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Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Jeremy Stahl, Slate: "The thing that you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 e-mails that you deleted and that you acid washed," he said right before calling for that special prosecutor. "You delete 33,000 e-mails. And then you acid wash them, or bleach them, as you would say -- a very expensive process," Trump continued, again just before reiterating his call for that prosecutor. What the hell was he talking about and did he literally mean that he believed Hillary Clinton had poured chemicals on her email servers, or her emails?

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From what I've read, BleachBit allegedly renders deleted emails un-retrievable.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-11 10:30 PM | Reply

When people jump through hoops they actually go out and buy hula hoops and jump through them.

When you twist someones arm you actually grab them and twist their arm.

When you turn on a dime you actually put a dime down and spin on it.

Really? The MSM is so in the bag for Hillary they are turning into grammar nazis as a last resort before putting their necks in the noose?

Good riddance....

Some of us with more than potato IQ can see that they are desperate and shilling to nth degree....

#2 | Posted by aescal at 2016-10-11 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The most common brand of bleach, Clorox, is 6% sodium hypochlorite and has a pH of 12.6.

Could a very alkaline solution degrade a hard drive if there was a long enough exposure? Sounds possible, but cbf to google it.

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-11 10:32 PM | Reply

What the hell was he talking about?

Paul Combetta
Stonetear
Reddit

Google that ----.

Jeremy Stahl is an embarrassment.

#4 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2016-10-11 10:33 PM | Reply

"And then you acid wash them, or bleach them, as you would say -- a very expensive process"

Yeah I didn't get that part either.
There's nothing expensive about typing:
format c:

If you were going old school, and writing random data to the drive seven times, that's also not expensive. A spinning hard drive draws about ten watts.

Anyway, in the real world, the way to properly destroy a hard drive is to put it in the grinder. This is a little bit more expensive, owing to the cost of the grinder itself, and of course you need to buy a new hard drive.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-11 10:43 PM | Reply

From what I've read, BleachBit allegedly renders deleted emails un-retrievable.
#1 | Posted by GOnoles92

From what I've read, the NSA has everybody's emails anyway. :)

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-11 10:45 PM | Reply

They are both out of touch with the real world.
Hillary actually thinks there is a gun loophole. And that you can buy guns on the internet. Illegal since 1968

Trump thinks she pored acid on the hard drives. Hillary thinks cleaning a drive is done with a cloth.

You should have voted for Cruse he is much smarter.

#7 | Posted by tmaster at 2016-10-11 11:32 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY TMASTER

If you can't first spell his name correctly, your not gonna convince anyone.

#8 | Posted by memyselfini at 2016-10-11 11:43 PM | Reply

" and of course you need to buy a new hard drive.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Hard Drives are cheap. The only way to really be sure is destroy the drive.

"From what I've read, the NSA has everybody's emails anyway. :)

#6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

According to Snowden and Mr Robot they have way more than that. And using those two things together just elevated this post on some list according to some algorithm waiting to be retrieved by the right question. We are gonna need smarter smart phones.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-11 11:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7

You can buy guns on the internet. They just have to be shipped to a FFL holder.

#10 | Posted by aescal at 2016-10-11 11:50 PM | Reply

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I would believe that the "bleach" and "acid washed" phrases that he used were just a play on words if he had just stopped there.

But then he talks about it being "an expensive process". Anyone who knows anything about computers knows that programs to permanently delete files are not "an expensive process". Which is what then calls into question whether he actually knows what the "bleaching" is.

But, then again, I am arguing against a Trump supporter. They will go through all sorts of mental gymnastics (and ignore facts under their nose) to deflect from their candidate's shortcomings.

#11 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2016-10-12 12:35 AM | Reply

I would rather deal with shortcomings than crimes. Criminal behavior is guaranteed with the wicked witch of the north.

#12 | Posted by docnjo at 2016-10-12 12:44 AM | Reply

If you can't first spell his name correctly, your not gonna convince anyone.
#8 | POSTED BY MEMYSELFINI AT 2016-10-11 11:43 PM

"you're"

#13 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-10-12 12:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

He was making fun of Hillary.

She's a corrupt criminal.

And a liar.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-10-12 01:02 AM | Reply

"Hillary actually thinks ... that you can buy guns on the internet. Illegal since 1968
#7 | Posted by tmaster"

You can, dummy.

#15 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2016-10-12 01:57 AM | Reply

She's a corrupt criminal.
And a liar.

#14 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

And still a better choice than Trump.

#16 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2016-10-12 05:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the people who chose Hillary are better than the people who chose Trump. They're constantly telling us that Hillary is just as bad because that's all they've got. Hillary's better than Trump because she's competent. We're better than them because we don't believe that "reality" TV is real.

#17 | Posted by squinch at 2016-10-12 05:59 AM | Reply

And the people who chose Hillary are better than the people who chose Trump. They're constantly telling us that Hillary is just as bad because that's all they've got. Hillary's better than Trump because she's competent. We're better than them because we don't believe that "reality" TV is real.

