on facts, not suppositions."

He doesn't care about discretion or facts. He cares about winning the latest news cycle. To expect discretion and honesty from a narcissist pathological liar is itself crazy.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 07:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He later added: "Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!"

I'm betting they're worried about recounts in WI, MI and PA so they're kicking up the sediment to blind the losers who voted for him.

They'll eat it up and be so mad about his false claims of voter fraud they'll immediately discount real instances found in the crucial states listed above.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And apparently the media and the American people are going to keep on falling for it.

When the president-elect makes a claim this reckless and false, the media and people have no choice but to pay attention to it.

This isn't a false controversy. It's a real one, and gravely serious. The next president just claimed an election he won is not legitimate and spread a baseless allegation that throws his sanity into question.

If we let someone this crazy take power, it could be a disaster of biblical proportions. He's 70 years old and never gets a full night's sleep. The mentally unstable behavior we're seeing now is before he's faced with the responsibility and pressure of being president.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Gal- this isnt some master stroke, the guy is just ------- nuts, and our institutions cannot handle it."

Maybe it's not a master stroke, but it is his MO, and it has worked extremely well for him up until this point, so I don't expect him to change. I don't think he is capable of changing. I agree our institutions can't handle a sociopath-in-chief. Is he crazy or evil or both? I don't know. I just know that evil can be very, very cunning.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:03 PM | Reply

"This isn't a false controversy."

The false controversy is his claim that millions voted illegal. He is using it to deflect from the potential real controversies surrounding the votes in WI, MI and PA.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:06 PM | Reply

illegal=illegally

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:06 PM | Reply

Hes not even a good liar, he just lies to people that dont care.

#27 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-27 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He is using it to deflect from the potential real controversies surrounding the votes in WI, MI and PA.

The potential for real controversies in those states is slim. Thus far there are some questions but no hard evidence that would overturn a result. Recounts will happen regardless of how much he deflects.

I don't think he's being calculating with this three million tweet. I just think he's dangerously nuts.

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 08:12 PM | Reply

Recounts will happen regardless of how much he deflects.

Even then it's a hit to his ego.

Any suggestion that he didn't "win" as Trump thinks he should "win" is like catnip for him.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 08:15 PM | Reply

"I don't think he's being calculating with this three million tweet. I just think he's dangerously nuts."

You could be right. It may not be so much calculating at this point as his automatic knee jerk reaction to his being angry that the recounts are even happening. How dare they?

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:18 PM | Reply

"Hes not even a good liar, he just lies to people that dont care."

You mean that don't care that he's lying? Yeah, he just tells them things they want to hear.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:20 PM | Reply

So far his lies aren't as damaging as the Bush Administration lies. (But yeah, it's early...)

#32 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-11-27 08:31 PM | Reply

Do people think Trump knows he's lying? Or do people think he believes he's telling the truth? I think he knows he's lying, but perhaps he is so delusional he thinks he's telling the truth. I think that's what some of you are saying when you say he is crazy and mentally ill.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:31 PM | Reply

Half of the voters in California were probably illegals and ineligible. Dems have been consistently claiming there is no voter fraud, but only to prevent voter ID from being implemented, and so they can perpetuate the fraud and gain voters. We need an in depth forensic analysis done of all voters in Los Angeles area to verify citizenship, passports, social security, birth certificates, or naturalization documentation for starters.

#34 | Posted by Robson at 2016-11-27 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Half of the voters in California were probably illegals and ineligible.

Prove it or shut up. Just because we're allowing baseless insane claims in the White House doesn't mean I'll allow them here.

#35 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-27 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So which is it...thousands voted illegally in WI/PA/M! or millions voted illegally nationwide?

Or do you get to pick and choose depending on the narrative you want to advance?

Yeah, I thought so.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-11-27 08:40 PM | Reply

Do people think Trump knows he's lying? -- #33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

My impression: I don't think he's thoughtful enough to have considered whether he's spewing truth or lies. He just spews.

#37 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-11-27 08:43 PM | Reply

So which is it...thousands voted illegally in WI/PA/M! or millions voted illegally nationwide?

Doesn't have to be one or the other. Recounts will tell the tale.

