Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Donald J. Trump was emphatic in the second presidential debate: Yes, he had boasted about kissing women without permission and grabbing their genitals. But he had never actually done those things, he said. "No," he declared under questioning on Sunday evening, "I have not." At that moment, sitting at home in Manhattan, Jessica Leeds, 74, felt he was lying to her face. "I wanted to punch the screen," she said in an interview in her apartment. More than three decades ago, when she was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company, Leeds said, she sat beside Trump in the first-class cabin of a flight to New York. They had never met before. About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her. According to Leeds, Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt. "He was like an octopus," she said. "His hands were everywhere."

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In a phone interview on Tuesday night, a highly agitated Trump denied every one of the women's claims. "None of this ever took place," said Trump, who began shouting at the Times reporter who was questioning him. He said that the Times was making up the allegations to hurt him and that he would sue the news organization if it reported them. "You are a disgusting human being," he told the reporter as she questioned him about the women's claims. Asked whether he had ever done any of the kissing or groping that he had described on the recording, Trump was once again insistent: "I don't do it. I don't do it. It was locker room talk." But for the women who shared their stories with the Times, the recording was more than that: As upsetting as it was, it offered them a kind of affirmation, they said.

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Read the details in the story. I'm watching tv as I post this and the Trump camp is trying to ask why these women are speaking up now with zero recognition that Trump is trying to become the most powerful person on the planet and his behavior and actions are part and parcel to his character or lack thereof. The article is explicit why these women are speaking up now: Donald Trump lied during the debate about how he assaults women and there own personal experience is proof of the lie.

Trump couldn't help himself not to be the instrument of his own demise. He described the very behaviors that these women claimed to have experienced. He's been sued in the past for crossing the societal lines. The question has already been asked, how many women are going to have to come forward before this nation believes their stories over Trump's disavowals?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I finally think I understand Trump. He's every threatened-white man's fantasy because he's rich and privileged, and he's able to do or say whatever he wants to to whomever he wants to simply because he is who he delusionally believes he is: alpha dominant white male.

Everyone else sees a sociopathic, egoist, unrepentant bigot that represents ever single thing that all other categories of people nominally abhor and don't want to tolerate in a civil, equal society. He is a pig's pig and his own unguarded words support most all the allegations.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hopefully Clinton will introduce these ladies at the next debate. Just so Cheeto Crotchgrabber will explain how he never said he never grabbed anybody by the p---y.

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 08:39 PM | Reply

Trump Explodes... that's like the whole purpose of the P grabbing, right?

Sam Bee has some hilarious takes on --------------!

www.youtube.com

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 08:40 PM | Reply

The Trump campaign is criticizing the Times for reaching back decades with these allegations (though one of them was not decades -- it was 11 years).

The irony of that argument is that the campaign just reached back decades with Bill Clinton's accusers, spotlighting them at the debate.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2016-10-12 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When it starts raining ----, pretty soon it pours.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving low-life than Dandy Don.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-10-12 08:44 PM | Reply

- Bill Clinton's accusers

Funny thing about that....

www.cnn.com

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 08:48 PM | Reply

Jill Harth's first concern with Donald Drumpf's hands wasn't that they were small. It's that they were everywhere.

Harth and her longtime boyfriend were in meetings with Drumpf to forge a business partnership. "He was relentless," Harth recalled in an interview, describing how on Dec. 12, 1992, he took the couple to dinner and a club -- and then situated himself beside Harth and ran his hands up her skirt, to her crotch.

"You know, there's going to be a problem," Drumpf told Houraney, according to a 1997 sexual harassment lawsuit Harth filed against him. "I'm very attracted to your girlfriend."

Houraney, who owned the events planning company, sued Drumpf for breach of contract, and the two sides eventually reached a confidential settlement. Harth says Drumpf paid somewhat more than $100,000. Harth separately had filed her sexual harassment suit, which also alleged attempted rape; she withdrew her suit as a condition for settling the contract dispute, she says.

I really thought this was 2016, not 1997, when the harassment suit was filed.

Silly me.

#8 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 08:48 PM | Reply

...and there will be many more in the next three weeks. Trump opened up the Pandora Box and he will have to suffer the consequences.

#9 | Posted by e1g1 at 2016-10-12 09:04 PM | Reply

Trump is going to have a very hard time going after a 74 year-old grandmother who was the victim on the plane when she was 38. But he's already calling all of them liars for describing precisely what he said himself on the video and on Howard Stern's show. Trump is trying to act as though it's outrageous to give any merit to these women because he's above reproach and they are obviously out to get him. My gosh, "they donated to Hillary Clinton". Ya think Einstein? Do you really think the victims of your roving hands and "Russian" fingers are gong to vote for and donate money to YOU?

Trump is who he told us he is on the tape. Not a single iota of empathy, sympathy or compassion toward what happened to the women. Everything is about him. He called the reporter who phoned him "A disgusting human being." All of these women, now one from Palm Beach, are using their names and Trump is denying them all. This nation didn't deserve this and it's going to take years to recover from the damage of Donald Trump's candidacy.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 09:09 PM | Reply

I finally think I understand Trump. He's every threatened-white man's fantasy because he's rich and privileged, and he's able to do or say whatever he wants to to whomever he wants to simply because he is who he delusionally believes he is: alpha dominant white male.
#2 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2016-10-12 08:34 PM

Bill Cosby would like to remind you that rich powerful perverts come in all shapes, sizes, and colors.

#11 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-12 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The irony of that argument is that the campaign just reached back decades with Bill Clinton's accusers, spotlighting them at the debate.

Not mine but Drumpf is saying don't look at what I did 10 years ago but look at what Hillary's husband did 30 years ago. The sad part is it works for a certain "impartial" segment of Hillhaters.

#12 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 09:19 PM | Reply

#11

True, but Bill Cosby isn't a "threatened-white man's fantasy." He's obvious a deviant predator of a different degree than Trump, at least so far.

It's not a far leap at this point to imagine that there are likely women who Trump hit on that he "succeeded" with that may have said "no" and he went straight on through it. It only meshes with his own admissions, and he wouldn't continually do these things if he always got shot down. His recorded brags are falling into a thoroughly different light now that named women from vastly different decades and years are confirming exactly what he stated himself.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 09:23 PM | Reply

~ D.T. ~
~ MAKE AMERICA RAPE AGAIN ~

#14 | Posted by cbob at 2016-10-12 09:27 PM | Reply

True, but Bill Cosby isn't a "threatened-white man's fantasy."
#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2016-10-12 09:23 PM

Threatened black man's fantasy then?

#15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-12 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only question left for any Republican not named Trump is this:

How Many?- How many women will have to come forward and tell their stories of Donald Trump having groped them (or worse) before the other GOP candidates will say ENOUGH?

It's now inevitable because the victims likely number in legions, not handfuls. This has been going on for decades. And yes, Trump is now under a Cosby Count.

How many, America?

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 09:31 PM | Reply

Sounds like the accusations are short on evidence. The accusers are open to defamation counter suits. Trump's got nothing too lose.

#17 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:31 PM | Reply

How many, America?

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

The gal on the plane described a classic WWII surrender.

Isn't that how those go, Tony?

#18 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:32 PM | Reply

When it starts raining ----, pretty soon it pours.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving low-life than Dandy Don.

#6 | POSTED BY DOC_SARVIS

There's still Bill.

#19 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:34 PM | Reply

"Sounds like the accusations are short on evidence."

You mean like the Bill Clinton Oxford rape story that was floated here last night:

A long-circulating rumor holds that Bill Clinton raped an Oxford classmate named Eileen Wellstone before evolving to also assert he was expelled over the incident.

www.snopes.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 09:35 PM | Reply

This nation didn't deserve this
#10 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

We most certainly do.

#21 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:36 PM | Reply

A long-circulating rumor holds that Bill Clinton raped an Oxford classmate named Eileen Wellstone before evolving to also assert he was expelled over the incident.
www.snopes.com

#20 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Isn't that the rape that produced the alleged love child? That case would have DNA evidence. Bill wasn't so careful with his DNA sometimes.

#22 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:38 PM | Reply

#21

Agreed. We do deserve it.

We are a nation of weak, fickle, star obsessed idiots.

We built trump.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-12 09:39 PM | Reply

Oops. Wrong rape.

Yale rape. Not Oxford.

Mea culpa.

*doh*

#24 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:40 PM | Reply

Trump is bringing up all the dirt he can about Clinton to muddy the waters and deflect from his own history. Trump has admitted that his women problem is greater than Clinton's:

In 1999, Trump Said He Couldn't Be President Because of the Women He'd Sleep With

www.mediaite.com

Trump told CNBC that he doesn't like the idea of running for the White House – but boasts that voters might like his women better than President Clinton's.

"People want me to [run for president] all the time … I don't like it," Trump said on CNBC's "Hardball."

"Can you imagine how controversial I'd be? You think about him [Clinton] and the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?"

CNBC's Chris Matthews then quipped, with a nod at Clinton's games with Monica Lewinsky: "You might be close, but there's no cigar."

That prompted Trump to shoot back: "Yeah. They might like my women better, too."

nypost.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 09:41 PM | Reply

Can't know your rapes without a program this season!

