Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, October 13, 2016

Donald Trump has issued an apology for the United States-led NATO bombing campaign on Serbian troops during Bill Clinton's presidency. U.S. and NATO allies launched aerial campaigns against the faltering Yugoslav regime, targeting ethnic Serb troops, in 1995 and 1999. The first attack was carried out in support of groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina, seeking independence from Belgrade, while the second was in support of similar forces in Kosovo. "The bombing of Serbs, who were our allies in both world wars, was a big mistake," Trump told the Serbian magazine Nedeljnik.

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The violent collapse of Yugoslavia saw ethnic Serb militias engage in ethnic cleansing against predominantly Muslim groups in the former Yugoslavia. The bombings caused hundreds of civilian casualties but also stopped the advance of Serb troops.

Eric Gordy, professor in Southeast European Politics at University College London, said Trump's words echo the tactic used by the Russian government to cultivate support among Serbs.

"The most obvious interpretation of his statement is that it is another sign of alignment with Russia," he said. "To be honest, this kind of statement is usually more a symbolic attempt for Russian politicians to drum up resentment towards the U.S."

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Where is the "Apology in Chief" calls from the Conservatives?

#1 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-10-13 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This blows my mind.

#2 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2016-10-13 01:34 PM | Reply

So, we can put Donald down as being in favor of ethnic cleansing. He HAS learned something from Pootin after all.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This and Kuwait were the only US Mil engagements of significance that didn't end in disaster.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2016-10-13 01:36 PM | Reply

*recent

#5 | Posted by bored at 2016-10-13 01:36 PM | Reply

Bombing Serbia was wrong. And the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there.

Trump could care less about Serbs and is saying this to make the Clintons look bad (duh). The "he's trying to please Russia!" stuff is just a silly ploy from Hillary supporters - unnecessary too as Trump is done anyway.

But it doesn't speak well for American morality that simply saying it was wrong to bomb people who weren't bothering us is controversial.

#6 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But it doesn't speak well for American morality that simply saying it was wrong to bomb people who weren't bothering us is controversial.
#6 | POSTED BY SULLY

You obviously miss the irony.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-10-13 01:51 PM | Reply

It's the non presidential apology tour for things we shouldn't be apologizing for.

The serbs killed 100,000 muslims in 3 years. Compared to the 18,000 killed by ISIS in 7 years, ISIS really is the JV Team.

#8 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-10-13 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there.

Truly diluted.

Widespread ethnic cleansing accompanied the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992–95), large numbers of Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks) and Bosnian Croats were forced to flee their homes and were expelled by Bosnian Serbs;[1] and some Bosnian Croats also carried out similar campaign against Bosniaks and Serbs.

Also, Bosnian Muslims conducted similar acts against Croats, especially in Central Bosnia.[2] However, the scale of crimes carried out by Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims were significantly smaller than those by Bosnian Serbs.

Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 ppeople by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in other European countries.[3][4]

The methods used during the Bosnian ethnic cleansing campaigns included "murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extra-judicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, and wanton destruction of property".[5]

en.wikipedia.org

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-people who weren't bothering us

Ethnic cleansing bothers some of us, no matter where it occurs, fortunately. Others not so much I guess.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 01:56 PM | Reply

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"And the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there."

Yup, them Muslims were stuffing women and children into barns and setting them on fire. Except they were so good at it nobody ever found evidence of it. The Serbs, not so much. Or maybe the whole Yugoslavia thing never happened. Like 9/11. I get it, it was some massive UN plot that even suckered the Russians in.

I guess Sully thinks we need to apologize to that nice Mr. Hitler for interrupting his "Clean a Jew" program. And Pol Pot, for just trying to reduce his urban crowding problem.

And the Appeasement Monkey parade marches on. Bananas for everyone!

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 02:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-Appeasement Monkey

Funny how they can run away and eat bananas at the same time... hey, watch out for that peel!!

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 02:11 PM | Reply

Putin's puppet.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2016-10-13 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But it doesn't speak well for American morality that simply saying it was wrong to bomb people who weren't bothering us is controversial.
#6 | Posted by Sully

It was a NATO action, stupid head.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Putin's puppet.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2016-10-13 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

With the Donald, it's all about "how does it benefit me?"

I would imagine that he calculates marketing ROI to help him plan his pro-Putin comments for maximum benefit to his Russian investments.

#15 | Posted by cbob at 2016-10-13 02:42 PM | Reply

It's odd. Obama going on his world apology tour (which was an abysmal failure, btw) was lauded by many of the partisan fools here. Yet this retard trump apologizes for yet another military misadventure, and the same partisan tools have a problem with apologizing for our military misadventures and aggression.

So strange.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2016-10-13 02:52 PM | Reply

Obama going on his world apology tour (which was an abysmal failure, btw

Yeah.
Trump is just so much better than Obama.
Trump is even a better apologizer than Obama.
Trump for Apologizer in Chief!

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:57 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

UN court dismisses Croatia and Serbia genocide claims

www.bbc.com

Get with the times, Dummies. The myths of the 90's have largely been debunked.

Although it is amusing to watch how lathered up you clowns get when your estrosterone gets pumping...

#18 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:01 PM | Reply

So strange.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne

It is indeed odd.

