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Wednesday, November 23, 2016

Democrats shouted "Shame! Shame!," but seven Republicans switched their votes under pressure from House leaders Thursday and defeated a measure to protect gay rights.

The final vote was 213-212 after the chaos on the House floor. That was enough to defeat an amendment by Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., aimed at upholding an executive order that bars discrimination against LGBT employees by federal contractors.

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House Speaker Paul Ryan, at a news conference immediately after the vote, denied knowledge about the vote-switching.

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Hail, Victory.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2016-11-23 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sickening.

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-23 06:32 PM | Reply

It's the beginning.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-23 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nobody has a right to a job. You have to earn it.

If you want to live a alternative lifestyle you are free to do so but don't expect everyone to agree and accept you.

This is the lesson for the next four years.

#4 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nobody has a right to a job. You have to earn it."

But what if, because you're a Christian, you were specifically denied a job? Or male? Or white?

"If you want to live a alternative lifestyle you are free to do so but don't expect everyone to agree and accept you."

And what if the tables were turned? Why should anyone accept you?

"This is the lesson for the next four years."

Yeah, if the lesson is "Do Unto Others What You'd Never Want Done Unto You." If you're a Christian, or even claim to be, your "lesson" is nothing but self-serving BS.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But tou can't now earn it as a LGBT citizen, this ruling is the exact opposite of a meritocracy you're pretending to believe in.

#6 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2016-11-23 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

House Speaker Paul Ryan, at a news conference immediately after the vote, denied knowledge about the vote-switching.

When was the vote? May 19th 2016 [...]

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-23 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Danforth - I have faced Racism my entire life. I never fell back on it.

I used it. I owned it.

I worked harder just to be equal.

You have to fight for what you want.

If you are not willing to fight, that is a decision that will color your whole life.

#8 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 07:58 PM | Reply

The Democratic Party needs to find a new identity.

Personally I think all the concern over gay wedding cakes and other weird issues is what cost them the election.

Hey...just my opinion.

The Gay Marriage thing from the Supreme Court probably would have been tolerated by much of middle America but destroying Christian businesses and now [...] pushed it over the top.

No body wants to talk about it but I'm fairly convinced that had a lot to do with it.

Democrats didn't know when to stop.

Hey...Gay Marriage you won. Now leave it alone but no...they couldn't do it.

And I'm pretty convinced they would gone down another path such as attacking Christian churches...but guess what....they won't now (or at least until they get back in power which may be awhile)

I hate to see some things reversed but like I said, they just didn't know when to leave well enough alone.

#9 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-23 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I worked harder just to be equal."

So is that the way you want it for others? You're certainly saying as much to the "alternate lifestyle" crowd.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 08:26 PM | Reply

Danforth - I say we are all responsible for ourselves and the decisions we make.

I have made a good living by my actions and I was one in the demographic to fail.

Life is what you make of it.

You either take it by the horns or you get gored.

#11 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 09:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pro,

Of course a little bit of luck and circumstance had adsolutely nothing to do with it.

Lots of people are doing the right things but...well...it doesn't turn out as well for them.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-23 09:53 PM | Reply

"I say we are all responsible for ourselves and the decisions we make."

Only if you "decided" to be black. My guess is you had no choice.

"I have made a good living by my actions and I was one in the demographic to fail."

Then why would you want that mark on someone else? Again, that's "Do Unto Others What I Wouldn't Want Done To Me" territory.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 10:10 PM | Reply

Danforth -I had no choice to be Latino or Mexican, as I am referred to even though me, my father, or my grandfather were We are Americans.

Bill - I hear you, but minorities have to decide if we let racism hold us down or inspire us to achieve.

I chose the latter.

#14 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Danforth -I had no choice to be Latino or Mexican"

So do you believe gays have a choice to be gay?

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 10:38 PM | Reply

"I chose the latter."

Yet for others, you wish the former.

"This is the lesson for the next four years."

You're saying "choose an alternate lifestyle", and you'll be--properly--beaten down.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 10:41 PM | Reply

Danforth - It does not matter what I believe. The fact is there are some who do not condone of the gay lifestyle.

That is reality. Gay people know this. You know this.

It is wrong to pass laws to punish people who disagree.

I live in Los Angeles, we have been pro gay for generations. I have no problem with that.

But it is wrong to force it on people who disagree for any reason. It's not acceptance at that point, its coercion and it won't work.

That is why we have Trump as president.

#17 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Danforth - what I am saying is along the Progressive interpretation of the First Amendment when they don't agree.

Freedom of speech does not come without the consequences of that speech.

It's rather simple.

We all make choices.

#18 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 10:52 PM | Reply

"The fact is there are some who do not condone of the gay lifestyle."

Yeah, and in that regard, you suggested the next four years will "teach them a lesson".

"It does not matter what I believe."

