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Monday, September 19, 2016

Donald Trump on Monday said the U.S. needs to accelerate the fight against the so-called Islamic State. But when asked by Fox News host Steve Doocy exactly how he would "change the playbook" against the militant group known as ISIS if elected, Trump offered little more than feel-good bromides and chest-pounding machismo like "we have to get tough." For over a year Trump claimed he had a secret plan to take out ISIS -- one he said he did not wish to share with America's enemies in order to stay unpredictable. "When I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine, or maybe doesn't, I may love what the generals come back with," he said. Hillary Clinton mocked Trump's comments in a press conference in Philadelphia on Monday. "He keeps saying he has a secret plan. Well, the secret is he has no plan," Clinton said.

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"When I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine, or maybe doesn't, I may love what the generals come back with."

WTF does that even mean?

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-19 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

ISIS can't be defeated....it's a fools errand. any claims to the contrary are either naivety, wishful thinking, or outright lies.

And both candidates are spouting nonsense about how 'their plan' would work, details or not.

If Clinton's/DEM's plan was so great, we wouldn't be dealing with Iraq, Afghan, Yemen, Libya, Syria today.

But we are. so we know her plan is useless. I doubt Trump knows anything about planning a war. so, just as useless.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-19 04:33 PM | Reply

The only things Trump has experience planning are scams and bankruptcies.

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-19 04:41 PM | Reply

#3 I can't argue that. The point is, attempting to stamp out an ideology with military force is useless.

Bombs are like seed and fertilizer to these people.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-19 05:28 PM | Reply

Oh, no, instead let us just telegraph our moves like when obama informed the world when he was withdrawing our troops from Iran - that worked so well...

#5 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-09-19 06:39 PM | Reply

Withdrawing our troops from Iran.
Geopolitical scholar . You're as smart as Trump.

#6 | Posted by bruceaz at 2016-09-19 06:55 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ AT 2016-09-19 06:55 PM | FLAG: What can I say, as we all know ISIS definitely approved of obama's 'strategy'.

#7 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-09-19 07:01 PM | Reply

Winning!

#8 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-09-19 07:04 PM | Reply

We haven't had troops in Iran since they were supposed to protect the embassy. Scholar

#9 | Posted by bruceaz at 2016-09-19 07:11 PM | Reply

ISIS can't be defeated....it's a fools errand. any claims to the contrary are either naivety, wishful thinking, or outright lies.

"I am authorized to say that the action we are now reporting may well bring the war within measurable distance of its end."

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-19 07:48 PM | Reply

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Oh, no, instead let us just telegraph our moves like when obama informed the world when he was withdrawing our troops from Iran - that worked so well...

You mean Iraq, not Iran.

The date for our troop withdrawal from Iraq was decided by President Bush and ratified in the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008.

Can you admit that Trump has no "secret plan" to defeat ISIS and he's just BSing?

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-19 07:58 PM | Reply

You mean Iraq not Iran

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#12 | Posted by bruceaz at 2016-09-19 08:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How did our generals do against the Viet Cong? the Taliban? About the same as ISIS. From each major conflict we start, horrors later emerge, like pol pot, the Khmer Rouge, Pinochet......always worse that the original fake excuse for intervention in the first place.

We can always pay for more war, however poorly conceived, but doing the right thing always entails political war for years even decades.

#13 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-19 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Americans have also been made to pay through the nose for the government's endless wars, subsidization of foreign nations, military empire, welfare state, roads to nowhere, bloated workforce, secret agencies, fusion centers, private prisons, biometric databases, invasive technologies, arsenal of weapons, and every other budgetary line item that is contributing to the fast-growing wealth of the corporate elite at the expense of those who are barely making ends meet -- that is, we the taxpayers.

#14 | Posted by nutcase at 2016-09-19 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

RE #14

Very good point Nutcase.

And if the 1% wants to continue down this path then they need to accept more tax increases to pay for it.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-19 08:32 PM | Reply

#5 Jesus H you actually buy that lame excuse?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2016-09-19 08:45 PM | Reply

Apparently Trump thinks ISIS is a 13 year old girl.

But hey, if they will each buy his 35K course, "How to Be a Really, Really Hugely Best Jihadist Today!" from Trump U., he may keep trying to Make America Afraid Again for them.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2016-09-19 08:53 PM | Reply

Can you admit that Trump has no "secret plan" to defeat ISIS and he's just BSing?

#11 | POSTED BY RCADE

If he won't, I will....It's utter nonsense. Radical Islamists will only grow the more we fight them.

and we won't stop. that's the insanity in it. we built that monster, and now we can't kill it.

We should run away like we did in Vietnam...but we won't. because it's spreading like Vietnam never did.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-19 08:54 PM | Reply

Its a reasonable mocking.... but Obama was president and he had no plan, and Liberals here defended him.

Whats her plan again?

The date for our troop withdrawal from Iraq was decided by President Bush and ratified in the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement in 2008. -RCade

How could Obama run on getting us out of Iraq if that was the case? "that U.S. troops should leave Iraq quickly and in an orderly fashion ("as careful getting out as we were careless getting in"); and that the United States should not have permanent bases inside Iraq. - Obama 2007 campaign.

