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Monday, November 21, 2016

As Hillary Clinton fades from public view, Bernie Sanders is not only still here -- he's everywhere. And the progressive organizations and operatives who rallied around his presidential campaign -- "the Bernie Mafia," as they call themselves -- feel as though they've finally won a seat at the adults' table in the Democratic Party while the Clinton machine retreats. "I'm not here to blame anybody, not to criticize anybody, but facts are facts," Sanders said. "When you lose the White House to the least popular candidate in the history of America, when you lose the Senate, when you lose the House, and when two-thirds of governors in this country are Republicans, it is time for a new direction for the Democratic Party."

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Feel the Bern!

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-11-21 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Best of luck to the Bernie Sanders-inspired supporters who aim to fix the DNC! I'll be rooting for y'all in the upcoming battles against Howard Dean and those who aim to keep the stagnant establishment types in positions of party leadership.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-21 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looks like war in the DNC ......

Did you catch the "BernieBux" in the SNL Bubble skit.... hilarious ... h/t Nulli
www.youtube.com

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-11-21 12:40 PM | Reply

I welcome this takeover attempt, but the more cocky they sound, the less likely they'll succeed. They have to avoid alienating Hillary voters.

#4 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They have to avoid alienating Hillary voters."

LOL. What are they going to do...vote Trump in 2020?? If the Soros funded centrist-globalists want to fight it out, I say let them drown in the center while we build a Labor party.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-11-21 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Go Bernie Go. Get rid of of all the hacks who railroaded you. Work towards bringing us the reforms this country needs.

#6 | Posted by byrdman at 2016-11-21 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I am really curious, why does everyone on the keep bringing up Soros? I mean I see reference to him in a lot of the right fake news sites but... I know he spent a lot on the DNC this year but he doesn't hold a light to the Koch machine. He is influential but is he that influential?

#7 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2016-11-21 04:59 PM | Reply

I'm looking to Jill Stein for leadership. She'll show 'em all.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-21 05:12 PM | Reply

LOL. What are they going to do...vote Trump in 2020?

If I had said to you two months ago, "What are you going to do -- vote Trump?" you would have regarded it as self-defeating partisan hackery.

Now look at you, expecting everybody else to tow the line if Bernie takes over the Democrats, on the grounds we have nowhere else to go.

And telling us how we feel doesn't matter.

Doesn't take much to get to the hack within, I guess.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 05:20 PM | Reply

Bernie is a weak leader. His biggest disciples turned Judas Iscariot the second he didn't tell them exactly what they wanted to hear.

He's a good man to fight Trump until the Dems can pick someone for 2020.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-21 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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"expecting everybody else to tow the line"

That's rich.

Bernie should just do his thing and ignore the fee-fees of the alienated Hillary voters.

And let this sink in:

He's on a tour to promote his new book, and everyone seems to want his opinion on the election -- especially since, during the primaries, he won many of the key Midwestern counties against Clinton lost in the general election.
Hmm, interesting!

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-21 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now look at you, expecting everybody else to tow the line if Bernie takes over the Democrats, on the grounds we have nowhere else to go.

And telling us how we feel doesn't matter.

Doesn't take much to get to the hack within, I guess.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag

WOW That's exactly what Hillary supporters were demanding circa November 08 and before.

#13 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-21 05:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Go Bernie Go. Get rid of of all the hacks who railroaded you. Work towards bringing us the reforms this country needs.

#6 | POSTED BY BYRDMAN AT 2016-11-21 04:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Agian: Bernie Sanders was not a Democrat. He didn't put the work in to earn their support he declared himself a Democrat only to run for President, and the instant the election was over, he stopped being a member of the Democratic Party.

Bernie sanders wanted Democratic Party prestige without paying his dues first. He wasn't "railroaded", he was treated by the Democratic Party exactly as he treated them.

#14 | Posted by soheifox at 2016-11-21 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bernie should just do his thing and ignore the fee-fees of the alienated Hillary voters.

What part of "taking over the DNC" are you not getting? His people claim they want to be in charge of all Democrats.

That includes millions of us who voted for Hillary.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 05:45 PM | Reply

He's too old to run again, but he can still help the cause.

