Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, September 16, 2016

Donald Trump finally admitted Friday that "President Barack Obama was born in the United States," reversing himself on the issue that propelled him into national politics five years ago. Trump tried to use this acknowledgement as a publicity stunt to promote his new hotel in D.C. He did not apologize or explain him flip flop. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. "For five years, he has led the birther movement to delegitimize our first black president," Hillary Clinton said at an event in Washington. "His campaign was founded on this outrageous lie."

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#1 | Posted by catdog at 2016-09-16 02:06 PM | Reply

Did he apologize for his years of spreading that lie and undermining the President of the United States?

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 02:08 PM | Reply

OK, so NOW I can vote for Trump with clear conscience.

#3 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2016-09-16 02:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

So does that mean Trump was actually full of ---- when he claimed to have rock hard evidence against the B. Hussein proving his presidency was "The Greatest Scam In The History Of The United States"?

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the major press outlets won't hold him accountable for this, they're a joke. He just admitted that his racist birther attack on President Obama's legitimacy was bogus and instead of apologizing, tried to deflect responsibility to someone else.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I am not or ever was a 'birther'. It was nonsense from the start-except for Hillary's campaign to get it out there.

How was it racist when Trump said the same accusation about Ted Cruz?

#6 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 02:18 PM | Reply


Think of all the wasted effort in this Country that was caused by Mr Trump's advancement of the birther conspiracy, giving it a powerful stage.

All those people spending all that time looking around the Internet looking for more ways to confirm the birther conspiracy lies.

Just think of all the more productive things they could have been doing, e.g., building a wall across our southern border.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 02:20 PM | Reply

Did he apologize for his years of spreading that lie and undermining the President of the United States?

Did Hillary's campaign? You know, the ones that started this?

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2016-09-16 02:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Trump made his name publicly as a Republican on the birther issue. He proclaimed it over and over and offered $5 million to charity to spread his attack on the president's legitimacy. People on the right need to stop beclowning themselves by desperately trying to make Hillary the birther.

Hillary never expressed a single doubt about Obama being born in Hawaii. Trump did over and over and over.

#9 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump Admits His Birther Attack Was Nonsense

Good. Then maybe you liberals can stop whining about it now..

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2016-09-16 02:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

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"Did Hillary's campaign? You know, the ones that started this?"

Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign didn't start this.

But, if all you have are lies then lying's all you've got.

#11 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why is this in bold?

Hilary is back in the news and Trump, well, trumped her.

#12 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2016-09-16 02:22 PM | Reply

"Then maybe you liberals can stop whining about it now.."

Admitting it was a lie now doesn't erase the fact it was a lie then.

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

this is "cutting the ribbon", Trump supporters are now free to hate plainly.

#14 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply

Just think of all the more productive things they could have been doing, e.g., building a wall across our southern border.
#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 02:20 PM
Surfing porn and playing video games would have been a much better use of their time as well.

#15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2016-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply

Trump Admits His Birther Attack Was Nonsense

"Now that's a liar worth voting for!"
~Boaz

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 7

"Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign didn't start this.
#11 | POSTED BY HANS "

But, she was on the same bandwagon until she wasn't.

Oops!

#17 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2016-09-16 02:23 PM | Reply


@#6 ...It was nonsense from the start-except for Hillary's campaign to get it out there....

To be a bit clearer in the wording you used.

It was not fmr Sec of State Clinton's campaign that played with birtherism in 2008.

It was her supporters.

politifact.com

...Our ruling

Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had concede to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump's claim False....


I know you'd want to be accurate in your comments. Hope this helps.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

""Now that's a liar worth voting for!"
~Boaz

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Boaz didn't say this. LOL

Dude, you are having a really bad week.

#19 | Posted by LastAmerican at 2016-09-16 02:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Did Hillary's campaign? You know, the ones that started this?
#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Which member of the Clinton campaign started it?

