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Saturday, November 26, 2016

Cuba's former president Fidel Castro, one of the world's longest-serving and most iconic leaders, has died. He was 90. His younger brother and successor as president Raul Castro announced the news on state television. Castro toppled the government in 1959, introducing a Communist revolution. He defied the U.S. for decades, surviving many assassination plots. His supporters said he had given Cuba back to the people. Critics saw him as a dictator.

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*Posted here 7 minutes after Breaking across wires, and before this news made it onto Drudge Report!*

Here's hoping that Fidel's passing is the catalyst for a paradigm shift in Cuban domestic politics toward increased free speech, free commerce, and free elections.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-26 12:43 AM | Reply

so will Miami expats stop their hate now?

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-11-26 01:03 AM | Reply

somehow i doubt it. too entrenched in Republican greed.

#3 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-11-26 01:04 AM | Reply

RIP Sir

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-26 01:04 AM | Reply

I am so sorry....

You Sir were the last of the greats. A true survivor of a nation of survivors.

RIP.

#5 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2016-11-26 01:58 AM | Reply

No dancing bananas?

#6 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2016-11-26 08:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#1 | Posted by HanoverFist
Two bad loses in a month for the Alt-Left!

#7 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-11-26 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone that respects Castro in any way obviously knows nothing about him, his revolution, or the country of Cuba.

#8 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 09:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6

Yeah... No.

Unless you have actually been to Latin America, and outside the major cities, in the campo, you cannot speak for what anyone should or should not know about Revolution or indigenous peoples.

Yes Cuba maybe stuck in the 1950's and have some of the lowest wages in the Western Hemisphere, but they also have more doctors per capita than the US. More of a college educated class than the US. Highest literacy rate in the Western Hemisphere.

#10 | Posted by aescal at 2016-11-26 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Uh.... Actually....i have been to Cuba. And yes, I know what I am talking about. Nothing says "it's awesome here" quite like boatloads of people risking downingbtrying leave on dangerous and leaky rafts.

#11 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 10:19 AM | Reply

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ABH, I don't think you know all the facts about what happened with Cuba. Not that I think Castro was a great guy, but he was pushed into more problems by the US than he created.

#12 | Posted by asshat at 2016-11-26 10:21 AM | Reply

Try me.

He was a terrible human being as was his buddy Che. Absolute vermin of the worst sort.

Yes, USA made a few mountains out of mole hills, but that doesn't mean what he did was any less pure evil.

#13 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"C"

Most simplistic, stupid comment ever made on this site. You have to consider the dictator who preceded him to evaluate what he did. I could easily say, "Anyone that respects Batista in any way obviously knows nothing about him, his revolution, or the country of Cuba."

#14 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 10:24 AM | Reply

"Yes, USA made a few mountains out of mole hills, but that doesn't mean what he did was any less pure evil."

How many million people died in east Asia because of our interference into civil wars? Now show me how Castro could compare to our death toll?

#15 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 10:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Nothing says "it's awesome here" quite like boatloads of people risking downingbtrying leave on dangerous and leaky rafts."

What made them so poor? Um.....American embargo. Why do people from many Central and South American countries do the exact same thing? CAstro wasn't running their countries so why did they want to come here too?

#16 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 10:30 AM | Reply

Curse of Kaepernick! Quarterback coincidentally defends wearing Castro t-shirt HOURS before Cuban dictator's death is announced - and Twitter is quick to bask in his ill-timed comments

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-26 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your ignorance of history is duly noted.

Tens of thousands of murders of political opponents following the communist take over of the country, followed by years of despotism, cronyism, Oppression of the citizens....

I can't believe their are actually people in the world that celebrate that dictator. The world is actually a better place without him.... As evidenced by the wide spread celebration of actual Cubans you are seeing right now.

Batista was awful..... But that doesn't mean Castrob wasn't. They both can be, and were.

#18 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 10:41 AM | Reply

How many million people died in east Asia because of our interference into civil wars? Now show me how Castro could compare to our death toll?
#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

Castro and Asia ..... as a percentage of the population, there is no comparison.

"On May 27, [1966,] 166 Cubans -- civilians and members of the military -- were executed and submitted to medical procedures of blood extraction of an average of seven pints per person. This blood is sold to Communist Vietnam at a rate of $50 per pint with the dual purpose of obtaining hard currency and contributing to the Vietcong Communist aggression.