He should just form a "Bernie-approved" brand, that gives approval to candidates who closely match his ideology, and informs the voters about it. Voters are too busy to keep track of every legislator nationwide, but if Bernie does it for them, it could make a lot of difference.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-21 05:45 PM | Reply

How old is too old now? Trump will be 74 in 2020. Hillary will be 73. Maybe we'll get a 79-year-old Bernie too for another battle of the olds.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 06:21 PM | Reply

Bernie sanders wanted Democratic Party prestige without paying his dues first.

What prestige? Other than the DNC's rough result in the recent election, the Democratic party is the only major political party in western civilization to have survived their past support of human slavery.

#18 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-11-21 07:38 PM | Reply

It ended the way it began, with Bernie Sanders drawing huge energetic crowds and winning few votes from blacks and Hispanics. Sanders could never connect with the most vulnerable voters in the country. That fact alone doomed his campaign.

Those vast crowds seemed to have acted on Sanders like a kind of opiate, numbing him to the political reality of his campaign. The Sanders campaign staff had known for months that the senator had no path to victory. Sanders's top political hired-hacks took pleasure in plunging anonymous knives into their leader's back, while they polished up their resumés for a job with Team Clinton.

Running as an economic revolutionary, Sanders spent most of his time in the cozy milieu of college campuses instead of in desolate urban landscapes or working-class suburbs. It's hard to earn the trust of poor people when you don't spend much time in their company. Sanders didn't do much to endear himself to the American underclass.

Obama and Hillary Clinton are both neoliberals, who have betrayed organized labor and pushed job-killing trade pacts across the world. Hillary and Obama are simply manifestations of the power structure of the Democratic Party itself, which is unapologetically hawkish. Sanders curious timidity against confronting Obama's policies, from drone warfare to the president's bailout of the insurance industry (AKA ObamaCare), hobbled Sanders from the starting gate.

Sanders failed to land any punches against Hillary for her catastrophic Honduran and Libyan debacles. To the extent that the party machine suppressed the Sanders insurgency, it wasn't a matter of corruption but self-preservation. Sanders served the valuable function of energizing and registering on the Democratic Party rolls tens of thousands of new voters, who otherwise would have been content to stay at home playing Warcraft and Snapchatting about the latest Kardashian outrage.

The biggest threat that Sanders posed to the Democratic machine was his ability to raise independent money, and lots of it, outside of the party's control. The most recent tally shows that Sanders raised more than $212 million, a staggering amount, mostly from small online donors. He broke the money-dispensing monopoly of the DNC and deserves credit for that. Most of that cash went to those duplicitous consultants.

The most energetic political movement in the country right now is the combative Chicano-led masses stalking Trump and his racist retinue from venue-to-venue. Real political revolutions begin after the futility of the ballot box has been proven. Sustainable movements are driven by issues not personalities.

Your move, Sandernistas. (Jeffrey St Clair)

#19 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-11-21 07:50 PM | Reply

What prestige? Other than the DNC's rough result in the recent election, the Democratic party is the only major political party in western civilization to have survived their past support of human slavery.

#18 | Posted by GOnoles92

Yeah that's because everyone knows repubs saw the racist votes and said "HEY WE'LL TAKE THOSE!"

The dems washed their hands of the racists, and the repubs have rushed in to whisper sweet racism in their ear.

The DNC's lack of prestige comes from their corporate corruption - something republicans don't even have a problem with.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-21 07:51 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by rcade

Unfortunately, 4 years is a long time. Maybe there's someone younger out there who is capable of carrying Bernie's movement forward.

#21 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2016-11-21 08:38 PM | Reply

Bernie is a weak leader. His biggest disciples turned Judas Iscariot the second he didn't tell them exactly what they wanted to hear.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016

WAAAAAH WAAAH Bernie supporters didnt want a war with Russia and more wars in the middle east and more free trade and privatizing social security and didnt think someone who kept calling kissinger a good friend and takes his advice like hillary would make a great president.

BruceBanner

#22 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-11-21 09:00 PM | Reply

Bernie is a weak leader. His biggest disciples turned Judas Iscariot the second he didn't tell them exactly what they wanted to hear.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016

Weak leaders think they have to sell out to be competitive.

