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Sunday, September 18, 2016

[Donald Trump] used his father's, and, later, his own, extensive political connections, and relied on a huge amount of assistance from the government and taxpayers in the form of tax breaks, grants and incentives to benefit the 15 buildings at the core of his Manhattan real estate empire. Trump has reaped at least $885 million in tax breaks, grants and other subsidies for luxury apartments, hotels and office buildings in New York, according to city tax, housing and finance records. The subsidies helped him lower his own costs and sell apartments at higher prices because of their reduced taxes.

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"Donald Trump is probably worse than any other developer in his relentless pursuit of every single dime of taxpayer subsidies he can get his paws on," said Alicia Glen, Mayor Bill de Blasio's deputy mayor for housing and economic development, who first battled Trump when she worked in [Rudy] Giuliani's administration.

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"I've given to everybody, because that was my job. I've got to give to them. because when I want something I get it. When I call, they kiss my ass. It's true. They kiss my ass."

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-18 05:24 PM | Reply

So, is he running for President so he can be the one handing out favors?
I don't get it.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 05:26 PM | Reply

Favors and rewards.
Rewards and favors.
Just as long as I get mine.
George Washington Plunkett, now there was a mensch.
~ Donald "It's Mine, All Mine" Trump

#3 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-18 05:49 PM | Reply

In seeking those subsidies, Mr. Trump is not that different from many other developers. But the level of subsidies he has received along with his doggedness in claiming them seem at odds with his rhetoric as an outsider candidate who boasts of his single-handed success and who has denounced what he calls the pay-to-play culture of politics and a "rigged" system of government.

Ironic doesn't seem to cut it.

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-09-18 05:52 PM | Reply

The tax laws favor the rich and powerful. Trump and Clinton will keep it that way.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-18 05:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Yes yes, they favor them by allowing them to pay vastly more, both in dollars and percentage. Can anyone imagine how much better off the poor would be if the tax code favored them? Higher taxes rates would really benefit the poor right?

#6 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 06:10 PM | Reply

they favor them by allowing them to pay vastly more

Actually, capital gains are taxed less than all but the most worthless labor.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 06:25 PM | Reply

7

You have been shown so many times the effective rate of the different income groups.

Even assuming all income from upper classes is capital gains all under the fourth quintile pay a higher effective rate. But the reality is the highest earners pay an average of 25.8 percent for the top quintile. The top 1 percent pays an average of 33.2percent.

So, try again.

#8 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

the effective rate of the different income groups.

Capital gains tax rates aren't determined by income.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 06:42 PM | Reply

The top 1 percent pays an average of 33.2percent.

They should pay more, since they have 50% of the wealth.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 06:43 PM | Reply

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Effective rates include capital gains.

I'd say obviously, but apparently even basic terms are still well above your comprehension.

#11 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 06:52 PM | Reply

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Top 20 percent pays 83.9 percent of federal income taxes. Top 1 percent pays over 45 percent. Now mind you, your 50 percent number is false. In 2013 they made 19.04 percent of the income, not 50. So make about 20 percent of income but pay almost half of all income taxes.

Amazing how facts blow the envy crowd out of the water.

#12 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The top 1 percent pays an average of 33.2percent.
#8 | Posted by salamandagator

Top 1 percent pays over 45 percent.
#12 | Posted by salamandagator

Sounds like you two have plenty to talk about.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 07:55 PM | Reply

#13

Learn what "average" means

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-18 08:37 PM | Reply

13

Oh, is subject a difficult thing for you to understand too?

See the subject was established as total income taxes. It was not changed and thus the statement of that group paying 45 percent of all taxes is valid.

But I find it hilarious that when your false numbers were called out you attempted an insult but only proved that your English knowledge is just as lacking as your knowledge in economics.

Bravo, you don't need anyone to insult you, you double it enough yourself.

#15 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 08:42 PM | Reply

Liberals clearly do not understand the business world. They hate the private sector and need to work for the government.