#38 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-27 08:44 PM | Reply

Prove it or shut up. Just because we're allowing baseless insane claims in the White House doesn't mean I'll allow them here.

Careful. He'll hammer you with the most recent cutting investigative "journalism" from Infowars. LOL

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 08:45 PM | Reply

So which is it...thousands voted illegally in WI/PA/M! or millions voted illegally nationwide?

Or do you get to pick and choose... #36 | Posted by Rightocenter

There's this crazy thing called "evidence."

#40 | Posted by Phoenix at 2016-11-27 08:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Half of the voters in California were probably illegals and ineligible. Dems have been consistently claiming there is no voter fraud, but only to prevent voter ID from being implemented, and so they can perpetuate the fraud and gain voters. We need an in depth forensic analysis done of all voters in Los Angeles area to verify citizenship, passports, social security, birth certificates, or naturalization documentation for starters.

#34 | Posted by Robson at 2016-11-27 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag

You're talking out of your hiney.

#41 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-27 08:46 PM | Reply

So which is it...thousands voted illegally in WI/PA/M! or millions voted illegally nationwide?

Or do you get to pick and choose depending on the narrative you want to advance?

Yeah, I thought so.

The claim isn't that thousands voted illegally in those states (at least by my understanding...).

It's that the vote tallies are inaccurate and, thus far, have shown as much as 1,500 or so votes that are simply phantom votes.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-27 08:47 PM | Reply

#35

Good for you, RCADE. Somewhere this ridiculous misinformation, whether the result of extreme stupidity or intentional falsehood, has to stop. They just throw sh** out and hope they can back it up later.

#43 | Posted by cbob at 2016-11-27 08:52 PM | Reply

"My impression: I don't think he's thoughtful enough to have considered whether he's spewing truth or lies. He just spews."

Sigh. None of the options bode well for this country.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-27 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many times have we heard from the left (when discussing voter IDs) there is no voter fraud? That was the standard narrative from the left until a month ago. Now the narrative and things have changed. A recount is not the answer.

Like I said we need a forensic analysis where every voter in LA needs to have their citizenship verified to determine if there is a problem. If there is an issue, then expand the analysis. I suggested LA because it is a sanctuary city and thus lawless.

#45 | Posted by Robson at 2016-11-27 08:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I still can't believe people voted for this reckless conman

#46 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2016-11-27 09:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Half of the voters in California were probably illegals and ineligible.

Probably??

You want to spit out bull? Go find a Republican leaning website that hates California and loves stupid. You'll fit right in.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-11-27 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"How many times have we heard from the left (when discussing voter IDs) there is no voter fraud? "

In-person voter fraud. Eligibility is determined at registration. You must be registered to vote.

This is ELECTION FRAUD. No amount of voter ID would've affected it.

How is it you don't know the difference, after being on this site all these years?

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

How many times have we heard from the left (when discussing voter IDs) there is no voter fraud? That was the standard narrative from the left until a month ago. Now the narrative and things have changed. A recount is not the answer.

There has been no accusation of "voter fraud" in any of the states subject to recall. You along with all the sycophantic idiots continue to conflate "in person voter impersonation" with any claim of ELECTION FRAUD. The fraud already discovered and corrected for happened on the TABULATION side of the election, it had nothing to do with any living person casting an improper or illegal ballot.

In person voter impersonation is not and never has been a problem in our electoral process because it is physically impossible to coordinate in the numbers necessary to alter electoral results in anything but the smallest contests. Election fraud won't be identified unless someone is tasked with looking for it by checking the results for evidence after the votes have been counted, not before.

Voter ID had absolutely nothing with 1126 votes being tabulated toward Trump's advantage by those tasked with counting the votes. The fact you bring false analogies like an ignorant troll only proves you have no real interest in the integrity of our electoral process from stem to stern, you only care to damage the credibility of the people who actually do by looking for fraud where evidence of it is indisputable, not invented from thin air from baseless allegations.

#49 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-27 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Most of the voter fraud is being committed by the GOP, as is voter suppression and rigging the vote, he is nervous, and afraid of being found out. Trump is already a admitted criminal, so rigging the vote isn't beyond him. He is corrupt.