Strong leaders stick to their ethics and prove the weak leaders were wrong.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-21 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the Bernie Mafia," as they call themselves

Why would they use the word Mafia to describe themselves? Seems wrongheaded and shortsighted to me, especially in light of the fact that they descried what they called the "Clinton machine". Yeah, because the Bernie Mafia sounds so much more democratic, ethical and inclusive.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-21 11:22 PM | Reply

Then we have an excess of strong leadership speaksoftly

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-21 11:27 PM | Reply

Other than the DNC's rough result in the recent election, the Democratic party is the only major political party in western civilization to have survived their past support of human slavery.

You should retire this dumb talking point before using it again.

Anyone in the South knows that the Republicans were all too happy to take Southerners with the most bigoted attitudes into their party after LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed. Your party has been on the wrong side of Lincoln ever since.

#26 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-21 11:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

talk about an oxymoron. Bernie supporters got hosed from the word jump. Hill and the MSM leaked docs ala wikileaks show just how rigged the whole damn thing is...

#27 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2016-11-22 09:51 AM | Reply

Stein and Sanders supporters can't get through a single thread without using passive-aggressive flagging and ad hominem.

Weak as Eff.

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-22 05:53 PM | Reply

Stein and Sanders supporters can't get through a single thread without using passive-aggressive flagging and ad hominem.

Weak as Eff.

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner

I'm guessing it will continue until clinton supporters admit she was the wrong choice.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-22 05:55 PM | Reply

Yes. That must be it. Let's sit on that egg until it hatches.

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-11-22 06:26 PM | Reply

Right, Republican president, Senate, House, majority governorships, big majority state legislatures, but we should listen to Bruce when he says the Dems did all the right things with all the right people. lol

#31 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-11-22 06:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"mafia" sounds extremely investment-banker. I suspect this isn't a real movement, and certainly would never appeal to me personally.

It would seem that to anyone interested in factual reform Hillary's electoral nomination and forced installation as "the" candidate made the election distasteful, confusing and inventing reluctance to vote whatsoever, imo. The harsh reality is that their bait-and-switch failed, stunned the electorate and disenchanted the nations hopeful.

#32 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2016-11-22 08:08 PM | Reply

After what Democrats did to him, I hope he is successful!

I can't believe some of you Dems still voted for HRC after the Party F*cked him and HIS SUPPORTERS IN THE ASS!

Honestly, coming from a Trump supporter, I feel sorry for all the Bernie supporters that spent their time and money in support on him........just to find out it was fixed from the beginning

#33 | Posted by Maverick at 2016-11-22 09:06 PM | Reply

Honestly, coming from a Trump supporter, I feel sorry for all the Bernie supporters that spent their time and money in support on him........just to find out it was fixed from the beginning

#33 | Posted by Maverick

As a sanders supporter, I do think it was fixed for HRC, but i doubt it made the difference. Sanders lost because dem voters got to vote for a minority in 2008 and it made them feel like good people. They wanted to feel that again. First black man last time, first woman this time. They wanted to feel historic. They overlooked all her faults so they could pat themselves on the back and feel progressive. Bernie lost because he's an old white man, and much of the dem base has been shafted by old white men repeatedly in their lives. They weren't going to vote for one, even if he was the best for their own interests, policies, and agenda.

But the rigging of the primary will definitely make me despise the DNC till they drive the rats out and start working for the common man instead of big donors.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-22 09:23 PM | Reply

But the rigging of the primary will definitely make me despise the DNC till they drive the rats out and start working for the common man instead of big donors.

#34 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

If '20 ends up being more of the same will you consider voting 3rd Party?

No judgement on your answer - just curious.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-22 09:25 PM | Reply

If '20 ends up being more of the same will you consider voting 3rd Party?

No judgement on your answer - just curious.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ

I'm not voting for a corporate-owned candidate on either side ever again, and I'm not the only one.

On the flip side, when a non-corporate, ethically-principled candidate does emergy, I will supply both my vote and my money.