#18 | Posted by squinch at 2016-10-12 05:59 AM | Reply

"Hillary actually thinks ... that you can buy guns on the internet. Illegal since 1968
#7 | Posted by tmaster"

The internet was invented before 1968?

What are you smoking and where can I get some?

www.gandermountain.com "Buying a Gun Online - 3 Easy Steps"

Did you tell Gander Mountain that what they are doing is illegal?

http://grabagun.com/ordering-guide

How about "Grabagun.com"?

Does it physically hurt to be that stupid?

#19 | Posted by 726 at 2016-10-12 07:43 AM | Reply


BleachBit is a disk-wiping program for Linux and Windows. You can see its feature lists here. (bleachbit.org)

If you are running Windows, a much better program is ccleaner. (piriform.com).

Both are free programs, though ccleaner has a fee-based version that has a few more features.

Both of them have the ability to "shred" unwanted files, i.e., erase the file and then overwrite the space on the disk formerly occupied by the file with random data. I don't know how well BleachBit works in this regard, but ccleaner meets Dept of Defense requirements for the secure deletion of data.

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-10-12 09:05 AM | Reply

LOL at Clinton shills having the nerve to make fun of others over her email scandal.

"Satirical" level self awareness fail.

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2016-10-12 09:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A local data recovery company was able to recover data from a PIECE of a hard drive platter that had been overwritten 12 times in a demonstration. FROM JUST A PIECE of a platter.

#22 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-10-12 09:48 AM | Reply


@#22 ... recover data from a PIECE of a hard drive platter that had been overwritten 12 times in a demonstration ...

Not surprising. However, the PIECE of the platter aspect of the demo was nothing but showmanship. They can recover data from any piece of the platter, up to the whole platter, if they have it. A typical hard disk has multiple patters in it.

A few years ago, the DoD overwrite spec was 35 times overwrite with randomized data. I don't know what the spec is now.

You don't give enough detail about the demo you cite in order to determine how valid of a test it actually was. I am skeptical about its validity because of the showmanship that seems to be involved.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-10-12 09:57 AM | Reply

He should have said wiped it with a cloth.

#24 | Posted by patron at 2016-10-12 11:33 AM | Reply

Does it physically hurt to be that stupid?

#19 | POSTED BY 726

I heard it was quite blissful. Being fully present and aware has it's overwhelming moments when you finally Realize.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-12 11:50 AM | Reply

"Does it physically hurt to be that stupid?"

Ask yourself, even your post points to a requirement of shipment to an FFL to complete the transfer and thus the sale.

So you want to know if it hurts to be stupid? Ask the anti-gun loons that think you can just order a gun online like a cat keychain. Pure fantasy that any semblance of intelligence proves ridiculous so of course idiots will hold online purchases are actually a thing regardless of reality.

#26 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 12:05 PM | Reply

Ask the anti-gun loons that think you can just order a gun online like a cat keychain.

How about we ask the Justice Department?

Back in 2000, the Justice Department found about 4,000 websites offering guns for sale. Presumably the number has risen since.

Bob Ralph shuttered Express Police Supply, a brick-and-mortar store in Lenexa, Kan., that sold Smith & Wesson's M&P 15 semiautomatic rifles and Glock's 22 handguns, in 2011. Now he's gearing up for GunCycle.com. Ralph acknowledges that a private collector who auctioned a gun through his site could meet the buyer in a parking lot and hand over the weapon without a background check. "There would be no way for me to stop that or preclude that," he said. "And it would be legal for them to do it that way."

An undercover investigation by New York City of private firearms sales online in 2011 showed 62 percent of sellers agreed to sell a firearm to investigators posing as buyers who indicated they probably couldn't pass a background check.

"Buyers can buy and sellers can sell in almost complete anonymity. So if you're looking to avoid being seen – a paper trail or legal scrutiny – you're going to turn (to Internet sites) first," said Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The group, which includes more than 850 U.S. mayors, was co-founded by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

www.laketahoenews.net

Here's your sign!

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-12 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How about we ask the Justice Department?
Back in 2000, the Justice Department found about 4,000 websites offering guns for sale. Presumably the number has risen since."

Comprehension not a skill you have?

Missed this part did you?
"Ask yourself, even your post points to a requirement of shipment to an FFL to complete the transfer and thus the sale."

It is illegal to ship a firearm to anyone who does not hold and FFL of some sort. Of course there will always be some that do not abide by a law, there have been places you could buy drugs online too.
Pretending that meeting someone online and doing the sale in person is an online sale is as dumb as it gets.

So lets not pretend online sales are a thing to get around laws, its just laughable.

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 01:47 PM | Reply

But that saide, the laughable part is always worth it, and the anti-gun loons provide a plethora of material that is hilarious as you have shown yet again. But it's not really their fault, they are lied to and are to lazy to educate themselves on the subject, that part is their fault, the being lied to is not.

