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Tuesday, September 20, 2016

California on Monday moved to restrict air pollutants from sources as diverse as diesel trucks and cow flatulence, the latest of several efforts in the most populous U.S. state to reduce emissions leading to climate change. "We're protecting people's lungs, their health by cutting out a poisonous chemical that comes out of diesel trucks," Brown said at a signing ceremony in the Los Angeles suburb of Long Beach, where trucks at the nation's largest port complex spew particulate matter, including black carbon, along clogged freeways, contributing to high rates of asthma and other conditions in some of the region's poorest areas.

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[The bill] would also require the state's dairy industry, which produces 20 percent of the country's milk, to find a way to reduce methane produced by cow flatulence and manure.

One technology for doing that is known as a methane digester, which turns the gas into usable fuel. Such equipment is expensive, however, which worries the state's dairy farmers.

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So............... CA is going to import their milk from AZ. How does that solve anything?

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2016-09-20 12:32 PM | Reply

And you wonder why our country is designed as 50 independent states...

Nothing in that loony state should affect me...

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2016-09-20 12:40 PM | Reply

And all this time we Californians had thought it was car emissions creating all that smog over the years -- or so we were told -- only to find out now cow farts were the culprit.

#3 | Posted by CalifChris at 2016-09-20 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And you wonder why our country is designed as 50 independent states...

State lines that you want to get rid of when it comes to health insurance regulation...
Because you know nothing about nothing.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-20 04:34 PM | Reply

And you wonder why our country is designed as 50 independent states...

Nothing in that loony state should affect me...

#2 | Posted by boaz

If your state's pollutants stayed in your state and only caused climate change in your state, I'd be fine with letting you morons pollute yourselves to death.

It doesn't work that way. And the smart states are trying to do something about it. While the dumb states say it's all a hoax.

#6 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-20 06:00 PM | Reply

Speaks,

I understand your point (and am in favor of federal environmental regs) but I've gotta tell ya, as a Michigander I am not concerned with cow flatulence in Ohio.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2016-09-20 06:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One technology for doing that is known as a methane digester, which turns the gas into usable fuel. Such equipment is expensive, however, which worries the state's dairy farmers.

Well some one will create a business to come pick up the manure and transport it to the digester, this will increase the cost of milk, and thus affect the poor directly. But not to worry, I saw you could buy a 12pack of Sprite for $2.00.

Of course this creates more traffic and congestion, the I-5 corridor has many "cow" farms, and the smell is something you don't get rid of quickly. Not only that but the large scale digesters are notorious for spewing out ammonia and aren't a panacea for reducing CAFO. Yet, I am sure this will now become another regulated industry.

Pricing the whole idea of COWS right out of the market place.

Sacramento has some of the nations most congested roads, this Friday I saw at least 15miles of bumper to bumper traffic. Perhaps Moonbeam could help KJ fix that problem ......
www.sacbee.com

So............... CA is going to import their milk from AZ. How does that solve anything?
#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Agreed, we also import our energy.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-20 06:10 PM | Reply

I understand your point (and am in favor of federal environmental regs) but I've gotta tell ya, as a Michigander I am not concerned with cow flatulence in Ohio.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ

Conservatives are going to focus on the "cow farts" part of this story, even though that's just a small part of the actual regulation. But it's the silly sounding part that will make all the climate deniers chuckle, and ignore the rest of the story. Don't fall for that.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-20 06:19 PM | Reply

Why can't ranchers give the cows Beano?

#10 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-20 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11 | Posted by tmaster

Yeah its hard to see evidence of anything with your head up exxon's butt.

Keep cheerleading the polluters dummy.
I guess "conservatism" only applies to exxon's stock price, not the planet your kids will inherit.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-20 06:38 PM | Reply

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So............... CA is going to import their milk from AZ. How does that solve anything?

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2016-09-20 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you wonder why our country is designed as 50 independent states...

Nothing in that loony state should affect me...

#2 | Posted by boaz

LOL

Sorry we can't help you two.

There was nothing in there about preventing you from sniffing too many of your own farts.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-20 06:49 PM | Reply

as a Michigander I am not concerned with cow flatulence in Ohio.

#7 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Isn't up wind Wisconsin the dairy capital of the U.S.?

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2016-09-20 07:21 PM | Reply

There was nothing in there about preventing you from sniffing too many of your own farts.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy

WTF does that have to do with anything?

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2016-09-20 07:42 PM | Reply

RE #15

One good non-sequitur deserves another.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-20 08:02 PM | Reply

Why can't ranchers give the cows Beano?

#10 | POSTED BY DANNI A

In austrailia they are looking at using Algae as feed. Easy to produce and cuts down on gas.