This has been a dark election leading us into likely a very dark time for america.
The only way it could possibly be any worse is if dems refuse to learn from this, and keep pursuing big donors instead of the morally right side of issues.
Hillary supporters let Trump claim the CHANGE mantle, instead of keeping it on the liberal side where it belongs. That's truly tragic.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-22 09:54 PM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's all cool.

Please understand I don't begrudge how you vote. We all have our reasons.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-22 10:00 PM | Reply

Because she picked a pro-TPP vice, whom are we to imagine the Democrat ticket were ever really courting? Have we been tricked? Was there a true bait and switch? Perhaps there never was a Bernie Sanders candidacy - the electoral made certain that strategy was exposed and seemed like delegates were already in the bag for Her, but the Sachs speech mocking Sanders' supporters desire for renewable energy doesn't really make Hillary Clinton an outright liar. It's also true that she hasn't been that forthcoming about denouncing TPP until late in it's inception, it's her indirect friendliness to it via those corporate hugs and kisses that really hurts. It's absolutely unethical of her to disparage our dreams of a oil-free world for profit, unless that money were donated immediately to a TPP divestment campaign, imo.

I have zero idea what special appeal Kane has over Sanders other than possibly not losing a Senate seat? If she kept Bernie on Hillary would probably have gotten every single one of the otherwise paralyzed votes.

Friends inform me Obama finally did Bill Maher!? I'm so excited to catch up on all of the televised pre-election energy and hoping he did it beautifully, thus instinct tells me there is a catch in his waiting so very, very long to communicate on perhaps the most informed television show with the most informed audience. It would seem like the perfect vehicle, unused until now - and I wonder how he will respond to the marijuana topic. I'm so curious to judge if the president of these United States, our first non-white of any significant percentage holding the highest office, who has achieved scholarships for obvious excellence and sailed through the highest education our elite system offers is really so freakin' afraid of Bill Maher?

#38 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2016-11-22 11:23 PM | Reply

They have to avoid alienating Hillary voters.

#4 | Posted by rcade

So you Hillary supporters have learned your lesson from giving Bernie supporters the finger?

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-22 11:33 PM | Reply

He wasn't "railroaded", he was treated by the Democratic Party exactly as he treated them.

How'd that work out for the DNC?

Unless Hillary voters have showed they've learned something these past few weeks (unlike Trump voters...) it'll be unnecessary chaos at a time when taking a Congressional chamber in 2018 is crucial.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-22 11:38 PM | Reply

But that could change by the time the '18 midterms roll around.

It has to.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-22 11:38 PM | Reply

I agree that it has to, but will it?

It would require a degree of honesty, humility and introspection that I haven't seen from the Democratic Party in quite a long time. This Tim Ryan guy is properly sounding the alarm. So is Bernie Sanders, although he's not a Democrat. It looks like the bet is that the GOP congress and Trump will fail so bad that we have another '10. I would give that bet 50/50 odds of success.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-22 11:43 PM | Reply

I would give that bet 50/50 odds of success.

That's being generous.

I think a big mistake in the punditry is that this was an anti-establishment year.

It's been an anti-establishment decade plus, as that is what garnered so much enthusiasm for Obama in both of his elections and why Dem voter enthusiasm was lacking this year while the Repubs shot par.

Unless the Dems stumble into the solution by going with the Warren wing of the party to get enough partial credit to win (I don't see them actually going through the introspection you mentioned and getting it right completely...) we'll see the Repubs maintain their grip on government in 2018 and produce the enthusiasm for the Dems by screwing it up as badly as I expect them to.

#44 | Posted by jpw at 2016-11-22 11:57 PM | Reply

JPW,

The ONLY way the GOP maintains its power past '18 depends on Ryan and to a lesser degree, McConnell.

Lotsa low-hanging fruit to help the economy and build political capital. Ryan's wet-dreams of making entitlements solvent will NEVER Happen without some Democratic support. This means real compromise. It will be an interesting 2 years, and hopefully in a good way.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-23 12:04 AM | Reply

"This Tim Ryan guy is properly sounding the alarm."

There's a movement going around among my fb friends to call up your Democratic Representative and ask him/her to get behind Ryan instead of Pelosi. I made that call, saying "It's time for a change."

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-23 12:09 AM | Reply

There's a movement going around among my fb friends to call up your Democratic Representative and ask him/her to get behind Ryan instead of Pelosi. I made that call, saying "It's time for a change."

Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-11-23 12:09 AM | Reply

THANK G=D!!!!!!!! Pelosi is such a windbag that whines.

#47 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-23 12:20 AM | Reply

I have zero idea what special appeal Kane has over Sanders other than possibly not losing a Senate seat? If she kept Bernie on Hillary would probably have gotten every single one of the otherwise paralyzed votes.

#38 | Posted by redlightrobot

Kane was selected so that if hillary died, the bankers would still have a puppet in the white house.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 01:06 PM | Reply

So you Hillary supporters have learned your lesson from giving Bernie supporters the finger?

I'm sick of this idiocy. Trump and his supporters are dumb enough to believe that but I had higher expectations of you.

Bernie Sanders and his supporters weren't given the finger.

I didn't give Bernie Sanders or his supporters the finger.

He lost a primary. I voted for somebody else but spoke well of Sanders here all the freaking time.

Sanders was treated as fairly as every other Democratic primary candidate the last 40 years.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-23 01:08 PM | Reply

Sanders was treated as fairly as every other Democratic primary candidate the last 40 years.

#49 | Posted by rcade

The DNC conspired with the frontrunner and media to sideline sanders. Has that happened to "every other Democratic primary candidate the last 40 years?"

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 01:16 PM | Reply

What you saw in DNC emails was minor stuff. They had no power to sabotage Sanders in state primaries. It was just politically involved people expressing political opinions.

If the RNC or Sanders campaign emails were hacked you'd find the same kind of talk.

Sanders took advantage of the rules of the game as much as Hillary did. He won in caucuses, which are anti-democratic because a lot of Democrats can't afford to stay around for hours just to vote.

He also broke his promise to stay in the Democratic Party after the election.

Stop pretending he's some innocent who was wronged. He's a 40-year pol who understands the game better than his tender little naif supporters.

#51 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-23 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

= his tender little naif supporters.

Apt description.

Particularly as to them being unable to follow his wise warning about not throwing away their votes in that election.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2016-11-23 01:32 PM | Reply

Particularly as to them being unable to follow his wise warning about not throwing away their votes in that election.

#52 | Posted by Corky

He also told them not to throw them away in the primary.

You're just like a conservative with the bible- Quote the parts you think help your case, and ignore the larger message about good vs evil.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 02:41 PM | Reply

He also broke his promise to stay in the Democratic Party after the election.

Stop pretending he's some innocent who was wronged. He's a 40-year pol who understands the game better than his tender little naif supporters.

#51 | Posted by rcade

Those tender little supporters are the ones you need to win elections. You can listen to them, or just mock them if you want to keep losing.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yeah, you've got all the answers. Our future as Democrats is a 74-year-old socialist who just quit the party again and the small number of his supporters who didn't have the sense to use their vote to stop Trump.

No one should listen to the 64.2 million people who voted for Hillary -- the largest group of all voters. Everything we believe is invalidated because of a Electoral College fluke and a couple hundred thousand white voters in the Rust Belt.

All that matters are the delicate sensibilities of the small number of Bernie dead-enders and Jill Stein leftists. None of the harm Trump will do to this country is relevant.

We must never forget that what's truly important about this election are your fee-fees.

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-23 03:02 PM | Reply

Yeah, you've got all the answers. Our future as Democrats is a 74-year-old socialist who just quit the party again and the small number of his supporters who didn't have the sense to use their vote to stop Trump.

No one should listen to the 64.2 million people who voted for Hillary -- the largest group of all voters. Everything we believe is invalidated because of a Electoral College fluke and a couple hundred thousand white voters in the Rust Belt.

All that matters are the delicate sensibilities of the small number of Bernie dead-enders and Jill Stein leftists. None of the harm Trump will do to this country is relevant.

We must never forget that what's truly important about this election are your fee-fees.

#55 | Posted by rcade

Sad that you still don't get it.

Sanders' support was for his ideas. Everything was stacked against him - party loyalty, age, ethnicity, gender, donors...
... and he STILL had more energy and passion filling his rallies than clinton. By a long shot.