#50 | Posted by mikebank at 2016-11-27 09:42 PM | Reply

From LA Times..

The goal is to ease barriers to voting, but election-integrity advocates warn that the measure could inadvertently add millions of illegal voters to the rolls given that California allows undocumented aliens to obtain driver's licenses.

Anti-fraud groups True the Vote and the Election Integrity Project of California had urged Mr. Brown, a Democrat, to veto the bill, saying it would lead to "‘state sanctioned' voter fraud" and pointing out that the legislation exempts from penalties ineligible voters who wind up being registered.

The possibility at least exists... I'm for Trump but I too would like to see a valid recount... In fact with all this election gizmo electronic voter machines... I would like to see an automatic recount of EVERY election! [...]

#51 | Posted by Pegasus at 2016-11-27 09:45 PM | Reply

He took a lot of time choosing his candidates," said Annette Givans of her father, John Cenkner.

Cenkner died in Palmdale in 2003. Despite this, records show that he somehow voted from the grave in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2010.

But he's not the only one.

CBS2 compared millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State's office with death records from the Social Security Administration and found hundreds of so-called dead voters.


Whaaaaaa? It couldn't possibly be in the millions, not with the automatic voter registration when getting driver license. And California allows illegal aliens to get driver licenses.

#52 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-11-27 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The California voter registry list definately needs to be independently verified. Doubt Jill Stein will take up that challenge, so disappointed in her.

#53 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2016-11-27 09:57 PM | Reply

Why should he stop lying out his tuckus now? That's how he got elected.
He's truly earned the moniker Liar-in-Chief.

#54 | Posted by e1g1 at 2016-11-27 09:59 PM | Reply

"CBS2 compared millions of voting records from the California Secretary of State's office with death records from the Social Security Administration and found hundreds of so-called dead voters."

Hundreds? That's all?

How much time was it between vote and check? Because based on mortality rates, it takes less than a day and a half to reach 1,000 deaths.

Here's my math:

CA = 605 deaths per year per 100,000 population.
CA population = 38 million
38 million / 100000 = 380
380 * 605 =229,900 deaths/year
229,900 / 366 = 628 deaths/day

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump Falsely Claims Millions Voted Illegally

He's probably right, but they voted for him.

#56 | Posted by bat4255 at 2016-11-27 10:06 PM | Reply

maybe he should launch a massive effort to recount he vote in Nevada, I'm sure that would be welcomed here.

#57 | Posted by daniel_3 at 2016-11-27 10:10 PM | Reply

#55 - Facts, a little math, some common sense and reality destroy "truthiness." Nice.

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-27 10:13 PM | Reply

Hundreds? That's all?

CBS2 probably only spent a few thousand dollars and a few hours to come up with Hundreds... which is a very bad sign...

A government agency with a real budget and Manpower probably will find a whole lot more... possibility millions...

Remember ...

The new legislation exempts penalties from ineligible voters who wind up being registered.

So if your illegal, you might as well register and get an "I voted" Sticker. Nothing will happen to you.

#59 | Posted by Pegasus at 2016-11-27 10:13 PM | Reply

He's making such a fuss. Maybe he knows something will be found.

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-27 10:16 PM | Reply

He's making such a fuss. Maybe he knows something will be found.

If many are slow on the uptake, almost every single accusation of wrongdoing or malfeasance that Donald Trump has directed toward other people is actually true about himself.
It's called projection people and that is why he can honestly claim to be correct almost all the time. He knows that he already does everything he claims that others are doing. It's a no-lose proposition and it inoculates himself from when his own inevitable truths eventually catch up and are connected to him.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2016-11-27 09:56 AM

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-27 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Nice Tony. I agree. It's been Conservative M.O. for a very long time.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-27 10:27 PM | Reply

"CBS2 probably only spent a few thousand dollars and a few hours to come up with Hundreds"

They reported going through millions of records.

Again, about 1000 people die every day and a half in CA. How many would that be between the first day of absentee voting and election day?

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 10:32 PM | Reply

OK you guys can talk behind my back now - Walking Dead is on.. a tv show about what the U.S. would be like with Hillary in charge.... ;^)

People - 4 more years to go - pace yourself...

