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Sunday, October 16, 2016

Republican vice presidential candidate Mike Pence said evidence implicates Russia in recent email hacks tied to the U.S. election, contradicting his running mate, Donald Trump, who cast doubt on Russia's involvement. Pence said in an interview aired on "Fox News Sunday" that Russia or any other country involved in hacking should face "severe consequences." The disagreement with Trump, the Republican nominee for the Nov. 8 election, came after the pair also publicly disagreed about U.S. policy toward Russia in Syria. "I think there's no question that the evidence continues to point in that direction," Pence said.

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If you've got the attention span, this interview about cybersecurity is pretty good.

John Carlin, who is about to step down as assistant attorney general for national security, discusses terrorism and cyber security.

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-10-16 03:22 PM | Reply

The real issue is what do the emails say and imply. Something the Clinton's do not want you to think about. THUS Russia, Russia! Russia.

#2 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-10-16 04:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The hackers and Wikileaks both seem motivated to interfere with the US election, apparently in the hope of having Trump elected. These actors are either holding animus toward HRC independent of what others think, say or do, or they are acting in concert with some other person. Imagine if those leakers have struck a deal with Trump. The prospect of a US presidential candidate colluding with a foreign power so as to win the seat, and then deliver on their part of some quid pro quo is as traitorous (and dangerous) as can occur. A public hanging of those involved would be too good a punishment...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2016-10-16 05:05 PM | Reply

- what do the emails say and imply.

Or have been edited to say or imply.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-16 05:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#3. Or they're trying to appear as though they are actively helping him to create doubts and tarnish him by association.

#5 | Posted by americanPLY at 2016-10-16 05:31 PM | Reply

"Something the Clinton's do not want you to think about"

Russia has done enough and is doing enough for one to make a decision on who to trust if you're choosing between Russia and the USA.

It's foolish to think our leaders will just say everything they know and think. We have an unprecedented amount of information on the Clintons. There is no reason to buy into these conspiracy theories.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-10-16 06:45 PM | Reply

RINO!!! RINO!!! RINO!!! I bet he believes Russia had something to do with the Russian invasion of Georgia, the Russian Missile that shot down the airliner and the war in the Ukraine.

He's just another warmonger who wants a nuclear war. Just like Bernie Sanders.

------------ Appeasement Monkeys, DR Division.

#7 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-16 07:25 PM | Reply

This is BS, but it's nice seeing everyone trying to attack Russia, it's just too humorous but it fits Hillary's narrative.

#8 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 09:38 PM | Reply

"This is BS, but it's nice seeing everyone trying to attack Russia, it's just too humorous but it fits Hillary's narrative."

Crassus calling Mike Pence, well known liberal, a liar is just too priceless.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-16 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I am not calling pence anything, I am calling the story that Russia did this false, it is made up to deflect for Hillary's failure of email and server. It is just a deflection from our government, particularly this administration and its failure to protect our security.

#10 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 09:55 PM | Reply

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I am calling the story that Russia did this false

Who did it?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-16 10:08 PM | Reply

Hillary's email server wasn't hacked as far as anyone knows. The hacked emails came from other servers/accounts. They would have been better off letting Hillary secure their email/files.

#12 | Posted by bored at 2016-10-16 10:09 PM | Reply

Blah blah blah!

Just more deflections.

#13 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 10:12 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY CRASSUS AT 2016-10-16 10:12 PM | REPLY | FLAG:Putin's spokesthing.

#14 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-16 10:16 PM | Reply

U.S. officials have said they believe those attacks were orchestrated by hackers backed by the Russian government

Believe and probable is just maybe or we think....

#15 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 10:20 PM | Reply

Aw, watsa matter NG3, can't manage to make a substantial post, the mind is a terrible thing to waste!

#16 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 10:21 PM | Reply

Money- - your man Pence is going full RINO.

Pence said he would not have disparaged the women who have accused Drumpf, even while defending Drumpf against the accusations.
"I wouldn't say anything to disparage any woman who believes they've had an experience like this. But Donald Drumpf's made it clear that these allegations are categorically false," Pence said Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press.

Pence also sought to play down his running mate's rhetoric about the 2016 campaign's being "rigged." Drumpf has been under fire in recent days for his insistence that the 2016 campaign election is fixed and for telling his supporters to monitor polling places on Election Day. Drumpf's critics say this could lead to violence and voter suppression.

"We will absolutely accept the result of the election. Look, the American people will speak in an election that will culminate on November the eighth," Pence told host Chuck Todd.

Maybe he's hoping for a position in Hillary's cabinet? It's obvious that's the only way he'll ever get into the WH, other than on a paid tour.

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-16 10:53 PM | Reply

Addressing these issues is idiotic and you all know it.

Just keep bantering it out there and ignore what we really need to be talking about, it is how progressives work.

#18 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-16 11:24 PM | Reply

Crassus
Who did it?
Cant' say? Then blow away, windbag.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 12:41 AM | Reply

If this is true then it's all-the-more reason to be hyper-vigilant with government email and other communications.

I guess Hillary will have to move her basement server to Epstein's pedophile-island if she's elected. Maybe she can funnel some influence to Obama under his chosen pseudonym so he and Michelle can follow the Clinton-path of influence-peddling to try and position Michelle for a POTUS run.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-17 12:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If this is true then it's all-the-more reason to be hyper-vigilant with government email and other communications.

What sort of policy is that advocating?
You're not asking for a more robust investigation of how these private emails became public, are you?
Then what?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 12:46 AM | Reply

#21

My expectation is that basic protocols be followed. The furthest from that expectation occurred with Clinton as SoS and, to a lesser degree, Obama as POTUS.

