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Wednesday, September 21, 2016

In an excerpt from a Fox News town hall billed as a "meeting on African-American concerns" and scheduled to air Wednesday night, Trump was asked how he would address "black-on-black crime."

Trump's claim that "in New York City, it was so incredible the way it worked" isn't quite accurate. The tactics used there have been broadly condemned for disproportionately targeting blacks and Latinos while only incrementally reducing crime.

In 2013, a federal judge ruled the practice was being used unconstitutionally in New York, calling it a "policy of indirect racial profiling" because the New York City Police Department disproportionately targeted black and Latino men during routine traffic stops. In her ruling, Judge Shira Scheindlin wrote that stop and frisk was "a demeaning and humiliating experience" for communities of color.

"No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life," she wrote.

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I don't know what the fuss is about.
No, really.
You can stop and frisk me anytime.
Make sure you pay attention to the pair of gold-plated, zircon-filled brass bowling balls I store in my codpiece.
Just below my bulging truss.
~ Fat Donald

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-21 05:27 PM | Reply

"No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life," she wrote.

If you disagree, vote Trump.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-21 05:35 PM | Reply

What...no one else enjoys a brisk frisk during an afternoon jaunt through the city?

In a similar affair, the last time I had the 'pleasure' of experiencing TSA, I commended the agent for his absolute thoroughness in assuring that my third leg was not a hidden firearm. Such is the price of airport travel and security these days.

#3 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-09-21 05:55 PM | Reply

TSA

Not the same as being stopped and frisked in public without cause.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-21 06:00 PM | Reply

I think they should Stop and Frisk in gang neighborhoods and high crime areas.

It would save lives.

#5 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-21 10:29 PM | Reply

Why do you hate the Constitution?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-21 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is Trump really this stupid, or does he just count on his 'supporters' being this stupid?

This level of dumb hurts.

assuring that my third leg was not a hidden firearm...
I've heard of pocket pool.

Ah - a pocket pistol. A derringer?

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-21 10:46 PM | Reply

Is Trump really this stupid, or does he just count on his 'supporters' being this stupid?

Trumpf knows exactly what he is saying and just who is playing to with comments like this.

From day one he has built a campaign on the pillars of habitual lying, racism and bigotry.

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2016-09-22 07:08 AM | Reply

#6 - why don't you want poor minority neighborhood's to be safe?

Do you think gang members should be able to roam the streets looking for victims.

Or would you like the police force to do its job and protect and serve.

Are the gang members rights more important than their victims.

#9 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 10:27 AM | Reply

#9 - Perhaps you should just work on forming your own thoughts rather than trying to put words in my mouth?
Seriously, nothing you said has anything to do with what I said.
You appear as clueless about Stop & Frisk as Trump is himself.

#10 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-22 10:52 AM | Reply

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My ESL friend.

Go back and pay attention.

Clueless,

You look that up?

#11 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 12:10 PM | Reply

Pay attention to what?
Your post?
I nailed it before you posted with "this level of dumb hurts."
Then you came along and proved my point.
All I can sat at this point is "Thanks!"

#12 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-22 01:01 PM | Reply

Are the gang members rights more important than their victims.

Presuming the victims are dead, then yes, gang member rights are a thing that still exists, whereas dead people aren't known for commanding much respect from the law.

Why do you ask?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 01:06 PM | Reply

Keep going Yav,

Keep going...

#14 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 03:53 PM | Reply

You bore me to death, Prolix.
Also learn how to use question marks. #9 was atrocious.
Have you figured out what the problem with Stop & Frisk is?
Why what Trump said is complete nonsense?
Just curious.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-22 03:56 PM | Reply

Yav, unlike you I speak and read english.

You might also want to look back and see I never addressed you.

Typical Democrat cry baby.

"Don't put words in my mouth!"

Knucklehead

#16 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 04:09 PM | Reply

Or would you like the police force to do its job and protect and serve.
Are the gang members rights more important than their victims.

#9 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

A gang member's (that committed no crime) rights are just as important as anyone else's. Why wouldn't they be?

Keep in mind, it is not illegal to be a member of a gang.

#17 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 04:12 PM | Reply

I agree.