Of course it does. Especially when you believe your "lessers" are about to rightfully get some overdue comeuppance.

"We all make choices."

And you've chosen to be a bigot, seemingly to make sure others have to endure what you did.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Freedom of speech does not come without the consequences of that speech."

You're pretending "I'm Latino" or "I'm Syrian" or "I'm gay" is free speech. And from your postings, it seems like you're primed to issue some consequences.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 11:15 PM | Reply

"it is wrong to force it on people who disagree for any reason."

Do you feel the same way about equality for Latinos? Should those who, say, refuse to serve you because of your heritage be "forced" to follow the law, or not?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-23 11:18 PM | Reply

Danforth - do you always speak for others?

That is not only presumptuous, but abusive.

Says a lot for someone who seems to be advocating tolerance.

It also indicates you are not one to take seriously.

Sorry brother, you gotta do better than that...

#22 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 11:19 PM | Reply

Danforth - I was in Akron, Ohio with my brothers and sisters visiting my mother after a horrible accident. We went to a dinner where I had been several times and knew the people working there. They knew my mom, who is white as snow.

I am white skinned so I was treated like everyone else, when I came in I would sit at the counter. My brothers and sisters are brown skinned and when I walked in with them we were quickly taken to the back of the dinner, and I mean the back, where the waitresses took their breaks. Everyone was staring at us, and it was uncomfortable. I asked for a different table, but was told no.

My family is from Los Angeles, and had not had this experience since we were children. We still ordered, we still enjoyed our time there, we spent good money there. I told the waitress, Thank You, and I'll see you again. And I did.

That is being a man.

That is understanding the differences between others.

The only way we learn is by experience, I shared my family experience with this dinner. I cannot make them learn.

But there is hope...

#23 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-24 12:03 AM | Reply

It started sooner than I thought it would.

Republicans said the measure was simply a restatement of religious liberties from the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and they bristled at Democratic criticism.

"There are some people who are emotional … that's beyond the pale. They can say whatever they want to but that's beyond the pale," said Rep. Bill Flores, R-Texas, asked about Democrats saying Republicans were a party of hate. "This country has a First Amendment that protects religious liberties, and that's all we were doing is protecting that."

--------.

This "religious liberties" is going to be far more divisive than anything the Dems have done.

---- your personal religious beliefs. When they begin to affect someone else they're no longer personal.

Besides, it's childish nonsense anyways. Grow up and stop living your life by some stone age goat herding myths. If you need that or fear of some sky daddy to be a decent person, there's something wrong with you.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-24 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

JPW,

You need to weigh in on the Thanksgiving turkey thread.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-24 12:45 AM | Reply

"Danforth - do you always speak for others?"

When they're being downtrodden, of course. Your original suggestion was that certain folks are going to get what's coming to them. You're part of the problem.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-11-24 12:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You're part of the problem.

#26 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

My fist is about to become part of your problem. - Frank Cotton

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-24 12:56 AM | Reply

You need to weigh in on the Thanksgiving turkey thread.

Will do. I need a break from this election/political ----.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-24 01:00 AM | Reply

"But it is wrong to force it on people who disagree for any reason. It's not acceptance at that point, its coercion and it won't work."

The error in your thinking is that you pretend that gay people "force it on other people," which is absolutely not even close to the truth. They just want to be able to keep their jobs when bigots figure out they might be gay. I'm in that category, when I went to work where I do still work, no one knew anything about my sexuality, I was fortunate. My employer is a good and decent person who never blinked an eye when he learned of it and I have tried to show my appreciation by doing a very good job for many years. Many others are not so lucky. Now, folks like you want to make it ok to discriminate? Go to hell bigot!

#29 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-24 08:41 AM | Reply

Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-23 08:15 PM | Reply

What a disgrace. Just because you didn't have the balls to live authentically doesn't give you sanction to make life miserable for others.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-24 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I worked harder just to be equal.

I'm sorry for your experiences with discrimination, but I think you took the wrong lesson from them.

You make it sound like equality is something that has to be earned by people who suffer discrimination. Equality should be a birthright in this country, guaranteed under the Constitution and our laws. Those who discriminate are the ones who need to change, not you.

There's no such thing as being equal by working harder. You are either treated as equal or you're not.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

BillJohnson: You don't get to use this site to tell a transgender woman she's a man. That bigotry is not accepted here.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tsk...tsk...

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:18 AM | Reply

"You make it sound like equality is something that has to be earned by people who suffer discrimination. Equality should be a birthright in this country, guaranteed under the Constitution and our laws. Those who discriminate are the ones who need to change, not you."

Newsworthy. Happy Thanksgiving.

#35 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2016-11-24 10:19 AM | Reply

Rcade,

"not accepted here"

ok

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:21 AM | Reply

If you're sincere about not doing it, thank you.

