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Friday, November 25, 2016

The flood of "fake news" this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation. Russia's increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery -- including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human "trolls," and networks of websites and social-media accounts -- echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

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This propaganda machinery also helped push the phony story that an anti-Trump protester was paid thousands of dollars to participate in demonstrations, an allegation initially made by a self-described satirist and later repeated publicly by the Trump campaign. Researchers from both groups traced a variety of other false stories -- fake reports of a coup launched at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey and stories about how the United States was going to conduct a military attack and blame it on Russia -- to Russian propaganda efforts. ...

The final weeks of the campaign featured a heavy dose of stories about supposed election irregularities, allegations of vote-rigging and the potential for Election Day violence should Clinton win, researchers said.

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BS in the most exaggerated sense.

#1 | Posted by coyote at 2016-11-25 10:41 AM | Reply

And this crap "news" was repeated here on the DR over and over again by righties.
But don't expect people with oversized amygdala to change.
Or to be embarrassed.

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-25 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nothing to be concerned about here. Just a foreign power manipulating our elections and our media to get what it wants. All hail Mother Russia!

#3 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think I'm going to invest a lot of money in tin foil, and origami lessons. Any one want to buy a hat?

#4 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2016-11-25 11:00 AM | Reply

#4 - Are you paid well, Comrade?

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-25 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin is very good at manipulating Russians because they are largely poorly educated and Trump told us how much he loves the poorly educated. Now we know why.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-25 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3

This is complete confirmation that many Americans only care about which politician wins election, not about what's in the best interests of America as a whole.

No one has ever said that one must repudiate Trump in order to be concerned with the Russian propaganda effort to delegitimize American government. The fact that so many of you are completely unable to separate the two distinctly different points only proves that for many the ends justify the means regardless how those ends are achieved.

If you think beyond the Republican Party, now that Russia has helped Trump win, they can also help destroy his presidency the same way they elevated his candidacy over Hillary. If Trump crashes and burns, what are all the dispossessed voters going to believe about the American federal government?

Do you ever think beyond your immediate political considerations? Russia is successfully destabilizing America's government and far too many seem unconcerned with the chaos and distrust they've created within the populace itself.

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-25 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Bone up on your Russian alt-right rubes!

#8 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2016-11-25 11:14 AM | Reply

No one has ever said that one must repudiate Trump in order to be concerned with the Russian propaganda effort to delegitimize American government. The fact that so many of you are completely unable to separate the two distinctly different points only proves that for many the ends justify the means regardless how those ends are achieved.

Exactly. I'm having trouble believing there are Americans so enamored with short-term partisan gain that they are providing cover and support for an unprecedented foreign attack on our country's elections.

For my whole life the right has banged the drums about the Russians as a geopolitical foe. All it took to make them comrades in arms with Russia was for them to attack the Democratic Party and disrupt one election.

None of the Trumpers seems to have the ability to understand that what was done damages the entire country. The blindness is staggering.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Worst kind of fake news is the fake news that uses facts like Wikileaks. How are the Clintons suppose to lie with credability when people leak their email. This needs to end and we can go back to the mainstream media controling conversation. CNN is way more reliable....for the Clinton at least.

If Clinton was president she implied she would take the wise position of using the military to stop Russia from these leaks. Trump being irresponsible is talking about normalizing relations. Trump is way dangerous.

#10 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-11-25 12:32 PM | Reply

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Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers.

Clinton as a criminal

Guess those sneaky Russians fooled the FBI too...

...hiding potentially fatal health problems

Guess those Ruskies faked all those Hillary Health Videos too..

... preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers.

Those crazy Russians! Donating Billions of Dollars into the Clinton Foundation and then claiming a shadowy cabal of global financiers did it. Brilliant!

If Putin is soooo damn smart why isn't he America's president? I mean he's clearly running D.C. already, according to the Democrats...

#11 | Posted by Pegasus at 2016-11-25 12:46 PM | Reply

They think that somehow Hillary Clinton is less trustworthy than the former head of the KGB! SMH!

#13 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-25 02:22 PM | Reply

@ Rcade

Any credible links to back up your accusation?

Apparently the Post has some detractors as to their credibility

townhall.com

www.wnd.com

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www.adweek.com

So much crap, so little time.

CNN has fallen to the bottom of the news ratings. They guy who spewed this story on CNN needs his head examined.