#26 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:41 PM | Reply

It is rather difficult to keep Bill Clinton's rapes and sexual violence against women, in line.

Trump has some serious work to do to get up to Bill's level of sexual predator.

In addition, at least Melania has a clean conscious...Hillary Clinton and her public campaign of bullying and victim-blaming against Bill's "bimbos" make her an accomplice to Bill's documented sexual deviancy.

#27 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-12 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Conscience, son. Melania has a clean conscience.

Con science. With a sense. The sense being a moral sense.

Say, 'Noles, you see all those beautiful heifers grazing down in that thar field?

#28 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:48 PM | Reply

* alleged

Oopsy

#29 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-12 09:48 PM | Reply

In addition, at least Melania has a clean conscious

She married a child rapist to get out of the escort business. Bravo.

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2016-10-12 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In addition, at least Melania has a clean conscious...Hillary Clinton and her public campaign of bullying and victim-blaming against Bill's "bimbos" make her an accomplice to Bill's documented sexual deviancy.

Melania's conscience might be clean, but Donald's isn't. In addition to calling Ken Starr a wacko and expressing sympathy for Hillary Clinton:

Trump also repeatedly dismissed and at times mocked Bill Clinton's accusers.

In a 2008 interview with CNN, Trump called the Lewinsky scandal "totally unimportant" and said it was "nonsense" that Republicans tried to impeach him.

In another interview, with CNBC in 1998 and first unearthed by the Washington Post, Trump called Clinton accuser Paula Jones "a loser." In August 1998, Trump again dismissed Jones, and said Bill Clinton was actually the victim.

"I don't necessarily agree with his victims," Trump said to Fox News' Neil Cavuto in a clip uncovered earlier in the year by the "Daily Beast." "His victims are terrible. He is, he is really a victim himself. But he put himself in that position."

"These people are just, I don't know, where he met them - where he found them," Trump continued. "But the whole group -- it's truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical."

The Trump campaign did not return a request for comment.

www.cnn.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 09:52 PM | Reply

I groped my wife last night.

*yes, I am trolling* although I did grope my wife last night.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 09:55 PM | Reply

Me too, Jeff.

#33 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:57 PM | Reply

Once upon a time Trump really liked Hillary and thought she had been subjected to cruel and unusual treatment, who wouldn't lash out under those circumstances:

Speaking with Wolf Blitzer in November 1999 in video reviewed by CNN's KFile, Trump said Hillary Clinton had been through more public controversy than any women should have to bear.

"I think she's gone through terrible times," Trump told Blitzer in the interview. "I think she's been through more than any woman should have to bear -- everything public. I mean, women go through this on a private basis and can't take it, she's on the front page of every newspaper every week with what went on in Washington."

A month before, in an interview with CNBC, Trump expressed a similar sentiment about Hillary Clinton and blasted the independent investigator Ken Starr as "a total wacko."

"I think she's a very, very good person," Trump said of Clinton. "I think she's had a very tough life the last few years. I mean, what could be tougher than that? I mean, can you imagine those evenings when he's just being lambasted by this crazy Ken Starr, who is a total wacko? There's the guy. I mean, he is totally off his rocker. And can you imagine being lambasted like that all day and then saying, 'Darling, what are we having for dinner?' It's gotta be pretty tough."

www.cnn.com

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 09:57 PM | Reply

Trump also repeatedly dismissed and at times mocked Bill Clinton's accusers.
In a 2008 interview with CNN, Trump called the Lewinsky scandal "totally unimportant" and said it was "nonsense" that Republicans tried to impeach him.

I don't think anyone would be surprised that Trump changed position on this issue when it became advantageous to do so (previously, Trump was busy buying influence with Bill and Hillary Clinton as a political campaign donor as well as a Clinton Foundation donor).

There is an axiom in some finance circles: "strong convictions, loosely held."

#35 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-12 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gee whiz, gal! What do you think it is that changed about Hillary?

#36 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 09:59 PM | Reply

All I can say is, cry me at river, Donny.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:00 PM | Reply

"strong convictions, loosely held."

Convictions. That's a great pet name for a politician's p*n*s.

#38 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:00 PM | Reply

#36 For Donny, obviously it's that she's trying to take his job. Now she's the enemy and must be destroyed.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:02 PM | Reply

. Drumpf's got nothing too lose.

#17 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Now that hes lost the WH.

#40 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 10:03 PM | Reply

How many, America?

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

A handful.

#41 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 10:05 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2016-10-12 09:55 PM

Careful with that, you wouldn't want half the Retort sobbing and ready to crucify you again. Lol

#42 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-12 10:05 PM | Reply

"These people are just, I don't know, where he met them - where he found them," Trump continued. "But the whole group -- it's truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical."

At least Trump's victims are attractive--or used to be.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:05 PM | Reply

Wishful thinking, NG. There is a lot of fight left to go. We're just getting into the bimbo eruptions phase of this thing. A mere blip. A flareup, if you will.

Best Election Ever!

#44 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:06 PM | Reply

Bring out The Apprentice outtakes! We want the tapes!!!!

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:07 PM | Reply

Benghazi!!

#46 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-10-12 10:14 PM | Reply

Donnie... She's TEN, man. That's just WRONG!

#47 | Posted by RevDarko at 2016-10-12 10:16 PM | Reply

I don't think anyone would be surprised that Trump changed position on this issue when it became advantageous to do so

True.
Also, Trump supporters also don't care that he's a serial flip flopper.
Being a flip flopper shows good political horse sense.
But only when Trump does it.
Because he's the greatest.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is "Party of Rape" becoming a little harder to deny, especially among you Republicans who purport to hate Trump's guts?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:21 PM | Reply

I groped my wife last night.
*yes, I am trolling* although I did grope my wife last night.

#32 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2016-10-12 09:55 PM | FLAG:

Me too, Jeff.

#33 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

*Thumbs up!*

I tried the same thing today and she swatted my hand away. We both got a chuckle out of it.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:22 PM | Reply

#47 Speaking of a 10 year old: "I'll be dating her in 10 years." Typical locker room talk?

#51 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:23 PM | Reply

#47 Speaking of a 10 year old: "I'll be dating her in 10 years." Typical locker room talk?

#51 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Hell yes! You should hear how I talk about my 15 and 12 year old boys!

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:27 PM | Reply

- Hillary Clinton and her public campaign of bullying and victim-blaming against Bill's "bimbos" make her an accomplice

Yeah, about that rwing myth...

www.drudge.com

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 10:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Speaking of a 10 year old: "I'll be dating her in 10 years." Typical locker room talk?

I suppose if it's a locker room full of 10 year old boys.

#54 | Posted by RevDarko at 2016-10-12 10:28 PM | Reply

#53

It's no myth, El Cork.

Just ask Vince Foster. Oh, wait.....

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#55

Rwingers are SO myth-informed!

www.cnn.com

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 10:31 PM | Reply

Hey Rev!

They don't even talk about actually assaulting women in the Torturer's Local 43 lockerroom, do they?

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 10:34 PM | Reply

#50 She didn't swat my hand.

#58 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:39 PM | Reply

#56

The juxtaposition of "mis' and 'myth' from both a contradictory standpoint and a lisp-slap-standpoint was pretty-clever.

Kudos!

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:39 PM | Reply

The part where you keep believing lies is not so clever, though.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:40 PM | Reply

We both got a chuckle out of it.

#61 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:40 PM | Reply

#50 She didn't swat my hand.

#58 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

She's adamant she did! I am still wondering why my youngest has red hair though, hmmm.......

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:40 PM | Reply

The part where you keep believing lies is not so clever, though.

#60 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which lies are you under the impression that I believe?

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:41 PM | Reply

Vince Foster wasn't a suicide.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:43 PM | Reply

If you'd prefer to talk about Paul Wellstone that's okay though.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:45 PM | Reply

Airplane gal said if Trump had stuck with her upper body she might not have gotten that upset.

www.cnn.com

LOL!

#66 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:46 PM | Reply

Another model has given an account to People that is quite graphic and was witnessed by a butler at Mar-a-Lago which dovetails what he said on the Access Hollywood tape. The number is over at least 6 or 7 and climbing by the minute.

How many?

#67 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 10:47 PM | Reply

Vince Foster wasn't a suicide.

Certainly fooled a lot of investigations.

#68 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-10-12 10:48 PM | Reply

Vince Foster wasn't a suicide.

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Wrong gun, wrong hand. Tons of evidentiary improprieties.

Poor guy got on Hillary's wrong side. Fact.

#69 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:48 PM | Reply

How many cigarillos was Vince Foster holding at the time of his death?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When Trump starts his own media empire maybe he will have a board like this one where you guys can wallow in Clinton conspiracy theories till your heart's content.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:51 PM | Reply

After a video of comments made by Donald Trump surfaced, a former Miss Washington USA contestant shared what she said was her experience with the Republican presidential nominee. Cassandra Searles was Miss Washington USA 2013.

In a Rolling Stone Magazine story, Searles recalls that during the Miss USA pageant, Trump demanded the women redo their introductions if they failed to look him in the eye.

She claimed he grabbed her buttocks and invited her to his hotel. Searles called Trump a "misogynist" who "treated us like cattle."

www.mypalmbeachpost.com

And the dripping continues....

