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Monday, October 17, 2016

An Iraqi operation to recapture the city of Mosul, the last major stronghold of the so-called Islamic State (ISIS) in the country, has started. Artillery began firing on the city early on Monday, in a long-awaited assault from Kurdish peshmerga, Iraqi government and allied forces. Tanks are now moving towards the city, which has been held by IS since 2014. The start of the operation was announced by Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi in a televised address in the early hours of Monday (local time). "The hour of victory has come," he said.

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How many times are our troops going to take the same ground over again?

#1 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-17 02:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We shouldn't be in the Middle East.

Peace will only come through peace.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-10-17 02:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

We shouldn't be in the Middle East.

Peace will only come through peace.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-10-

Newsworthy and Amen!

#3 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2016-10-17 02:56 AM | Reply

#2

--------, we need to drone a few more villages, splatter a few more brown kids' entrails over the desert rocks, then we'll have peace.

#4 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-17 08:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#2: While I'd like to agree with you, human nature prevents this. As long as men seek to lord over other men, there will be no peace. Sticking daisies in the end of rifle barrels doesn't soften the hearts of blood-thirsty killers.

#5 | Posted by Daniel at 2016-10-17 09:20 AM | Reply

The Kurds, while not angels, are the only party to this conflict that we should even consider helping.

And it is a wonder that they still bother with us given how many knives we have sunk in the backs. Even now as we arm the Kurds we are also arming their anti-American, anti-Kurd jihadi factions who the Kurds may have to deal with some day.

#6 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-17 09:34 AM | Reply

Moderate rebels also seized Dabiq which is apparently a big symbolic and anti-daesh propaganda victory.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-17 11:07 AM | Reply

The ISIS online glossy mag is called DABIQ.

For the town's significance in the ISIS apocalyptic worldview, see www.bbc.com

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-10-17 11:24 AM | Reply

All roads lead through Constantinople.

Who we just pissed off over a covert coup attempt and we harbor the suggested leader of the failed coup.

What could go wrong...

#9 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-10-17 12:59 PM | Reply

Peace will only come through peace.

#2 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2016-10-17 02:49 AM | FLAG: | INCREDIBLY OPTIMISTIC AND NAIVE 1

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-10-17 02:03 PM | Reply

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"Who we just pissed off over a covert coup attempt and we harbor the suggested leader of the failed coup."

You believe any conspiracy theory as long as America is the bad guy in it. The U.S. had no interest in overthrowing Erdogan, our CIA and NSA were caught quite unaware of this coup attempt.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 06:42 PM | Reply

We'll win, then leave and the problem will begin again.

#12 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-10-17 06:47 PM | Reply

How many times are our troops going to take the same ground over again?

#1 | Posted by Crassus

You and Prolax should get out of that bubble and get some fresh air once in a while.

"Our Troops" are not taking Mosul this time.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-17 06:54 PM | Reply

17 02:49 AM | FLAG: | INCREDIBLY OPTIMISTIC AND NAIVE 1

#10 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2016-10-17 02:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I agree with Clownshack we should not be in the Middle East, but I doubt leaving now will end the hostility anytime soon. Maybe 1000 years from now.

#14 | Posted by cbob at 2016-10-17 07:04 PM | Reply

"Our Troops" are not taking Mosul this time.

They didn't take it the first time either.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-10-17 07:14 PM | Reply

My co-worker was telling me about a screenplay he is thinking of writing.

Act 1: The opening scene will have an actor portraying Obama pacing back and forth in the Oval Office complaining to his worried top aides that they must take extreme action to fight the Daesh threat. The situation has gotten completely out of control. He needs outside-the-box strategies. But the Generals and Admirals nervously avoid making eye contact with the President. Instead, they stare at the floor determined not to be the first to speak up. After several tense moments one of them finally fearfully suggests unleashing our greatest weapon. At first Obama is horrified by the mere suggestion. Fear grips the room But no one else has any other ideas. Slowly President Obama nods his head in agreement. Almost like a prayer, under his breath he mutters, "so it begins".

Act 2: 2 guys chasing a runaway piano as it rolls down a hill with a third guy stuck on top of it furiously waving his arms and saying "woo woo woo woo". Then a large ominous shadow and the sound of approaching military helicopters arriving on scene. The Copters land in perfect formation. Immediately several very bad-ass SEALs, Green Berets and Rangers, all armed to the teeth, jump out. Lastly, the top General, wearing a long trench coat and reflecting sunglasses steps out onto the location in all his military splendor. He barks, "Moe, Larry, Curly!! Your nation needs you." The camera pans right. We hear someone complaining "why youse guys" and "I oughta...". After joinking each other in the eyes and bonking each other on the head a few times, our heroes finally come into clear focus.

The Three Stooges vs. ISIS. Coming soon to a theatre or a warzone near you.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-10-17 07:14 PM | Reply

www.americanthinker.com

Very interesting

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2016-10-17 08:10 PM | Reply

I see this situation where Humpty Dumpty is sitting on this wall, then we have an election and Humpty jumps off the wall. They we complain because the person elected couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. We gave a President an impossible task and wonder why he couldn't do it. Perhaps we should look to the President who pushed Humpty Dumpty off that wall.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 08:17 PM | Reply

We do need strong leadership now to defeat ISIS which is the expected result of the Iraq invasion. Obama is at least determined to do that and that isn't, at all, the presidency he wanted.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 08:19 PM | Reply

#17 is pretty hysterical.

I liked this part. "The U.S., the Saudis, and others not only permitted, but also funded and protected the rise of ISIS."

Specifically, how he didn't say Obama, because it extends far into prior administrations. Nor did he say Israel (those are the "others").