"A pint of blood is equivalent to half a liter. Extracting this amount of blood from a person sentenced to death produces cerebral anemia and a state of unconsciousness and paralysis. Once the blood is extracted, the person is taken by two militiamen on a stretcher to the location where the execution takes place."

-- InterAmerican Human Rights Commission, April 7, 1967

Castro/Cuba represents the communist ideal, and communists have killed in the 20-30 million range.

Castro practiced oppressive techniques in controlling people. Even today regular Cubans can't have a motor on a boat, it is a government run by elites for elites, much like the Soviets of old. They are poor, but they can read, but they can't read anything they want, so what good is that statistic anyway.

I say good riddance to man and hopefully the end of an oppressive ideology, but you want to defend him and his atrocious behavior, much like the know nothing Kapaernick.

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-26 10:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm looking forward to a Cuba that Americans can visit freely, and vice versa.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-26 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20....i bet there are people lined up right now with bolt cutters trying to make a whole in the GTMO fence big enough to start trading with the members of the military assigned there.

#21 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 10:59 AM | Reply

What made them so poor? Um.....American embargo.

No, despite your ethnocentrism, the EU, Canada even Israel trade with Cuba.

Cubans are poor because everyone whether you are a doctor or a maid get paid the same wage, incentive to improve yourself has no ROI. It proves so many points of critics of communism, but you choose to blame an "American Embargo".

I am taking a fly fishing journey there next year, its part of an ecological study. From my fishing guide, my understanding is the government owns everything, we fish off an Italian boat which "buys/kickbacks" rights from local magistrates. If we go out of bounds we can be imprisoned, which as foreigners is used for extortion.

Its No joke, its real down there....

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-26 10:59 AM | Reply

Flags will probably be flown at half-mast on SJW-controlled campuses.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-11-26 11:04 AM | Reply

Can I just have a cigar now, please?

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2016-11-26 11:04 AM | Reply

Can't wait to watch the power vacuum turn into a Latin game of thrones.

#25 | Posted by Tor at 2016-11-26 11:04 AM | Reply

" If we go out of bounds we can be imprisoned, which as foreigners is used for extortion."

If you know that going in then you have no right to expect us to be extorted. Your fishing trip is not important to the rest of us.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 11:08 AM | Reply

The US embargo did push them deeper into communism because the USSR and China began to fill the void the US left.

#27 | Posted by asshat at 2016-11-26 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Castro and Asia ..... as a percentage of the population, there is no comparison."

You are, of course, completely full of crap. Our armed forces directly killed millions, and our accomplices, the S. Vietnamese killed even more millions. Then after we left millions more died at the hands of our enemies who wanted to punish those who had been complicit with us. Cuba has no possible way to compete with the death and destruction we reined down on them with 500,000 troops, B-52s, etc. Napalm anyone?

#28 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obviously, Danni, the tens of thousands of citizens Castro and his government executed aren't important either... Because hey, it's not millions like in Asia.

#29 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like you said, tens of thousands isn't millions. IMHO, millions is worse. But hey, that's just me.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 11:14 AM | Reply

Castro is awesome because he didn't kill millions. Strong work, Danni.

You do realize it's possible to feel outrage at both the mistakes our country has made AND the horror of the Castro regime? You don't have to choose.

#31 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 11:15 AM | Reply

North America's Franco continues to cause chaos I see.

#32 | Posted by Tor at 2016-11-26 11:22 AM | Reply

Politics aside, I wonder who's gonna buy up all those thousands of 50's vintage American automobiles?

#33 | Posted by shane at 2016-11-26 11:33 AM | Reply

I have a friend that came to the US with some of his family when he was 10. We have a lawyer here that came from Cuba. He often speaks to local groups extolling the virtues of America.
Both men were not fans of Castro.
Now, just for fun, will Trump try to put a casino and golf resort there?

#34 | Posted by Whizzo at 2016-11-26 11:53 AM | Reply

"You should always say something good about the dead...it's good he's dead."

Mom's Mabley

#35 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2016-11-26 12:01 PM | Reply

"Both men were not fans of Castro."