#20 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2016-09-16 02:25 PM | Reply

Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign didn't start this.
But, if all you have are lies then lying's all you've got.
#11 | POSTED BY HANS

Maybe not, but they certainly fanned the flames:

Everything began in March of 2007 when Hillary's chief strategist, Mark Penn, wrote a now-infamous campaign memo laying out his overall plan to win the election.

[Penn] wrote, "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values." Penn proposed targeting Obama's "lack of American roots."

Penn also suggested how the campaign might take advantage of this. "Every speech should contain the line that you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century," he advised Clinton. "And talk about the basic bargain as about [sic] the deeply American values you grew up with, learned as a child, and that drive you today." He went on: "Let's explicitly own ‘American' in our programs, the speeches and the values. He doesn't … Let's add flag symbols to the backgrounds [of campaign events]."

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz didn't say this. LOL
#19 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN

HAHAHA! No ----, Sherlock.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

History of the birther movement.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 02:28 PM | Reply

It's a shame that we're not hearing from Trump supporters who admit the birther attack was wrong. Instead it appears the strategy is to double down with a transparently ridiculous argument that Hillary was the birther. Absolutely shameless.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this.

When has "there is no evidence to support this" ever made a difference to Trump and his Trumpeteer's continual stream of nonsense?

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

that Hillary was the birther. Absolutely shameless.

#25 | POSTED BY RCADE

Hillary may not have been the original birther. However, she cannot claim innocence in fanning the flames. See #21.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Now that's a liar worth voting for!"
~Boaz
#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK"

Boaz didn't say this. LOL
#19 | POSTED BY LASTAMERICAN

This just gave me a good laugh.

Thanks dumb dumb.

😆😆😆😆

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#18 | Posted by LampLighter

It was a volunteer--for who? Hillary of course.

#29 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 02:31 PM | Reply

"It's a shame that we're not hearing from Trump supporters who admit the birther attack was wrong"

It was partisan politics. Partisans, such as Trump supporters, are always fine attacks like that.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 02:33 PM | Reply

However, she cannot claim innocence in fanning the flames. See #21.

#21 doesn't say anything about Hillary spreading birther nonsense. She didn't publish that campaign memo. She didn't write that campaign memo. She didn't make a single public statement casting doubt on Obama being born in the U.S.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

No dancing bananas?

#32 | Posted by Sully at 2016-09-16 02:33 PM | Reply

"But, she was on the same bandwagon until she wasn't. "

Nope.

Wasn't on the bandwagon whatsoever.

But, if all you have are lies...

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | Posted by rcade

It was nonsense and wrong and finally Trump said that Obama was born in the US--period.

Thank goodness--we can now move on to the issues.

Now we can all celebrate!

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#34 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 02:35 PM | Reply

Antonio Sabata Jr on suicide watch.

#35 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2016-09-16 02:37 PM | Reply

She didn't publish that campaign memo. She didn't write that campaign memo. She didn't make a single public statement casting doubt on Obama being born in the U.S.

Ease off the trigger there Rogers. Fair enough. She did not, but her campaign was OBVIOUSLY intent in playing the "otherism" card. Can you offer a quote from HRC in 2008 declaring "Barrack Obama was undoubtedly born in the U.S."?

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"...we can now move on to the issues."

Like the issue that he used a lie to build his political persona until it became too inconvenient so he admits that it was all a lie all along.

And now his sycophants want to dismiss his lying because, well, it is too inconvenient.

#37 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

But, if all you have are lies...
#33 | POSTED BY HANS

It's not as black and white as HRC supporters would like you to believe. Hillary's campaign was intent on playing the "otherism" card, which ultimately played right into the Republican's hands...albeit to their detriment.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It was a volunteer--for who? Hillary of course.

#29 | Posted by MURPHY

So now we are holding the Candidates responsible for things their volunteers say?

Got it.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 02:41 PM | Reply

"Hillary's campaign was intent on playing the "otherism" card..."

Playing the "otherism" card is used in political campaigns all the time. Often it is "he doesn't share your values," or "he's a danger when it comes to the nuclear bomb."

Meanwhile, can you offer a quote from HRC in 2008 declaring "Barrack Obama was undoubtedly not born in the U.S."?

