Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Jonathan V. Last, Weekly Standard: There is one important sense in which Donald Trump "won" the debate on Sunday night: He did not implode. He wasn't "good," or attractive or knowledgeable. He was coarse and whiny and unpleasant. He lied constantly. And he became the first presidential candidate in the history of our Republic to promise that if elected he would attempt to have his opponent face criminal prosecution. Actually, he went a bit further than that, telling [Hillary] Clinton that if he is president, "You'd be in jail." Which, by the by, should terrify you and be disqualifying all on its own. But Trump didn't have a psychotic break onstage. And clearing that bar might be enough to keep Mike Pence, Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus from publicly disavowing his candidacy this week. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a win looks like for Trump these days.

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The three men with the power to force Trump's hand are Pence, Ryan and Priebus. And while none of them are foolish enough to think that Trump has a chance to be president, they may decide after tonight that pushing the self-destruct button on the party's presidential campaign is too risky; that it's better to try to ride out the storm.

Which means that there wasn't really a "winner" at the debate. Clinton was terrible. Trump was marginally worse. But the big loser was the Republican party. Because the worst-case scenario for November 9 is not that Hillary Clinton wins -- again, that cake is baked. It's that if the party does not cut Trump loose, then Democrats also take over the Senate. And carry the House.

And then as it attempts to rebuild from the wreckage, the GOP remains buried under its shameful Trumpian legacy.

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The Repubs have no one to blame but themselves.

Trump derangement syndrome aside. If the Repubs had done something to stop the lawlessness of Obama Trump would not have had a chance.

But they failed. The fact that some are now saying they would vote for Hillary shows exactly why people hold them in contempt.

They are willing to give up the Supreme Court to keep the status quo. As the status quo keeps them in power.

#1 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-10 08:58 AM | Reply

"If the Repubs had done something to stop the lawlessness of Obama"

Most of those mooks are lawyers, and all of them have lawyers working for them. Either Republicans are the most incompetent bunch of prosecutors in history, or Obama wasn't really "lawless", merely accused of it, again and again, by folks knowing their base would eat it up.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-10-10 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 13

the lawlessness of Obama

Well, there's gay marriage and ACA, both well-known to be horribly un-Constitutional. Amongst reightwing moonbats, anyways. And his illegally disarming America and interning millions of Texans during Jade Charade.

Just ask Alex Jones. Sawdust's political adviser.

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-10 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

And then as it attempts to rebuild from the wreckage, the GOP remains buried under its shameful Trumpian legacy.

Sadly, they'll probably conclude they need to double down on the Trumpian brand of crazy the next time around.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2016-10-10 11:50 AM | Reply

John Oliver nails it, and the GOP, especially McInsane.

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-10 03:27 PM | Reply

Where does the GOP go from here? Demographics have rendered them obsolete in the current form. One way or another they will either learn to leave behind their racist/misogynistic/xenophobic identity and learn how to appeal to more than aging white males, or they will be replaced by a new opposition party.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-10-11 02:22 PM | Reply

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-10-11 02:25 PM | Reply

Hey Michelle Bachmann said Trump gave a "Masterful performance" at the second debate and there is no GOP civil war.

Stay inside that bubble GOPers.

#8 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-10-11 02:34 PM | Reply

It's sad that it had to come to this. The Repubs did not stand up to Obama, Trump is enabled and now the corruption of Obama and the Clintons will be turned lose on the US.

Look for more IRS and other government agencies targeting opponents and the Justice Department looking away while people trade gov favors for their personal enrichment.

The Supreme Court will be filled with people who care a wit about the Constitution. First, our Second Amendment Rights will be restricted and then they will go after our First Amendment Rights.

This is going to happen quickly and it will be a mess.

#9 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 03:53 PM | Reply

The corruption of Obama? lol. Keep ------- that chicken.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-10-11 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

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#5 the kid in the Cleveland Indians jersey is great.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-11 04:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Keep f--king that chicken.

#10 | Posted by moder8

lol.

Seems they are a victim of their own lies and alternate reality. Any wonder why things are falling apart for them?

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-11 05:19 PM | Reply

Justice Department looking away while people trade gov favors for their personal enrichment.

The Supreme Court will be filled with people who care a wit about the Constitution.

#9 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

And there's your problem (And the problem with most Americans, honestly). You're well trained. You seem to believe that corruption is mostly confined to the side that you disagree with.

You don't seem to understand that somewhere around 95 percent of the people in Washington, no matter the letter behind their name, don't give a damn what you think. They're only in it for themselves and their cronies.

#13 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2016-10-11 05:53 PM | Reply

WHATS,

I agree with you. The Repubs are the same. That is why Trump happened.

The difference is that the Dems were willing to tilt the primary in Hillary's favor so that Bernie never had a chance.

This is the corruption.

Is anyone paying attention to the Wikileaks emails? You have people sending her the debate/townhall questions. The State Department is giving her forewarning when emails are coming out.
Obama's Justice Department looks the other way.

Does anyone believe this will stop when Hillary becomes president?

I agree with Trump. There is sincere hate in her heart. She will go after those who oppose her.

#14 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 07:02 PM | Reply

I agree with Drumpf.
#14 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Of course you do. But it's really nothing to be proud of. Like still believing Saddam had WMD or Obama was born in Kenya. Or that Played'oh Putin is fit to be President.