#17 | Posted by patron at 2016-09-20 10:19 PM | Reply

The term "methane digester" is confusing to me. Cows cannot be plugged into equipment all day long, on either end. I have designed many anaerobic digesters, which reduce human or cow solid waste to compost, CO2 and methane. The methane can be burned to make electricity but the CO2 doesn't burn and reduces the heating value of the methane. Nothing in the article indicates how methane production would be reduced, at least for a dairy farmer.

#18 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-20 11:40 PM | Reply

Re#18

Not sure if he can read but feel free to share this link with sniper.

www.epa.gov

#19 | Posted by Donnerboy at 2016-09-21 11:07 AM | Reply

Its not cows we need to be regulating its junk scientist who push this giant scam.

They need to be arrested for pushing a unproven and many times disproved theory.

Methane is a short lived gas and experts say it has nothing to do with global warming.

#20 | Posted by tmaster at 2016-09-21 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Mr Trump, please build that wall ...... around California. - Boaz

#21 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2016-09-21 12:47 PM | Reply

Donner confirms that the author misunderstands the problem and solution by inventing s non-existent term, "methane digester". What is most likely pending is the requirement to contain and process cow manure, a source of methane and carbon dioxide. Processing this solid waste can produce compost, and generate electricity. However, for small facilities, electric generation is not economically competitive because of the maintenance costs associated with the operations. hat is whether you have a 30 MW or 3 MW plant, many of your operating and maintenance costs are the same, unless maybe robots can do it.

tmaster is off base again. While methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, there is over 200 times more CO2 in the atmosphere. Hence the amount of warming methane contributes is 28% of the warming CO2 contributes.

#22 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-21 12:50 PM | Reply

Donner confirms that the author misunderstands the problem and solution by inventing s non-existent term, "methane digester".

Everything you say seems correct except the term does exist elsewhere and the author did not make it up. It is a tested and proven technology and is already in use in many places. No import of milk from Arizona will be necessary. And it looks like it actually may pay for itself or even make money.

Anaerobic (manure) Digester and Methane Digester are basically interchangeable terms.

Apparently.

Manure/Methane Digester

Anaerobic manure digesters (also called methane digesters) collect manure and convert the energy stored in its organic matter into methane, which is used to produce energy (gas or electricity) for on-farm or off-farm use. The conversion to methane is the result of anaerobic digestion -- a biochemical process in which organic matter is decomposed by bacteria in the absence of oxygen. Digesters must be airtight (no oxygen) for anaerobic digestion to occur.

www.mda.state.mn.us

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-21 03:12 PM | Reply

I think they are referring to the mega tons of cow crap stored in massive lagoons...not cow farts. The lagoons heat up, and produce a whole-lotta-methane.

They probably want them to put in digesters to produce power or confine the methane, and do harmless burn offs.

But then again we are talking Ca here so who knows.

#24 | Posted by kerrin57 at 2016-09-21 05:14 PM | Reply

They're just trying to drive out the poor and the immigrants. California is going to be for those that can afford it.

#25 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2016-09-21 06:16 PM | Reply

What's next? Will the geniuses in CA start regulating Mexican food?

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2016-09-21 06:28 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by CalifChris

Hi CC!

Hope everything is going great!

#27 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-22 02:36 PM | Reply

So............... CA is going to import their milk from AZ. How does that solve anything?

#1 | Posted by Sniper

Same way they 'solve' everything in CA-they don't.

The one way is to export the cows to AZ, WA, OR and NV.

#28 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-22 02:39 PM | Reply

I have designed many anaerobic digesters. They are standard equipment in almost every sewage treatment plant. They are usually a concrete tank with a steel dome roof and a mixer. They do not digest methane, the process generates a gas mixture of about 50% methane and 50% CO2, plus sterile sludge which is usually dried into compost. The gas mixture is a very poor fuel but can be separated at additional cost to become suitable for addition to natural gas pipelines. It can be burned without separation in a diesel engine, but the engine will not perform at its rated capacity.

When you burn the methane, for any reason, you make more CO2. No matter what you do the CO2 proportion of the atmosphere just keeps rising. We are doomed unless we kill half the human population and reforest the planet.

#29 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-22 02:53 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by nutcase, so who will decide who lives and who dies? Climate change is real enough. You solutions are what is suspect. Want to wipe out half the worlds population in five years, disrupt most of the governments, cause a world war? That is easy, simply have this country stop exporting food. We decreased corn exports about 10% for the sake of ethanol and three governments fell in the middle east in the next three years and one started a protracted civil war. The price of bulk corn rose 50%. The impact of that rise is still being felt. The truly unfunny thing is making ethanol out of corn does not save a bit of oil. Not one barrel. Someone forgot to figure the fact that fertilizer and farm machinery require oil and natural gas, quite a lot of it.

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2016-09-23 10:47 AM | Reply

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