#29 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 01:48 PM | Reply

So Salamander, you're saying I can't buy a full-auto SAW on Amazon.com? Dang, seems like DailyHuffMediaKosPoMatters lied to me ;_;

#30 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-10-12 02:02 PM | Reply

#30

Amazing huh?
But selling truth does not drive up the emotions the same way and they need to make their money too right?

#31 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 02:06 PM | Reply

Missed this part did you?
"Ask yourself, even your post points to a requirement of shipment to an FFL to complete the transfer and thus the sale."

I guess you missed this part.

Ralph acknowledges that a private collector who auctioned a gun through his site could meet the buyer in a parking lot and hand over the weapon without a background check. "There would be no way for me to stop that or preclude that," he said. "And it would be legal for them to do it that way."

An undercover investigation by New York City of private firearms sales online in 2011 showed 62 percent of sellers agreed to sell a firearm to investigators posing as buyers who indicated they probably couldn't pass a background check.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-12 03:11 PM | Reply

As was mentioned in some other thread "gun show loophole" makes it sound like the loophole could be an accidetn.

A better way of describing it is: "Private party transaction background check exemption."

If Et_Al were to show up, he would provide reasons why this is deliberately so, such as being able to give your wife a shotgun on her birthday every year without having to do a background check on her every year.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 03:17 PM | Reply

#32

An in no honest way could that be called an internet sale.

Do you ever wonder why people try so hard to lie about internet gun sales?
Why they have to say such asinine things as classifieds or meetings from people found on the internet are internet sales?

According to some liars if i emailed someone about it that makes it an internet sale.

No part was missed but instead acknowledged for what it is. It is not an internet sale anymore than me looking up a restaurant online is internet food.

There is no loophole, it is a fabrication made up by those who wish to scare people and assume that those who would listen to them have the IQ of a tin of sardines.

#34 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 03:37 PM | Reply

An in no honest way could that be called an internet sale.

Really? If I sell something on Craig's List, to a person who comes over to my house, that's not an Internet sale?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 03:39 PM | Reply

There is no loophole

See #33

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-12 03:40 PM | Reply

"If I sell something on Craig's List, to a person who comes over to my house, that's not an Internet sale?"

Nope, is finding a restaurant online an internet sale?
Has the transaction taken place online?

No, so its beyond stupid to call it so.

"See #33"
Yes, private citizens have, or had in some states, to conduct private transactions without the oversight of the government. There was a degree of trust that those who would follow the laws would follow the laws, sad really that some have decided that private citizens cannot be trusted to do anything without oversight of government.

#37 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 03:45 PM | Reply

Nope, is finding a restaurant online an internet sale?
Has the transaction taken place online?

Ordering pizza thru the internet is an online sale.

Ordering a gun is as easy as ordering a pizza. You just have to meet the guy in a secluded not well lit parking lot to pick it up.

Grow up Salamander. Your assertion that you cannot buy guns though the internet without a background check is just not true.

Stand by for 50 posts of Sally beating around the Bush.

#38 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-12 04:53 PM | Reply

"Ordering pizza thru the internet is an online sale."

Yes, bought and paid for and awaiting delivery, the transaction is complete. Not the same at all with gun sales now is it?

"Ordering a gun is as easy as ordering a pizza."

That is the sort of rhetoric that makes the anti-gun loons sound so stupid.

" Your assertion that you cannot buy guns though the internet without a background check is just not true."

Only if you make the very dishonest argument that whatever method of communication becomes the method of sale.
By your "logic" newspapers sold guns too. So you have newspaper loopholes, builtin board loopholes, speaking over a fence loophole, number scrawled on a bathroom wall loophole...
You get the point, its beyond ridiculous to claim that meeting someone over the internet is an internet sale.

Luckily it's not up to people like you to redefine words and change the law, the courts have already spoken on this. So they would join me in hearty laughter at claims like yours.

See, the word you are looking for is internet marketing, not sales. Big difference.

Now grow up, educate yourself and your irrational fears of these mythical loopholes and ebay type gun sales will disappear and you can join those of us that live in reality.

#39 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-10-12 05:06 PM | Reply

God, I swear...90% of discussions here on the DR accomplish nothing but the splitting of hairs.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-10-12 05:53 PM | Reply

God, I swear...90% of discussions here on the DR accomplish nothing but the splitting of hairs.

#40 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I'd say a little more than nine out of 10, Rusty.

*blorp*

#41 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2016-10-12 06:55 PM | Reply

But then he talks about it being "an expensive process". Anyone who knows anything about computers knows that programs to permanently delete files are not "an expensive process".
#11

It can be an expensive process when you hire outside consultants at 100+ per hour to use the cloth...

#42 | Posted by Jimbob43 at 2016-10-12 10:28 PM | Reply

From what I've read, BleachBit allegedly renders deleted emails un-retrievable.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92

Hell, just ask hiltabeast.

#43 | Posted by Sniper at 2016-10-13 12:18 PM | Reply

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