Trump actually thinks he as the authority to apologize for anything other than his
own deviant behavior.

Strange days indeed.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 03:05 PM | Reply

Milosevic Aquitted

www.globalresearch.ca

No genocide against the Croats. No genocide against the Kosovars.

As found by international courts.

#20 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:10 PM | Reply

-Get with the times, Dummies.

Get with the definitions, Stupid.

Ethnic cleansing in and of itself is not considered genocide.

Ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide. These terms are not synonymous, yet the academic discourse considers both as existing in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or 'population transfer' whereas genocide is the "intentional murder of part or all of a particular ethnic, religious, or national group."[7] The idea in ethnic cleansing is "to get people to move, and the means used to this end range from the legal to the semi-legal."[8] Some academics consider genocide as a subset of "murderous ethnic cleansing."[9] Thus, these concepts are different, but related, "literally and figuratively, ethnic cleansing bleeds into genocide, as mass murder is committed in order to rid the land of a people."[10]

from the above link you didn't read

The myth of you being so much smarter than anyone else around here, created by you, has been thoroughly debunked... by you.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:10 PM | Reply

"UN court dismisses Croatia and Serbia genocide claims"

Perhaps Sully should get with the times...that link was from 3 February 2015.

On 24 March 2016, former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić and the first president of the Republika Srpska, was found guilty of genocide in Srebrenica, war crimes and crimes against humanity, 10 of the 11 eleven charges in total, and sentenced to 40 years' imprisonment.[15][16]

www.nytimes.com

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dang Sully, are you apologizing for ethnic cleansing now?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:15 PM | Reply

v

He's too busy helping Ray stock his bunker with Glenn Beck's survival foods because Hillary to let a little thing like his hero's conviction of silly old war crimes (just locker-room genocide, btw) interrupt him.

Besides, it's hard to be a Trumpeter appeasement monkey if you have to accept that sometimes America does the right thing.

#24 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The bombing of Serbia was sold to Americans using genocide.

"Ethnic cleansing" was the goal of the both sides in those wars - moving out the opposing population.

I'm not defending ethnic cleansing so much as I'm saying that we had no reason to intervene.

Inherent in picking any side of that war is a pro-ethnic cleansing position. The Serbs were not doing anything that their opponents were not. They were mostly guilty of winning.

#25 | Posted by sully at 2016-10-13 03:22 PM | Reply

Yet this retard trump apologizes for yet another military misadventure,

I'm pretty sure you can see a little bit of a difference between lying yourself into a war of aggression and joining a UN supported NATO mission to stop documented ethnic cleansing and genocide. Or is that kind of thing a "misadventure" to you?

#26 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:23 PM | Reply

The myth of you being so much smarter than anyone else around here, created by you, has been thoroughly debunked... by you.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've only claimed to be much smarter than you, which doesn't even necessarily make me average.

I would say "get it right" but that would be an unfair expectation given your low intelligence and fondenss for lying.

#27 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:25 PM | Reply

- The Serbs were not doing anything that their opponents were not.

Complete anti-historic BS.

".... the scale of crimes carried out by Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims were significantly smaller than those by Bosnian Serbs." from the same link

This ethnic cleansing was initiated and carried out on a large scale with great enthusiasm by the Bosnian Serbs. To say that the Muslims were "doing the same thing" is absurd.

But hey, we get that once you've made one stupid claim based on your Hillary Hate, there will be a flood more coming.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm saying that we had no reason to intervene.

NATO membership was the reason. Unless you accept appeasement as a military policy, when you are required to assist your allies, you do it. Same reason so many NATO allies sent troops to save Dubya's --- in Afghanistan.

NATO's objectives in relation to the conflict in Kosovo were set out in the Statement issued at the Extraordinary Meeting of the North Atlantic Council held at NATO on 12 April 1999 and were reaffirmed by Heads of State and Government in Washington on 23 April 1999:

a verifiable stop to all military action and the immediate ending of violence and repression;
the withdrawal from Kosovo of the military, police and paramilitary forces;
the stationing in Kosovo of an international military presence;
the unconditional and safe return of all refugees and displaced persons and unhindered access to them by humanitarian aid organisations;
the establishment of a political framework agreement for Kosovo on the basis of the Rambouillet Accords, in conformity with international law and the Charter of the United Nations.

Seems pretty clear to me. Impartially speaking.

#29 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:28 PM | Reply

-I've only claimed to be much smarter than you,

And have yet to prove it, by a long shot.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:29 PM | Reply

#18 NATO intervened in the Kosovo and Bosnia conflicts, where there were documented massacres of civilians. Swing and a miss.
The ICJ majority vote also determined that the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia was an instance of "humanitarian intervention"

#31 | Posted by bored at 2016-10-13 03:30 PM | Reply

I'm not defending ethnic cleansing so much as I'm saying that we had no reason to intervene.

Since when have we needed a reason? I mean, what reason did we need to intervene in WWII? Time's Teutonic Man Of The Year had no dreams of American conquest. Japan wasn't a threat to our pineapple plantation either.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:31 PM | Reply

"humanitarian intervention"

Isn't in the Isolationist Playbook. And the fact that a Clinton was involved? Why that's proof it wasn't ethnic cleansing or genocide and the UN doesn't count!!