#14 | Posted by coyote at 2016-11-25 04:35 PM | Reply

This is a long two post rant. Sorry. The fact there isn't rage from all Americans over this is shocking. I can't believe the denial. I really can't. You were F'N MANIPULATED!!! You should feel like a tool.

Look I know there has been a lot of hate out of the Left since the election but I there has been as much if not more plus gloating out of the right in this country. Even before the election it was bad but since things have got worse. I understand some of it. The racism that has been simmering on the right the last 20 years has been partially exposed. Don't get me wrong there has been a huge swing in PC the last few years in particular that drove various isms into the cellar but they have come raging out.

There were not a lot of big fans of Hillary. But I can't believe the hate that rose up. And the denial of what a monster Trump is. What I find most upsetting is the shear number of lies coming out of the right wing fake "news" sites - and spreading like wild fire on social media... What was really scary was the impact I seen on social media. It was 90% BS. And it was shared over and over and people were talking about.

I am surrounded by a 90% white work force at work. I am white. I was raised in rural Michigan and 80% of my friends are white. I don't talk politics at work as a rule but I got tired of all the BS and started correcting the "facts" people were spreading. I wasn't giving my position but correcting the facts. You can't believe all the names I was called. I wasn't pontificating for any candidate, I was just relating facts. The anti-Hillary / anti-Clinton rhetoric and lies were astounding.

I have said here that there is no doubt in my mind they are corrupt and so is Trump. BUT they have done a lot of good and Trump has not. He is a destructive force. There is no doubt in my mind still she was by far the better choice for all Americans and the economy. Bill Clinton was President of the most prosperous time in America in the last 50 years. You would have been hard pressed to find someone more against him than me at the time. I even voted for Shrub in 2000 - worst vote of my life looking back.

People fell for all the FUDD and lies being fed them. I don't know where all the hate is coming from. Even the hate of Obama that has been simmering for 8 years. He isn't the greatest President we have had but the lies about his actions and FUDD sown about him is alarming as well. Now to hear that the warnings were true about the Russian - and the truth is it was them - and the right covering their ears and closing their eyes going nah-nuh-nah-nuh about it. I heard all sorts of BS about his immigration policies. When I corrected people and told them he sent more people out of the US than all combined presidents before him - nobody wanted to hear it.

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2016-11-25 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The bottom line is we elected a monster instead of Hillary. A poor businessman that has had several bankruptcies. He made millions off other people's money. He is a CON MAN. He is an alleged rapist of a 13 year old (hasn't been proven) and abuser of many women - too many to deny like Cosby... A man who doesn't do as he says - like manufacturing in the USA. And socially he is trying to bring back the 50s. He is morally reprehensible.

My wife is an immigrant. The flack she has got when I am not there since the election is actually kind of scary. She is as European as it gets and people still make nasty comments. Of course she has an accent and that is what brings it on. I have seen looks now when she talks but nobody has said anything in my presence. They aren't the curious looks they used to be. I see unhappy people. My family is very mixed through marriage - various nationalities and races. We were talking over the holiday and they have all got hateful comments. I am now actually going to get my concealed carry permit because for the first time in my life I am fearful. It isn't from the people everyone always warned me about either. I own several long guns and have since I could. I have been an avid shooter and hunter. BUT I never felt the need to have a weapon for protection even working everyday in the ghetto and having addicts and gang bangers around regularly - until now.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2016-11-25 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Any credible links to back up your accusation?

There's a credible link atop this post which you're ignoring. Unless you have a rebuttal on substance to the piece, I invite you to drink a tall glass of shut the hell up.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

After decades of interfering with other countries elections, the US election allegedly gets interfered with by Russians. The great interference? Releasing emails hacked from a hotmail account used by somebody that's supposed to be smart enough to not bite obvious phishing, let alone using a HOTMAIL account, and social media spam.

So far the US intelligence agencies have produced zero evidence for people to verify. If they haven't it, they're not releasing it. Until then, for all anybody knows it was an inside job in the DNC by a bernie bro with a grudge. That doesn't sell though like a good red scare.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-25 07:32 PM | Reply

So far the US intelligence agencies have produced zero evidence for people to verify.

Seventeen U.S. intelligence agencies would not be saying it if the culprit was a Berniebro with a grudge. Get serious.