#65 | Posted by Pegasus at 2016-11-27 10:34 PM | Reply

So if your illegal, you might as well register and get an "I voted" Sticker. Nothing will happen to you.

#59 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

If you change your handle to "Unicorn", you'll then be on to something.

#66 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2016-11-27 10:35 PM | Reply

Pegasus,

It would be the height of hypocrisy to claim any voter fraud should be ignored while screaming about other forms. To my knowledge, the people usually voting for dead people are their relatives often in memory of whatever politics the deceased might have practiced or loved. Maybe it's the opposite, but I've yet to see these usually disparate cases tied to any coordinated conspiracy that can alter the otherwise legal result of an election of any decent scale.

Election fraud as it concerns the actual existence of and accurate counting of legally cast votes is an entirely different subject with different metrics and different aspects needing to be investigated. Actual election fraud is only done to intentionally change the legal results of elections. There simply is no other reason to do it. One individual voting in place of another is simply not the threat to the legitimacy of our electoral process as is corruption in the accurate accounting of and tabulation of votes.

1126 non-existent votes were publicly released as an unofficial result and later confirmed by election officials to have never been cast in the first place. 1126. In one county and in less than a handful of wards, votes were preliminarily counted in favor of only one candidate amongst all candidates both federal, state and local. This is in a state with 5 million voters and a margin of difference amounting to a little over 20,000 votes.

It's hard to get excited about illegal ballots cast in CA, a state where Hillary won by millions of votes when we've already identified an actual election fraud event that swung totals in a county of 100,000 by 7% when the margin of statewide victory is less than .5%.

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-27 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"To my knowledge, the people usually voting for dead people are their relatives often in memory of whatever politics the deceased might have practiced or loved. "

That's true. And why haven't Republicans taken steps to halt this?

Simple: those votes go mostly for Republicans.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 10:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh yeah he is definitely winning the respect of other nations... mmmmmmmhhhmmmm... gonna make America great...

#69 | Posted by Rightistrite at 2016-11-27 11:19 PM | Reply

No quarter spared, no quadrant a given.
An election without mandate, a charter denied.
Thus spake the charge of the left brigade.

"Half a league half a league, Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death Rode the six hundred" (Lord Tennison)

The balls and guile of intrepid Militia sound an alarm
however slurred and unheeded, to swift demise their lackey descended.

A match agreed in terms allowed to fall, disrespected afoul
and marched on the scourge of the left Brigade.

Silent trumpets attest to the scourge of the lost
when mathamatics and clarity reveal the Boss.

#70 | Posted by hobart at 2016-11-28 01:01 AM | Reply

Wow.

Lotsa anger on the DR these days.

So much butt-hurt...sooner or later those sphincters have to callous-up and be numb to the pain. One can only hope.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-28 01:10 AM | Reply

#71 | Posted by JeffJ

True, but what do you have to crow about? The bush family, national review, weakly standard nevertrumpers have just as much egg on their face, like you, who bragged about signing some ridiculous nevertrump pledge.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-11-28 01:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

True, but what do you have to crow about?

My Thanksgiving feast turned out really well!

The bush family,

When the primaries started I was steadfast opposed to 2 of the candidates (it later swelled to 3 when I learned how crazy Ben Carson is) and they were Trump and Jeb. So....

national review, weakly standard nevertrumpers have just as much egg on their face, like you, who bragged about signing some ridiculous nevertrump pledge.

#72 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I did sign "some ridiculous pledge" during the GOP primary. I thought that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster as a candidate. Well, he won. So, I guess my crystal ball has egg all over it, as do I. Fortunately, I was staunchly opposed to Clinton as well, so I lost but I also won (keeping Clinton out of the WH).

I voted Johnson. You said you were voting Stein. That didn't work out very well for either one of us.

Your comparison is apples/oranges. The Hillary-crew is still in the first stage of grief: Denial. Do you see my getting all excited about recounts that will probably never happen, and if they did, will NEVER change the outcome of this election?

Trump won. I accepted it immediately. Best hope is that he raises his game to the level of the office. Time will tell.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-28 01:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a happy day for the GOP.
Not unlike the bash you would have thrown.
The respectful, congradulations, kind words
are missing as expected and sour grapes prevail.
Tensions in the streets are rampant and well funded.
Where is the well meaning "gratz', slap on the shoulder
and respect for a match well fought by a worthy opponent?
Missing!