#37 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 10:22 AM | Reply

Rcade,

Maybe you need to distribute coloring books and hot chocolate to go with the coddling.

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:24 AM | Reply

One more post before I'm done.

I think this year Christians have something to definitely be thankful for.

Liberals lost.

#39 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:26 AM | Reply

You deleted my post even thought I didn't attack anyone.

#40 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:28 AM | Reply

Just censorship.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:28 AM | Reply

"If you're sincere about not doing it, thank you."

"Maybe you need to distribute coloring books and hot chocolate to go with the coddling."

Rcade, sounds like he wasn't being sincere. He's going to simply resort to more understated ways of saying the same thing (see above).

Happy Thanksgiving.

#42 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2016-11-24 10:28 AM | Reply

Rcade,

If you had removed that one offending line I would have been fine.

But you didn't.

You deleted the entire post.

You censored me.

#43 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-11-24 10:37 AM | Reply

Aw. Poor baby.

#44 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 10:51 AM | Reply

The irony here is that someone who is defending the right to discriminate is complaining about having its post discriminated against.

#45 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2016-11-24 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

BillJohnson: You don't get to use this site to tell a transgender woman she's a man. That bigotry is not accepted here.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't think a man would be eagerly awaiting the day his dingy went plucked away. No matter how dinky his dingy was.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-24 10:57 AM | Reply

You censored me.

I just suspended your account too. You are not entitled to make bigoted comments on a private website. Laura and every other transgender person deserve the respect of being addressed as the gender they live under. This act of simple decency would cost you nothing.

Not long ago my sons were going to be visited by a transgender boy, so my wife and I let them know in advance so there'd be no problems. Do you know how long it took them to accept the notion of calling that boy a boy? No time at all. Kindness and tolerance are easy choices, particularly for young people who've grown up in a society where LGBT people are more openly accepted.

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#47
Newsworthy.
Happy Thanksgiving!

#48 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2016-11-24 11:02 AM | Reply

Rcade - it is a birthright and you do have to fight for it. That is what white America is doing now. These are your people lashing out. You have white privilege, I don't. What do you think that truly means.

This is the blind spot occurring. Whites as a whole are fighting for their dignity, their birthright and it is only beginning.

We need to engage and not divide along racial lines as we are still a white christian nation no matter how strongly we want to deny that.

There needs to be a middle ground which there isn't. A community cannot survive in a binary world.

#49 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-24 12:26 PM | Reply

These are your people lashing out. You have white privilege, I don't.

I've had advantages in my life because I'm a white male. I don't dispute that.

But let's not get carried away. Rural, no-college, conservative white people aren't my people just because we share a race.

... we are still a white christian nation no matter how strongly we want to deny that.

This country is multicultural. It becomes less white and less Christian every year. Just because President Second Choice won doesn't reverse those trends.

By mid-century, the U.S. is projected to reach a point where it is majority-minority.

www.msnbc.com

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Prolix,

We are a predominately white, predominately Christian nation.

And that isn't a distinction without a difference.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-24 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rcade - that's like saying rural latino non- educated farm workers aren't my people. Yet ------- is a term originating from the fields. I am very familiar with that word.

It doesn't work that way for minorities.

You don't get to pick and choose your affinity group once you assign labels to everyone else.

Welcome to my reality.

#52 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-24 03:32 PM | Reply

you're a sick one. can't wait until the table finally turns, on you. #4 🖕🏻

#53 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-11-24 08:45 PM | Reply

here ya go mr -------.

www.washingtonpost.com

www.usatoday.com

www.merriam-webster.com

#54 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-11-24 08:49 PM | Reply

the binary world is the white christian one.

but as long as they increasingly evaporate, who cares.

sounds you're all mixed up with the wrong ppl. that's a treatable condition.

#56 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-11-24 08:55 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY ICHIRO

WOW thats pretty racist....

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-24 09:24 PM | Reply

I see that LoD and Mackris didn't follow the thread enough to know where and who brought up "-------" first. Oh well.

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rcade - that's like saying rural latino non- educated farm workers aren't my people.

You don't get to choose who are "my people," dude. Get a clue. Maybe some whites in this country identify as belonging to a unified white American cultural identity, but that's far from commonplace. I identify as Irish/Scottish/English by heritage. I have more in common with college educated urban or suburban people of any race than I do rural white Christian conservatives.

They're welcome to their identity but don't put me in that angry grievance group. I have next to nothing in common with the "Lock Her Up" yokels in their red MAGA caps who get all warm and creamy thinking about their guns.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-24 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I identify as Irish/Scottish/English by heritage. I have more in common with college educated urban or suburban people of any race than I do rural white Christian conservatives.

This is what Sully has been saying, economic stratification is more important than racial. But thats no how Democrats behave or enact policy.