#40 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 02:42 PM | Reply

She did not, but her campaign was OBVIOUSLY intent in playing the "otherism" card.

That one memo doesn't come close to prove it. There was no public attempt by Hillary or her campaign to do that. She rejected birtherism in 2008 and publicly repudiated anonymous attempts by some of her supporters to make that claim.

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rusty--I think the Hillary campaign was too busy at the time trying to mop up the mess made by Bill and his, Four years ago he (Obama) would have been serving him coffee--or some such.

Although--the birther thing came out from the Hillary supporter in 2007 and Bill's comment was made just before the South Carolina primary in early 2008...

#42 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 02:44 PM | Reply

It was a volunteer--for who? Hillary of course.

Just to clarify: Is it your position that a candidate is responsible for everything a supporter says? If so I've got 1,000 neo-Nazi tweets from Trump supporters I could send you.

#43 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

It was nonsense and wrong and finally Trump said that Obama was born in the US--period.

Thank goodness--we can now move on to the issues.

No, you don't get off that easy.

He needs to apologize.

One of the main issues IS Trump's birtherism.

So he admitted to lying for years but now blames it on Hillary?

Not an apology.

And he needs to stop lying about his tax returns and release them now.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 02:45 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, can you offer a quote from HRC in 2008 declaring "Barrack Obama was undoubtedly not born in the U.S."?
#40 | POSTED BY HANS

Nope, but she didn't need to. Challenge back to you: can you offer a quote from HRC in 2008 declaring "Barrack Obama was undoubtedly born in the U.S."?

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 02:45 PM | Reply

It was not fmr Sec of State Clinton's campaign that played with birtherism in 2008.

It was her supporters.

It was a two pronged strategy. Hillary and Bill focused on disparaging southern black voters by suggesting they were only voting for Obama because he was black, and her supporters focused on the birther investigation.

#46 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2016-09-16 02:46 PM | Reply

So now, what else has he been lying about? He calls Hillary dishonest all the time while telling a huge lie the entire time.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-16 02:47 PM | Reply

She wasn't on the bandwagon but her staff was. Typical Clinton. Remove yourself by one layer and hope the lie doesn't pass that layer and stick. Great nominee and role model for the hypocrite party.

#48 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump Rick Rolled the media. Of course they are spinning this. They thought Trump was going to discuss the birther issue and take questions. Instead he has 30 minutes of various military generals and gold star families endorsing him, all while CNN, MSNBC and Fox are covering live. You can't even buy that kind of great advertising. The media heads are apoplectic. He owns them!

#49 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2016-09-16 02:48 PM | Reply

Every word that comes out of Fat Donnie's rectum shaped mouth is a lie. Every single word. We have NEVER seen anything like this. He is a big fat champion level liar who is totally unfit to be president. His policies will be worse than Shrub redux.

All you busters who will throw your vote away on Stein because Drumpf will bring the revolution are idiots. It has taken almost eight years to reverse the eight years of Shrub Rethug failure, and now you want to hand the wheel over to an obese clown with no idea what the hell he is doing? I hate to tell you, the revolution won't come. When Drumpf talks about how bad the economy is and what a jobless hellscape America is, he's actually forecasting America under Drumpf. What's worse busters is that we have seen how the right likes to mess with elections (gerrymandering and voter ID as examples). Do you really think once they have power, the way Drumpf speaks like a tin pot dictator, that they will risk giving that power up?

You are idiots if you cannot see that HRC has spent a carreer trying to do good things for this country, especially those less fortunate. Drumpf has spent his life finding shady ways to enrich himself while crapping on people like you rubes. If you think he cares about you or any of your issues, you are stupider than you appear to be. He has a golden throne in his penthouse apartment and you bash Hillary for being rich, wow.

If elected president, Drumpf will crash the world economy and find a way to laugh all the way to the bank. He is without a doubt the most corrupt presidential candidate in history, and you don't care because the MSM has spoon fed you trumped up CDS for 30 years. Every single HRC "scandal" turns into NOTHING. Yet when the media exposes real criminal activity by the fat orange child rapist, you all could care less. Unbelievable.