#74 | Posted by hobart at 2016-11-28 02:00 AM | Reply

"If we let someone this crazy take power, it could be a disaster of biblical proportions."

I share your distress, but if? Who is going to stop him and how? I just don't see that happening. It's a done deal.

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-28 02:24 AM | Reply

Who said stop?

#76 | Posted by hobart at 2016-11-28 02:27 AM | Reply

Orange Adolf sounds nervous. Must be guilty!
LOCK HIM UP!!!!

#77 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2016-11-28 04:02 AM | Reply

I did sign "some ridiculous pledge" during the GOP primary. I thought that Trump would be an unmitigated disaster as a candidate.

Do you see my getting all excited about recounts that will probably never happen, and if they did, will NEVER change the outcome of this election?

Trump won. I accepted it immediately. Best hope is that he raises his game to the level of the office. Time will tell.

#73 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Trump the president-elect (which you accepted immediately) is acting like Trump the presidential-candidate (which you pledged to never accept).

en.wikipedia.org

#78 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2016-11-28 06:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump the president-elect (which you accepted immediately) is acting like Trump the presidential-candidate (which you pledged to never accept).

I accepted the outcome of the election. I was staunchly opposed to Obama in '12 but I accepted the fact that he won the election.

But, when all you have are straw men.....

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-28 08:03 AM | Reply

too much dribble to pull quote

#10 | POSTED BY PEGASUS AT 2016-11-27 07:46 PM | FLAG: FLAILING

errrrmmmmm no... it was not the democrats but the green party's Jill Stein. Hillary's campaign backs it up and if Trumpling and the republicl*wns had any real balls so would they. After all it is only a formality. It is ironic how the clownbrigade talks up his victory as something really special... Trump is not the first man to defeat a woman seeking higher office...dozens of women have run for president and vice president and lost to men by much wider margins in both electoral and popular vote columns... Hey Obama beat Paloonioetunes and her popular Vietnam veteran sidekick ol'what's his name... so what Trumphole did in that regard is no biggie. The fact...and it is a fact... Clinton was the first woman to rise and be a formidible contender is HUGE and historical... so once again Trumphole is carrying water for the real movers and shakers.
Trumphole's fabled business acumen is not a first either... Hoover and Bushhole 2 were both republicl*wn business men put into office because "the country needed to be run more like a business...Heck Hoover even had a en-mass deportation san due process of Mexican's act... the world knows how well those two laissez-faire experiment's went.

This looks like yet another public thin skinned hissy fit thrown by some whitey because he is shown to be less than the legend he is in his own mind. Of course he has the support of the same group that blames minorities for for their own poverty while espousing rugged individualism.
Trumphole is more disliked than Hillary... and for sure more disliked than Bushhole.

Bottonm line... he has a red ass because... He lost the popular vote to a woman... that has never happened before in US history!!! so of course it had to be rigged....ppppfffftttt!!!

Not a lot to brag about... unless he suddenly pivots and starts acting presidential... the prognosis isn't good. He is going to have to do something monumentally good to redeem himself and justify holding that office.

Good luck with that wall thingie.

#80 | Posted by Rightistrite at 2016-11-28 09:14 AM | Reply

If Trump really wants to make America great again, maybe he could start by not telling the world, without evidence as far as anyone can tell, that it's election system is corrupt and totally incompetent. Or maybe not tell the world that it's constitution is up for grabs when what it says does not suit him. Or that it's judicial system is staffed by corrupt judges, prone to issuing racially bias judgements. Or not encouraging foreign powers to participate in the election process.

Of course, it could be a cunning plan. If he just stops running down his own country for 4 years, maybe it will seem great again. What are the odds?

#81 | Posted by Foreigner at 2016-11-28 10:02 AM | Reply

Neither. Nobody is claiming people voted illegally. They are claiming the votes were COUNTED ILLEGALLY. There is evidence some votes WERE NOT COUNTED and that others WERE COUNTED FOR THE WRONG CANDIDATE. There is no evidence of ANY voter fraud. There is plenty of evidence that there was ELECTION FRAUD

#82 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-11-28 10:05 AM | Reply

Why convolute this changes the whole anchilate

#83 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-11-28 10:13 AM | Reply

I share your distress, but if? Who is going to stop him and how?

