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Tuesday, November 22, 2016

Michael Weiss, Daily Beast: It was an unknown number of days after [Donald Trump] received what he described as a "beautiful" letter from his soon-to-be Russian counterpart, a man whose steadfast leadership he has professed to admire and whose regime is currently -- although perhaps not for long -- under U.S. sanctions owing to its invasion and occupation of parts of Ukraine. Vladimir Putin's military is also responsible, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, for killing more Syrian civilians in a single year than ISIS has managed to do in three-and-a-half years -- and all in the name of combating what Putin calls "international terrorism and extremism." Not that Trump is aware of that latter statistic (he has, at times, been unaware of Russia's invasion of Ukraine), and not that he would be much bothered by it even if he were. His Syria policy, such as it can be divined from his statements and claims on the hustings, and now in his turbulent transition period, has remained doggedly opposed to reality.

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It scarcely matters that "Syria" is here represented by a mass murdering dictator who has in the past instructed his intelligence services to dispatch jihadists into Iraq to blow up American soldiers, and more recently released al Qaeda veterans from his prisons, as he continues to trade with ISIS in oil, natural gas, weapons and electricity. ...

This is the most politically and socially destabilizing mass migration the likes of which have not been seen since World War II, and yet which Trump seems to think it's the work of the caliphate, not his future friend Assad. ...

Putin and Assad would surely welcome a realignment of the world's only military superpower into the Damascus-Tehran-Moscow orbit -- one which Trump blames the weakling Barack Obama for enabling even as he vows to work with it as a geopolitical fait accompli, making the United States a moral underwriter of that troika's war crimes.

Trump's worldview suffers from a major strategic contradiction: one cannot be both pro-Putin and anti-Ayatollah at the same time. Least of all in Syria.

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"Putin and Assad would surely welcome a realignment of the world's only military superpower into the Damascus-Tehran-Moscow orbit -- one which Trump blames the weakling Barack Obama for enabling even as he vows to work with it as a geopolitical fait accompli, making the United States a moral underwriter of that troika's war crimes.

Trump's worldview suffers from a major strategic contradiction: one cannot be both pro-Putin and anti-Ayatollah at the same time. Least of all in Syria.

"The Assad regime does not even have control over the military forces fighting in its name," Jennifer Carafella, a Syria analyst at the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War told The Daily Beast.

"Iran has disproportionate control over pro-regime forces. So if the U.S. is talking about entering into an alignment with Assad or Assad plus Russia, it's actually talking about entering into an alignment with Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps," Carafella said, referring to the elite expeditionary force of the mullahs. Trump has blamed the incumbent president for enriching that same group, to America's peril, by way of the Iran nuclear deal."

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 02:19 AM | Reply

Trump is unteachable. He believes what he wants to believe and the truth be damned. He is a danger to our security, he is a danger to the world.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-22 02:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Another B.S. daily Beast article.

A Clinton ran news site

Chelsea Clinton sits on the daily beast board.

you know Marijuana can kill you chelsea

"The Daily Beast is owned by IAC, where Vice Chair of the Clinton Foundation, Chelsea Clinton, serves on the board of directors.

In March 2016, Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks alleged that The Daily Beast was biased in favour of the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton,"

en.wikipedia.org

#3 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-11-22 02:37 AM | Reply

And the author of this piece of poop, why its neocon Michael Weiss!

This is what the NATION Magazine has to say about Michael Weiss

Weiss, youthful yet professorial in manner, has become a nearly constant presence on cable news because of his supposed expertise on, among other things, Russia, Syria, and ISIS. A longtime neoconservative journalist, he began his rise to cable-news ubiquity as a protégé of the late Christopher Hitchens. After working with Hitchens, he made his way to the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a London-based bastion of neoconservatism that, according to a report in The Guardian, has "attracted controversy in recent years -- with key staff criticised in the past for allegedly anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant comments."

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-11-22 03:04 AM | Reply

Link

www.thenation.com

#5 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-11-22 03:06 AM | Reply

If Corky was an alawite he'd be comparing Assad to Abraham Lincoln.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-22 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The people who think willy-nilly regime change works are unteachable. They believe what they want to believe and the truth be damned. They are a danger to our security, they are a danger to the world.