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:32 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

What was the goal of the anti-Serb forces if not to purge territory of Serbs?

Sayig the Serbs were guilty on a larger scale is just acknowledging that they were winning.

The other side doesn't lay claim to the moral high ground because they were less effective at ethnic cleansing.

#34 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:33 PM | Reply

I'm not defending ethnic cleansing so much as I'm saying that we had no reason to intervene.

The Serbs were not doing anything that their opponents were not. They were mostly guilty of winning.

#25 | Posted by sully

You appear to trying to rewrite history.

The first casualty in war is the truth.

In war atrocities can occur on both sides.

Only one side appeared to attempt genocide.

The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide[7][8][9][10][11][12] (Bosnian: Masakar u Srebrenici; Genocid u Srebrenici), was the genocidal[13][14][15] killing, in July 1995, of more than 8,000[1][16][17][18][19] Muslim Bosniaks, mainly men and boys, in and around the town of Srebrenica during the Bosnian War.

The killings were perpetrated by units of the Bosnian Serb Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić. The Scorpions, a paramilitary unit from Serbia, who had been part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991, also participated in the massacre.[6][20] In April 1993 the United Nations (UN) had declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica -- in the Drina Valley of northeastern Bosnia -- a "safe area" under UN protection. However, in July 1995, UNPROFOR's 370[21] Dutchbat soldiers in Srebrenica failed to prevent the town's capture by the VRS -- and the subsequent massacre.[22][23][24][25]

In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the case of Prosecutor v. Krstić, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in the Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave's male inhabitants constituted genocide, a crime under international law.[26] The ruling was also upheld by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in 2007.[27] The forcible transfer and abuse, of between 25,000 and 30,000 Bosniak women, children and elderly which accompanied the massacre was found to constitute genocide, when accompanied with the killings and separation of the men.[28][29]

en.wikipedia.org

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

poor northguy gets to hold the varsity jacket that Hillary gave to corky while sully batters him around...

#36 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2016-10-13 03:33 PM | Reply

But hey, we get that once you've made one stupid claim based on your Hillary Hate, there will be a flood more coming.

#28 | POSTED BY CORKY

Sully used t be one of the more unbiased Retorters, but since he stuck his head up that trumprump, the obvious lack of oxygen has done serious damage. I'm just waiting for him to apologize to Russia for opposing the Warsaw Pact and, indeed, Russia's annexation of all its neighbors. And for intervening in WW2. After all, we really didn't need all those far East bases, so we actually deserved Pearl Harbor. The navy should just have bugged out and run back to San Diego.

#37 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The ICJ majority vote also determined that the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia was an instance of "humanitarian intervention"

#31 | Posted by bored at 2016-10-13 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Humanitarian bombings.

You idiots will believe anything.

#38 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:35 PM | Reply

-I've only claimed to be much smarter than you

Of course, I'm, not the one who had to be publically educated on the difference between ethnic cleansing and genocide, then corrected by another poster on the conviction for genocide of Karadžić.

That would be you.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:35 PM | Reply

He's calling you guys Dummies and idiots, but claiming he's only said he's smarter than me.

He's gotta lotta Trump in him.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:37 PM | Reply

"Putin's puppet."

Putin's useful idiot.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 03:37 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was posted already and doesn't actually refute the comment quote your referenced.

#42 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:37 PM | Reply

poor northguy gets to hold the varsity jacket that Hillary gave to corky while sully batters him around...

Sully isn't battering anyone around, Chair. he's a peacenik appeasement monkey now. He admits russia is no threat to us but wants to surrender anyhow. When he goes to the grocery store he even surrenders to the russian dressing.

#43 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:38 PM | Reply

No doubt Trump is issuing his apology after 15 years at this particular to distract form Pussycat. Will it work?

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 03:39 PM | Reply

#36

101 parachuted into Bosnia to save the Muslims. The results of his chute never fully opening is what you see in his posts today.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:39 PM | Reply

- Will it work?

It has on Sully.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:40 PM | Reply

You idiots will believe anything.

I believe Europe has a vested interest in stopping ethic cleansing within Europe.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky is too dumb to realize that his outraged "Oh, the nerve for him to think he's smarter than me!" comments just amount to his own claim of superior intelligence. If he didn't think he's smarter than me then he'd have no reason to be upset, no?

An inability to avoid looking like a hypocite is a sign of low IQ.

But thanks for bringing it up months after the fact. Cracks me up to know that you've been simmering.

#48 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:40 PM | Reply

You idiots will believe anything.

#38 | POSTED BY SULLY

yeah, the whole world, other than you trumpeters who already have declared reality a false doctrine say it, so it must be false.

because Hillary

#49 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:42 PM | Reply

-What was the goal of the anti-Serb forces if not to purge territory of Serbs?

To protect what they had and resist being uprooted and moved. They were not the aggressors in moving Serbs off of their land, just the opposite.

Actual history seems to be a bit difficult for you.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:43 PM | Reply

#48

So many delusions swelling that head. Like the one about Trump being a legit Pres candidate. No one else you are talking to here was ever stupid enough to believe that as you did.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:46 PM | Reply

No doubt Drumpf is issuing his apology after 15 years at this particular to distract form Pussycat. Will it work?