#72 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 10:52 PM | Reply

#71 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I would love to see everything fully exposed. Everything.

Trump.

Bubba.

Hillary.

Etc.

Bare all!

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 10:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He handed the cigarellos to Dorian Johnson just before Dorian watched him die in the fatal position, like an animal.

youtu.be

#74 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 10:55 PM | Reply

And just think who Trump is turning to now for advice on handle the stories coming out: Roger Ailes. Woohoo!

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:56 PM | Reply

And the dripping continues....

There is definitely a lot of dripping come out of their wherevers.
Amirite boys!

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Trump's tweets tonight should be interesting, eh?

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 10:59 PM | Reply

If only Trump had stopped at second base!

ROTFLMAO

#78 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:01 PM | Reply

Afterwards, did he stand like Captain Morgan?

news.grabien.com

#79 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-12 11:01 PM | Reply

Gal, please click on my name and send me an email. I'd really like to speak with you.

#80 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 11:01 PM | Reply

Melania has a clean conscience.

You mean the illegal alien job-stealing Birther Queen? And wearing that p---y blouse?

Swing and a miss, Gonz.

#81 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 11:04 PM | Reply

#80 Okay, I will.

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 11:05 PM | Reply

Hillary.
Etc.
Bare all!

#73 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Oh yuck.

#83 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 11:05 PM | Reply

Trump runs through stop sign. Thrown out at third.

Thanks for the high quality accuser, NYT!

#84 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:06 PM | Reply

Just two accusers? Probably not enough to achieve critical mass. I seem to recall public sentiment didn't turn on Bill Cosby until the count of so-called "victims" had at least two digits.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:10 PM | Reply

Add two MORE women:

2013 Miss Washington USA, Cassandra Searles:

"Do y'all remember that one time we had to do our onstage introductions, but this one guy treated us like cattle and made us do it again because we didn't look him in the eyes? Do you also remember when he then proceeded to have us lined up so he could get a closer look at his property? Oh I forgot to mention that guy will be in the running to become the next President of the United States. I love the idea of having a misogynist as the President." …

"He probably doesn't want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room."

Miss Mississippi USA backed up her story.

The fourth account concerns a women who encountered Trump at his Mar-a-Laro resort in Florida.

Mindy McGillivray, 36, said she was groped by Trump at Mar-a-Lago 13 years ago. She said she never reported it to authorities.

But her companion that day, photographer Ken Davidoff, vividly remembers when McGillivray pulled him aside moments after the alleged incident and told him, ‘'Donald just grabbed my ass!''

www.palmbeachpost.com

#86 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-12 11:10 PM | Reply

Best Election Ever!

#44 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You betcha. Donnyboy has already surpassed SARAH!!!in the politician as human train wreck category. Then again, she only had consensual sex with the odd basketball team.

#87 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-12 11:11 PM | Reply

Add two MORE women:

You trust bimbos?
Amirite boys!

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:13 PM | Reply

Miss Washington USA story link:

www.king5.com

#89 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-12 11:13 PM | Reply

What'll the politicians who've re-endorsed Trump since Sunday do now?

Withdraw their endorsements for the 2nd or 3rd time?

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-12 11:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In the early 2000's I was assigned the Trump beat for PEOPLE magazine. For years I reported on all things Donald. I tracked his hit show The Apprentice, attended his wedding to Melania Knauss, and roamed the halls of his lavish Trump Tower abode. Melania was kind and sweet during our many chats, and Donald was as bombastic and entertaining as you would expect. We had a very friendly, professional relationship.

Then, in December 2005, around the time Trump had his now infamous conversation with Billy Bush, I traveled to Mar-a-Lago to interview the couple for a First Wedding Anniversary feature story.

Our photo team shot the Trumps on the lush grounds of their Florida estate, and I interviewed them about how happy their first year of marriage had been. When we took a break for the then very-pregnant Melania to go upstairs and change wardrobe for more photos, Donald wanted to show me around the mansion. There was one "tremendous" room in particular, he said, that I just had to see.

We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat.
Now, I'm a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger -- a looming figure -- and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance.
I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump's longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself.

The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview. I was still in shock, and remained speechless as we both followed him to an outdoor patio overlooking the grounds. In those few minutes alone with Trump, my self-esteem crashed to zero. How could the actions of one man make feel so utterly violated? I'd been interviewing A-list celebrities for over 20 years, but what he'd done was a first. Did he think I'd be flattered?

I tried to act normal. I had a job to do, and I was determined to do it. I sat in a chair that faced Trump, who waited for his wife on a loveseat. The butler left us, and I fumbled with my tape recorder. Trump smiled and leaned forward.

"You know we're going to have an affair, don't you?" he declared, in the same confident tone he uses when he says he's going to make America great again. -- NATASHA STOYNOFF>

Woo.

#91 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-12 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think there is going to be something compelling about the women coming forward with names like Miss Washington, Miss Arizona, etc.

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 11:16 PM | Reply

#91 I'm getting semi-chubb.
Amirite boys!

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:20 PM | Reply

"I'd been interviewing A-list celebrities for over 20 years, but what he'd done was a first. Did he think I'd be flattered?"

Of course he did. He would come onto himself if he could. He's just that amazing.

And being a billionaire bidnessman with his own reality show, beauty pageant, and trophy wives, well, he's every rwinger's wet dream. Billy Bush was coming onto him for sure.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-12 11:22 PM | Reply

So, we're raving about an alleged overrrun of 2ND base and some decades old butt-grab allegations. Wake me up when some ----- gets grabbed.

#95 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:29 PM | Reply

It's fair game, Notch.

The problem for Clinton is that when going there it opens up her sordid past.

This entire campaign is a race to the muck.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What's a Wiki Leak. You mean like a valve?

#97 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:31 PM | Reply

I think the Miss Teen USA peeping, if true, may be the thing that does him in. Very creepy.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 11:33 PM | Reply

This entire campaign is a race to the muck.

Thank Billy (or whatever his name is) Bush for that, right?
Republican, right?
You built this.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:33 PM | Reply

I'm never one to say it's not part ofor the game. If it's in the game, it's in the game!

I'm just looking at the evidence. You know me. I want to examine these women in depth.

#100 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:33 PM | Reply

Their evidence.

#101 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:33 PM | Reply

Oh I get it.
You want to sound their depths using cigarillos.
I had not pegged you as a Democrat.

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:34 PM | Reply

#80 I tried sending an email (hello?). Let me know if you got it.

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-12 11:35 PM | Reply

Well, maybe not the airplane gal. She seems nice. Saying it wasn't going to make her that mad if he stayed up above her waist pretty well wrecks her story. We'll, it makes her story, but it's not such a good allegation at that point.

Next!

#104 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:36 PM | Reply

#102. Check my user profile, comrade.

#105 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:37 PM | Reply

#91 | Posted by tonyroma

#5 just today. Wow

#106 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-12 11:40 PM | Reply

Saying it wasn't going to make her that mad if he stayed up above her waist pretty well wrecks her story.

So her getting madder and madder as he gropes her more and more just doesn't make sense to you.
I know: Imagine it was Hulk Hogan grabbing her arm. Now can you see it?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:40 PM | Reply

No. I'm still imagining Donald grabbing her chest and her not getting "all that mad."

You gotta watch the interview or you'll find yourself jumping to embarrassing conclusions.

#108 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:50 PM | Reply

Thank Billy (or whatever his name is) Bush for that, right?
Republican, right?
You built this.

#99 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I won't vote for Trump. The case can easily be made that the Clintons are FAR worse and at least similar.

So spare me your self-righteous --------. Hillary is a horrible person and it's well-documented.

You want to pull the 'Trump is worse' card?' Fine.

You want to pull the 'SCOTUS nominee card'?' Fine.

You want to pull the 'Executive experience card?' Fine.

I can cite countless other justifications for voting for Hillary over Trump. I don't begrudge your vote.

Having said that, my point is, don't even try to play the 'morality card' when pimping Clinton.

By voting for Clinton you are not making a choice based upon morality or the personal character of the candidates. No problem with that. But if you are going to pretend that personal character matters to you, when choosing between these 2 candidates, expect to be called out and mocked.

#109 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 11:52 PM | Reply

No. I'm still imagining Donald grabbing her chest and her not getting "all that mad."

Yes, yes. What else are you imagining?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 11:53 PM | Reply

She said "He just grabbed my butt," is the extent of the evidence so far.

Maybe it will get better.

Guess we're stuck talking about Donald not even getting his finger stinky because CNN has a blackout on the love child calling for Papa Bill who raped his mom at Yale to submit some DNA.

Wouldn't that be something if Monica's blue dress could be used to prove paternity? Wait for it.

#112 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:55 PM | Reply

"Papa Bill who raped his mom at Yale"

S/b hyphenated? Mad Scientist, can I get a ruling?

#113 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 11:57 PM | Reply

I think Trump is scum. I don't have a difficult time believing these allegations.

Having said that - why now? This seems coordinated.

To be fair to the alleged victims, the timing is obvious - he has a legitimate shot at POTUS and while an unwelcome ass-grab may fall under the radar when a reality-TV show was popular, when he has a path to POTUS...

The problem is it re-opens Bill's book and Hillary's role.