#50 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2016-09-16 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Here's a nice metaphor: The stage collapsed at Trump's hotel after his birther admission today.

twitter.com

#52 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 02:50 PM | Reply

Good. Then maybe you liberals can stop whining about it now..

#10 | Posted by boaz

And maybe you suckers will stop believing anything this con man says.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-16 02:52 PM | Reply

I am correcting my post #42--this all happened in 2008 (not 2007).

The paper trail was April 2008 from the Hillary supporter and the primary was in January 2008 with the Bill comment about Obama serving coffee.

www.politifact.com

She denounced it two months later strongly but the damage was done.

#54 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 02:53 PM | Reply

#51 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Yeah why is the left FORCING repubs to pass all these bathroom bills!

God I hope hillary can FIX our low unemployment, rising wages, and record high stock market. We know trump would fix those things real quick.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-16 02:54 PM | Reply

"Hillary's campaign was intent on playing the "otherism" card"

Obviously. It was thread after thread in 2008 linking Obama to the angry black militant--Rev. Wright, and "terrorist" Bill Ayers.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-09-16 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- The stage collapsed at Trump's hotel after his birther admission today.

Under the weight of his arrogance.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2016-09-16 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#52 - that's awesome! I love the tweets about it, too. Perfect metaphor!

#58 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 02:57 PM | Reply

The article I posted in #24 does a good job of breaking down the birther movement.

And the hyperlink in the article to the telegraph does an even better job of it.

It started with circulating rumors about him being a Muslim in 2004. And grew from there.

The closest connection to Hillary I've found, is of one of her staffers questioning Obama's legitimacy, claiming he was born in Kenya.

But. What difference does it make where he was born.

His mother is an American. Born in Kansas.

If I learned anything from Ted Cruz's candidacy. It's that it doesn't matter if your not born in America. As long as your mother is an American.

So. In the end. The whole birther nonsense is much ado about nothing.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 03:00 PM | Reply

maybe you suckers will stop believing anything this con man says.
#53 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yea right.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 03:03 PM | Reply

But. What difference does it make where he was born.

The "otherism" and how it applies to a candidate that does not traditionally look American (i.e., white).

#61 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 03:04 PM | Reply

How's she going to fix all of that? Giving $10,000 speeches and coughing? Or will she shake down Pakistan so they fix it?

#62 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 03:06 PM | Reply

Hillary's 2008 campaign's hands are most definitely dirty!

Host Joe Scarborough called Clinton's attack on Trump "rich," saying, "For Hillary Clinton to come out and criticize anybody for spreading the rumors about Barack Obama, when it all started … with her and her campaign passing things around in the Democratic primary[.] … This started with Hillary Clinton, and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008." …

Heilemann, author of the insider account of the 2008 election Game Change, said it was the case that Clinton spread the rumors. "It was the case," he said. "I'm affirming the Scarborough-Brzezinski assertion."

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How's she going to fix all of that?
#62 | POSTED BY WISGOD

How's she gonna fix all of what?

Did you drunkenly stumble out of the nooner and get lost?

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 03:09 PM | Reply

So what will the next big revelation from Trump be: that Obama is not a Muslim?

#65 | Posted by berto42 at 2016-09-16 03:11 PM | Reply

Great nominee and role model for the hypocrite party.
#48 | POSTED BY WISGOD

You're right.

Donny Dumf is a great representation of the Republican Party.

Dumb, fat, angry, and arrogant.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 03:12 PM | Reply

Donny Dumf is a great representation of the Republican Party.

Dumb, fat, angry, and arrogant.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack

And provably wrong about almost everything.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2016-09-16 03:16 PM | Reply

The stage collapsed at Trump's hotel after his birther admission today.

The stage was just a little dehydrated...

Ok, fine, it was pneumonia.

#68 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2016-09-16 03:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

"But. What difference does it make where he was born."