#16 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2016-09-18 08:48 PM | Reply

I didn't say income. I said wealth. Reading is fundamental.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 08:50 PM | Reply

Funny you whine about others reading after you just made a fool of yourself for your inability to do so.
But rest assured no one is missing you trying to pass off wealth as reason to steal. Measuring what you think is fair to take, not of what they make but what they have accumulated is just like thieves planning who to take from next. In fact it's not just like, it is precisely the same thing.

#18 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 08:56 PM | Reply

#18 That's a pretty psycho worldview.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:06 PM | Reply

#18 LOL. We know who the thieves are, and it sure isn't the poor or working class.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-18 09:10 PM | Reply

19

What that it's not okay to take from others just cause they have more?

Seems like that is the only decent world view.

They have more so let's take it is the thieves view.

#21 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:15 PM | Reply

20

It's not even the poor that are out to take, it is those seeking to control the poor that are the ones pushing thievery.

#22 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:17 PM | Reply

#21 Ever hear of a guy named Jesus? He's a close relative of Ammo Jesus and Cthulhu.

#23 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:18 PM | Reply

#21 LOL. The thieves say, "hey look, they're eating meat and using the internet...they make too much. Let's raise their rent."

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2016-09-18 09:18 PM | Reply

Don't make me get all biblical on your ass.

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:19 PM | Reply

23

Not that Jesus is a measure to use in politics but can you point to anywhere where he said to take?

Cause he did not, not once. He said give, the exact opposite.

#26 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:20 PM | Reply

those seeking to control the poor ?

You mean Democrats, right?
Just say what you mean.
Democrats will do whatever it takes to keep blacks on the plantation.
That's what you're saying, right?

Any thoughts on who's controlling the white poor? Also Democrats?

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:21 PM | Reply

24

Ah, so making someone pay for what they use is thievery, but taking from others for what you use is not?

That's wierd.

#28 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:21 PM | Reply

Not that Jesus is a measure to use in politics but can you point to anywhere where he said to take?

Render unto Caesar much?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:22 PM | Reply

27

Nope wrong again. Not nearly all Democrats would stoop that low, just the despicable ones like sanders.

#30 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:22 PM | Reply

So then who are those seeking to control the poor

Let's say I wanted that to happen. (More than it already does.) Who should I vote for?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:24 PM | Reply

29

Oh good, snoofy wants to show us yet another thing he is woefully ignorant about.

Again give not take. Pay your own way.

It is hilarious that it is often the left that wants to try to use biblical teachings to get what they want while whining when others mention it. At the same time all many of them know are a few bits out of context and part they can intentionaly distort.

#32 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:25 PM | Reply

Again give not take.

So you're asking where in The Bible Jesus said that taxation is how government is funded?

I don't think it's in there.

But he did say, pay your taxes. That's quite clear. Perhaps it's too big an inference to assume Jesus knew that taxation is how government gets revenue, but it seems pretty safe to me.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:28 PM | Reply

31

Those that promise them stuff at the cost of others, those that seek to make them dependant for food, housing, Healthcare, transportation,communication, and such.

#34 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:29 PM | Reply

23

Not that Jesus is a measure to use in politics but can you point to anywhere where he said to take?

Cause he did not, not once. He said give, the exact opposite.

Mark 12:17 Then Jesus told them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." And they marveled at Him.

One could argue that is about everything from health care to infrastructure.

Also:

1. Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: "The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, ‘What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, ‘Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.' But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God."

#35 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:29 PM | Reply

Pay your own way.

Is that what happened with the miracle of the loaves and the fishes, everybody paid their own way?

Can you link to the Libertarian interpretation of Jesus quotes you're reading from? I would love to see them all.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:30 PM | Reply

31
Those that promise them stuff at the cost of others, those that seek to make them dependant for food, housing, Healthcare, transportation,communication, and such.

So, dose that mean Trump or Clinton?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:31 PM | Reply

#27 Snoofy, almost all poor white people I know are democrats.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:32 PM | Reply

Again give not take.

Trump got $885 million in corporate welfare.

Pay your own way.

Trump got $885 million in corporate welfare.

Sala loves Trump.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:32 PM | Reply

So you're asking where in The Bible Jesus said that taxation is how government is funded?
#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Matthew 22:17-21

#40 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-18 09:33 PM | Reply

#31 Pining for Bernie....