I was about to compile a partial-list of transgressions that would be deeply troubling, at best, to anyone but a partisan-hack (not calling you that, BTW) but said list is so long, even in partial form, that I don't have the energy necessary to chronicle even a portion of it.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-17 12:52 AM | Reply

My expectation is that basic protocols be followed. The furthest from that expectation occurred with Clinton as SoS and, to a lesser degree, Obama as POTUS.

What? What "basic protocols?" Do you think that matters more than the law?
You're just making up stuff now, and trying to make it sound fancy, as best I can tell.

You know what you actually sound like, is a Bush voter in 2000 saying they want to restore "dignity" to the White House, after Clinton did some naughty things with an intern. There's no political issue there. Just ---- shaming by proxy.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 12:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What? What "basic protocols?" Do you think that matters more than the law?

No. Poor choice of words on my part. I think the LAW should be followed and it clearly wasn't. This breach went all of the way to Obama himself which guaranteed that nothing was ever going to happen to Clinton.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-17 12:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anybody with a bit of sense is going to weigh the cost of complying with the law vs the benefit of skirting it.

Is that not what they should do in government? It's what they do in business.

As I recall, the "protocol" for Secretary of State email has changed, since Clinton left that office. You should probably thank her. Of course, maybe you'd rather thank her predecessor, who also used private email. Or go bi-partisan and thank them both.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 01:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25

If you are going to be that disingenuous about what she did than this conversation is over.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-17 01:04 AM | Reply

What did she do?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 01:12 AM | Reply

The law has to apply to all Americans, those high and those low. The rich and the poor. If they arent, they are not laws to begin with. Only tools to subjugate and enslave the populace. Kinda like how the Cali Senate passed more restrictive guns controls in an open session, closed their doors and passed a second law exempting the Senate themselves from the very law they had passed hours earlier. Thats not true democracy. If the DOJ prosecutes a sailor for taking home 7 pics of a Submarine engine, and sentences him to prison for it, but exempts an elected official that keeps classified information at her home from the law, then there is something wrong with the law.

Unless of course you believe we are all equal, but some are just more equal than others...

#28 | Posted by aescal at 2016-10-17 01:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kinda like how the Cali Senate passed more restrictive guns controls in an open session, closed their doors and passed a second law exempting the Senate themselves from the very law they had passed hours earlier.

Sounds like a separation of powers issue to me. Like when people use to smoke in the Congressional lunch room long after there was a Federal workplace smoking ban Because that ban, passed by Congress, only applies to the Executive branch.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 01:34 AM | Reply

A lowly sailor has no need for classified information.
A Secretary of State obviously does, and we live in a world where people take work home with them.

Beyond that, your point is just wrong.
You said The law has to apply to all Americans, those high and those low.
A sailor is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
That's not the DOJ.
Deal with it.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 01:36 AM | Reply

Unless of course you believe we are all equal, but some are just more equal than others...

Do we need to go over that UCMJ thing again?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 01:38 AM | Reply

A lowly sailor has no need for classified information.

How ignorant does one get? Secretary of State don't build our secret program stuff.

Obviously you have no knowledge of how clearances work. Not a big deal though, most of the nation is in the same boat.

#32 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-17 02:32 AM | Reply

You should probably thank her. Of course, maybe you'd rather thank her predecessor, who also used private email.

Depends on what you mean by private, and Hillary's private wasn't the same as the others but I guess you purposely leave that out to fit the narrative.

#33 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-17 02:41 AM | Reply


If you are going to be that disingenuous about what she did than this conversation is over.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-17 01:04 AM | Reply | Flag

There is never a chance these partisan posters will ever admit the laws broken by Hillary. They will deflect, obscure, lie and never admit wrong doing. EVER!

It is about party, who cares about the security of the nation. They have no idea about clearances and security, it is beyond them.

#34 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-17 02:47 AM | Reply

What actual crime did you have in mind, and what's the appropriate punishment?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-17 04:08 AM | Reply

Or have been edited to say or imply.

#4 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2016-10-16 05:12 PM

Unfortunately for this deflection Wikileaks provides the source code for each email, which is readily checked against server copies, and to date no emails have been shown to have been alerted from the server code.

Say blissfully unaware and compliant Corky, it suits you well.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2016-10-17 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Catdog @ #3: We don't need Wikileaks. The main stream corporate media will inform us completely so that we have everything it takes to make informed decisions--not only for ourselves, but for the lives of people living in burned out cities all over the world!
Sure O'Riley is a bully, but behind that is a real principled gentleman. Sure Rachael is really smart and able to see behind strictly partisan postures, she is only a partisan on t.v. because she has to be to keep her job! And in any case, she will slip us the real stuff when her bosses aren't looking.
They're all fair and balanced--products of what is best in Western Culture. We can trust them. They, as the AP editorial policy states, "are vigilant watchdogs of the public interest." Take my word for it; we can trust them.
My parent's generation, born after the turn of the Century, used to tell us every day, "Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers." And they meant well, but we've gotten way beyond them today and we know better, right?
We don't need Wikileaks.
JWC

#37 | Posted by JayClark at 2016-10-18 12:32 PM | Reply

Rightofcenter: you've got to stop looking at the facts; it ain't American, not anymore. Today it's all about parties and the nation is accordingly divided, deeply divided.
And, by the way, you need to be careful not to fall into this pit as well. No partial perspective has the imprimatur of God who stands above both Left and Right.
The "certainty" of either side cut off from what is best in the other side is a stupid unthinking sham--and dangerous to the Republic which is, or was, made up of one "People."
JWC

#38 | Posted by JayClark at 2016-10-18 12:40 PM | Reply

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