All of this sucks.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-12 11:59 PM | Reply

Most of life is choosing between less than perfect choices. Mainly because most people are less than perfect... well, besides Donald.

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 12:00 AM | Reply

Gray gardens? WTF #111?

That ---- is perverse.

#116 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:00 AM | Reply

#115

I agree completely, Cork.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:01 AM | Reply

-Samantha Bee for that very special vagagina monologue)

That was epic. I posted her youtube page with the link earlier.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 12:01 AM | Reply

Maybe Donald secretly recorded his golf conversations with Bill and will release those tapes. My guess is it would only help Hillary. She could say a plague on both your houses; you're both idiots.

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 12:01 AM | Reply

I thought the Left turned on The Vagina Monologues because it wasn't inclusive of 'women without vaginas'.

www.advocate.com

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:03 AM | Reply

Why now? Have you not seen the heavy pile of true facts WikiLeaks has been dumping on Hillary, Bill, Chelsea, Podesta, Mills, Comey, NBC, CNN, WSJ, Ryan, McCain etc, etc etc in the last 48 hours?

#121 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:04 AM | Reply

It was a rhetorical question, Notch.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:04 AM | Reply

Yawn. Even Glenn Greenwald (The Intercept) is skeptical of media honesty. The news media is a misinformation propaganda machine working for a group of DNC connected "elites" with the common interest of having a puppet in the White House that represents the cultural, financial and power crazed interests of their private cabal. The news media from the NYT to CNN has lost all credibility with a large part of America and the world. Many of them had relatives in the USSR Pravda. theintercept.com

#123 | Posted by Robson at 2016-10-13 12:05 AM | Reply

I bet Monica's blue dress has enough DNA to cross check with Bill at the same time, so maybe Webster Hubble can finally get some sleep at night.

Bill is her father, right?

#124 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:06 AM | Reply

OIC JJ

#125 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:07 AM | Reply

Don't matter who wins Nov 8th, the --- show is just beginning.

#126 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:07 AM | Reply

"Having said that - why now?"

Because he went on TV and denied ever groping or kissing people against their wills and because the audio about him peeping on beauty contestants just came to national attention. As soon as he trotted out the Clinton accusers, I said, he better not have any skeletons in his closet because if he does, a bunch of outraged women are going to start coming out of the woodwork. He brought this on himself.

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 12:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That was epic. I posted her youtube page with the link earlier.

#118 | POSTED BY CORKY

She nailed him so bad. If I wanted to be a girl I'd wanna be her. Because boys wanna be her!

#128 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 12:09 AM | Reply

Meanwhile Hillary wants open borders and opwn trade throughout the hemisphere with policy set by Wall Street, multi national corporations and foreign donors.

#129 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:10 AM | Reply

Notch,

This is the problem with Trump as the nominee.

The Clintons and Dems have provided a treasure-trove of nastiness over the past few years (and decades when pimping Bubba), but it's at best a political stalemate when dealing with all-things Trump.

The GOP had an epic opportunity to have huge control, but, Tump.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:12 AM | Reply

All these unsubstantiated butt touches bore me.

Play for me, Donnerboy! Strike your harp while I fiddle!

#131 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:13 AM | Reply

#127 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That's an excellent point.

Sadly, this is still a race to the bottom of the muck.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:13 AM | Reply

The GOP had an epic opportunity to have huge control, but, Tump.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ

They had it all 2001-2007, WH, Congress, SC

What did they do?

- Double the budget
- Slash revenues with no 'offsets'
- When questioned about ever growing (then) record deficits Dick Cheney said "Ronald Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
- Fight wars on a credit card
- Pass Medicare Part D with no 'offsets'
- Create huge systemic deficits for years to come

Bill Clinton left a plan to pay off the national debt several years ago.

Did they follow that plan? No

Did they overturn abortion? No

Did their policies leave America in a ditch? Yes

Did they leave us in a deep financial hole? Yes

#133 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:17 AM | Reply

Jeff, this is an unprecedented opportunity to blow up both establish the machines. Trump has already struck mortal blows against the GOP. The Democrats clearly are abusing their power in highest reaches of the federal government. To hell with more of the same.

The machines don't serve the people. They serve themselves. It is grand to watch them eat their own.

#134 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:18 AM | Reply

#113 Not hyphenated.

#135 | Posted by madscientist at 2016-10-13 12:18 AM | Reply

-The GOP had an epic opportunity to have huge control, but, Tump.

This election was always going to be a yuge (Trump's only real contribution to society "yuge") challenge for Dems. A third term for Dems is usually a non-starter. The GOP had the Pres most of the 40 years the public was wise enough to keep them out of the House.... until Bubba changed all that, which is the real reason they hate the Clintons so viscerally.

#136 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 12:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The leaders of both parties are perfectly ok with sucking as long they both keep their jobs. They will both suck us dry if we keep accepting this system.

#137 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:20 AM | Reply

For Dix... since he is so bored with listening to himself.

www.alternet.org

#138 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 12:20 AM | Reply

Another one:

People magazine reporter Natasha Stoynoff covered Donald Trump for the entertainment magazine in the early 2000's. She asked to be removed from the beat after a terrifying experience at Trump's Mar-A-Lago resort. Stoynoff was there doing a story on Donald and Melania Trump's anniversary, a glowing story of wedded bliss and the upcoming birth of the couple's child. A pregnant Melania took a break from their photo session and Donald abruptly turned his attention to Natasha:

"We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat.

Now, I'm a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger -- a looming figure -- and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance. I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump's longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself."

Stoynoff says the attack "caused her self-esteem to crash to zero." And still, the Donald pressed on:

"You know we're going to have an affair, don't you?" he declared, in the same confident tone he uses when he says he's going to make America great again. "Have you ever been to Peter Luger's for steaks? I'll take you. We're going to have an affair, I'm telling you." He also referenced the infamous cover of the New York Post during his affair with Marla Maples. "You remember," he said. "Best Sex I Ever Had."

people.com

#139 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:21 AM | Reply

My instincts told me it was correct as "Papa Bill who raped his mom at Yale." I should be bold and confident like you, Mad. I have no idea why you think you are right on this, other than sheer elegance of appearance, but I respect that you have the Cajon esq to step into the fray with a decisive call. Danke.

#140 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 12:23 AM | Reply

That's 6 stories just today!

#141 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:23 AM | Reply

I wonder if Melania is pouring over her prenup right about now looking for an out. Unless she just doesn't care.

#143 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:31 AM | Reply

Having said that - why now? This seems coordinated.

It is coordinated - coordinated to respond to Trump's lie on Sunday where he said he didn't actually do what he bragged about with Billy Bush.

All the women say the same thing: They heard the tapes and initially felt relieved because most always wondered what "they" did to cause Trump's behavior. After hearing Trump himself describe what they had experienced, they all understood that he was a serial predator who felt to shame over his own behavior. Trump believes he is entitled to treat women this way at his leisure.

When Trump denied that he groped women during the debate they decided telling the truth to his lies was necessary since if he's been doing this before, how empowered would he feel if he became POTUS? That's why they, and the many many more you'll soon see that will rival Cosby's total do it.

#144 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-13 12:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The assault story by the People reporter in #139 just broke half an hour ago.

It's gonna be hard to keep up with all of them. This is probably just the beginning. The more women tell their Trump assault stories, the more women will feel better about telling their own accounts.

#145 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:33 AM | Reply

MSNBC is reporting that Trump's response is he's going to sue every publication who run a story about his sexual harassment/assault of women.

What a class act, eh?

#146 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:38 AM | Reply

That's why I asked in post #15 "How many?"

How many women will have to come forward before the GOP spurns Donald Trump for the final time? How many will it take? We're close to 10 counting the Miss Junior World contestants that say he came in their dressing rooms on at least 2 different years.

And again, these allegations only confirm what Donald has already told us IN HIS OWN WORDS! He's fighting against himself now and it won't be long before he's fighting alone except for those who don't care that their candidate is am unrepentant sexual predator.

#147 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-13 12:43 AM | Reply

Having said that - why now?

Because he's about to become President?

This seems coordinated.

Did the fall of Bill Cosby seem coordinated?

Party. Of. Rape.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 12:44 AM | Reply

The Republican 'base' who made Trump the nominee are the very people who are going to destroy the Republican Party.

Ironic isn't it?

#149 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 12:46 AM | Reply

Another Miss USA contestant (new woman with new allegations) is going to tell her story about being groped by Trump at Mar-A-Largo on the Today Show this morning

#150 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 01:01 AM | Reply

The Trump campaign have a new campaign theme song:

www.youtube.com

#151 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 01:06 AM | Reply

MSNBC is reporting that Trump's response is he's going to sue every publication who run a story about his sexual harassment/assault of women.
What a class act, eh?

#146 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

That's what one does when one is defamed without evidence, Einstein.

Remember when Bill and Hillary sued Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers and Paula Broderick?

Oh snap! He didn't sue them. He lost his law license and $850,000 when Paula Jones sued him. He lied under oath and can never sue anyone.

LOL

#152 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:08 AM | Reply

Here's an excerpt from a powder puff interview Hillary gave Matt Lauer, sometime around '98:

LAUER: To the best of your knowledge, Mrs. Clinton, has your husband ever given or received gifts from or to Monica Lewinsky?