But, were they fans of Batista? Many Cubans were the beneficiaries of his dictatorship who took as much of their wealth as possible and came to America. Those folks weren't all saints. Freinds of mine ran one of those lunch trucks that travels around to work sites, those sweet Cubans put him out of business through treats and actual acts of violence. I don't hate Cubans but I also don't pretend that all of them who came here were good people.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 12:03 PM | Reply

Deflect away, Danni. Castro was an evil dictator and the world is better off without him in it. But let's discuss a different dictator just because. Maybe. Just maybe, it will draw away attention from your hero.

#37 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Castro was the last great Cuadillo...Or next to last depending on your opinion of Kim Jong Un. Whether you like him or not, you can't honestly deny that it was him and his cronies that were holding Cuba back. Global communism now has the political equivalent of stage four cancer. It will be dead soon. And Cuba has everything it needs to become immensely prosperous.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2016-11-26 12:17 PM | Reply

"What made them so poor? Um.....American embargo."

Not trading with them made them poor? How does that work?

You almost seem to be implying that for socialism to succeed, there must be a capitalist to trade with.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2016-11-26 12:19 PM | Reply

"Why do people from many Central and South American countries do the exact same thing? CAstro wasn't running their countries so why did they want to come here too?"

People from south of the US border don't tend to try and get here by jumping on an inner tube and hoping the current flows North. In addition, if Cuba was such a desirable destination, wouldn't the Hatians have stopped there? It's a lot closer. I can only conclude that they weren't fans of slavery, even if it came with free medical care.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2016-11-26 12:21 PM | Reply

I don't hate Cubans but I also don't pretend that all of them who came here were good people.

#36 | POSTED BY DANNI

They were good simply because they were not pinko Commies like you, Danni. Lol

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-11-26 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I hope this means it's over for the Cuban people.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-11-26 12:25 PM | Reply

" In addition, if Cuba was such a desirable destination, wouldn't the Hatians have stopped there?"

Thousands of Haitians did exactly that. Haitian Creole is the second most spoken language on the island.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I can only conclude that they weren't fans of slavery, even if it came with free medical care."

You should have figured that out by the fact that slavery was eradicated in Haiti long before it was here in the U.S. That's why the U.S. put an embargo on Haiti that kept that nation poor and isolated for 100 years.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 12:34 PM | Reply

BTW, what is the largest Cuban export? Doctors. I would never say Castro was good but the things he did were not all bad either, I just refuse to be sucked into simplistic nonsense that has to pigeon hole leaders as all good or all bad.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-26 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

just the sort of reaction I expected and I was determined to only waste the time it took to read this nonsense...

but then reading a letter from the Chapa Family, thus making this one is necessary...

EXPERTS sitting in their nice, comfortable homes able to speak their mind here on an open forum lecturing us on the history of this dictator and Cuba....but who, I"M QUITE CERTAIN, know much more than the Chapa family does...( sarcasm ) .

irony...if that's the right word..

if this were in Cuba, those making anti castro remarks could be turned in by the pro-castro/ anti American posters..

and arrested....

#46 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 12:46 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY HANOVERFIST
"No dancing bananas?"

Plantains, in this case.

#47 | Posted by TheTom at 2016-11-26 12:47 PM | Reply

So now I am waiting for you, Danni l, to provide your list of Trumps good qualities. You know, because you don't pigeon hole leaders as "good or bad."

#48 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 12:49 PM | Reply

#36 | DANNI

I really can't tell you about Batista's rule. Ruben, he's the one that left at 10 in 1961. Not all of his family came at the same time and some are still there today. All of his knowledge is from a child's perspective and family anecdotes. They have had some contact with the relatives that remain through the years. When Obama went to Cuba we asked him if he would go back. His look and his ,'NO' response said much. Keep in mind that he has large framed pictures of Cuban beaches and scenery on the walls of his home. He refers to Cuba as a 'beautiful place'.
The lawyer is not known to me personally. I have attended some of his talks. He is a big supporter of civil rights and hopes that someday Cuba and the US could have better relations. His family left when he was 12. Some of his family members supported the revolution and stayed on the island. So Castro's death could help his cause.

#49 | Posted by Whizzo at 2016-11-26 12:49 PM | Reply

Jeffrey Dahmer? Why did he go to jail? His death toll didn't reach millions, so he can't be an evil person.