#44 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

How can belittling America's one great moral and military victory(one with zero casualties, btw) go wrong? And 15 years seems to be his lucky number, with 10 coming (no pun intended) a close second.

#52 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is speaking to his wife's heritage:

A Bosnian Serb factory on Monday presented two pairs of shoes as a gift for the wife of U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, Slovenian-born Melania, in a gesture of support for Trump's White House campaign.

Many Serbs in the Balkans back Trump, ill-disposed to rival Hillary Clinton whose husband Bill backed NATO air strikes on Bosnian Serb positions toward the end of the 1992-95 Bosnian war. He also advocated a 1999 NATO bombing of then-Yugolsavia to halt the killing and expulsion of ethnic Albanians.

Marinko Umicevic, technical director at the Banja Luka shoe factory Bema, said the gift countered what she called a "dirty campaign" against the aspiring First Lady whose homeland, like Bosnia, was a part of Yugoslavia when she was born.

Melania Trump's speech at the Republican National Convention in July ignited controversy, containing a section strikingly similar to words delivered at the Democratic convention in 2008 by President Barack Obama, Michelle.

"The shoes for Melania Trump are our response to the dirty comments she has been exposed to as a wife and a mother," said Umicevic.

The shoes, to be sent by express post, were displayed for media on a table, set in a display of white roses. One pair was gold-colored, with cushioned soles fashioned, according to Umicevic, to help Melania follow her husband's campaign across America. The others were white stilettos for a triumphant walk into the White House.

Umicevic said the shoe moulds were made by a factory in Melania Trump's hometown of Sevnice and designed by Bema's best shoe designers.

We hope that America will stop being the world policeman," Umicevic told Reuters. "We are hoping a friendship will come in the future from the United States instead of bombs that Serbs got from Bill Clinton," he added.
www.reuters.com

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 03:48 PM | Reply

Gnjilane massacre – 80 Serbs were discovered in mass graves having been killed by a group of Albanian militants.

Orahovac massacre - More than 100 Serbian and Roma civilians kidnapped and placed in prison camps, 47 were executed.

Klećka massacre, 1998 – Serbian government reported that 22 kidnapped Serbs were killed by the KLA.

Ugljare massacre, 1998 – 15 Serbs were murdered by KLA insurgents.

Lake Radonjić massacre, September 1998 - 37 bodies were found in mass graves having been massacred by the KLA.[32][33][34][35] This massacre is seen as the main cause of the Serb Special Forces' crackdown on the KLA.[36] In March 2005 the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia charged three Kosovar Albanians with 30 murders relating to bodies found near Glodjane.[37] Of the bodies recovered from Lake Radonjic, the Court found that KLA fighters were responsible for seven murders; all of whom were ethnic Albanians.[38]
Panda Bar massacre, 14

December 1998 – 6 Serb civilians killed and 14 wounded in attack on café in Peć, allegedly by KLA.

Staro Gracko massacre, 23 July 1999 – 14 Serb farmers were murdered by the KLA.[30]

1999–2000, Organ theft in Kosovo: In 2008, Carla Del Ponte published a book in which she alleged that, after the end of the war in 1999, Kosovo Albanians were smuggling organs of between 100 and 300 Serbs and other minorities from the province to Albania.[39][40]

In 2010, responding to Del Ponte's allegation, the head of the war crimes unit of EULEX (the European Law and Justice Mission in Kosovo), Matti Raatikainen, claimed "there is no evidence whatsoever in this case, no bodies. No witnesses."[41] He said the allegations had "distracted" the war crimes unit from "finding the remains of close to 2,000 individuals of Serb, Albanian, and Roma ethnicity still missing in the conflict".[41]

en.wikipedia.org

B-b-but CNN told me that only the Serbs were the evil baddies and Jebus wanted us to bomb them!

- NorthCorkBoy

As I said, you chumps have been had. The only difference in scale doesn't make the other side any better.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not defending ethnic cleansing so much as I'm saying that we had no reason to intervene.

#25 | Posted by sully AT 2016-10-13 03:22 PM

I thought you just said the Serbs weren't doing ethnic cleansing?

And the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there.

#6 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2016-10-13 01:40 PM

You gonna hire Pence to come here and deny you said what you said?

You've managed to reduce your flip flopping from hours to minutes. Even Cheeto Childmolester would be impressed.

#55 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:52 PM | Reply

If you do the math, Sully, the number of Albanian victims in your link is about ten times that.
I guess that doesn't matter to you.
Mind if I ask why?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in other European countries.[3][4]

The methods used during the Bosnian ethnic cleansing campaigns included "murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extra-judicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, and wanton destruction of property".["

Yeah, see, it doesn't matter to teh Isolationist that the Serbs were the cleansers and the Muslims the cleansees... the fact that they Muslims fought back, even though they did much less damage, makes them the same

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:53 PM | Reply

The only difference in scale doesn't make the other side any better.

Isn't this like saying Zimmerman and Martin are just two sides of the same coin?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:53 PM | Reply

With Cheeto Childmolester moving from adoring tinpot dictators to actively pimping for convicted war criminals we have to ask, is there a bottom for this orange appeasement monkey?