But it is to carry a gun if you are a felon.

#18 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 04:13 PM | Reply

Not all gang members are felons.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 04:21 PM | Reply

Not all gang members are felons.

"Just the black ones."
-the GOP

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-22 04:24 PM | Reply

Most of them are.

It's part of the initiation.

At least that is my experience living in Los Angeles for over 50 years.

#21 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 04:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not all gang members are felons.
#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

"Just the black ones...wait, there are gang members who aren't black?"
-the GOP

FTFY!

hahaha

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

At least that is my experience living in Los Angeles for over 50 years.
#21 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

You've conversed with most of the gang members in Los Angeles over the last 50 years? Interesting hobby you must have.

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 04:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22

Hahahahaha!!

That actually gave me a good laugh.

😂😂🐒💩

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-22 04:37 PM | Reply

Most of them are.
It's part of the initiation.
At least that is my experience living in Los Angeles for over 50 years.
#21 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2016-09-22 04:34 PM | FLAG:

Most of them are what? Black?

In my experience. Most gang members in Los Angeles are Salvadorian and Mexican.

Black gangs were so 1980s.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-22 04:45 PM | Reply

I grew up here, 80's included. I grew-up with some that went that route, black, brown, yellow, white. This is LA.

All the gangs are still here.

That is my point.

Why wouldn't we want to make those poor neighborhoods family friendly?

#26 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 05:27 PM | Reply

Black gangs were so 1980s.
#25 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Told you illegal immigration was bad, Blacks can't even get a job being in a gang anymore....

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-22 05:30 PM | Reply

That is my point -PROLIX247

But RSTY's point is GangMembers are people too.......

Why wouldn't we want to make those poor neighborhoods family friendly?
#26 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

Because families become Republicans.....

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-22 05:32 PM | Reply

That's how to make neighrborhoods family friendly, by having the police stop and frisk individual family members without cause or suspicion?

I'd like some of what you're smoking. You got the good stuff brah.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 05:32 PM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Where we are going with our current methods, is known as "radio" policing.

Which means the cops only get out of their cars to address a called in crime, that is what is causing the crime to skyrocket in high crime neighborhoods.

BrokenWindow policing is walking the beat, getting to know the neighborhood, and when something is amiss, stop and inquire.

Its a dichotomy is brought about by the FergusonEffect, there is no middle of the road anymore, as your comment mentions you have no middle ground.

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-22 05:38 PM | Reply

Mackris things are either Constitutional or they are not. There is no middle ground.

You're pretending to take a reasonable position so you can continue to be an ideologue.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 05:40 PM | Reply

Because brain damaged families become Republicans.....
#28 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2016-09-22 05:32 PM | REPLY

That explains a lot.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-22 05:52 PM | Reply

Yes, that is how to make a neighborhood family friendly, get rid of the crime.

Most would enjoy being able to go outside without being shot, or not having their children sleep in the bathtub.

Don't you want that for poor minority families?

A little peace and respect?

#33 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 06:27 PM | Reply

Yes, that is how to make a neighborhood family friendly, get rid of the crime.

Nice bait and switch.
First it was stop and frisk.
Now it's get rid of crime.

Maybe three card monty works in your hood.
Not here.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 06:33 PM | Reply

What do you think the purpose of Stop and Frisk would be?

To hand out Bar-B-Que?

Care to answer the question?

#35 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 06:43 PM | Reply

Why wouldn't we want to make those poor neighborhoods family friendly?
#26 | POSTED BY PROLIX247

We do! And yet the tough on crime advocates (seemingly you) keep pushing for methods that are ineffective in doing what you asked. Funny some of you folks are not interested in tactic innovation.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 06:47 PM | Reply

BrokenWindow policing is walking the beat, getting to know the neighborhood, and when something is amiss, stop and inquire.

I believe you're confusing Broken Window theory with Community policing. Broken Windows theory, as applied to crime, posits that a building with a broken window that remains unfixed attracts crime and delinquency as by not repairing the broken window offers a sense that the area is not cared for and not often frequented, opening the entire area up to an escalation from squatters, drug dealers/users, and other various delinquency to more serious forms of crime.

Community policing is "the system of allocating police officers to particular areas so that they become familiar with the local inhabitants."