I don't know. Americans were once faced with the daunting task of taking back Europe from Hitler. If they could do that, maybe there's a chance we can save our presidency and government institutions from one crackpot.

#84 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-28 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why convolute this changes the whole anchilate

Stay in school kids.

#85 | Posted by 726 at 2016-11-28 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

-Stay in school kids.

Why the bigotry against ESL speakers?

#86 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-11-28 01:21 PM | Reply

truethevote.org

HOUSTON, TX. – November 27, 2016: True the Vote (TTV), the nation's leading voters' rights and election integrity organization, today released a statement with respect to President-Elect Donald Trump's claim that "millions" of individuals illegally voted in the 2016 Election.

"True the Vote absolutely supports President-elect Trump's recent comment about the impact of illegal voting, as reflected in the national popular vote. (see the link for more)

Talking about this does solve it. We need to actually quantify the problem by forensic analysis of every voter from the roles in a few suspected locations and verify their citizenship status. The outcome to proceed further with regulations and recounts should be based upon these initial results. The left says we have no voter fraud, but only election fraud, when the truth is we have the capability for both and it needs ended.

#87 | Posted by Robson at 2016-11-28 01:35 PM | Reply

"...the nation's leading voters' rights and election integrity organization."

If they do say so themselves....

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-28 01:43 PM | Reply

"we have the capability for both and it needs ended."

I'll believe Rs are interested in that when they address absentee ballots.

Until then, it's partisanship, under whatever guise.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-28 01:46 PM | Reply

If half of the voters in California were illegal why are you unable to prove even ONE voted illegally?

#90 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-11-28 02:00 PM | Reply

A president has to use discretion and operate on facts, not suppositions.

#17 | POSTED BY CBOB

No, he doesn't. And that's what American forget and why we are screwed.

#91 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-28 04:55 PM | Reply

True the Vote is a scam. It's just some rando right wingers engaging in vote suppression schemes.

They have never offered evidence to support any claim of millions of undocumented immigrants voting, or even thousands or hundreds.

Whenever they're asked to proof their outlandish claims, they refuse. Anyone who believes them or spreads their garbage is a sucker.

#92 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-28 04:57 PM | Reply

#90: Sanctuary cities?

#93 | Posted by Petrous at 2016-11-28 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If voter fraud actually occurs it is a tiny number of people doing it, however, the actions by Republicans to combat voter fraud disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of qualified voters every year. Why, quite simple, it changes the outcomes of elections.

#94 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-28 06:16 PM | Reply

They have never offered evidence to support any claim of millions of undocumented immigrants voting, or even thousands or hundreds.

Though others have. electionlawblog.org

#95 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-28 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If voter fraud actually occurs it is a tiny number of people doing it ...

True but it only take one to uphold the constitutionality of the law.

... the actions by Republicans to combat voter fraud disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of qualified voters every year.

Provide empirical evidence to support that SJW talking point. It better not be lack of ID by various demographics because that doesn't show they would vote if they had one.

#96 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-28 10:39 PM | Reply

"Provide empirical evidence to support that SJW talking point."

Take a macrostatistic class, for God's sake. And stop pretending because more voters might turn out, you haven't suppressed other voters. Suppressing the overall vote, and suppressing individual voters are two different things. Failing in the overall numbers does not in any way mean otherwise eligible voters haven't been suppressed.

In fact, the folks who craft those heinous suppression laws know exactly what their doing, and can (and do) estimate how many voters will be affected.

The most insulting concept of all, of course, is the very notion an additional barrier to voting won't be an additional barrier to voting.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-28 11:24 PM | Reply

-Take a macrostatistic class, for God's sake.

lol.

#98 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-11-28 11:32 PM | Reply

"It better not be lack of ID by various demographics because that doesn't show they would vote if they had one."

Mega macro fail.

Of course more people will vote if there are less barriers. It only takes one, remember?