#41 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:33 PM | Reply

33

You have no idea what that was about. It was about authority and respecting it.

But even if it was just about paying the taxes to run government, putting poor underfoot and on a leash is not the operation of a reasonable government.

Further there were specific instructions on caring for the poor and also for working for what you have. Seems odd if there was any concept that the government should be responsible for every aspect of their lives.

#42 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:34 PM | Reply

Is that what happened with the miracle of the loaves and the fishes, everybody paid their own way? - snoofy

People gave what they thought they could afford to those that lacked, no one forced them too, like the IRS.

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-18 09:35 PM | Reply

Trump got $885 million in corporate welfare.

Define welfare.

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2016-09-18 09:36 PM | Reply

35

Nothing there says take. Nothing, he never said band together to demand the rich give up their wealth to ease your life.

Nowhere did he say theft is wrong unless they have more, in fact it was a constant that envy itself is a sin not just theft.

#45 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:37 PM | Reply

You have no idea what that was about. It was about authority and respecting it.

That would be quite handy if you were interested in controlling people, don't you agree?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:37 PM | Reply

You guys are making Ammo Jesus cry. Where are we supposed to get the money for bombs?

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

37

Both. But hillary more.

39

You know I'm no trump supporter, so that is yet another blatant snoofy lie.

#48 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:39 PM | Reply

#45 Needle. Eye. Camel.

#49 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:39 PM | Reply

You know I'm no trump supporter

You're not voting for Trump?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:39 PM | Reply

in fact it was a constant that envy itself is a sin not just theft.

Sounds like a good thing to preach to the poor if you're rich. Keeps you safe. They don't dare even be jealous of what you have, let alone try to take it.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:40 PM | Reply

17 So tell us what you think. Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"
18 But Sala knew that these men were trying to trick him.

(Edited for this thread.)

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:42 PM | Reply

50

Obviously not, I've told you many times. At this point you are just trying to slander since the only thing worse would be to be a sanderista.

#53 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:42 PM | Reply

Who are you voting for Sala?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:42 PM | Reply

Salamandigator: "A tax break for me would allow me to hire more worthless plebian liberal scum like you! Now lick mt boots."
Snoofy: "Up against the wall, ------------!!!"

#55 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2016-09-18 09:43 PM | Reply

49

Again that is about generosity, giving not taking.

It's a good thing to see a homeless person and give him a few bucks, it's not to see that same person and force someone else to.

Jesus never told anyone to force others to give.

#57 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:45 PM | Reply

Trump got $885 million in corporate welfare.
Define welfare.
#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Legislative relief and public funds benefiting needy corporations.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:47 PM | Reply

It's a good thing to see a homeless person and give him a few bucks, it's not to see that same person and force someone else to.

Why is the latter not good, from the point of view of the homeless person?

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:50 PM | Reply

54

How many times have you been told?

GJ if I vote.

Now stop asking.

#60 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:50 PM | Reply

59

So I kill someone and give you their car, you are happy about that?

Don't be obtuse.

#61 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:51 PM | Reply

Again, please link to where you're getting this Libertarian Jesus slant.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:51 PM | Reply

So I kill someone and give you their car, you are happy about that?

Why would I be happy about receiving stolen goods?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:52 PM | Reply

Jesus never told anyone to force others to give.

Yeah, they didn't exactly have things like public schools back then.
Then a thing called "progress" happened.
Naturally, you're opposed to public schools.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 09:53 PM | Reply

63

That's what you asked in 59.

64
They did have schools, notice he never said that you should take from others to get an education either.

62
Jesus was not political, he was never about forcing people against their will, quite the opposite.
I can find you tons of passages that show him to be about free will and choice but it's not gonna change your mind. And I really do not like to use the bible to make political points and it does bug me when others do, it's disrespectful and irrelevant as there is separation of church and state.

#65 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...and he'll get much more if elected. But please, tell us again how it's Clinton who is "the crooked one."

#66 | Posted by e1g1 at 2016-09-18 10:04 PM | Reply

66

Tax incentives are part of business. They are one of the reasons that our corporate tax burden is not far higher that other countries even though our marginal rates are. It's just like personal tax deductions, it moves them from marginal rates to effective rates.