#7 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-22 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The president-elect's view of the Syrian situation is so full of contradictions "

Oh yeah and our current policy of flooding the country with weapons that end up in the hands of God-knows-who and supporting jihadist child beheaders while trying to claim the moral high ground is oh-so productive and logically consistent.

The best thing we could do in Syria is stay out and watch. ISIS probably doesn't do so well in the absence of our "accidentally" arming them and creating a 2nd front for Assad to worry about.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-22 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Syria and the Statistics of War
Trust none of what you hear, some of what you read, half of what you see
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#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-22 11:07 AM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

Good find....

Well, Hillary is a NeoCon.....

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-22 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It scarcely matters that "Syria" is here represented by a mass murdering dictator who has in the past instructed his intelligence services to dispatch jihadists into Iraq to blow up American soldiers, and more recently released al Qaeda veterans from his prisons, as he continues to trade with ISIS in oil, natural gas, weapons and electricity. ..."

As this threads proves, those facts scarcely matters around here.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 12:58 PM | Reply

As this threads proves, those facts scarcely matters around here.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 12:58 PM | Reply

Who do you think takes over if he is toppled? What will the strongest faction left standing be in that case? ISIS? If not, ISIS then one of these other wonderful islamofascist groups?

Newsflash: The five true moderates that we trained are not taking over Syria, you bumpkin.

#12 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-22 01:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

B-b-but Dear Leader has a Secret Plan.
Dunce.

#13 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-11-22 01:52 PM | Reply

I gotta say, identifying our allies in Syria is no easy task. They don't seem to be any of the groups that are loaded with weapons. This is a place where absolutes of any kind are folly.

#14 | Posted by cbob at 2016-11-22 01:56 PM | Reply

I love how people are so eager for us to get involved in every tiff and spit in every part of the world.

We spent 5 billion to foment the civil war in Ukraine. 5 Billion. Lets assume that a good vocational/technical 2 year school runs 50k.

We could have 100k welders, IT personnel, nurses aides, paralegals right now. Pulling down good salaries. Instead theres a cluster---- in Ukraine that is costing 1000s of lives.

How much have we spent in Syria? Between airstrikes, funding and arming moderate beheaders, "advisors", etc?

#15 | Posted by aescal at 2016-11-22 01:58 PM | Reply

-Who do you think takes over if he is toppled?

"The Assad regime does not even have control over the military forces fighting in its name," Jennifer Carafella, a Syria analyst at the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for the Study of War told The Daily Beast. "

Whomever Putin wants Iran to put in control, you fool. Reading is your friend, yet you hardly even notice it.

-The five true moderates that we trained are not taking over Syria,

Have held out against Assad for years, despite your moronic whimpering.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 02:04 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 02:04 PM | Reply

So who is taking over after the Syiran A-Team takes down Assad? How nice is the new guy going to be?

You didn't answer the question.

#17 | Posted by sully at 2016-11-22 02:12 PM | Reply

Whomever Putin wants Iran to put in control, you fool.

I answered the question, you just did't like the answer... maybe because it was so obvious.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 02:22 PM | Reply

Whomever Putin wants Iran to put in control, you fool.

I answered the question, you just did't like the answer... maybe because it was so obvious.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 02:22 PM | Reply

So you're saying that even if the kiddie choppers we are arming win, Putin will ulitimately decide who governs Syria?

Doesn't that make your pro-US involvement position even more ridiculously stupid than it is on its face?

I thought you'd at least try to pretend there is an outcome that would make our involvement make sense on some level.

#19 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-22 02:26 PM | Reply

Oh lovely more tripe masquerading as factual news. So sweet and awesome sauce.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-22 02:28 PM | Reply

So all along it's been Obama that was the Putin lover! That's why he's helping Iran and Russia by letting them install a new puppet!

Is that what he meant by being more flexible?

#21 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2016-11-22 02:35 PM | Reply

Shocked I say! Shocked!

#22 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-22 03:32 PM | Reply

Oh lovely more tripe masquerading as factual news. So sweet and awesome sauce.