CLINTON: I'm not going to comment on any specific allegation, because I've learned we need to put all of this into context. And it will be put into context. And anyone who knows my husband knows that he is an extremely generous person to people he knows, to strangers, to anybody who is around him. And I think that, you know, his behavior, his treatment of people will certainly explain all of this.

leany.com

#153 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:10 AM | Reply

LAUER: So these charges came as big a shock to you as anyone?
CLINTON: And to my husband. I mean, he woke me up Wednesday morning and said, you're not going to believe this, but -- and I said, "What is this?" So yes, it came as a very big surprise.
LAUER: When he said "but," he said "but" what?
CLINTON: But I want to tell you what's in the newspapers.

Ibid.

Did Bill not sue those newspapers because he's so classy?

LOL

#154 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:14 AM | Reply

LAUER: But you're probably the most credible defender of the president at this time?
CLINTON: Well, I probably know him better than anybody alive in the world. So I would hope I'd be the most credible defender.

So sad.

#155 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:17 AM | Reply

Remember when Bill and Hillary sued Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers and Paula Broderick?

How old were Michael Brown and Officer Wilson at that time? And what was the going rate on cigarillos?

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 01:35 AM | Reply

Bill was giving them away gratis.

It was all the rage.

#157 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:45 AM | Reply

LAUER: Let me take you and your husband out of this for a second. Bill and Hillary Clinton aren't involved in this story. If an American president had an adulterous liaison in the White House and lied to cover it up, should the American people ask for his resignation?
CLINTON: Well, they should certainly be concerned about it.
LAUER: Should they ask for his resignation?
CLINTON: Well, I think that -- if all that were proven true, I think that would be a very serious offense. That is not going to be proven true. I think we're going to find some other things. And I think that when all of this is put into context, and we really look at the people involved here, look at their motivations and look at their backgrounds, look at their past behavior, some folks are going to have a lot to answer for.
So I was telling Chelsea when she was a child that this is going to happen, and it's very unfortunate. I honestly wish if people had political differences, if you don't like his stand on something, fight it out on that. Don't try to destroy somebody personally.

#158 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 02:09 AM | Reply

#50 She didn't swat my hand.

#58 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

She's adamant she did! I am still wondering why my youngest has red hair though, hmmm.......

#62 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

If your youngest bears even a slight resemblance to Alexander Hamilton, I'd take that up with MadScientist.

#159 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 02:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't try to destroy somebody personally.

Signed,
Hulk Hogan

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:42 AM | Reply

I honestly wish if people had political differences, if you don't like his stand on something, fight it out on that. Don't try to destroy somebody personally.

#158 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Trump is destroying himself. Just Sunday night he denied ever doing what now several women today have said he did. Trump's misogyny hasn't been a secret. He was on Howard Stern every chance he got objectifying women, saying vulgar things. What did he think? No one would (or should) bring it up? That it's coming out shouldn't surprise anyone, especially Donald Trump.

There are LOADS of reasons he'd disqualified himself this campaign season, from disparaging POWs, vets with PTSD, women, Gold Star families, the disabled, and on and on.

He's a classless moron who was born on third base and thinks he could do and say anything he wants to. Well, course he can. Now it's destroying his campaign, and will most likely destroy his 'brand.'

#161 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 03:01 AM | Reply

FTA the airplane gal says Donald was born at second base, not third, and she "wouldn't have been too mad" if he stayed at second base.

POWs and Gold Star families and vets get to vote, women and the disabled, too, you know. I favor letting them have their say at the ballot box.

Why do you want to deny Americans their right to vote?

#162 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 03:12 AM | Reply

Why do you want to deny Americans their right to vote?

#162 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Who said anything about denying Americans the right to vote? No one on this thread has said that, including me.

Trump's actions are going to lose him the WH, and it's increasingly looking like he might cost the GOP the Senate, House, and SC majority.

- BTW, do you still support Trump? You're carrying an awful lot of water for him.

#163 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 03:24 AM | Reply

You said he had disqualified himself. Presumptuous.

I support Trump's policies on immigration, trade, infrastructure, the military, Iran, health insurance competition and a number of other points. I am pleased that he has shredded the GOP machine. I am pleased that he may very well also shred the massively corrupt Dem machine. The government media complex that has been exposed is every bit the threat that the military industrial complex is. In fact, the fascist media (there, Shawn, I said it) is the primary enabler of the military industrial complex. Hillary's record shows that she will compensate for ineptitude by sustaining pay for play governance at all costs.

Trump is definitely qualified.

#164 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 03:44 AM | Reply

I support Trump's policies on immigration, trade, infrastructure, the military, Iran, health insurance competition and a number of other points.

Can you clarify Trump's position on cigarillos?

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:06 AM | Reply

Decorum

de·co·rum
dəˈkôrəm/
noun
noun: decorum

behavior in keeping with good taste and propriety.
"you exhibit remarkable modesty and decorum"
synonyms: propriety, seemliness, decency, good taste, correctness; More
politeness, courtesy, good manners;
dignity, respectability, modesty, demureness
"he had acted with decorum"
antonyms: impropriety
etiquette.
"he had no idea of funeral decorum"
synonyms: etiquette, protocol, good form, custom, convention; More
formalities, niceties, punctilios, politeness
"a breach of decorum"
antonyms: impropriety
archaic
a particular requirement of good taste and propriety.
plural noun: decorums

#166 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:11 AM | Reply

DIXVILLE

You're backing a pitiful excuse of a man, let alone presidential candidate.

Oh, well. No doubt his loss will be someone else's fault. Poor little rich boy (who'd have been richer just parking his daddy's money in an index fund and not leaving a long trail of people he's screwed over).

#167 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 04:21 AM | Reply

Liberty University students protest association with Trump

Students at Liberty University have issued a statement against Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump as young conservatives at colleges across the state reconsider support for his campaign.

A statement issued late Wednesday by the group Liberty United Against Trump strongly rebuked the candidate as well as the school's president, Jerry Falwell Jr., for defending Trump after he made extremely lewd comments about women in a 2005 video. The students wrote that Falwell's support for Trump had cast a stain on the school's reputation.

"We are Liberty students who are disappointed with President Falwell's endorsement and are tired of being associated with one of the worst presidential candidates in American history," the statement said. "Donald Trump does not represent our values and we want nothing to do with him. … He has made his name by maligning others and bragging about his sins. Not only is Donald Trump a bad candidate for president, he is actively promoting the very things that we as Christians ought to oppose."

www.washingtonpost.com

Shocker. There may be hope for these kids yet. More than their parents at any rate.

#168 | Posted by Corky at 2016-10-13 04:30 AM | Reply

Okay, as was hinted at upthread, I do not hide my personal proclivities here (though I don't get into details out of a sense of propriety) and I can tell you with 100% certainty that you could NEVER find accusations like this about me. Even people I've "owned" (In the ---- Total Power Exchange sense) have never had anything done by me or at my direction without their full consent.

It takes a VERY small man to behave in the manner being described here.

And, no, I'm not defending Bill, either. Personally, I find him despicable but remember this: Donnie has been caught on tape numerous times bragging about this type of behaviour. Either he was lying and trying to sound like what he thinks a "real man" is, or he was telling the truth. Either way, it's disgusting.

#169 | Posted by RevDarko at 2016-10-13 04:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Liberty University students protest association with Trump."

This is the American equivalent of Al Qaeda saying "ISIS, you need to CALM DOWN."

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 04:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

You're backing a pitiful excuse of a man, let alone presidential candidate.

His point, that he's not backing down on, is that Trump is likely not as bad as Bill Clinton when it comes to the treatment of women. Democrats to this day vociferously defend Clinton. It is rank hypocrisy to get all up in arms over Trump (I oppose BOTH of them, BTW).

Snoofy has some weird obsession with cigarillos on this thread. I have no idea how they are germane to this topic.

Basically, when it comes to this issue, Democrats have been living in glass houses for decades and are thus not in a position to be throwing stones at anyone.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 06:56 AM | Reply

I lived through the disgusting defenses of the indefensible. I lived through the character assassination that Bill Clinton's accusers were subjected to. It was repugnant.

Donald Trump is a disgusting human being. Having said that, Bill Clinton's defenders are in ZERO position to be calling this out.

Big kudos to Notch for standing firm on this point. He's absolutely correct in calling out Clinton supporters for their rank hypocrisy.

#172 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 07:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem for Trump is that all Clinton's past does is put him on even ground. He can't claim any kind of high road on this.

This election sucks.

#173 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 07:08 AM | Reply

Trump's lined up an enormous barrage to launch at Bill Clinton. He was ready for this. He knew his own past and how bad it was going to be. He's going to parade one woman after another in front of his crowds.

The problem is these women that are coming out saying what they experienced from Trump came out on their own. To the Press.
Trump's digging up women that will say Clinton assaulted them. No vetting by the Press. No checking required.

Then we have Alex Jones paying people to show up at Clinton rallies with t-shirts with the image of Bill Clinton on them with the word "RAPE" on it.

Trump is the singularly most disgusting POS I've ever seen run for President. The people he's allied? Scum.

#174 | Posted by YAV at 2016-10-13 07:13 AM | Reply

I am not taking a side on trump or Hillary, but we certainly know what bill did and what Hillary did which wasn't to show case women's rights or wants.