#15 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-11 07:20 PM | Reply

NORTH, You really do not know anything about me. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to make fun of people, Or that using funny names like Played'oh Putin, makes you look smart. Go for it.

#16 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 07:29 PM | Reply

The GOP should start a magazine called "The Weekly DOUBLE Standard"

- Barack Obama is taking too much power. He's a dictator!!
- Our aim under W was to make the presidency the most powerful ever. We'll imprison the opposition if elected

- We're the party of family values. We abhor any Democrat caught doing something wrong
- Family values only matter when it's someone in the other party who gets caught

- We're the party of fiscal responsibility
- When we had all the power under W we doubled the budget, slashed taxes, and doubled the debt

- We have to cut programs to pay for tax cuts
- When we were in power we doubled the budget and never asked anyone to pay for war or Medicare Part D or tax cuts

- Obama is a dictator for issuing so many executive orders
- George W Bush and Ronald Reagan both issued far more executive orders than Obama

- We can't afford to feed children or ensure old people don't starve
- We need to slash school lunch programs and entitlements because we don't have the money (but we don't want to increase revenues after slashing them in the 2000's, causing the massive deficits)

- The economy under Obama is a disaster
- Our #1 priority was ensuring Obama was a one term president

- We will do the People's business if given the chance
- We agreed to block anything and everything Obama proposed, and have been in session less than any Congress in American history since we took power

- Obama needs to send troops into Syria!! (2014)
- Obama's a war hawk who'll put our forces at risk!!

And the list of double standards goes on ...

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-11 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You really do not know anything about me."

We read your posts.

So, unless you are play acting like a Reality TV Star we know a lot about you.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-10-11 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mod,

"learn how to appeal to more than aging white males"

That is probably a self-correcting problem.

The economy is such we will continue to see more and more people feeding at the government trough.

It's really inevitable liberals are going to out number conservatives as things stand.

Democrats want free stuff and liberal politicians know how to play the game.

Those aging white males you refer have been primarily working to make the money that pays the freeloaders.

They're dying off.

I do wonder where the money will come from to keep the trough full in the coming years.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-10-11 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DONNER... The implication was that I believe that Obama is not a US citizen or that there were WMDs. Not the case.

What you about me is that I believe liberalism corrupts. Obama and Hillary are corrupt and they corrupt those around them.

In Obama's case look to the IRS and the Justice Department.

In Hillary's case look at how she used the State Department and her influence to enrich herself. Or how the DNC was corrupted to make sure she was elected.

Are you reading the Wikileaks stuff? Look at how liberalism has corrupted the press.

#20 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:34 PM | Reply

'FOBs': How Hillary's State Dept. Gave Special Attention to 'Friends of Bill' After Haiti Quake
ABCNews

#21 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:41 PM | Reply

Report: Univision chief urged Clinton camp to hit Trump, hacked emails show
TheHill

#22 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:44 PM | Reply

NYT/CNBC's John Harwood Advises Clinton Campaign, Gloats About Provoking Trump At Debate
DailyCaller

#23 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:45 PM | Reply

Donna Brazile Shared CNN Town Hall Questions With Clinton Camp
DailyCaller

#24 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:47 PM | Reply

State Dept Coordinated Email Release With Clinton Campaign
DailyCaller

#25 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:48 PM | Reply

The corruption is there for all to see.

#26 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 08:49 PM | Reply

"I do wonder where the money will come from to keep the trough full in the coming years."

Yet you don't question the tax system and the importation of manufactured goods by billionaires? FDR proved that we need to follow the policies of John Maynard Keynes and Alexander Hamilton. This isn't rocket science, we listened to an old fool and latched on to trickle down economics. Keynes and Hamilton both knew it was nonsense a long time ago. Return to sensible economic and trade policies and we can answer your question about where the money will come from.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2016-10-11 09:05 PM | Reply

DANNI, How will that work when Hillary realizes her dream of "Open Trade and Open Borders"? How about when she approves some form of TPP?

These are sensible economic and trade policies?

#28 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 09:14 PM | Reply

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I forgot on specific GOP Double Standard that should have been listed (there are a load of others ... )

- We're for strictly abiding by the Constitution
- We'll block a president from appointing a SC justice during the last year of his presidency because we can rather than abide by the Constitution and vote on a nominee he gets to pick per the Constitution.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-10-11 09:14 PM | Reply

Danni,

"Return to sensible economic and trade policies"

So long as the super rich continue to suck cash out of the economy and we continue to add more debt to the economy, we're f*****.

People have some fantasy we will work together to lift everyone up around the world.

Trump has said some interesting things regarding the balance of trade.

Too bad he may not get a stab at it.

Hillary has been bought and paid for so she'll be no help.

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2016-10-11 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You really do not know anything about me.

I know you're a rightwing GOPper flack who actually believes Cheeto Crotchgrabber is fit to be President. Anything else about you pales in comparison

#31 | Posted by northguy3 at 2016-10-11 09:50 PM | Reply

Typical, can't refute the corruption so call names.

Actually, that is part of the corruption. When leftist cannot win in the arena of ideas they resort to calling names.

They cannot defend their open border, open trade policies so they call those who oppose them, racists.

#32 | Posted by sawdust at 2016-10-11 10:07 PM | Reply

These are sensible economic and trade policies?

I believe she said it was a, her exact word, "Dream."

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-10-11 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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