#20 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

And still true. Deal with it.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-22 03:32 PM | Reply

Whats untrue about his article?

Putin loves Assad.
Trump loves Putin.
Trump won't fight Putin in Syria like Obama did.
Assad slaughtered his own people and killed American solders.

...What about any of this is false?

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-22 03:35 PM | Reply

The official story line in the western media is when Russia supports rebels with weapons, they are invaders. When the USA does the same, we are freeing an oppressed people. Its all BS and its bad for you.

Russia annexed Crimea, just as we did to Hawaii, Puerto Rico and several other islands...

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-22 03:50 PM | Reply

- So you're saying that even if the kiddie choppers we are arming win, Putin will ulitimately decide who governs Syria?

You double talk just like Donald. You premised the question on your assertion that the rebels could never overthrow Assad, then asked who would take his place if he was gone.

As long as you continue to ignore that Putin had controlled Assad via Iran, you'll still sound as naive as Trump.

"• He acknowledged that Syria was a problem "we have to solve." But he acknowledged that he had a "different view than everybody else," a reference to his assertions that the United States should work with Russia in combating the Islamic State and not worry about forcing out the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad."

www.nytimes.com

Forcing out Assad would only leave Putin replacing him via Iran's military power in Syria.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 03:51 PM | Reply

Sounds like you're agreeing with Trump & Putin, better to leave Assad alone? I certainly agree, but that doesn't mean I love Assad or Putin.

Actually, Ukraine was more on my mind, but the USA is responsible for the destabilization of both regions and much more. Millions of innocents murdered for completely dishonest reasons and millions more displaced, all because of the USA. I could go on about Africa, South America, Central America, the Caribbean and Asia. Our official storyline is a sick lie.

There is no military force like the USA. While we win every battle, we lose every war, probably because truth is no longer on our side. My point is always the same, both countries should be judged by the same international standards, instead we listen to the pot calling the kettle black.

#27 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-22 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris

"Trust none of what you hear, some of what you read, half of what you see" - That is actually well said. I wish people would take it more seriously.

And Nassim Taleb's article is spot on. I am going to go a step further. In this age of instant news the problem is exacerbated. I don't think the mainstream media intentionally intends to mislead people but they can and do. It is all about getting the story up first and getting clicks or viewers. Correct the facts later when nobody is paying attention - American's in general have a short attention span. I don't mean to slam on the correcting of facts later - it is inevitable but by then it is too late and out of control.

Just like the story going around about Breitbart's official and generic sounding named organization that generates tons of reports (can't remember the name of it for the life of me right now). Are they factual - turns out no no they are not but once a news organization falls for them it is too late.

#28 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2016-11-22 04:28 PM | Reply

The only reason Iran is our enemy is because of Israel and their entangling alliance as our best-est ally. Israel also has back room ties to Saudis. Israel has always played our CIA and State Dept for their benefit and proxy wars, not ours. We give them billions we don't have, and have given them first dibs on our Strategic Petroleum Reserve. We are their sugar daddy. They are not an ally of average Americans. That's the way I see it. One good thing Obama did was not getting us involved in a war with Iran on behalf of Israel. Trump won't either. Hillary would.

#29 | Posted by Robson at 2016-11-22 04:29 PM | Reply

The only reason Iran is our enemy is because of Israel and their entangling alliance as our best-est ally. Israel also has back room ties to Saudis. Israel has always played our CIA and State Dept for their benefit and proxy wars, not ours. We give them billions we don't have, and have given them first dibs on our Strategic Petroleum Reserve. We are their sugar daddy. They are not an ally of average Americans. That's the way I see it. One good thing Obama did was not getting us involved in a war with Iran on behalf of Israel. Trump won't either. Hillary would.

#29 | POSTED BY ROBSON AT 2016-11-22 04:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG:HEAD WAY UP HIS @$$

Erm no... and your little dig into what Hillary would do... considering she was in on brokering one of the here to fore best deals we have been able to come up in decades to reach a peaceful accord with Iran....