- Danni logic

#50 | Posted by ABH at 2016-11-26 12:51 PM | Reply

post 49....thank you for the sane commentary. That's a similar response to ones I've read most of the day. Your post is a well written example to read and move on to other things. thank you.

Amerika Prvi

Carpe Deim

#51 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 01:10 PM | Reply

drat...always pulled back

I don't know if it's here already...but here's the official response from the current potus..

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and here is the response from the potus elect

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#52 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 01:18 PM | Reply

yes I know...I'm getting the potus elect's...

last paragraph of the current potus is a spit in the face and worse of every human being abused by both castros and their hit man che...

but what would you expect from this person anyway..

#53 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 01:21 PM | Reply

Castro was a horrifying enigma born out of US interference when interference was so popular a past-time here. Go Ike!!!

Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Iran

On the one hand, he fought against apartheid in South Africa while Reagoonitoonze and the US supported it.

After it was no longer a Soviet state ... and cut off from the financial support of the USSR Castro's own people starved... living off cabbage and what few things they could grow on the island,,,and little else... while his own sons went to private schools outside the country learning useful things for Cuba... like how to play golf... an elitist game expressly forbidden in Cuba.

All the kids salute..."We are Pioneers for Communism!!!"

His legend is fickle... but frankly, I am glad he is finally dead... so now perhaps the chokehold of that insidious legend will be buried or cremated with him.

I'll take our crazy over his crazy any day.

Che Gueverra was another fratboy sociopath turned into a legend based in fantasy,,, sort of like what GWBushole was striving for... yeah... let's hear it for winning wars on foreign soil.
DTrumphole is another one...

#54 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2016-11-26 01:22 PM | Reply

"Fidel Castro's legacy is one of firing squads, theft, unimaginable suffering, poverty and the denial of fundamental human rights," the statement said.

"While Cuba remains a totalitarian island, it is my hope that today marks a move away from the horrors endured for too long, and toward a future in which the wonderful Cuban people finally live in the freedom they so richly deserve."

DJT

#55 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 01:25 PM | Reply

Che Gueverra was another fratboy sociopath turned into a legend based in fantasy,,, sort of like what GWBushole was striving for... yeah... let's hear it for winning wars on foreign soil.
DTrumphole is another one...

#54 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2016

I'm glad I returned for just a moment. Your inane, simpleminded puerile response was well worth the visit...

carry on

#56 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-26 01:27 PM | Reply

Obama and the rest of the Democrat leadership are said to be inconsolable.

#57 | Posted by visitor_ at 2016-11-26 01:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Obama and the rest of the Democrat leadership are said to be inconsolable.

#57 | POSTED BY VISITOR

You got a link for that, chucklehead?

#58 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2016-11-26 02:03 PM | Reply

"You got a link for that, chucklehead?"

He does, but you won't like the smell, based on where he pulled it from.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

JFK: You idiots can't even pull off a simple assassination!

CIA: Yes we can.

JFK: Prove it!

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-11-26 02:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It would be funny that someone is vehemently defending Fidel Castro if she wasn't serious.

Cuban doctors are not very good. And people, regardless of their job, should not be considered and treated as a commodity to exchange for other commodities.

Anyway, the world is better with him gone. Hopefully, things will start moving more quickly in the right direction for Cubans.

#61 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Cuban doctors are not very good."

WTH are you talking about? www.huffingtonpost.com

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Cuban doctors are not very good."

WTH are you talking about? www.huffingtonpost.com

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTH are you talking about? Your link talks mostly about the number of people who have access to doctors. And compares the Cuban healthcare system as a whole positively to third world healthcare systems. The article literally says nothing about the individual quality of Cuban doctors, just so you know.

Giving everyone access to any doctor is better than not giving them access to a doctor at all, as the HuffPo article proves. But on an individual basis, their doctors do not have the training that their counterparts in the first world do. They are also behind in technology and lack access to medicine.

#63 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 02:35 PM | Reply

Stop pretending you get good measurable results from crappy doctors. It's not possible.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:38 PM | Reply

"compares the Cuban healthcare system as a whole positively to third world healthcare systems."

Because the Cuban system rivals some first-world systems. It's WHO rank is two notches behind America.

www.photius.com

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Stop pretending you get good measurable results from crappy doctors. It's not possible.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can get measurable results from lesser trained medical professionals. What you're saying defies common sense and any adult would know you're wrong from personal experience.