Please correct me if I misinterpreted or am in error.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PROLIX -

I implore you to watch the following for some context regarding police in high crime, urban environments:

www.youtube.com

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 07:00 PM | Reply

Stop and Frisk did NOT stop very much crime:

12 years of data from New York City suggest stop-and-frisk wasn't that effective
www.washingtonpost.com

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 07:02 PM | Reply

^In fact, it's more than likely that the Stop and Frisk tactic worsened police and community relations, thereby exacerbating delinquency and limiting community cooperation in investigations.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 07:06 PM | Reply

What do you think the purpose of Stop and Frisk would be?

To ensure the community doesn't trust the police, and vice versa.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:07 PM | Reply

Show me any neighborhood that asked for their own residents to be randomly stopped and frisked with no probable cause.

You'd have to really love Big Brother to want his goons posted up on your block, routinely stopping and frisking your family without cause, just for living there.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To ensure the community doesn't trust the police, and vice versa.
#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If THAT was the intent, they succeeded overwhelmingly.

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-22 07:13 PM | Reply

I'm not a tough on crime person. So put your stereotypes away.

I am being realistic.

How would you make gang territory safe? Do nothing till another person is killed?

Reactionary policing is capitulation and an endorsement of the conditions poor people are left to deal with.

As a larger community we should support our less fortunate and allow them to live in safe neighborhoods so they can thrive and break their cycle of poverty.

#44 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 07:19 PM | Reply

Now that we've run the experiment, and seen the results, it's guaranteed that stop and frisk will only worsen race relations and relations between poor communities and the police.

But people like Trump and Prolix here know everything, that's why they have no need to review facts. It's all shooting from the hip and going with your gut.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:21 PM | Reply

How would you make gang territory safe?

Move in a lot of rich white folks.
Then the cops will have someone to serve and something to protect.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:22 PM | Reply

How would you make gang territory safe?

Decriminalize all drugs and cut out the financial support for the gangs.
Fun fact, this is exactly what Trump said to do in 1991.
Now he doesn't say that anymore.
And we never did it.

Are gangs worse now than they were 25 years ago?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:25 PM | Reply

#46 - So you got nothing, nada, zilch.

but you will criticize anything that does not fit your political ideology and feel superior while bringing nothing to the table but criticism.

So nothing gets done except you pat yourself on the back for feeling superior in morality.

More kids will die while you clutch to your high morality.

How many kids have to die before we do anything?

Again, why do you think poor minorities deserve to live in these conditions?

#48 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 07:31 PM | Reply

#47 - extortion has nothing to do with drugs. You don't know how gangs work do you?

How many people have died by gangs in 25 years? Ask their families if it's worse now or then.

#49 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 07:34 PM | Reply

So nothing gets done except you pat yourself on the back for feeling superior in morality.

You don't seem to understand this one simple thing:
Stop and Frisk worsens relations between the police and the communities they stop and frisk.
It's worse than doing nothing.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:41 PM | Reply

How many kids have to die before we do anything?

Who cares?
I'm sure it sucks to be a dead kid.
World's chock-a-block with 'em.

Were you planning on discussing policy in a meaningful way?
Or are you content to just sit there blubbering in self-righteous pity?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So you think it is okay to allow minorities to live in these conditions because some may feel offended if you actually policed their neighborhood?

#52 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 07:49 PM | Reply

I am discussing policy,

Mine is to Stop & Frisk in high crime neighborhoods to protect the innocent American Citizens from criminal enterprises.

It seems you are saying that it is irresponsible because some people may be offended and it is okay if kids are killed because they die every day.

Is that right?

#53 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 07:56 PM | Reply

So you think it is okay to allow minorities to live in these conditions

I don't think applying a policy of stop and frisk will deliver meaningful improvement.
Why do I think that?
Because that's what we learned from doing it in New York City for years.

Maybe you could say what empirical data leads you to conclude this unconstitutional policy would bring the changes you foretell.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 07:59 PM | Reply

Presence in and of itself is a deterrent, why would you do nothing? Because it does not affect you?

Anything is an improvement.

If you are a Hillary supporter you are already 100% behind the surveillance/police state yet you don't see the disconnect?