Oh and FYI... there are plenty of reasons Iran is our enemy... Such as the 1953 Eisenhower / CIA coup to overthrow the first democratically elected prime minister whose platform was to change the unfair profit split 90/10 for their oil to the Anglo-Iranian (now BP) oil company ... or the installment if Muhammad R. Pahlavi's brutal regime... of the whole selling arms to Saddam... and to them... and to Iraq... and to them... and all the Iran-contra silliness... and those are the tip of the iceberg of our capricious and arbitrary relationship with Iran.... its obvious by your petty little two dimensional blather on a subject you obviously know nothing about that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer. We don't need Israel to screw things up with Iran.

I doubt that you are smart enough to feel ashamed of just how ignorant your post was.

#30 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2016-11-22 11:48 PM | Reply

I just have to wonder about the humanity of anyone who defends the Assad regime and Putin too as they bomb hospitals, even childrens' hospitals.

"Actually, Ukraine was more on my mind, but the USA is responsible for the destabilization of both regions and much more. Millions of innocents murdered for completely dishonest reasons and millions more displaced, all because of the USA."

You are literally out of your mind. GEt a grip, try to make contact with reality. Putin took Crimea because he wanted Crimea, nothing we did caused that. He was afraid Ukraine was moving towards the west, which it was, but there was no threat to Russia ever. He just wanted to "own" Crimea because it offers him a warm water port for his fleet on the Black Sea as well as a resort the the Oligarchs to enjoy. You enable him, Ukrainians hate people like you. With a passion. You don't really know what you're talking about and real people are dying because people like you defend Putin who is a murdering dictator who we will have to fight one day because of appeasers like you.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-23 08:06 AM | Reply

What Putin is doing in Aleppo is what we are doing in Mosul.

The only difference is that Mosul has stalled. As Shia forces entered Mosul from the East, they requested artillery and air support. The US will not provide this support, because it will not begin bombing a city with 1 million Sunnis on behalf of the Shia militias. We'll bomb it's suburbs into dirt though.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-23 08:49 AM | Reply

No Sitz, we are not bombing hospitals and doing it on purpose. Virtually all of the hospitals in Aleppo have been bombed now. On purpose. Intentionally. You can hate America all you want but don't make stuff up. And don't expect other Americans to respect you, we don't. Go kiss Putin's ass somewhere else.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2016-11-23 08:58 AM | Reply

You premised the question on your assertion that the rebels could never overthrow Assad, then asked who would take his place if he was gone.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-22 03:51 PM | Reply

That's wasn't my intention so I apolgoize for the confusion. Now that we are all cleared up:

If the US backed factions "win", who is going to run Syria and how much better than Assad when it comes to human rights will they be?

You have to be able to answer that question in order for the US intervention to make any sense at all.

My position is that you don't know, it is impossible to know for sure and you're not going to give me a straight answer.

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-23 09:06 AM | Reply

Sully he didn't learn ANYTHING from Iraq and he thinks removing Assad is a brilliant idea. Americans are stupid because we repeat our mistakes over and over again.

#35 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-23 09:10 AM | Reply

No Sitz, we are not bombing hospitals and doing it on purpose. Virtually all of the hospitals in Aleppo have been bombed now. On purpose. Intentionally. You can hate America all you want but don't make stuff up. And don't expect other Americans to respect you, we don't. Go kiss Putin's ass somewhere else.

#33 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2016-11-23 08:58 AM | REPLY

If there was a hospital in a Mosul suburb that was manned by IS fighters, then 1 of 2 things happens. First, they reclassify the target as a garrison and ask for US air strikes. We make it rain. If that for some reason gets denied because maybe an embedded special forces noticed, our surrogate Shia forces, whom can be directly tied to Iran through the clerics that direct them, batter it down with US supplied shoulder-launched missiles. Who do you think gets preference in treatment at the hospitals? Whomever shows up with the most guns and threatens the doctors, not the civilians.