Lower income brackets pay virtually no income tax, is that corruption toof?

Obviously not, most would not consider tax breaks welfare either.

#67 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:12 PM | Reply

Jesus was not political

You're lost your mind.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:21 PM | Reply

Tax incentives are part of business.

Yeah. The welfare part.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:23 PM | Reply

69

Sure and your standard deductions are too. In fact the complex tax code was written just so people like you can claim everyone is on welfare right?

Snoofy world. Where crazy is normal and intelligence and honesty is strictly prohibited.

#70 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:27 PM | Reply

Tax incentives are part of business.

Food stamps are part of the grocery business.

Section 8 is part of the housing business.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:28 PM | Reply

Trump is bigot and tax evader. The IRS should put him in prison for tax evasion. Let him spout his ---- to the prison population, maybe they will believe him.

#72 | Posted by mikeedge at 2016-09-18 10:28 PM | Reply

I can find you tons of passages that show him to be about free will and choice but it's not gonna change your mind.

Let Him change my mind.
Christ, you're thick!

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:29 PM | Reply

68.

So he was political now?

I guess you think the whole separation of church and state was to block his political views right?

It's always hilarious when you realize you have nothing to say so you go full troll.

#74 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:30 PM | Reply

73

Usually I don't mind taking some time to educate you. But as I said I don't like using religion so I'm gonna let you stay ignorant here. If you actually wanted to know, wander down the street and find a church.

#75 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:33 PM | Reply

71

Even you cannot be stupid enough to be unable to tell which of those is not like the others.

#76 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:34 PM | Reply

I'd have to find the Libertarian one.
That ain't gonna be easy.
Why are you too afraid to help?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:34 PM | Reply

77

Nope most churches will help you.
Call it afraid if you need, I'm not gonna play that game, like I said I find it disrespectful. And we both know what you will do when I point out the verses, change the subject and ignore it anyways.

If you can't keep from doing that with facts and data, I would be an idiot to think you would be less disingenuous with theology.

#78 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:38 PM | Reply

So he was political now?

He was about as political as Lenin.
Whoops, I meant Lennon. John Lennon. Probably... less political than ole Vladdy Lenin.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:39 PM | Reply

I'm not gonna play that game

Cuz ur AFRAID 2 LOSE
Chicken. Bawk! Bawk!

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:39 PM | Reply

And we both know what you will do when I point out the verses, change the subject and ignore it anyways.

So you're a Calvinist, with that whole predestination thing.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

80

And somehow you think juvenile taunts point to you being more respectful?

#82 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:49 PM | Reply

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There are some here I would gladly debate theology with. You have shown no ability to reason nor any consistency or honesty plus you have no knowledge of the subject.
So you are not one of those.

#83 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 10:51 PM | Reply

Respect is earned.
I heard Trump say that.
He's right.

I just want to see your Libertarian Jesus stash for my own amusement and possible but unlikely personal edification.

I have no intention of ridiculing you for it. If I could just google this, I would, but like a Chick tract, the good stuff has to somehow find its way into your life via mysterious machinations...

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-18 10:54 PM | Reply

Ha, every time you try to ridicule me you end up showcasing your lack of comprehension. As tempting as that sounds, I get enough comic relief from you on other subjects. So the answer is still no.

#85 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-18 11:00 PM | Reply

Trump knows how much money is there for the taking because he's been taking billions from the government.

He's looking to plunder.

#86 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2016-09-18 11:25 PM | Reply

So the answer is still no.

The Gospel of None Of Your Business

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-19 01:14 AM | Reply

Awww, poor little snoof is pouting cause he did not get to play troll.

#88 | Posted by salamandagator at 2016-09-19 02:17 AM | Reply

Top 20 percent pays 83.9 percent of federal income taxes

That's OUTRAGEOUS! Pay the poor and middle class more and they would pay more taxes.

#89 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2016-09-19 06:01 AM | Reply

Since Trump has an obsessive and compulsive pathology to lie about everything (and anything), why would anybody expect him to suddenly become a different, pathology free, person if he becomes president.

Whatever abnormal behavior you see ingrained in Trump now is what you'll be voting for in November. Imagine the heartburn and angst you'll be inviting upon yourself.