I don't think either candidate is the quality we deserve as a nation, saying that, I know what Hillary stands for and what she has done and with all the lies about policies, our troops, and actions she has taken I would rather support the one who isn't in the political beltway giving us the same ole misdirection and outright lies given to us over the last 20 years.

You can sure bet that the media will watch trump like a hawk and give us anything and everything he does wrong.

#175 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-13 07:22 AM | Reply

Trying to sit here and debate who is higher on the moral and ethical ground between two candidates who are so similar in such moral corruptness is ridiculous and for people who are supposedly so interested in our nations wellbeing one would think they would be more interested in listening to these candidates policies while evaluating the words they use for advocating those policies.

#176 | Posted by Crassus at 2016-10-13 07:25 AM | Reply

176. Trump may be far from perfect but he isn't two faced. Most of his policies are much more beneficial to the masses.

Hillary and her colluding media, donor class, establishment, Clinton Foundation machine (all proven by the Wiki leaks emails) are massively deceptive and grossly corrupt, are working to rig the election.

#177 | Posted by Robson at 2016-10-13 08:27 AM | Reply

"...is that Trump is likely not as bad as Bill Clinton when it comes to the treatment of women."

Reminds me of this story:

A man, who just won ten million dollars in the Lottery, went into a cocktail lounge to have a drink to celebrate. Inside he spied a woman he found very attractive. He took a seat at the bar next to her.

"Hello young lady. I just won ten million dollars in the Lottery and am looking to celebrate. Would you go to bed with me for a million bucks?"

"Why, yes I would," said the wide-eyed and breathless young woman.

"Well then, would you go to bed with me for twenty bucks," asked the newly-minted millionaire.

"WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM," exclaimed the now flabbergasted woman.

"Well," said the man, "we've already established that. Now we're just negotiating."

To claim that one politician's foul treatment of women is less egregious than another's is like one woman claiming she is less pregnant than another woman.

#178 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 08:34 AM | Reply

"Most of his policies are much more beneficial to the masses."

Are you:
(A) Unaware of his tax plan, such as it is?
(B) Aware of his tax plan, but choose to ignore it?
(C) Drunk?

#179 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-10-13 08:36 AM | Reply

"Certainly fooled a lot of investigations."

Actually, no it didn't.

All the investigations, including at least two Republican-led ones, came to the same conclusion: VF committed suicide.

His closest family member, his sister, is also on the record saying when she heard the news, she immediately knew he'd done it.

#180 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-10-13 08:48 AM | Reply

His sister wrote an excellent article on it, he was under such heavy pressure, severely depressed, afraid of being stigmatized by mental illness...suicide.

www.washingtonpost.com

#181 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 09:11 AM | Reply

#164

Hear, hear!

#182 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 09:14 AM | Reply

All the investigations, including at least two Republican-led ones, came to the same conclusion: VF committed suicide.

That was sort of my point.

#183 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-10-13 09:38 AM | Reply

You think this is going to stop people from voting Trump.

The men will wish they were him and the women will wish he had groped them. He is a star the same rules don't apply. Its sad but the Howard Stern rules apply to him.

#184 | Posted by tmaster at 2016-10-13 09:43 AM | Reply

To claim that one politician's foul treatment of women is less egregious than another's is like one woman claiming she is less pregnant than another woman.
#178 | POSTED BY HANS

That's a stretch. Butt touching is less egregious than rape. Butt touching by a private citizen is less egregious than sexual misconduct with an intern in the oval office.

Speaking of pregnancy, let's see how many children of the Trump butt-touchees call for DNA tests.

#185 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 09:49 AM | Reply

"Now we're just negotiating."

#178 | POSTED BY HANS

Size matters. I hear you can negotiate a great deal on a gold mine in Haiti, complete with tax breaks and charity donation startup money, if you are a Friend of Bill's. If you're not a Friend of Bill's, use the public entrance.

I guess you wouldn't actually be negotiating if you weren't a friend of Bill's.

#186 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 09:54 AM | Reply

"Liberty University students protest association with Trump"

Smart kids. If they were caught on tape saying the kinds of things Trump said, they'd be kicked out of that school.

#188 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 10:25 AM | Reply

"His point, that he's not backing down on, is that Trump is likely not as bad as Bill Clinton when it comes to the treatment of women. "

And yet he himself has admitted he was:

In 1999, Trump Said He Couldn't Be President Because of the Women He'd Sleep With

www.mediaite.com

Trump told CNBC that he doesn't like the idea of running for the White House – but boasts that voters might like his women better than President Clinton's.

"People want me to [run for president] all the time … I don't like it," Trump said on CNBC's "Hardball."

"Can you imagine how controversial I'd be? You think about him [Clinton] and the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?"

CNBC's Chris Matthews then quipped, with a nod at Clinton's games with Monica Lewinsky: "You might be close, but there's no cigar."

That prompted Trump to shoot back: "Yeah. They might like my women better, too."

nypost.com

nypost.com

#189 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 10:32 AM | Reply

Damn you all must be very worried.

#190 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 10:40 AM | Reply

"Basically, when it comes to this issue, Democrats have been living in glass houses for decades and are thus not in a position to be throwing stones at anyone."

Huh? Do the names Newt Gingrich, Robert "Bob" Livingston and Denny Hastert mean anything to you?

#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 10:45 AM | Reply

DIXVILLE
You're backing a pitiful excuse of a man, let alone presidential candidate.

#167 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

And you're backing a pitiful excuse of a woman married to a pitiful excuse for law license losing former president.

Do you dream of open borders throughout the western hemisphere, with open trade? You want a politician to be able to cover for ineptitude with pay for play governance? Then Hillary is the one for you.

#192 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 10:55 AM | Reply

Apparently, if you want to talk to Jessica Leeds (airline chest-only allowed gal) you can contact her using a Clinton Foundation phone number:

twitter.com

#193 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 10:59 AM | Reply

"If [Trump] had stuck to the upper part of the body, I might -- I might not have gotten that upset."

-- Jessica Leeds, on her brief visit with Trump in first class on a flight 30 years ago.

youtu.be

#194 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 11:08 AM | Reply

"Butt touching is less egregious than rape."

Who's been convicted of rape?

#195 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:12 AM | Reply

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#196 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:16 AM | Reply

"Butt touching by a private citizen..."

You mean "butt touching" without consent? That's battery, a crime.

"...is less egregious than sexual misconduct with an intern in the oval office."

The sexual "misconduct" you're referencing was a consensual matter between two people of age.

There was no crime committed.

#197 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:17 AM | Reply

"Pages in category "American people convicted of rape""

Don't see a single name in there of anyone running for (or having served as) president of the united states.

Context is very important.

#198 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:19 AM | Reply

The sexual "misconduct" you're referencing was a consensual matter between two people of age.

See Jones, Paula

#199 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:19 AM | Reply

There was a trial. In the Senate.

#200 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 11:20 AM | Reply

"See Jones, Paula"

"...sexual misconduct with an intern in the oval office."
Jones, Paula was a White House intern?

Context is very important.

#201 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:22 AM | Reply

"There was a trial. In the Senate."

Yep.

And the verdict?

Not guilty.

#202 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:23 AM | Reply

Another one:

OCTOBER 13, 2016, 10:47 AM EDT

A former Miss USA contestant who competed in the pageant in 2001, told The Guardian that Donald Trump barged into her dressing room while she and another woman were changing despite an apparent warning from security that the women were naked.

The contestant, who asked to be anonymous, said that they were getting dressed to practice the opening number at rehearsal when Trump burst into the room. She said she heard security personnel outside the room warn someone that the women were naked just before Trump entered the dressing room.

"Mr Trump just barged right in, didn't say anything, stood there and stared at us," she told The Guardian.

She described Trump's attitude as, "I can do this because I can."

"He didn't walk in and say, ‘Oh, I'm so sorry, I was looking for someone,'" the former Miss USA contestant told The Guardian. "He walked in, he stood and he stared. He was doing it because he knew that he could."

talkingpointsmemo.com

Drip, drip....

How many?

#203 | Posted by tonyroma at 2016-10-13 11:24 AM | Reply

Oh well. So much hair splitting. On to policy talk!

#204 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 11:24 AM | Reply

Hans forgive me for being so thick but Slick had a pattern didn't he..

"Truth has nothing to do with words. Truth can be likened to the bright moon in the sky. Words, in this case, can be likened to a finger. The finger can point to the moon's location. However, the finger is not the moon. To look at the moon, it is necessary to gaze beyond the finger, right?"

#205 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:25 AM | Reply

And the verdict?
Not guilty.

#202 | POSTED BY HANS

That's what makes it such a shame about Bill's law license. And the $850,000 payout to Paula Jones.

#206 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 11:26 AM | Reply

Hey Hans, pull my finger!

#207 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:26 AM | Reply

"Hans forgive me for being so thick ..."

As Mike Pence says, Grace is important. You're forgiven.

"...but Slick had a pattern didn't he.."

Why, yes he did. Just like the Mangled Marmalade Hellbeast.

But, as it turns out, "Slick" isn't running for president this year.

The Short-fingered Vulgarian is.

You're welcome.