Having access to someone who knows the basics is better than nothing. The Cuban system is based on preventative medicine. I'm not saying it isn't smartly thought out. Cheap doctors who focus on preventative measures has produce great results. But if you have a serious illness, you don't want to see a Cuban doctor who makes thirty bucks a month.

#66 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 02:51 PM | Reply

Because the Cuban system rivals some first-world systems. It's WHO rank is two notches behind America.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I didn't say they don't have a good system. Its a well thought out system that gets the best results on a low budget. On an individual basis, their doctors are not that great though.

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 02:55 PM | Reply

So what you're saying is, unless it's life-threatening, the Cuban system is more efficient and provides better value than the American system. I'll agree with you there.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"On an individual basis, their doctors are not that great though."

Hell, you could say that about a lot of US doctors.

I've got a few on that list, myself. You?

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:56 PM | Reply

So what you're saying is, unless it's life-threatening, the Cuban system is more efficient and provides better value than the American system. I'll agree with you there.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Benefit delivered vs. money spent? Yes, more efficient than ours by alot.

Also, yes I have been to bad doctors in the US. I once visited a doctor who misdiagnosed me when I had Lyme Disease (not uncommon to misdiagnose especially back then), replied "I doubt that" when told that he had made a mistake and who then declined an offer to have the blood test forwarded. He was a willfully incompetent ignoramus.

#70 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 03:10 PM | Reply

Mine was an orthopedic surgeon who did a fine job reconstructing my knee, but then showed up at every morning appointment after that with bloodshot eyes and reeking of vodka.

In addition, the worst bedside manner ever...even worse than my brother, Doctor "Everybody Dies From Something".

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:16 PM | Reply

my brother, Doctor "Everybody Dies From Something".

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL. Maybe I should refer my uncle to him. Some years ago when he was in his late-50's, a doctor told him "If you stop drinking and smoking now, you can probably live to be 70 or even older. If you don't stop, I'd say you make it to around 65....".

His response was "So you're saying I'm going to live to be 65! That's great! I thought 60 would be a miracle for me...."

#72 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 04:12 PM | Reply

"LOL. Maybe I should refer my uncle to him."

Too late.

He retired at 49.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 04:14 PM | Reply

For 53 years exiles from Miami and US officials have tried to assassinate Fidel Castro 638 times, overthrow his revolutionary government, and blamed him for numerous sins.

The exiles and government officials who upbraid him have yet to thank Fidel for providing them with long-term employment. Given their levels of incompetence in carrying out bloody but unsuccessful terrorist acts, writing of inane and inaccurate reports and uttering of supercilious predictions about Cuba's reality and its future, they appear unfit for other work, excfept maybe TSA screeners.( Nelson Valdez & Saul Landau)

#74 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-26 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Batista was hardly a hero. But then Cuba moved from a right-wing dictator to a left-wing dictator. Totalitarianism of a different flavor.

I will say this about the Cuban healthcare system: Despite a blockade that made it hard to acquire cutting-edge technology, they made great strides in research, including a vaccine for cancer. www.statnews.com

Al Jazeera has a decent profile of Castro's "mixed legacy:" www.aljazeera.com

#75 | Posted by cbob at 2016-11-26 05:34 PM | Reply

Im sure the Clinton supporters were crying about this they teach in school that his main killer en.wikipedia.org was a hero the democrats wear shirts with his image. This is who Obama was making friends not to help them be free because he supports the type of Gov they have.

Perhaps President Trump will be the president that ends socialism in Cuba.

#76 | Posted by tmaster at 2016-11-26 07:14 PM | Reply

Castro spent his life fighting capitalism. He died on Black Friday. The cosmic comedy Karma of that made me smile.

#77 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2016-11-26 08:21 PM | Reply

Black Friday?

www.youtube.com

#78 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-26 08:53 PM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

He suggested Nuking the US, I suppose that was great too .....
www.nytimes.com

#75 | POSTED BY CBOB
Its not mixed..... he was a tyrant. People live in poverty, people had their blood taken from them and then executed for money.

#79 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-26 11:44 PM | Reply

So what you're saying is, unless it's life-threatening, the Cuban system is more efficient and provides better value than the American system. I'll agree with you there.
#68 | Posted by Danforth

If you wanna live in poverty ... I suppose it true, but I bet you don't live anywhere near the average Cuban.