Of course, there's always the real possibility that Trump will continue to live in his gold plated apartment and let Mike Pence do the heavy lifting. But then that brings up what Pence said in an interview with Business Insider. Pence said how much he admired Dick Cheney and planned to model his own vice presidency after the former vice president.

If THAT isn't enough to scare the bejebus out of you, I don't know what is.

#90 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-19 07:31 AM | Reply

I also have it on 'good' information, Romney never paid any Income Tax !!!

#91 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2016-09-19 07:54 AM | Reply

Romney released his returns.
Romney, like many of us, wonders why Trump is afraid to release his.

#92 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2016-09-19 08:11 AM | Reply

DOC

The only thing we don't know is the what, where and when.

Other than that it's pretty obvious that Trump has dealing that he can't afford to be known. They may be dishonest or maybe a conflict of interest that he'd like to use to his benefit later. All of his obfuscation only leads us to suspect the worst. (Which would be no surprise to anybody.)

Of course, he has no legal obligation to release his tax returns ~ only a moral obligation. But then, when have we seen any evidence of Trump's morality on any issue? He's a compulsive and obsessive liar.

What amazes me is that the same people who are begging for honesty in politics are the same people who are willing to overlook the lack of honesty in Donald Trump ~ or at least don't believe it's important.

Go figure, huh?

#93 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-19 08:40 AM | Reply

"Romney released his returns."

Not the one he knew would damage him: the return where he received an eight-figure payout, and paid no income taxes on it.

Legally.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-09-19 09:01 AM | Reply

If you don't like corporate welfare for the real estate industry, don't vote Dem or Republican.

#95 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2016-09-19 09:17 AM | Reply

They have more because they took labor from people without paying for it. All wealth comes from labor. When a rich man gets paid for simply owning part of a company that money comes from the workers who earned it.

#96 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2016-09-19 10:01 AM | Reply

"the reality is the highest earners pay an average of 25.8 percent for the top quintile"

That assumes income taxes are the only federal taxes.

Let's just use payroll taxes, shall we, and see how the numbers change.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-09-19 12:33 PM | Reply

Where are all the GOPhers outraged at a billionaire receiving $885B in corporate welfare? Too big to fail? lol. Hypocrites.

#98 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-19 03:10 PM | Reply

#98 Trump was smart, as a businessman he used what incentives were out there to make a profit. Too bad Obama and the Dems arn't smart enough to save the tax payers some money. And why do you think those incentives were available in the first place? This is NY City btw, not exactly a GOP stronghold. Most likely they were there because the site was a blight to the city and the building would increase the tax rolls of the properties around it. If you don't like it don't blame Trump, blame the people that put together the incentives.

#99 | Posted by fishpaw at 2016-09-19 04:06 PM | Reply

I learned a long time ago, article like this, are filled with misinformation and lies.

I vaguely remember, Palin (maybe some other GOP politician) was attacked for taking legal tax deductions for adopting and/or fostering a child.

If Trump is a hypocrite for working within the framework of the law at the time, Democrats should also not take any money provided by a super-pac.

#100 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2016-09-19 07:42 PM | Reply

How many dem cronies like Solyndra's CEO, GE under Jeffrey Immelt, et al., benefited from obama's largesse?

#101 | Posted by MSgt at 2016-09-19 11:30 PM | Reply

"I also have it on 'good' information, Romney never paid any Income Tax !!!"

#91 | Posted by DavetheWave

At least not on those $millions$ he had squirreled away in Switzerland ~ until the Feds caught up with him.

#102 | Posted by Twinpac at 2016-09-20 04:24 AM | Reply

"I learned a long time ago, article like this, are filled with misinformation and lies."

No you didn't. You convinced yourself of that because it was what you wanted to believe. You live in a fact free universe and inform yourself via right wing talking point nonsense.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-20 10:05 AM | Reply

"Trump was smart, as a businessman he used what incentives were out there to make a profit."

We don't know if Trump is a smart business man because he won't release his tax returns like every other candidate for President has for decades. You believe he is a smart business man because you saw him on his TV show. You're fired!

#104 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-20 10:07 AM | Reply

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