#208 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:29 AM | Reply

-Who's been convicted of rape?

nobody running for president nor a past president.....same as convictions for groping.

WTF are you guys arguing?

Is this really a contest to see who's faux outrage is the highest?

At the end of the day....it's an equivalency. Stop trying to make a distinction.

I like Bill Clinton 100 times more than I do Donald Trump.......but this is an equivalency.

#209 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 11:29 AM | Reply

-But, as it turns out, "Slick" isn't running for president this year.

sorry...not that simple. A lot of folks are using her husband as at least part of her qualifications. Her time in the white house counts. That means Bill counts.

If Bill Clinton dropped dead of a heart attack today.....Hillary's polling would suffer immensely, IMO. (try to pretend it's not Donald she is running against)

#210 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 11:32 AM | Reply

"That's what makes it such a shame about Bill's law license."

Yeah! That really cut into his ability to earn a buck!

#211 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:32 AM | Reply

"Context is very important."

Jones's lawyers decided to show to the court a pattern of behavior by Clinton that involved his allegedly repeatedly becoming sexually involved with state or government employees. Jones's lawyers therefore subpoenaed women they suspected Clinton had had affairs with, one of whom was Monica Lewinsky. In his deposition for the Jones lawsuit, Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Monica Lewinsky. Based on testimony provided by Linda Tripp, which identified the existence of a blue dress with Clinton's ----- on it, Kenneth Starr concluded that Clinton's sworn testimony was false and perjurious.

wiki

And Hans you're welcome too

#212 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:33 AM | Reply

"nobody running for president nor a past president.....same as convictions for groping."

100% correct, Eb.

"At the end of the day....it's an equivalency."

Again, 100% correct, Eb.

Which is 100% the point I was making in my original post.

#213 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:35 AM | Reply

The sexual "misconduct" you're referencing was a consensual matter between two people of age.
There was no crime committed.

#197 | POSTED BY HANS

No crime? Just sexual harassment.

#214 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 11:36 AM | Reply

I am talking about Monica Lewinsky when I mention sexual harassment, BTW.

#215 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 11:37 AM | Reply

"Jones's lawyers ..."

What does that have to do with the original comment about a White House intern?

Context is important.

"Kenneth Starr concluded ..."

Would that be the same Kenneth Starr who recently lost his job as President and Chancellor of Baylor University for ignoring reports of sexual violence at the school?

That Kenneth Starr?

#216 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:38 AM | Reply

"I am talking about Monica Lewinsky when I mention sexual harassment, BTW."

I know.

And how is a consensual sexual encounter between two adults sexual harassment?

#217 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:40 AM | Reply

#213

agreed.

#218 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 11:44 AM | Reply

Thanks, Eb!

#219 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:47 AM | Reply

Context? Context can mean background. Without Paula Jones no Lewinsky. See #212.

#220 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And how is a consensual sexual encounter between two adults sexual harassment?"

when it's a boss and a subordinate.....that has been construed as sexual harassment.

#221 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 11:48 AM | Reply

"...that has been construed as sexual harassment."

Only if there is an expectation of either a quid pro quo because of the encounter, or some type of career crippling punishment for refusing.

As far as I know, neither was the case in this example.

#222 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:52 AM | Reply

Hans,

There doesn't need to be quid pro quo for it to be sexual harassment. Were other women working in the White House? If any of them knew about this they might feel as if they will be treated differently unless they too get on their knees and say "ah".

Sexual harassment is broadly defined and Clinton's actions fall well within the legal parameters.

#223 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 11:56 AM | Reply

"Context?"

Yep.

Context.

As in who I was responding to and what I said in that response.

Again, you're welcome.

#224 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 11:57 AM | Reply

Don't "f" the help.

#225 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 11:58 AM | Reply

"Thanks for pulling my finger."

Again, you're welcome.

#224 | POSTED BY HANS

#226 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 12:00 PM | Reply

You're not going to whine about that being out of context are you?

#227 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 12:01 PM | Reply

It's pretty clear that Team Clinton has known about this stuff for quite a long time and timed the release of it to inflict maximum damage. That's good politics.

I'd be willing to bet that plenty of people in the MSM have been aware of this since before Trump announced his campaign. They also withheld until now. That's also good politics since they are part of Clinton's team.

#228 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:02 PM | Reply

"If any of them knew about this ..."

You're describing a hostile work environment.

Not sexual harassment (Harassment is unwelcome conduct...).

And, as far as I know, no one in the White House complained about your hypothetical hostile work environment ("If any of them knew about this ...").

#229 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 12:04 PM | Reply

He's absolutely correct in calling out Clinton supporters for their rank hypocrisy.
Sexual harassment is broadly defined and Clinton's actions fall well within the legal parameters.

Jeff - a couple of things when trying to tie Cheeto Childmolester to Bubba.

One. You're not going to find Bill's name anywhere on the ballot. For the record, and to remove any apparent confusion, It's Hillary Clinton and Donald Drumpf running.

Two. Of all the things Bubba did or was accused of doing, no one ever claimed he was a pedophile. There's ample video of Drumpf bragging about being one.

That is all.

#230 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 12:05 PM | Reply

"You're not going to whine about that being out of context are you?"

Nope. Because that's not an example of something being taken out of context.

That's an example of poorly-written fiction using copy-paste.

As always, you're welcome.

#231 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 12:05 PM | Reply

#228 Why didn't any of the GOP candidates dig this stuff up and use it? The Republicans would have had a better chance of having Bill's past take down Hillary if anyone (except maybe Cruz?) but Trump had been their nominee.

#232 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 12:06 PM | Reply

It just seems to me that now would be a prime time for a third party to emerge. I am sure I could put together a party platform that would pull the two disenfranchised portions of both parties together. That these two are the best candidates either party could find is depressing. I don't believe a President has to have been a politician. That's what advisors are for. I think a President merely needs to have shown wise judgement and stable character. A critical thinker. I can think of at least a dozen men and women more qualified than these clowns. The problem with politics today or is that people start from the standpoint of ideology and then try to make facts work in their favor. Integrity is more important than policy.

#233 | Posted by gavaster at 2016-10-13 12:08 PM | Reply

"Sexual harassment is broadly defined ..."

Actually, legally it is very specifically defined:

It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person's sex. Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person's sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.

Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.

Although the law doesn't prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.

source

#234 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 12:10 PM | Reply

"Clinton claimed that because certain acts were performed on him, not by him, he did not engage in sexual relations."

It's still after all these years too damn funny!

#235 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 12:10 PM | Reply

I am talking about Monica Lewinsky when I mention sexual harassment, BTW.

#215 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Since Monica bragged about putting on her "White House knee pads" before starting her internship, I'm assuming you are going all PC and liberal on us and now claiming that unequal "power" in a work-related sexual relationship equates to sexual harrassment. I concur, although, since Monica was an unpaid intern whose position (job, not sexual!) was not under Bubba's control, and who aggressively started the affair, I'm not sure how the Courts would view this.

Bottom line, Bubba was a pig and should have known better,(although Cheeto Childmolester's supporters will be quick to argue that no one is perfect and we've all gotten bjs from chunky younger chicks.)

Yeah, we wish............

#236 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 12:12 PM | Reply

Since this thread is about Trump (not Clinton), I thought I'd share this:

Once you've defended Trump for so long -- past the Clinton donations, the abortion flip-flops, the call for war crimes, the praise for authoritarian governments, the admiration for single-payer health care, the never-ending conspiracy theories, the personal instability, the compulsive lying, the statist urges -- you'll defend anything, and with relish. Hence, we continue to witness the embarrassing spectacle of Trump's line of surrogates. Buckle up: It will likely get worse before it gets better.

www.nationalreview.com

You're describing a hostile work environment.
Not sexual harassment (Harassment is unwelcome conduct...).
And, as far as I know, no one in the White House complained about your hypothetical hostile work environment ("If any of them knew about this ...").

#229 | POSTED BY HANS

I've attended a number of seminars over the years regarding workplace sexual harassment. What Clinton did fell within the parameters (which is why I chose my scenario). Also, it didn't matter whether it was consensual or not. Simply saying "Your hair looks nice today", could be considered sexual harassment, regardless of whether or not the comment was welcome. Now, it's possible those running the seminar weren't lawyers and were so broadly defining sexual harassment in order to cause fear and expunge any thoughts of saying anything that could be remotely construed as sexual in nature as a matter of company policy, not the actual law.

#237 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 12:14 PM | Reply

It's still after all these years too damn funny!

#235 | POSTED BY TONTONMACOUTE

It rates right up there with his "I smoked marijauna, but I didn't inhale".

The extremes guys will go to to deny they've been caught with their pants down when they've been caught with their pants down.

#238 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-13 12:21 PM | Reply

"and who aggressively started the affair"

Monica was hot to trot and an eager beaver? Say it isn't so.

#239 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-10-13 12:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What Clinton did fell within the parameters ..."

Not according to the federal definition I posted.

As for your comment, "I've attended a number of seminars over the years regarding workplace sexual harassment," what you most likely attended were seminars that included company/workplace policy and rules, city/county/state laws covering sexual harassment, and the federal law. That was certainly the content of the seminars I've attended over the years.

But, absent any specific White House policy or rules, the federal law is what is pertinent here, and it does not seem to indicate what you (and NorthGuy3) claim was sexual harassment.