Also, this line is ridiculous. "Obama, who has all but declared Israel to be on its own if push comes to shove."

Nobody in the region can actually threaten Israel with much credibility. Which leaves Russia. Which is where your "all but" comes in.

Obama is not going unilaterally abandon 75 years of unblinking American support for Israel as a foil to Russian influence in the Middle East.

Trump might, though. Everything is open to negotiation.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 08:33 PM | Reply

Trump might, though. Everything is open to negotiation.

#20 | Posted by snoofy

If he tries that, they may have to show him the real story of the JFK assassination.

#21 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2016-10-17 08:56 PM | Reply

Danni - we got caught. We had plausible deniability, but we got caught. We are now finding Charter Schools here in the US that were supporting the cause. One here in Los Angeles is being decertified because it lied about who they were hiring. The Administration was very pro-Gulen and only hired Gulen supporters, H-1B no less because they could not find any qualified American teachers.

#13 - You don't know that Constantinople is Turkey do you.

That's okay mommies little man...

#22 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-10-17 09:00 PM | Reply

#13 - then there is always this.

www.theguardian.com

Don't cry, dry your eyes, Abuela says it Okay.

It's Okay...

#23 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-10-17 09:04 PM | Reply

"Danni - we got caught. We had plausible deniability, but we got caught. We are now finding Charter Schools here in the US that were supporting the cause. One here in Los Angeles is being decertified because it lied about who they were hiring. The Administration was very pro-Gulen and only hired Gulen supporters, H-1B no less because they could not find any qualified American teachers."

American foreign policy was run from a Charter School? Who knew? Hilarious! Ridiculous! Go peddle your utter nonsense elsewhere. That's simply stupid.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 09:09 PM | Reply

"You don't know that Constantinople is Turkey do you. "

I can honestly say, I knew about Constininople while you had no idea where it even was.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 09:10 PM | Reply

"Obama is not going unilaterally abandon 75 years of unblinking American support for Israel as a foil to Russian influence in the Middle East."

No he won't but too many here would consider it as an option. I will say though, the Israelis need to understand how many Americans are considering that option and they should alter their behavior, as in settlements, or they will ---- themselves. Sorry for the curse word but that it what hard line Zionists are doing to Israel.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-17 09:13 PM | Reply

Danni - you hear of logistics and funding? Most coups have outside support as this one did. Agents acting as teachers is not uncommon.

Constantinople was for Donner. And I've been there. Was in the Blue Mosque for midday prayer. Bought my wife's ring in the Grand Bazaar. Very cool.

But you must have been offended and did not see straight.

That's okay,

#27 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-10-17 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many times are our troops going to take the same ground over again?

Our troops aren't doing the taking; we are assisting the Iraqis and Kurds which is the way it should be. It's their country. Let them do the fighting and dying to take back their territory.

Spinning up the Iraqi military to be able to take on an operation of this magnitude has been a time consuming process. It left Obama open for major criticism from people that have more testosterone than they have sense. Those that criticized Obama for his approach would have preferred to risk American lives to protect Iraqis that weren't willing to protect themselves.

The confidence and capability that the Iraqis will gain as a result of this activity will enable them to protect themselves and be a bulwark against extremism when it rears its head again.

#28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2016-10-18 05:42 AM | Reply

Peace will only come through peace.

#2 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2016-10-17 02:49 AM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1 | NEWSWORTHY 1: Go tell that to the MUSLIM TERRORISTS

List of Islamist terrorist attacks en.wikipedia.org

ps: I gave the FF for your comment.

#29 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-10-18 12:34 PM | Reply

When the US and allies invade Mosul, the million-plus residents are not portrayed as victims of American airstrikes and Iraqi government ground assaults. Instead, the civilians are said to be eagerly awaiting liberation from the Islamic State terrorists and their head-chopping brutality. Meanwhile, the Western media condemns the relentless Russian-backed Syrian government assault on neighborhoods of east Aleppo held by Al Qaeda.

When U.S.-backed offensive kills a number of Mosul's civilians, including children, The New York Times' readers have been hardened to accept this "collateral damage" as necessary to free the city from blood-thirsty extremists. The fight to crush these crazies is worth it, even if there are significant numbers of civilians killed in the "cross-fire." When the US leveled Fallujah, the Western media portrayed the innocent civilian victims as "human shields", as if insurgents were responsible. This is all standard procedure in war. (Robert Parry)

#30 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-10-18 03:37 PM | Reply

What will Donny do now that Mosul will be retaken before his grand presidency?

He will claim the victory as his own saying it was the threat of Donny of Orange riding on the barrell of an M-1 Abrams leading the charge that caused ISIS to run.

#31 | Posted by 726 at 2016-10-18 04:06 PM | Reply

What will Donny do now that Mosul will be retaken before his grand presidency?

He will say the Battle was Rigged somehow by the Liberal Media to make him look bad, of course.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-18 05:50 PM | Reply

Capture Mosul, occupy it with Shia forces using American equipment, backed by the USAF. Sure, why not, it worked great last time.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-10-19 08:23 AM | Reply

#13 - then there is always this.
www.theguardian.com
Don't cry, dry your eyes, Abuela says it Okay.
It's Okay...

#23 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

The US Troops are just there to "ensure accuracy," just like banks record phone calls "for training purposes."

#34 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-19 03:59 PM | Reply

#9

Gulen fled after he was threatened by Erdogan following Gulen's accusations of corruption in Erdogan's government that led to dozens of arrests, with large cash caches found in suspect's homes.

The U.S. does not believe he had anything to do with the Turkish coup attempt.

#35 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-19 07:14 PM | Reply

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