Voters are so sick of sellout democrats that they were willing to rally around a 74 year old bald white male socialist.
And you think the solution to winning his supporters is to ignore their priorities?

The damage trump will do to the country is the result of dems ignoring which way the wind is blowing. Learn from your mistakes or they'll be repeated.

Lead or get out of the way.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... party loyalty, age, ethnicity, gender, donors ...

Hillary's 69. She didn't have an age advantage.

Hillary's a woman. No woman has ever been elected president. Suggesting her gender is an advantage is laughably ridiculous.

She had more donors. She's not Jewish. Big whoop!

Bernie lost because he didn't attract enough minority Democratic votes. His complaint about "identity politics" won't help endear him to black Democrats very much either.

He also lost because Hillary did far more work before the campaign to secure support from party leaders. She put in the time to work for them and build bridges.

Stop making excuses for Bernie that he never makes for himself.

#57 | Posted by rcade at 2016-11-23 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hillary's a woman. No woman has ever been elected president. Suggesting her gender is an advantage is laughably ridiculous.

#57 | Posted by rcade

Ignorant as hell. Even on your own website there were people saying it's "a woman's turn"

It might not be an advantage with conservatives, but liberals love voting for "the first _____ president"

"She had more donors. She's not Jewish. Big whoop!"
What does jewish have to do with anything? Her donors give to her because she does their bidding.

"He also lost because Hillary did far more work before the campaign to secure support from party leaders. She put in the time to work for them and build bridges."

Support from party leaders = lets the plutocrats use her as a puppet. You're right. They did. And the voters rejected her for it. Gonna learn from that lesson in 2020?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 06:43 PM | Reply

Support from party leaders = lets the plutocrats use her as a puppet. You're right. They did. And the voters rejected her for it. Gonna learn from that lesson in 2020?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-11-23 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag

They won't learn dear. They are beyond help.

#59 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2016-11-23 06:46 PM | Reply

I'm so sick and tired of fellow progressives who only sit behind keyboards and have zero idea how modern electoral politics actually works. Trump was able to build upon his already established media foundation to receive the most unpaid-for advertising in the history of politics. He dominated news cycle after news cycle and the media tripped over themselves to broadcast his next unhinged tweet or phone interview carried live on tv. He bullied and demeaned every person running against him while playing to and stoking the fears and misgivings of the very people normally taken advantage of by both parties that he was somehow different than everyone else.

Bernie can rail about identity politics all he wants, but his largest mistake was starting the process as an outsider of the Democratic Party. The party exists for a reason and one of its biggest concerns is supporting the politicians that support it. It's a symbiotic relationship borne of mutual understanding and the need for perpetual funding. Did the party initially oppose Bernie? Of course it did and it should have. Bernie's failure to realize that during the primaries you have to tailor your campaign toward the voters who can actually vote for you, not the public in general, cost him the nomination. With the early skew of primaries in states with large minority electorates in erstwhile red states, Bernie's initial fear of reaching out to blacks doomed his prospects even though he dominated in later more progressive states. Many primaries are closed for a reason: The parties are clubs that demand membership, not open debating societies trying to placate the non-supporting masses. A party's work is 24/7/365 because elections happen every year, not just once every four years for the presidency. If you don't want to work for the party's overall well-being outside of your own election, don't expect the party to kowtow to your wishes.

In 2008, Obama faced the same obstacles that Bernie did this year, but obviously the results were different. Obama succeeded where Bernie failed because his momentum forced the superdelegates over to his side from Hillary's. That wasn't going to happen for someone trying to undermine the foundation of the party for his own purposes, again because he didn't play to win when and where he needed to the most. Bernie was a more natural fit for blacks and progressives in general, but he spent too much time and energy trying to delegitimize the party instead of winning the key voters needed that would have allowed him to change it from within like Obama did. Hillary was never the choice of the rank and file union members and that played out in Trump's favor on election day. Bernie's faults remain as large as they've always been: Outsiders cannot win from the outside. Just like Trump, you have to come inside the party and take control through the process, at least until someone has the ultimate success of doing it a different way.

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-11-23 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#60 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2016-11-23 06:51 PM | REPLY

NW flag. Well stated.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-11-23 07:08 PM | Reply

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