Obama had 3 yrs to put a new SOFA in place.

Even Panetta said the Obama WH didn't push hard to reach a deal, we all know why, Obama promised to leave.

To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them. Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President's active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away. The deal never materialized. To this day, I believe that a small U.S. troop presence in Iraq could have effectively advised the Iraqi military on how to deal with al-Qaeda's resurgence and the sectarian violence that has engulfed the country.- Panetta

Clinton flip flops, first blaming Bush for leaving early, then giving credit to Obama for leaving.

"I intend to end this war," Obama said. "My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission. And that is to end this war. Responsibly, deliberately, but decisively. And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month. And again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months' time." - Obama

LOL, other than the JV Team, he didn't end it though did he? He expanded it.

How did our generals do against the Viet Cong?
the Taliban?
About the same as ISIS.

These are political wars, lets take off the gloves, and build an empire, and colonize like the old European states Liberals love so much.

#14 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

Sheesh we are paying through the nose for an entitlement state. 66% of the budget is entitlement spending. While Military spending has shrunk relative to GDP, entitlements continue to go through the roof.
www.usgovernmentspending.com

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-19 09:15 PM | Reply

... Obama was president and he had no plan, and Liberals here defended him.

Obama had plenty of plans as a candidate. One of them was to shift our focus back to Bin Laden, even if it meant ignoring Pakistan's territorial sovereignty to get him.

How'd that plan work out?

Trump has no plans. He's pulling an obvious con, and sometimes he doesn't even bother to hide it. He actually said at the Commander-in-Chief Forum that his plan is to get the generals together and have them make a plan.

Planning to have a plan is not a plan.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-19 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How did Obama feasibly know Bin Laden was holed up in Pakistan as a presidential candidate in 2007?

While Jill Stein doesn't have much in the way of a public anti-ISIS plan, it is disingenuous to assert that Obama had a serious clue or plan apart from a bigger focus on Afghanistan nation-building.

#21 | Posted by ReformedNeocon at 2016-09-19 09:39 PM | Reply

How did Obama feasibly know Bin Laden was holed up in Pakistan as a presidential candidate in 2007?

He didn't. He was asked this question in a debate: "Should the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and not pursue al-Qaida terrorists who maintain bases there, or should we ignore their borders and pursue our enemies, like we did in Cambodia during the Vietnam War?"

He answered, "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out," and took a lot of criticism from McCain and Palin for it.

www.politifact.com

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-19 10:16 PM | Reply

He was asked this question in a debate: "Should the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and not pursue al-Qaida terrorists who maintain bases there, or should we ignore their borders and pursue our enemies, like we did in Cambodia during the Vietnam War?"

Thanks for the reminder of that debate moment, it is amazing how prescient that question ended up being a few years into Obama's preaidency.

#23 | Posted by ReformedNeocon at 2016-09-19 10:37 PM | Reply

Imagine Turkey pulling that stunt on US soil to drone strike that cleric in Pennsylvania.

oh, the outrage that would ensue.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-19 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

oh, the outrage that would ensue.

Much like the outrage was in Pakistan. Mind you that was mostly just butthurt that they didn't see it coming.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL at 2016-09-19 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Much like the outrage was in Pakistan. Mind you that was mostly just butthurt that they didn't see it coming.

#25 | Posted by REDIAL

We had Rigel, Pakistan's chief spokesperson, here on the Retort to verify the truth of that. ~ LOL

We could almost hear the desperate sputtering and spurting in his posts.

#26 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-20 05:55 AM | Reply

And the ANGER ~ Ooooooooo, the anger!

#27 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-20 06:32 AM | Reply

OBL was already decoupled from operations, and was immediately replaced by Al-Zawahiri after his death as the figure head.

That's a morale victory. The strategic victory might have been in the seized PC and documents, but we won't really know about that until it's declassified decades down the road.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-09-20 10:52 AM | Reply

Why is she/he waiting? Give Obama the plan? Anything else is treasonous it seems.

#29 | Posted by mutant at 2016-09-20 11:01 AM | Reply

MUTANT

She not waiting. Obama already has the plan. It's the same as her plan with a few upticks.

Every President has their prerogatives.

#30 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-20 11:46 AM | Reply

The "plan" is ethnic cleansing, then hope for the best. There's no actual plan to get acceptable governance to the Sunnis.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-09-20 01:40 PM | Reply

"When I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine, or maybe doesn't, I may love what the generals come back with."

WTF does that even mean?

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

He admits that he has no 'plan.'

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-09-20 02:06 PM | Reply

Too bad many people cannot be serious about this election. I know it is a plate of crap that is on the menu but at least us plebes can decide if we want it hot or cold.

#34 | Posted by mutant at 2016-09-20 05:24 PM | Reply

Sheesh we are paying through the nose for an entitlement state. 66% of the budget is entitlement spending. While Military spending has shrunk relative to GDP, entitlements continue to go through the roof.
www.usgovernmentspending.com

#19 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Actually its about 45%. And yes, lets just get rid of Medicare and Social Security. That's the HUGE majority of it. Let me know how that goes for you.

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-09-21 04:17 PM | Reply

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