#59 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, I guess the headline should now read, "Sully and Trump Apologizes to Serbia for U.S. Airstrikes"/

And tell Serbian Muslims they should not have fought back.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:57 PM | Reply

Interesting, this must be the type of remark and positioning Trump meant when he said he "was now unshackled" when Ryan pulled his support.

#61 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-13 03:58 PM | Reply

To protect what they had and resist being uprooted and moved. They were not the aggressors in moving Serbs off of their land, just the opposite.

Actual history seems to be a bit difficult for you.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's a flat out lie. The KLA existed for the stated purpose of creating an ethnic Albanian state. And part of what they did was to strike out against other ethnicities who lived within "their" territory.

#62 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:00 PM | Reply

Check it out: the same guy says Trump is a supporter of Russia:

Serb Who Inspired Ethnic Cleansing of Bosnia Leads "Vote Trump" Rally in Belgrade

Hundreds of Serb nationalists protested Vice President Joe Biden's visit to the Serbian capital, Belgrade, on Tuesday by staging a rally in support of Donald Trump.

The activists, led by the head of Serbia's ultranationalist Radical Party, Vojislav Seselj, chanted "Donald Trump!" and marched outside the country's Parliament wearing T-shirts bearing the name and likeness of the American candidate.

Speaking to his supporters in somewhat broken English, Seselj said that the message for Serbian-Americans was simple: "Vote Trump, for future of Serbia." In his own language he told Reuters later: "Trump is the alternative to globalization. He will destroy old centers of power in the United States and he is a supporter of Russia." The Serb nationalist also praised Trump for "restoring American pride."

theintercept.com

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there.

Later,

The only difference in scale doesn't make the other side any better.

You're a lying douche, Sully.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:01 PM | Reply

#63 |

So that's where Sully's been. Over apologizing to Serbia's ultranationalist Radical Party, Vojislav Seselj.

Fun times, eh?

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:03 PM | Reply

As I said, you chumps have been had. The only difference in scale doesn't make the other side any better.

#54 | POSTED BY SULLY

Sully, my son is in the Canadian Army. Some of his Officers in basic were veterans from that war. When they talked about what they found in burned out buildings that had been locked from the outside, and they were only in one small area, would have them say 47 was a small number of corpses.

If you want to argue that NATO intervention was wrong, that's one thing. But to argue that there was no mass slaughter of men, women and children by Serb forces is to move from the philosophical to the really, really stupid.

#66 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 04:03 PM | Reply

So that's where Sully's been. Over apologizing to Serbia's ultranationalist Radical Party, Vojislav Seselj.
Fun times, eh?

For Trumpeters that's what passes as impartial and seeing both sides of an issue.

#67 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 04:06 PM | Reply

You can see why Trump and Serbs like Sutlej are simpatico:

Seselj, who helped incite the ethnic cleansing of parts of Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia in the 1990s -- by recruiting volunteer fighters and calling non-Serbs "primates," vampires," and "excrement" -- was acquitted of crimes against humanity and war crimes in a split decision by a panel of three judges at the United Nations court in The Hague in March.

. . .

Radical nationalists in Serbia justified their brutal assault on civilians in Bosnia by claiming, falsely, that the largely secular population of Slavs who adopted Islam centuries ago during Ottoman rule were secretly Muslim extremists. More than 100,000 people were killed in the ensuing campaign of murder, rape, and intimidation initiated by Serb forces and the wars that followed.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 04:06 PM | Reply

You've managed to reduce your flip flopping from hours to minutes. Even Cheeto Childmolester would be impressed.

#55 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps your reading comprehension would improve if you read posts in their entirety instead of cutting them up and pasting them together out of context.

My position is: We had no reason to intervene as it served no purpose for us and neither side was the 'good guys'. Both sides were guilty of "ethnic cleansing" - which is just a made up term we now put on any effort to reserve territory for a specific ethnic group. The genocide claims were greatly exagerated by our media.

If you have to re-write my posts before you can respond, that should be a clue that you're over your head.

#69 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:06 PM | Reply

For the pro-military intervention Bill Clinton neocon defenders. Why intervene in this European conflict but not intervene in the Darfur genocide in Africa?

"Bill Clinton doesn't care about Black people." ~Kanye West

#70 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-13 04:09 PM | Reply

If you want to argue that NATO intervention was wrong, that's one thing. But to argue that there was no mass slaughter of men, women and children by Serb forces is to move from the philosophical to the really, really stupid.

#66 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Again, your comment in no way addresses my comment that you quoted.

What I said is that both sides targetted and killed civilians on the other side and that you chumps were fooled into believing that only the Serbs were guilty of this.

I posted a dozen examples that proves this with a link.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:09 PM | Reply

- as it served no purpose for us

Fortunately for the Jews in the late 30's and 40's, FDR didn't listen to his era of isolationists.

- neither side was the 'good guys'.

The bad guys were the ones who actually took major territories by killing the occupants in massive attacks.

Damn those brown people for fighting back against the white manifest destiny!

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:14 PM | Reply

Cowardly Sully must still have me plonked. LOL!

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- but not intervene in the Darfur genocide in Africa?