#55 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 08:09 PM | Reply

Presence in and of itself is a deterrent

You didn't ask for presence, you asked for stop and frisk.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:12 PM | Reply

If you are a Hillary supporter you are already 100% behind the surveillance/police state yet you don't see the disconnect?

Whoever becomes President will inherit the largest surveillance dragnet the world has ever seen, and they're not going to stop using it.

This issue is not in play, nor is it particularly germane to stop and frisk. Other search policies, tools like Stingray, are of course used to wage the pointless oppressive War on Drugs, which in turn powers the gangs, and perpetuates the cycle of lawlessness, violence, and poverty.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:15 PM | Reply

Let me be clear:
Trump had this figured out in 1991 when he said to decriminalize drugs.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:16 PM | Reply

Does one have to be present to Stop and Frisk?

Of course support for the police state is relevant, why does the government allow this to continue with all their tools and resources.

Again, extortion has nothing to do with drugs.

#59 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 08:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy - why do you think gangs only deal drugs? You keep going back to that.

Drugs could be legalized tomorrow and it wont stop gang activity.

#60 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 08:29 PM | Reply

Again, extortion has nothing to do with drugs.

I don't know why you keep mentioning this.
Is extortion a popular crime for LA gangs?
How stop and frisk would put an end extortion is also far from clear.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:30 PM | Reply

Drugs could be legalized tomorrow and it wont stop gang activity.

Same is true of stop and frisk, but that doesn't stop you from touting it.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:31 PM | Reply

Snoofy - you don't know how gangs work.

Extortion
Robbery
Prostitution
Human Trafficking
Assassinations

Are just a few more things gangs do.

You really don't know what you are discussing, you need to turn off your TV.

Just look at what you posted and did not respond too.

It says it all...

#63 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 08:39 PM | Reply

#61 - See what I mean, you don't think guns are used to extort people.

Your hopeless or simply deflecting.

#64 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 08:42 PM | Reply

So, how does stop and frisk stop all that?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:51 PM | Reply

Feel free to use data in your explanation, especially if you want me to think it's something more than your daydream.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 08:52 PM | Reply

www.huffingtonpost.com

Here is an article from the Huffington Post that shows guns were confiscated due to Stop and Search.

You can say it is not enough recovery but these are 176 weapons that were not used in a crime.

#67 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can say it is not enough recovery but these are 176 weapons that were not used in a crime.

Out of about 300,000,000 weapons not used in a crime.
Weapons are plentiful. They're not hard to replace.
This is like saying you swatted 176 mosquitoes on a Minnesota summer night.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 09:10 PM | Reply

From your link
"In Brownsville, Brooklyn In 2009, 93 Out Of Every 100 Residents Were Stopped By The NYPD"

Would this make you feel safe, if the police stopped and frisked 93 out of 100 people in your hood?
Or would it make you feel like the police were riding your whole neighborhoods jock just because they can?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 09:13 PM | Reply

Snoofy - I live in a expensive neighborhood, I am already safe.

I am saying we should provide a safe neighborhood for everyone. If Pro-Active policing is what is needed, I say go ahead.

We have to provide a safe environment for people to thrive and move up the ladder of success. That's is good for everyone.

Doing nothing relegates people to a slave status. They have no control over their lives. I say free them all from the oppression they experience daily.

Your saying do nothing because.

I believe their are no problems, only solutions.

There is an old African Saying, "The best way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time," we don't even have an elephant yet...

#70 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 09:31 PM | Reply

Snoofy - I live in a expensive neighborhood, I am already safe.

Congratulations, you've figured out what makes neighborhoods safe.
Wealth.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy - your young aren't you? No offense.

Don't assume things about people you don't know.

it makes you look shallow.

I'm done with you.

You should go back and see what you have written.

#72 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-22 09:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Don't assume things about people you don't know.

Huh?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 09:56 PM | Reply

Snoofy - your young aren't you? No offense.

Young is a compliment in the current cultural paradigm.
From botox to bleaching a part of your body we can't talk about here.
I'm about the same age as Marco Rubio.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-22 09:57 PM | Reply

ROFL!

#75 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-22 11:22 PM | Reply

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