Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, September 21, 2016

Timothy Edgar: The American Civil Liberties Union and Amnesty International have launched a campaign calling for President Obama to pardon former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. I support that campaign, but not because I simply see Snowden as a hero and the NSA as a villain. I've served on both sides, first as the national security counsel for the ACLU and then later as the director of privacy and civil liberties for the White House National Security Staff during Mr. Obama's first term. ... While Snowden took an oath to the U.S. Constitution, not to the internet or some ideal of global ethics, the U.S. has committed itself to a universal right to privacy. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which the U.S. has ratified, provides a right against "arbitrary or unlawful interference" with anyone's "privacy, family, home or correspondence." Respect for the right of every human being to privacy is consistent with American values. Because of Snowden, the U.S. government is taking that right more seriously.

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I really agree with this. Regardless of what you may think of Snowden as an individual, the fact of the matter is he performed a tremendous service for all Americans and American values such as the right to privacy, and the traditional prohibition against the government being allowed to spy on the citizenry without warrants signed by independents courts of law. THe NSA was completely out of line. And solely because of Snowden, we now all know it.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-21 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Queue up the haters.

#2 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-09-21 04:20 PM | Reply

Why does there seem to be a correlation between Snowden haters and fervent HRC supporters? Seriously. I don't get it. I believe there is a connection on a philosophic or political level, but I don't see it. Is it a mind-set of being obsequious to large government? As if we, as Americans, have an obligation to genuflect to big government? That is a pretty messed up view of our government's relationship with the citizenry. IMO

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-21 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He did the crime ......

#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2016-09-21 04:25 PM | Reply

"He did the crime ......"

Kinda like Rosa Parks, right?

#5 | Posted by bocaink at 2016-09-21 04:31 PM | Reply

YEA his dignity was at stake.

EXACTLY like it.

#6 | Posted by fresno500 at 2016-09-21 04:42 PM | Reply

Why does there seem to be a correlation between Snowden haters and fervent HRC supporters? Seriously. I don't get it. I believe there is a connection on a philosophic or political level, but I don't see it. Is it a mind-set of being obsequious to large government? As if we, as Americans, have an obligation to genuflect to big government? That is a pretty messed up view of our government's relationship with the citizenry. IMO
#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-21 04:24 PM
If he made the same revelations in the same manner and took the same actions to ensure he didn't end up in Gitmo during a Repub presidency, they would think he's the bees' knees.

#7 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-09-21 04:50 PM | Reply

Shrub did the crime when he invaded Iraq, along with a whole squadron of other support staff indifferent to the truth and international law. Then there's the 2008 financial meltdown, which was caused by the USA and certain individuals whose greed led to fraud and insane gambling bets: They include Blankfein, Bush, Casano, Cayne, Clinton, Corbet, Corsine, Devaney, Fuld, Geithner, Goodwin, Gramm, Greenspan, Jablin, Jiabao, Lereah, McCarthy, Mozilo, Oddsson, O'Neal, Paulson, Raines, Ranieri, the Sandlers, Weill yet not a single one has been even charged with a crime, let alone convicted. Well one, Bernie Madoff, who was in a class all by himself.

They left out Rubin and Summers, also key players in this tens of trillions of dollars crime spree which destroyed home ownership for 10 million Americans, among other consequences.

for details on the rest see:
content.time.com

#8 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-21 05:21 PM | Reply

content.time.com

#9 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-21 05:21 PM | Reply

We don't need a Covenant,

We have a Constitution.

Wait...

#10 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-21 05:22 PM | Reply

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For the Sake of Privacy, Pardon Snowden

PRIVACY?

It's already dead. Millennials, tech companies, and the government have decided it was an antiquated concept and don't care that it's gone.

Their excuse now is "well if you don't like it, you dont have to go online". Which basically means becoming amish.

And you're still on camera every time you leave the house and tracked whereever you take your phone.

And Hillary wants government to have MORE access and power online to know EVERYTHING so the scary tewwowists don't make us sad.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-21 05:37 PM | Reply

John Devaney wasn't a cause of the financial crisis, despite what Time's list may state. He extolled the dangers of the MBS asset-classes at the Miami conference and then was caught overweight in those assets when the big unwinding and devaluation occurred a few months later. Devaney wasn't even a ABS originator, but a liquidity provider as the CEO/CIO at a small time shop (judged by AUM) in South Florida. Far from the political financial elitists mentioned alongside his name in the Time list.

He was more akin to the being the floatsome (bag holder of devalued assets) caught in the tsunami (economic downturn) caused by the massive earthquake (poor public policy/untrustworthy credit agencies/originators of risky ABS derivative products) in the financial crisis.

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-09-21 05:39 PM | Reply

Why does there seem to be a correlation between Snowden haters and fervent HRC supporters? Seriously. I don't get it. I believe there is a connection on a philosophic or political level, but I don't see it. Is it a mind-set of being obsequious to large government? As if we, as Americans, have an obligation to genuflect to big government? That is a pretty messed up view of our government's relationship with the citizenry. IMO

#3 | Posted by moder8

I've noticed that too. But are you suprised that those who choose the military/corporate candidate take the military corporate point of view?
That's on the left. Only extreme right libertarians like snowden. The rest of conservatives want him to hang.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-21 05:40 PM | Reply

I bet Devaney is having some major schadenfreude regarding Deutsche Bank's recent struggles in the financial arena. One of the major catalysts causing Devaney to temporarily close shop as a portfolio manager and issue redemption to customers was due to $DB suddenly issuing a margin call on Devaney's primary leveraged fund.

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-09-21 05:43 PM | Reply

Hahah, damnnnn you Nutcase for sidetracking a "Pardon Snowden" thread into a dialogue of the financial crisis.

#15 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2016-09-21 05:44 PM | Reply

If you have enough money and power you can commit any crime. If you don't they'll pile on you just like Snowden. God only knows what Trump might do.

Political Science
Randy Newman

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens
We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us
We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too
Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-21 06:03 PM | Reply

Do the right thing, Obama.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-21 10:31 PM | Reply

Snowden did some good things. But he should have quit while he was ahead. I have no pity for him. Prosecute him, give deference to the good he did, and punish him if found guilty.

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-09-22 11:12 AM | Reply

Prosecute him, give deference to the good he did, and punish him if found guilty.

#18 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Wake up!

He would never get a fair trial.

You and so many apparently have no idea what he has done for you.

Forgive them Father. For they know not what they do.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-22 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You notice that while pro-big government hacks are calling for Snowden's prosecution, none of them are calling for the prosecution of the NSA honchos who illegally allowed the surveillance of American citizens for years and years. Really tells you all you need to know about the mindset of most people out to get Snowden.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-22 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They probably think the ACLU and Amnesty International are now secret spies working for Putin.

#21 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-09-22 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When we talked about it before Snowden everyone told us we were conspiracy theorists and losers.
But we were right.

Actually, we painted ourselves as conspiracy theorists and losers to explain to ourselves why nobody was listening to us.
Truth is, most people just don't give a care.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-23 01:52 AM | Reply

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