Smelly old rwing meme about taking action we were not militarily prepared to take on short notice. And oblivious to Bill's statements about his regrets that was the case.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:16 PM | Reply

Ethnic cleansing[edit]

During the Kosovo War, over 90,000 Serbian and other non-Albanian refugees fled the war-torn province. In the days after the Yugoslav Army withdrew, over 200,000 Serb and other non-Albanians were forced from the province by Kosovo Albanians.[25]

en.wikipedia.org

B-b-but CNN and Bill Clinton told me that the Albanians didn't do this to anyone. B-b-butter woo-wouldn't melt in their mouths!

- Corky

You were lied to. Is this sinking in yet?

#75 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:18 PM | Reply

- but not intervene in the Darfur genocide in Africa?

Sully, have a quick peek at the map to refresh your memory, and tell us if you think Yugoslavia or Sudan is more in NATO's wheelhouse.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:19 PM | Reply

we were not militarily prepared to take on short notice

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bwahahaha. Oh yeah. It would have taken a ton of prep to bomb militas who have no air force, no surface to air missiles, no rader and no air defense!

#77 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:19 PM | Reply

According to Corky, the US military in relative peacetime status was not ready/prepared to act on reports of the Darfur genocide. Do I have that summation of the Clinton-defender's position correct?

I've read about Bill's "heartache" at his facilitation of the Darfur genocide, but at the same time, it is tough to believe his sincerity.

#78 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-13 04:20 PM | Reply

The Bosnian Serbs were the major aggressors in their ethnic cleansing campaign, as every objective historian will tell you. And it was turning to genocide BY THE SERBS when NATO stepped in.

You can stop lying to yourself anytime you like

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Oh yeah. It would have taken a ton of prep to bomb militas who have no air force, no surface to air missiles, no rader and no air defense!

It's quite obvious you've never served, or even worked for the military in a civilian capacity.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:22 PM | Reply

"The bad guys were the ones who actually took major territories by killing the occupants in massive attacks."

I already said that this is your foolish thinking. "They were guilty of winning" is what I said.

Of course to those of us who aren't idiots, morality has less to do with who is more successful and everything to do with actions and intent.

The Serbs and the Albanians had similiar intentions and took similar actions towards fuliflling those intentions. The Serbs were just better at it.

#81 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:22 PM | Reply

Snoofy, wasn't the Libya disaster a NATO mission? Perhaps you may need to consult a map yourself.

#82 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-13 04:24 PM | Reply

The Bosnian Serbs were the major aggressors in their ethnic cleansing campaign, as every objective historian will tell you.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

But yet just a little research and critical thinking - something a low IQ herd animal like yourself avoids religiously - reveals that this popular narrative is bunk and that the truth is that there were no "good guys" there at all.

The world isn't a comic book, Goofus. It isn't all paragons versus mustache twirling villians.

To but in terms your intellect can comprehends: Usually fights are between rival bad guys.

#83 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Without getting into whether or not we were right to bomb them, wouldn't it be prudent for Pres. candidates to at least wait until they're elected to start apologizing on behalf of the whole country?

Seems like a douchey move on his part.

#84 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-13 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77

Gen Dully "thinks" the bombs can tell the rebels from the citizens beneath the jungle, lmao!

And Adm Noles forgets we had just pulled out of Somalia, and he and his rwinger friends were apoplectic about going into another African conflict.

- The Serbs were just better at it.

The Serbs initiated the ethnic cleansing and their leader was eventually convicted of genocide.

As you have said, if those silly brown Muslims hadn't fought back, they would have had the moral high ground... and been the victims of genocide, not "just the same".

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:30 PM | Reply

- this popular narrative is bunk

Scholars like to call their werk "history". And they pretty much agree on who was the initial aggressor and who was doing the worst damage and the most ethnic cleansing.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:33 PM | Reply

I'm just hoping the Orange Grabber doesn't apologise for the US saving Britain and Europe in WW II.

Then we'd have to listen to Gen Sully's defence that those folks were just as bad as Hitler.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:36 PM | Reply

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now you're just making crap up again. The war in Kosovo was going on before the Serbs got involved.

You're the one who hates brown Muslims. Always making up excuses to bomb them in Libya and Syria. I've been consistently against bombing people, brown or otherwise, for no reason. Another Corky talking point that reveals his inability to avoid obvious hypocrisy. Low IQ at work is what that is.

#88 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:38 PM | Reply

obamas apology tour began as a candidate, didn't it? (Could be my dislike of him clouding my memory, or the alien urkle I just smoked)
And yes, it's douchey. Then and now.

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2016-10-13 04:40 PM | Reply

Scholars like to call their werk "history". And they pretty much agree on who was the initial aggressor and who was doing the worst damage and the most ethnic cleansing.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Before you said that the Albanians were not guilty of ethnic cleansing at all. Do you think we've forgotten?

Now you're moving the goalposts and trying to pretend that you were holding my position all along.

I'm the one who told you that the Serbs were better at it but that both sides had the same goals and were guilty of similar deeds.

So yeah, the Serbs did it "more" but the Albanians were guilty of the same crimes. Seems you have conceded my point on that.

Now just follow the logic a step further: Neither side was worthy of our support since they both engaged in killing civilians.

#90 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:43 PM | Reply

- The war in Kosovo was going on before the Serbs got involved.

It wasn't ethnic cleansing until they got involved. And their leader has been convicted of genocide.