Here's another one that people don't want to wrap their heads around. Why did the Russians bomb an "aid" convoy? Because aid convoy supplies immediately go to the fighters, not the civilians. The fighters have the guns, they can just take them. Food, water, medicine are all basic combat supplies as critical as bullets. There are plenty of videos of US-backed rebel fighting positions constructed out of aid materials with USAID company logos on them.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-23 09:40 AM | Reply

Sully he didn't learn ANYTHING from Iraq and he thinks removing Assad is a brilliant idea. Americans are stupid because we repeat our mistakes over and over again.

#35 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I don't know why some people post when they have literally no clue what is going on. Please stop posting nonsense.

America didn't invade Syria.
America didn't start the Syrian civil war.
Assad, unlike Saddam, was already supporting terrorist groups.
Syria is nearly homogenous religiously unlike Iraq which is very divided (hence the issues and rise of ISIS).
Assad likely was going to be toppled without our support until Russia stepped in.

We stepped in to hopefully have some influence on who would be the inevitable replacement. Well, that and because he used chemical weapons on his own people.

And I don't think a Bush voter should be criticizing the American public at large.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-23 10:37 AM | Reply

America didn't invade Syria.
America didn't start the Syrian civil war.
Assad, unlike Saddam, was already supporting terrorist groups.
Syria is nearly homogenous religiously unlike Iraq which is very divided (hence the issues and rise of ISIS).
Assad likely was going to be toppled without our support until Russia stepped in.

We stepped in to hopefully have some influence on who would be the inevitable replacement. Well, that and because he used chemical weapons on his own people.

And I don't think a Bush voter should be criticizing the American public at large.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-23 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

There you go again having absolutely no clues for wence you're speaking about as per usual from you.

www.commondreams.org

Down the Memory Hole: NYT Erases CIA's Efforts to Overthrow Syria's Government

www.globalresearch.ca

2006-2011 Prior to the onset of the Syrian war, the U.S. stirs up opposition to Syrian government (Assad). An April 18, 2011 article reads "Newly released WikiLeaks cables reveal that the US State Department has been secretly financing Syrian opposition groups and other opposition projects for at least five years, The Washington Post reports."

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-23 10:49 AM | Reply

America had no business getting involved. Nothing you say can change the fact that hope and change got us involved in another conflict without a clue as to why or what outcome we preferred.

How stupid are you that you could so foolishly believe we were going to have a say in anything that happened in Russia's puppet? Honestly, you're frigging stupid. What would make you comment on something you clearly know nothing about?

Also, why would a partisan hack like you be so stupid as to remind everyone of Obama
'S failed red line in regards to chemical weapons?

#39 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2016-11-23 10:50 AM | Reply

What a load of bull. When Trumf sends pallets with stacks of currency in the 100's of millions to Iran and his SECSTATE gives in to every one of their demands and then tells us a bad deal is better than no deal, that is when I will believe this poor excuse for an article.

#40 | Posted by SailorX76 at 2016-11-23 11:03 AM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2016-11-23 10:37 AM | REPLY

You left out the part where Assad was winning, until french-made Milan anti-tank missiles proliferated from Qaddafi's armories directly to anti-Assad rebels.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-11-23 11:32 AM | Reply

America had no business getting involved. Nothing you say can change the fact that hope and change got us involved in another conflict without a clue as to why or what outcome we preferred.

#39 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Yes, we should totally stand by while Assad supports terror attacks against US troops in other parts of the Mid-East and gases his own people.

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-23 02:17 PM | Reply

The Alawite's saved hundreds of thousands of Armenians fleeing their holocaust by giving them a safe passage and harbour.

Now some here think we should destroy them for a pipeline.

My how times have changed

#43 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-11-23 04:16 PM | Reply

Yes, we should totally stand by while Assad supports terror attacks against US troops in other parts of the Mid-East and gases his own people.

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-11-23 02:17 PM | Reply

What are you babbling about? Assad supporting terrorists who attack us? You're making stuff up.

Obama has been the one arming and supporting jihadists, including groups with links to Al Qaeda. And attacking Assad's forces helps ISIS, who by the way was created by the same brand of neocon policy that had disastrous results in Iraq and Libya and is still causing harm while accomplishing nothing in Syria.

If you have to lie to support your position, you're wrong.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2016-11-24 12:18 PM | Reply

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