#99 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-28 11:34 PM | Reply

#97, 99

Then show me the empirical evidence of disenfranchisement if it is so simple. I don't give a --- about your musings on macrostatistics because they fall along the lines of "common sense," which often is neither common nor sense.

#100 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-28 11:46 PM | Reply

"Then show me the empirical evidence of disenfranchisement if it is so simple"

You yourself said it only takes one.

"I don't give a --- about your musings on macrostatistics because they fall along the lines of "common sense,"

That makes us even. I don't care if you're so stupid you can't count to one.

Again, this all rests on a central lie: an additional barrier to voting won't be an additional barrier to voting. It's insulting to anyone with at least a room temperature IQ.

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-28 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You yourself said it only takes one.

Typical, misconstrue the comment. It only takes one case of voter fraud to uphold the constitutionality of voter ID. If you understood the case from which that holding comes from you would also know it takes much more to hold the laws unconstitutional.

... this all rests on a central lie ...

Yes, the central lie that state legislatures should not regulate the time, place and manner of elections. It's insulting to anyone with a room temperature understanding of the constitution.

#102 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-29 12:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" the central lie that state legislatures should not regulate the time, place and manner of elections."

Oh, they certainly can, and should.

That doesn't make willful voter suppression any less heinous. Nor does it make the voter-ID-to-prevent-fraud myth valid. If history truly arcs toward justice, these suppression schemes will eventually been seen for exactly what they are: Machiavellian power grabs masquerading as patriotism.

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-29 12:28 AM | Reply

Oh, they certainly can, and should.

Cool, common ground. So, we agree legislatures can and should, or not, enact voter ID laws but disagree as to the scope and effect of the laws?

That doesn't make willful voter suppression ...

Willful is very difficult to prove. I don't think any court has so held, although the Fourth got close as opposed to the Fifth and Seventh that didn't.

... voter-ID-to-prevent-fraud myth valid ...

What is the "myth?" If it only take one and the SC found that one and upheld the constitutionality of the law then what is the myth? Also, voter fraud prevention is but one of four reasons the law was upheld.

Machiavellian power grabs ...

Yep, partisan politics. That was found not to be a reason to hold the law unconstitutional.

#104 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-29 01:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Willful is very difficult to prove."

Oh, please. You'd have to be willfully ignorant not to know it's the F*****G PURPOSE.

"what is the myth?"

That it's --
a) due to lack of voter ID,
b) rampant, and
c) altering results.

The few cases have mostly turned out to be 60 yr old white guys who voted absentee, and then in person. No large scale prosecution of in-person voter fraud ever. Hell, more Trump votes disappeared in Wisconsin this week than all the voter-fraud prosecutions in America since its inception.

"Yep, partisan politics. That was found not to be a reason to hold the law unconstitutional."

Doesn't change the heinous nature of willful vote suppression. Not. One. Iota.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-29 01:46 AM | Reply

Oh, please.

Yeah, that's me. I'm willfully ignorant because I demand you prove that which the SC rejects.

That it's --

What does that list have to do with anything?

The few cases have mostly turned out to be ...

Something you seem to know little, if anything, about.

Doesn't change ...

Of course it doesn't change. Partisan politics and all. Willful, nah, just Machiavelli getting his thing on.

Look in the mirror.

#106 | Posted by et_al at 2016-11-29 02:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yeah, that's me. I'm willfully ignorant because I demand you prove that which the SC rejects."

The SC rejected human dignity in the past, and was wrong then, too. Dred and Plessy come to mind.

"(the cases) you seem to know little, if anything, about."

Feel free to educate me on the horrific results of in-person voter fraud.

"Look in the mirror."

I see the guy who knows a vote suppression scheme regardless how it dresses up, or who feigns ignorance at its true purpose.

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-29 02:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Glad this state requires voter ID. How can we exclude the possibility of many illegals voting in those states which require no ID?

#108 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-11-29 05:00 PM | Reply

Saying ""millions of people" voted illegally for Hillary Clinton " is crazy.
But saying "all Trump voters are racist." is OK.

#109 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-11-29 06:44 PM | Reply

#109 - Glad to know that, but I'd hardly go so far as to say "all" Trump voters are racist. That's way over the top for me.

#110 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-29 09:30 PM | Reply

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