#60 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-24 10:23 PM | Reply

I see that LoD and Mackris didn't follow the thread enough to know where and who brought up "-------" first. Oh well.

#58 | POSTED BY YAV

I read it.....

But just like you can't say the Nword to say who said the NWord.....

It goes without saying...

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-24 10:24 PM | Reply

But look in any legitimate historic record or newspaper or magazine that covered Lee Atwater's infamous quote, and you'll see the "N" word used, not redacted or edited.
This site's rules are this site's rules.
When informed I abide.

As to "It goes without saying" you didn't chastise the originator, you didn't reference the Prolix' post, so spare me the fake offense.

#62 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 10:39 PM | Reply

Never OK in my book, but being offended - not by the first use, but by the rebuke - made the 'offense' from you and Andrea laughable to me.
Especially when the person that used the term ORIGINALLY (Prolix) was doing it to evoke some minority "due" sympathy after deriding another minority - gays - by saying there are "laws to punish people that disagree" (bs) and "forcing it" and "coercing" people to "accept gays."
Then said poster goes on about not being able to choose being Latino. Oh, but he's "passable."
Huh? I'm not seeing the experience of this person ever being called the "W" word.
I'm seeing that person use it as a shield.

Yeah, I get the reason for Ichiro's rebuke.

I get the point Prolix was trying to make, too.

I just don't buy the self-serving narrative at all.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 11:11 PM | Reply

And now you know why.

#66 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 11:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

(#66 - though who was that guy? Paul Harvey? He'd close out with something like that - oh yeah, "And now you know The Rest of the Story" - LOL!)

#67 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-24 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Welcome to Trump's America. How do you like it so far?

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-25 02:18 AM | Reply

Welcome to Trump's America. How do you like it so far?

#68 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

It hasn't started yet.

Having said that, I don't have high expectations....

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-25 02:37 AM | Reply

(#66 - though who was that guy? Paul Harvey? He'd close out with something like that - oh yeah, "And now you know The Rest of the Story" - LOL!)

#67 | POSTED BY YAV

"Good; DAY!"

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-25 02:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I am not due any sympathy from anyone nor do I seek it.

That is my point. No one is due anything. You have to work for what you want. If you fail the first time, get up and try again don't blame others for our failures.

Rcade, let me put it this way. When people think of minorities in general we see them as a monolithic group tied to the stereotypes we hold.

People don't see a college educated liberal latino male, they see a Mexican. They don't understand I have nothing in common with Latino gangs, or illegals, I'm a Mexican.

Now, it's whites turn at the wheel of life. Let's see how they react?

#71 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-25 09:59 AM | Reply

oh boy.

#72 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-25 11:50 AM | Reply

Now, it's whites turn at the wheel of life.
#71 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2016-11-25 09:59 AM

If by "wheel of life" you mean "Russian roulette," agreed!

#73 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-25 12:00 PM | Reply

Oddly enough, Russian Roulette is called Русская рулетка in Russia.
Which is Russian for "Russian roulette."
Pronounced "roos-ka-ya roo-yet-ka"

#74 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-25 12:19 PM | Reply

You speak Russian Yav?

#75 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-25 12:29 PM | Reply

Speak? I would characterize it more as abuse.

#76 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-25 01:16 PM | Reply

"And you've chosen to be a bigot, seemingly to make sure others have to endure what you did."

And would it be bigoted to refuse to bake a cake celebrating Hitler's birthday if you were Jewish?

What about forcing a baker in Boston to bake a cake commemorating the attacks on the Boston Marathon.

All things equal?

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2016-11-25 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait I thought Trump was taking away Lefts?

#78 | Posted by Federalist at 2016-11-25 08:06 PM | Reply

And would it be bigoted to refuse to bake a cake celebrating Hitler's birthday if you were Jewish?

What about forcing a baker in Boston to bake a cake commemorating the attacks on the Boston Marathon.

Are you seriously comparing gay marriage to the Holocaust and terrorism?

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-26 03:25 AM | Reply

That was enough to defeat an amendment by Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., aimed at upholding an executive order that bars discrimination against LGBT employees by federal contractors.

What in the heck does this even mean? From my understanding, it requires all contractors and subcontractors to not discriminate( no problem) but also requires them to take affirmative action in locating and hiring LGBT.

I could be wrong but this is what my take is on this May 2016 rejection. Now, I don't agree with any mean of discrimination, and that includes forcing minority for the sake of it, it means they are subject to not choosing the best qualified individual, that's wrong. I know that is not the intent but that is the real outcome.

Now if a minority is more qualified and passed over I understand the discrimination gripe.

#80 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-11-26 04:22 AM | Reply

Are you seriously comparing gay marriage to the Holocaust and terrorism?

His name is "MadBomber" after all...

#81 | Posted by YAV at 2016-11-26 08:51 AM | Reply

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