Why you continue to feel the need to defend them is... oh, wait, Trump. Nevermind. Carry on, Corporal.

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:45 PM | Reply

-both sides had the same goals

No, the Serbs started and continued the ethnic cleansing. The Muslims fought back.

- Neither side was worthy of our support since they both engaged in killing civilians.

One side was facing extreme ethnic cleansing, and staring at genocide when NATO stepped in.

But hey, we've already gotten to why you keep defending the people whose leader was convicted of genocide.

Because Trump.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:48 PM | Reply

Neither side was worthy of our support since they both engaged in killing civilians

By that standard, who has ever been worthy of our support?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:53 PM | Reply

"It wasn't ethnic cleansing until they got involved. And their leader has been convicted of genocide."

You're lying. The stated goals of the KLA didn't change after the Serbs got involved. It was always to create an Albanian homeland - inherent in which is the expulsion of Serbs and Roma and other minorities.

"One side was facing extreme ethnic cleansing, and staring at genocide when NATO stepped in."

Both sides engaged in the targetted mass murder of civilians. So it is either all genocide or none of it is genocide. The only difference is scale.

Please make up your mind. Your position that some mass killing of civilians is genocide but other examples are not - based strictly on which side NATO chose to support - is nonsensical.

#94 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 04:54 PM | Reply

"In April 1992, the government of the Yugoslav republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina declared its independence from Yugoslavia. Over the next several years, Bosnian Serb forces, with the backing of the Serb-dominated Yugoslav army, targeted both Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) and Croatian civilians for atrocious crimes resulting in the deaths of some 100,000 people (80 percent Bosniak) by 1995. It was the worst act of genocide since the Nazi regime's destruction of some 6 million European Jews during World War II."

more

www.history.com

You should do a lot more reading and a lot less mouthing off to defend Trump's ludicrous claims.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:57 PM | Reply

You should do a lot more reading and a lot less mouthing off to defend Trump's ludicrous claims.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't even know the difference between Croatia and Kosovo, as #95 just proved.

By the time NATO got involved, the fighting was in Kosovo. And it was going on before the Serbs entered Kosovo. As I said.

You need to do alot less parotting the words of people who have an agenda and lot more thinking for yourself. Assuming you can.

#96 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 05:00 PM | Reply

Also, I know a pea brain like you can't comprehend that people have actual opinions that aren't temporarily assigned to them by a political party. But I'm not defending Trump's claims.

I'm defending my own belief that the US should not be bombing people who aren't a threat to us.

If the Serbs and Albanians wanted to fight over a piece of land until one side no longer exists, we should have let them.

We occupy no moral high ground by bombing cities and killing civilians for reasons that have nothing to do with our own defense.

#97 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 05:12 PM | Reply

I'm defending my own belief that the US should not be bombing people who aren't a threat to us.

You're defending Trump's European Apology Tour.

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 05:19 PM | Reply

We occupy no moral high ground by bombing cities and killing civilians

And? You think we can apologize our way to morality?

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 05:21 PM | Reply

Is it not ironic that Trump, who has great difficulty apologizing for his many faux pas, is happy to apologize for someone else's?

#100 | Posted by Foreigner at 2016-10-13 05:35 PM | Reply

- If the Serbs and Albanians wanted to fight over a piece of land until one side no longer exists, we should have let them.

Soooo, let's check, "genocide hunky dory wif me!" in Dully's Isolationist Box.

Fortunately for the Jews in the late 30's and 40's, and all of Europe and Britain, for that matter, FDR didn't listen to his era of bigoted nationalistic isolationists.

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 05:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Fortunately for the Jews in the late 30's and 40's, and all of Europe and Britain, for that matter, FDR didn't listen to his era of bigoted nationalistic isolationists.

#101 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 05:48 PM | Reply

This is dumb even for you.

You'd have to know literally nothing about either situation in order to believe that these two conflicts are I any way similar.

Do you ever get tired of lowering the bar?

#102 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-13 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Donald Drumpf, the Republican presidential nominee, is denying remarks attributed to his campaign that he called the bombing of Serbia in the 1990s "a mistake."

"Mr. Drumpf never gave an interview to the Serbian weekly magazine Nedeljnikas as falsely reported by the discredited Newsweek, nor was such an interview conducted through our Indiana State Director," Jason Miller, the Drumpf campaign's senior communications adviser, said in a statement. "This was a hoax and we look forward to receiving a formal retraction and apology from all involved."

This just in, Sully and 101 applaud US intervention in Serbia, call Serbs "vicious war criminals". Film at eleven.

#103 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 06:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

101 parachuted into Bosnia to save the Muslims. The results of his chute never fully opening is what you see in his posts today.

#45 | POSTED BY CORKY

Operation Meatbombs for Allah?

#104 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- to believe that these two conflicts are I any way similar.

"It was the worst act of genocide since the Nazi regime's destruction of some 6 million European Jews during World War II."
more
www.history.com"

Would you care to borrow a shovel?

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 06:54 PM | Reply

- Operation Meatbombs for Allah?

Also known as the Oinker Drop. Or Pigs in Parachutes.