It's amazing that you believe Putin and his propaganda outlets more than you believe American government agencies, the media and cybersecurity experts.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's you and other Democrats on here quoting Russia propaganda, constantly, talking about a rebirth of the Soviet Empire that empirically doesn't match up to geopolitical ability. Parroted Libyan propaganda too, and what was the outcome? ISIS got free Milan AT missiles. The agencies and media have a dubious track record, wrong so often they have record low public trust. The best the cyber security experts can say is "it's coming from Russia but we can't actually prove it's connected to their government."

On a practical note, if you want to fight Russians that bad, I'll buy you a ticket to Ukraine.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-25 08:15 PM | Reply

That's you and other Democrats on here quoting Russia propaganda, constantly, talking about a rebirth of the Soviet Empire that empirically doesn't match up to geopolitical ability.

You say I've talked about that "constantly" and I've never said anything like it. I certainly don't quote Russian propaganda. The Trumpers are doing enough of that for everybody.

I'm talking about things Russia has done -- hacking the DNC, spreading fake news, funding online troll armies on Twitter.

You're changing the subject.

On a practical note, if you want to fight Russians that bad, I'll buy you a ticket to Ukraine.

What I want is for the right wing to stop being Putin's patsies just because he helped a GOP candidate win an election. Why is that too much to ask?

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 08:45 PM | Reply

Like this one from Al Jazeera on Turkey re-opening its borders and frontier to new waves of migrants?

"U.S. wars, starvation sanctions and planned destabilization are the overwhelming cause of the surge of hundreds of thousands of war refugees flooding across European borders and across the Mediterranean Sea. The major European-NATO powers collaborated with U.S. imperialism in each war.

The corporate media are publishing painful pictures of drowned children, sinking boats, news stories of suffocating trucks and reports of thousands camped in train stations and along roadways. They rob these reports of context by omitting the cause of the refugee crisis. Some people fear the enormous media coverage could even be cynical preparation to justify a new military offensive by NATO countries against Syria."

#22 | Posted by hobart at 2016-11-25 09:00 PM | Reply

No, not like that, because we all know Al Jazeera exists and has been a media outlet for a while.

The link is about sites like the Baltimore Gazette at baltimoregazette.com.

They claimed to be real newspapers, but in reality were set up during the presidential campaign. Stories were fake, quotes were fake sources were fake and the address of the newspaper was fake.

The Gazette ran fake stories like this one: "FORMER PRESIDENTIAL BALLOT SUPERVISOR CLAIMS ELECTION PREDETERMINED SINCE JFK."

It's Russian disinformation intended to be spread by right-wing -------- who can't tell the difference between a fake news site and a real one.

Now that we've shown Putin how well this works, since we are the weakest-minded people in American history, we can expect it to keep happening.

Instead of caring about the fact we've become a hostile country's bitch, you want to engage in media criticism about Al Jazeera.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-25 09:08 PM | Reply

How about debates where one candidate already has the questions or articles where the DNC acts as editor for the Washington Post or NYT? That seems like it is pretty close to fake news to me.

Wikileaks is the only news we can really trust but Clinton wanted to stop it, even threatening Russia, to stop the truth.

Fake news sucks.

#24 | Posted by nole74 at 2016-11-25 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 | POSTED BY COYOTE

What a rube.

#25 | Posted by memyselfini at 2016-11-26 12:23 AM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY NOLE74

You and your admirer can't see the forest for the trees.

#26 | Posted by memyselfini at 2016-11-26 12:35 AM | Reply

Dr. Drew and Steve Bannon are front and center on this issue. Trump knows Bannon got the win for him using this technique and rewarded him. Russia knows full well that even the appearance of interference in US elections is problematic and likely to backfire. The US, on the other hand, has no compunctions regarding interfering in the elections of other nations.

www.breitbart.com

Russia produces propaganda????? What a surprise. We, on the other hand, would never dream of portraying ourselves in a most positive light.

Like so many Europeans and Asians, Russians are, on average, better educated than Americans. We still have some of the finest educational institutions in the world. But we also have large populations in poor neighborhoods and ghettos that fall though the cracks.

#27 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-26 08:00 AM | Reply

Russia knows full well that even the appearance of interference in US elections is problematic and likely to backfire. The US, on the other hand, has no compunctions regarding interfering in the elections of other nations.

Incredible. You're proclaiming Russia as innocent and the U.S. as guilty of manipulating elections, even with all we've learned about the hacks and other manipulations of this election originating in Russia.