#240 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 12:22 PM | Reply

"It rates right up there with his "I smoked marijauna, but I didn't inhale"."

Always worth a good laugh or two.

Despite the fact that those were the words he used, what he was describing was taking a hit off of some good weed, hacking his lungs out, and saying "thanks, but no thanks" to any more.

I suspect that most of us, after going through that initial reaction, said, "Let me have more of that!"

At least that's what I heard.

#241 | Posted by Hans at 2016-10-13 12:25 PM | Reply

Why didn't any of the GOP candidates dig this stuff up and use it?

Gal, I believe it's because Trump made this an issue. After the video of him saying he could abuse women without consequences, then asked (3 times) during the debate and him finally saying "No, I never did any of that!" the women that had been victimized said "Enough of this!"

So Trump brought this all on himself. And now he's going to try lashing out and throwing everything at everyone to get the heat off him.

#242 | Posted by YAV at 2016-10-13 12:31 PM | Reply

Accuser fatigue, will begin to set in in three...two...one

#243 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 12:42 PM | Reply

Despite the fact that those were the words he used, what he was describing was taking a hit off of some good weed, hacking his lungs out, and saying "thanks, but no thanks" to any more.

Far out! You were there?

#244 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 12:44 PM | Reply

#234

that appears fairly broad but I don't want to split hairs over it.

You're right about the quid pro quo stuff and what qualifies.

In my dealing with employment discrimination and harassment claims, it's been circumstances of just a boss and subordinate and the claim made by the subordinate as, "he was my boss.....I consented because I wasn't sure if I had to, etc.." even if nothing was specifically said by the boss.

again, all up for interpretation and I don't know what Monica said regarding this but all she had to say was, "well, he was the POTUS and I was an intern.....I didn't feel I was in a position to say no".

#245 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 12:44 PM | Reply

Gotcha Monte! (Smell your finger)

#247 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 01:19 PM | Reply

Damn! I thought that was from finding that rotten Steelhead in the bottom of my drift boat. The early bird gets the worm, I guess.

#248 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2016-10-13 01:45 PM | Reply

I've attended a number of seminars over the years regarding workplace sexual harassment. What Clinton did fell within the parameters (which is why I chose my scenario). Also, it didn't matter whether it was consensual or not. Simply saying "Your hair looks nice today", could be considered sexual harassment, regardless of whether or not the comment was welcome.
#237 | Posted by JeffJ

In that case, it was Lewinsky who harassed Clinton, by showing him her thong underwear. That is how the so-called affair started.

#249 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:23 PM | Reply

again, all up for interpretation and I don't know what Monica said regarding this but all she had to say was, "well, he was the POTUS and I was an intern.....I didn't feel I was in a position to say no".
#245 | Posted by eberly

That's not at all what happened. Not even close. Lewinsky wanted Clinton, and she let him know.

#250 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:24 PM | Reply

-That's not at all what happened. Not even close. Lewinsky wanted Clinton, and she let him know.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying what she could have claimed. Which is why boss/subordinate relationships are usually strictly forbidden in companies.

#251 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 02:40 PM | Reply

but your deflection for Clinton's horrible actions are noted....and laughed at.

#252 | Posted by eberly at 2016-10-13 02:40 PM | Reply

You mean the deflection of the deflection from Trump?

Also, I only ever commented on Lewinsky.
There's no scandal there, whatsoever.
There's trashy people being themselves.
With full consent from both parties.

#253 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:45 PM | Reply

Which is why boss/subordinate relationships are usually strictly forbidden in companies.

Not in Trump companies.

#254 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 02:46 PM | Reply

9 women so far ...

Expect more to feel safe recounting their stories of his unwanted advances

#255 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-13 02:47 PM | Reply

There's no scandal there, whatsoever.
There's trashy people being themselves.
With full consent from both parties.

#253 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Wait didn't Lewinsky attempt to suborn Tripp's perjury in the Jones v. Clinton suit to conceal the Clinton-Lewinsky relationship?

#256 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 02:59 PM | Reply

I said there was no scandal in the affair between Lewinsky and Clinton.
It was all on the up-and-up, and it was Lewinsky who initiated it.
Two trashy people who wanted each other.
It's a beautiful thing, really.

#257 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:02 PM | Reply

Again didn't Clinton risk blackmail by Lewinsky. Not that she did but...would of been too easy.

#258 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:02 PM | Reply

Two trashy people who wanted each other.
It's a beautiful thing, really.

#257 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'm sure that's how Hillary felt about it.

#259 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-10-13 03:03 PM | Reply

"I said there was no scandal in the affair between Lewinsky and Clinton."

And I said Lewinsky attempted to suborn Tripp's perjury.

"It's a beautiful thing, really."

You must read those books with Fabio on the cover!

#260 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:06 PM | Reply

I'm sure Ms. Clinton was relived her husband wasn't yet again accused of anyone in the matter, I can allow for that.

#261 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:08 PM | Reply

...accused of groping anyone...

#262 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:09 PM | Reply

"it was Lewinsky who harassed Clinton, by showing him her thong underwear. That is how the so-called affair started."

Lewinsky hypothetically could have been An Israeli or Russian agent or any agent and opened William Jefferson up like a pinata.

#263 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:13 PM | Reply

Melania could be a Russian agent too. Hypothetically.

#264 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:16 PM | Reply

If Melania were on the Russian payroll, evidence of that might show up in her taxes. Shouldn't we see them?

#265 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:20 PM | Reply

So dating someone and then marrying her is your equivalent to an office worker servicing you on your 2nd meeting?

#266 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:22 PM | Reply

Lewinsky attempted to suborn Tripp's perjury.

#267 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:23 PM | Reply

Lewinsky attempted to suborn Tripp's perjury.

What's that got to do with the consensual relationship between Clinton and Lewinsky?

#268 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:26 PM | Reply

What's that got to do with the consensual relationship between Clinton and Lewinsky?

#268 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If there was no scandal there as you stated earlier than why would she suborn Tripp's perjury. Wait, wait, I got it, "she was trying to protect Hillary".

bwahahahaha

#269 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:29 PM | Reply

I'm sure Ms. Clinton was relived her husband wasn't yet again accused of anyone in the matter, I can allow for that.

#261 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2016-10-13 03:08 PM | FLAG:

...accused of groping anyone...

#262 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

See Willey, Kathleen

#270 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 03:31 PM | Reply

9 women so far ...

Expect more to feel safe recounting their stories of his unwanted advances

#255 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

25 days left until the election.

There are probably at least 25 more women that Trump has harassed out there.

Drip. Drip. Drip.

#271 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-13 03:39 PM | Reply

See Willey, Kathleen

See goalposts, moving.

#272 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-13 03:42 PM | Reply

See goalposts, moving.

#272 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Did you do the windowpane or blotter?

#273 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 04:25 PM | Reply

There are probably at least 25 more women that Trump has harassed out there.
Drip. Drip. Drip.

#271 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Ladies' man

#274 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 04:27 PM | Reply

Just for the record look at your wife (or your hand) now look at Trump's.

#275 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2016-10-13 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump to NYT: I'll sue.

NYT to Trump; Bring it on.

Too funny.

www.washingtonpost.com

I liked this comment at the article.

Thrax2
2:19 PM CST
Suing, and opening himself up to discovery on this and other behavior, would be really remarkably stupid, which suggests that it's likely to happen.

#276 | Posted by et_al at 2016-10-13 04:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#276 See Eddie Murphy vs. National Enquirer regarding that person Eddie picked up on the street one night at 2am.

But the threat of the suit makes for good show now. After the election he can avoid the discovery. As Obama told Putin, he can be more flexible.

#277 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-13 04:45 PM | Reply

"HELLO, my name is Jessica Leeds,I am a trump assault victim. I JUST HAPPEN to be a CLINTON FOUNDATION SECRETARY and Hillary's friend"

#demsr************

#278 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-10-14 02:54 PM | Reply

The Trump camp has rolled out a farcical 'rebutter' to Ms Leeds, a dude from England who claims he was flying first class at 18 on a domestic U.S. flight. He gave the wrong year for the flight that he was on the same flight as Trump and the excuser. He claims to have a photographic memory, but couldn't remember what year he, as an 18 year old, was allegedly in the U.S. flying first class on a domestic flight. Uh, sure thing.

Here's who he is:

- 'Rent boy' pimp

Gilberthorpe, a former Gloucestershire county councillor and party activist, says that in 1989 he sent a 40-page dossier to Margaret Thatcher (a friend of his, or so he claims) accusing several of her cabinet ministers of "abusing underage boys at drug-fuelled conference parties". And he should know, for he was paid to recruit underage rent-boys for the orgies.

- Phantom engagement

In September 1987, for example, he announced his engagement in the Times to Miss Leah Bergdorf-Hunt, a fashion designer from California. The Gloucester Express reported the news on its front page under the headline "Gilby to Marry". It quoted Gilberthorpe as saying: "Both our families are delighted… I hope this will explain to a few people about my recent visits to America." But there was no engagement, and indeed no Miss Bergdorf-Hunt. As revealed in Eye 690, the whole thing was a fantasy.

#279 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-14 08:24 PM | Reply

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