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 06:57 PM | Reply

Also known as the Oinker Drop. Or Pigs in Parachutes. POSTED BY CORKY

Sounds adorable

#107 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-13 07:06 PM | Reply

WWII where we were attacked and genocide committed against a nonviolent group is just like bombing Serbia who didn't attack us and where both parties involved were killing each other? Lol, the Clinton campaign needs to hire some new talent to write their talking points email distributions.

#108 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-13 07:43 PM | Reply

"Bombing Serbia was wrong. And the Serbs were no more guilty of "ethnic cleansing" than the people we helped over there. "

"However, in line with a majority of legal scholars, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and the International Court of Justice (ICJ) have ruled that, in order for actions to be deemed genocide, there must be physical or biological destruction of a protected group and a specific intent to commit such destruction. To date, only the Srebrenica massacre has been found to be a genocide by the ICTY, a finding upheld by the ICJ.[14] On 24 March 2016, former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadžić and the first president of the Republika Srpska, was found guilty of genocide in Srebrenica, war crimes and crimes against humanity, 10 of the 11 eleven charges in total, and sentenced to 40 years' imprisonment.[15][16]"

en.wikipedia.org

And Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews. Riiight!

#109 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-13 08:15 PM | Reply

It would have taken a ton of prep to bomb militas who have no air force, no surface to air missiles, no rader and no air defense!
#77 | POSTED BY SULLY

Yeah, and Bush doing Iraq and Afghanistan that way were slamdunks, right? Of course, they had the advantage of nearby military bases, but I'm sure it wouldn't take more than a couple of days to build them. Right?

If you spin any faster sully, you're gonna crate your own climate patterns. You can quit. Trump now says genocide is a bad thing, so you can, too.

#110 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sully has never heard a right-wing apology his heart didn't bleed for.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 08:37 PM | Reply

Hillary voters whining about ethnic cleansing, while voting for a ME strategy that is directly ethnically cleansing Sunni towns, by using US air power to enable Shia militas to do the dirty work.

Surreal.

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-10-14 09:53 AM | Reply

This just in, Sully and 101 applaud US intervention in Serbia, call Serbs "vicious war criminals". Film at eleven.

#103 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 06:41 PM | Reply

Do you ever get tired of posting idiotic strawmen? I was against this at the time it happened. I don't let a political party tell me what to think. That is for cretins like you.

#113 | Posted by sully at 2016-10-14 10:02 AM | Reply

Yeah, and Bush doing Iraq and Afghanistan that way were slamdunks, right? Of course, they had the advantage of nearby military bases, but I'm sure it wouldn't take more than a couple of days to build them. Right?

#110 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

What does this even mean? When and where have I ever said such a thing? I was never for what we did in Iraq and thought the plan in Afghanistan was funamentally flawed. And I have said as much on this site hundreds of times.

All you are proving is that A) you can't respond to what I actually am saying and B) you are fundamentally dishonest and too dumb to learn that this isn't going to work even though I call it out every single time you do it.

Grow the hell up. And wise the hell up.

#114 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-14 10:06 AM | Reply

Would you care to borrow a shovel?

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do you think that one sentence proved?

What it proved to me it that you a superficial thinker with a childlike understanding of history because you think one sentence can prove that WWII and the post-Yugolsavia conflicts are "the same".

One of the major differences that makes your comparison garbage is that, as I've proven to you, the Albanians, unlike the Jews, were also engaged in mass killings and ethnic cleansing.

Try thinking a little.

#115 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-14 10:14 AM | Reply

Having lost all credibility with an endless barrage of negative press, the few important issues which Trump raises, never become food for thought to Americans, just as the ruling Oligarchy prefers. This includes US military belligerence; free trade agreements; vote rigging in primary and national elections in Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, New York and California. Just eat your Big Mac, drink your beer and salute our great flag.

#116 | Posted by bayviking at 2016-10-14 11:44 AM | Reply

"Fortunately for the Jews in the late 30's and 40's, and all of Europe and Britain, for that matter, FDR didn't listen to his era of bigoted nationalistic isolationists."

- to believe that these two conflicts are I any way similar.

"It was the worst act of genocide since the Nazi regime's destruction of some 6 million European Jews during World War II."
more
www.history.com"

Repeated for the thick of skull.

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-14 01:05 PM | Reply

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-14 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the comparison you made is still senseless because unlike WWII era Jews in Europe, the Albanians were engaging in their own mass kilings with their own ethnic cleansing goals in mind.

No many how many times you repeat the same drivel, the above is still true and it still makes you wrong.

#118 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-14 01:14 PM | Reply

The Bosnian Muslims were engaged in self defense, against your wishes, apparently. The Serbian leader was convicted of genocide.

"In April 1992, the government of the Yugoslav republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina declared its independence from Yugoslavia. Over the next several years, Bosnian Serb forces, with the backing of the Serb-dominated Yugoslav army, targeted both Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) and Croatian civilians for atrocious crimes resulting in the deaths of some 100,000 people (80 percent Bosniak) by 1995.

It was the worst act of genocide since the Nazi regime's destruction of some 6 million European Jews during World War II."

Why you want to defend the Serbs and accuse the lesser actor of, "being the same" appears to be to defend Trump... in something he now says he didn't say.

So he left you out here on this limb all by yourself like a cartoon character with a saw.

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-14 01:20 PM | Reply

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