#29 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-26 10:36 AM | Reply

Censored for challenging the moderator to an geopolitical debate over the facts they use to validate their fears. You should get an actual moderator, you're not fit to do it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-26 12:07 PM | Reply

You should get an actual moderator, you're not fit to do it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Since RCADE owns the site, he can do it however he wants to. Isn't that what you "free market" proponents advocate? As righties are always pointing out, you can always go somewhere where they do it the way you like, or you can even do the entrepreneurial thing and start your own site.

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-26 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And this crap "news" was repeated here on the DR over and over again by righties.
But don't expect people with oversized amygdala to change.
Or to be embarrassed.

#2 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2016-11-25 10:47 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

It was also repeated by people who are ostensibly left wing as well.

#32 | Posted by soheifox at 2016-11-26 01:27 PM | Reply

Why is Russia's backing of fake news any different than the multi-national corporate entities who own our major media outlets putting out fake news for their own gain?

Both are acting selfishly against the interests of Americans.

I'm not saying either are acting ethically but to pretend that only one party in this election had media people lying on its behalf is ridiculous. And corporate conglomerates are no more our friend than Russia. To date, they've certainly usurped more power and have done more harm.

#33 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 01:49 PM | Reply

So a corporation is the same thing as a nuclear-armed nation-state, long-time adversary of the United States? Do tell.

#34 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-26 03:11 PM | Reply

"to pretend that only one party in this election had media people lying on its behalf is ridiculous."

In that same vein, are you going to pretend the lying was equal on both sides?

www.pcworld.com

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So a corporation is the same thing as a nuclear-armed nation-state, long-time adversary of the United States? Do tell.

#34 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-26 03:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

They don't have to be the same in order to be doing the same thing for similar reasons. In order to refute what I actually said, you're going to have to address what I actually said. "So what you're saying" followed by crap I never said is the kind of low effort, intellectually dishonest drivel you should save for the dinner table at home.

#36 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In that same vein, are you going to pretend the lying was equal on both sides?

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

They're both at a level of lying that being less of a liar than Trump or Hillary (or their surrogates) doesn't mean anything. You can lie less than either one and still be an irredeemable liar who is unfit for office.

#37 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 03:40 PM | Reply

"They're both at a level of lying that being less of a liar than Trump or Hillary (or their surrogates) doesn't mean anything. "

Only if you're supporting the folks who lied more.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:41 PM | Reply

Only if you're supporting the folks who lied more.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't support either. But I don't agree that someone else telling more lies makes an irredeemable liar any less of an irredeemable liar.

#39 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 03:52 PM | Reply

"But I don't agree that someone else telling more lies makes an irredeemable liar any less of an irredeemable liar."

So Trump is going to produce that letter from the NFL?

Seriously, this is the guy who, in mid-October, told George Stephanopolis he couldn't release his 2015 tax return because it was under audit.

GS reminded him of something every tax professional knows: the IRS isn't auditing ANY 2015 returns, yet.

Just another bald-faced lie from The Pathological.

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:57 PM | Reply

So Trump is going to produce that letter from the NFL?

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I had to Google that. Hadn't heard that one. I thought it was going to be something about his pretty much single handedly destroying the USFL in his attempt to force his way into the NFL via lawsuits.

The NFL letter lie is the kind of thing that proves someone is pathological. Its not a particularly useful lie. And he knows people are going to check almost immediately. But he tells it anyway.

#41 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-26 04:18 PM | Reply

The US and Russia both do this to each other as well as other countries all the time. And they both wring their hands when the other does it blatantly or gets caught doing it. A real non-story here, unless one is so naive they think the US never does this or it could never happen to them.

#42 | Posted by sentinel at 2016-11-26 04:32 PM | Reply

"I had to Google that. Hadn't heard that one. "

I always thought it strange none of the moderators asked him about that one.

It was so obvious a lie, why wouldn't they call him on it? Maybe there were just too many others to deal with, but I thought, like you, it summed up the pathological nature of his lying. It didn't matter, and it was easily disproved...WTF was he thinking he would accomplish by lying?

Clearly, the answer is his -------- either didn't know, or didn't care.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-26 04:33 PM | Reply

Clearly, the answer is his -------- either didn't know, or didn't care.

#43 | Posted by Danforth

It is the latter. As long as he hates all the same people and things that they do, it doesn't matter. He's their "champion", and they'll forgive almost anything as long as he goes to D.C. and "kicks a--".

#44 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-11-27 12:53 PM | Reply

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