#80 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-26 11:46 PM | Reply

Who's talking about living in Cuba?

I'm talking about learning from other systems on how to deliver value in addition to the quality.

#81 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 12:01 AM | Reply

Danforth,

You are a closet Fidel-fan and a necrophiliac. Your presence at his funeral should be an embargo, or at least a really expensive tariff. :-)

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-27 01:24 AM | Reply

I don't care about his life, history, politics, etc., but I'm still glad that he's dead.

#83 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-27 01:54 AM | Reply

I don't care about his life, history, politics, etc., but I'm still glad that he's dead.

#83 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

Channeling your inner-Chairborne...it works for you.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-27 02:07 AM | Reply

I'll have to work in something about his ethnicity if I'm going to go full Chairborne.

#85 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-27 02:36 AM | Reply

Canada's PM published a glowing spinjob of an eulogy for Fidel Castro, so Twitter has been inspired to revise the eulogies of other infamous individuals:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
#trudeaueulogies "More than an outstanding marksman, Lee Harvey Oswald was an early advocate for normalization of US-Cuba relations."

"While controversial, Darth Vader achieved great heights in space construction and played a formative role in his son's life"

"I am very sorry to see the passing of Jeffrey Dahmer he did so much to promote the protein diet"

"Osama bin Laden will long be remembered as the visionary urban planner who remodeled lower Manhattan.…"

#86 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-27 09:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

frank luntz tweet says it all...

"If you praise Castro, don't expect anyone to take your criticism of Donald Trump seriously>"

mic drop............game over... !

#87 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-11-27 12:51 PM | Reply

As was reading the headlines the other night and I thought, who is going to defend Castro on the DR...I came up with Danni, Danforth, Nutcase and 726.

Still waiting on the last, but glad to see the the Usual Suspects are still spewing clouds of inanity.

#88 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-11-27 07:22 PM | Reply

#trudeaueulogies:

"While renowned for his horsemanship, Gengis Khan did more to spread diversity than any of his contemporaries."

"Known for his prowess with the violin, Nero also was a pioneer in central heating."

#89 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-11-27 07:27 PM | Reply

As was reading the headlines the other night and I thought, who is going to defend Castro on the DR...I came up with Danni, Danforth, Nutcase and 726.

Predicting the past won't win many awards.

#90 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-11-27 07:59 PM | Reply

"Still waiting on the last"

And the second, unless you've got a post. Everything from me on this thread has been about the medical results and corresponding prices. Nothing about Fidel.

BTW, JeffJ's post #82 was a joke.

Much like your claim.

#91 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 08:05 PM | Reply

#91

Love how the "Econ Professor" is praising the Cuban medical model, but not Castro. Explain this, Professor:

Fidel Castro, the Communist Dictator of Cuba, has died at the age of 90. There have been those, over the decades, who have held him up as some paragon of a new world order, one in which people will not be subservient to either America nor capitalism. The truth is that he visited an economic disaster upon the island nation of Cuba. No, it was not the US, it was not any blockade or embargo, not anything external to Cuba that caused this, it was quite simply the idiocy of the economic policy followed, that socialism, which led to there being near no economic growth at all over the 55 years or so of his rule. What little that did occur happening when the strictest of his rules were relaxed.

It is polite, human and common to with hold criticism of the dead in the immediate aftermath of their demise. But leaving 11 million people grossly poorer than they ought to be in the name of a bankrupt ideology is not the stuff of which hagiographic obituaries are made.

But hey, their literacy and access to medicine is awesome!

Fidel Castro's Economic Disaster In Cuba

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-11-27 08:38 PM | Reply

Why do you need to pretend their medical successes should be denigrated? I'd say under those circumstances, to come in two notches below the US, for a wildly lower cost, is to be commended.

If you somehow have to transmogrify that into some statement about Castro, that's you, not me.

That said, there is one place we agree: Like you, I have no doubt Cuba could do better under a better system.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-27 08:43 PM | Reply

They setup a system, so we setup a system that attracts their top talent by offering them a much nicer place to live. Economically, it's a really cheap way to go about getting quality doctors in our system.

#94 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-28 10:29 AM | Reply

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