I might be wrong on this but I thought the angle wasn't his eligibility but rather an attempt to reveal that perhaps Obama put on his Harvard application he was born in Kenya to improve his chances of admittance.

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 03:21 PM | Reply

Eberly, that's what desperate fools tried to morph it into.

Obama excelled at Harvard so I'm sure Harvard is happy with their choice to admit him, regardless of where he was born.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-16 03:23 PM | Reply

This is a relief. Now, when he becomes president and starts a global thermonuclear war, I won't have to fret over whether or not he'll be man enough to admit he was wrong afterwards.

#71 | Posted by pumpkinhead at 2016-09-16 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#68 is FF

#72 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2016-09-16 03:31 PM | Reply

--The stage collapsed at Trump's hotel after his birther admission today.

They better reinforce the debate stage for ThunderThighs Rodham.

#73 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-09-16 03:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--The stage collapsed at Trump's hotel after his birther admission today.

They better reinforce the debate stage for ThunderThighs Rodham.

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2016-09-16 03:34 PM | Reply

Obama put on his Harvard application he was born in Kenya to improve his chances of admittance.

So, Obama started the birther movement?

Also. Did Obama put Kenya as his Place of Birth on his Harvard application?

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 03:34 PM | Reply

Host Joe Scarborough called Clinton's attack on Trump "rich" ...

Scarborough should know better.

So far no one in this discussion is actually defending Trump for his birther campaign. They're just trying to blame Hillary for it instead.

There's no defense for his actions. The birther attack was vile.

#76 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 03:35 PM | Reply

Snoofy, I'm sure they are.....I just thought the angle was to reveal the fact or convince folks somehow that Obama lied on his college admission and embarrass him with that.

-Did Obama put Kenya as his Place of Birth on his Harvard application?

I don't know. Wasn't it an issue that Obama hadn't released his college transcripts/records?

Seriously, I don't remember and I have no reason to think Obama lied about any of it.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 03:42 PM | Reply

Did Obama put Kenya as his Place of Birth on his Harvard application?

We will never know. He wont release his transcripts.

#78 | Posted by boaz at 2016-09-16 03:42 PM | Reply

Clownshack, are you the only one posting on this thread? Damn, I see holding you back for 3 terms of middle school was a waste of your time.

#79 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 03:43 PM | Reply

Scarborough gets on his wacky rants way too often.
He moves into 'fact free punditry' and just won't stop, verbally beating down anyone that disagrees.

Trump stats for today:
Trump's total time speaking today: 34 seconds
Trump's total time admitting he he's been lying for ~5 years: 7 seconds.

#80 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 03:44 PM | Reply

I assume this will have an impact on his lead in the polls, Yav. Especially if Hillary says something like the sun sets in the west.

#81 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 03:48 PM | Reply

Scarborough gets on his wacky rants way too often.

No kidding. How many times do people have to hear about his first Congressional campaign?

#82 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 03:51 PM | Reply

"Challenge back to you:"

Not sure I could find a quote where Hillary Clinton claimed that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

But I suspect that's what she believes without the need for research into whether she's claimed it or not.

#83 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 03:51 PM | Reply

"How many times do people have to hear about his first Congressional campaign?"

RCade: I still can't believe that he stated that while first running for Congress (in 1994), the people in DeFuniak Springs all wanted to talk about was the loss of American jobs due to NAFTA (which only took effect in January of that year).

Talk about re-writing history...

#84 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 03:54 PM | Reply

You suspect that's what she believes? How big was your check to the Clinton Foundation to make that claim?

#85 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 03:55 PM | Reply

...so It's not Zimbabwe ?

#86 | Posted by hobart at 2016-09-16 03:56 PM | Reply

Did Hillary's campaign? You know, the ones that started this?

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

This is one of my favorite lies. Because the Hillary campaign researched the subject, she started it. Sure, she didn't run the lie. She didn't push it. She didn't make it a campaign piece. In fact, she dismissed it rather quickly. But Conservatives like Boaz will be damned if they are going to admit they own the lie.

To hell with the facts apparently.

#88 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-09-16 04:06 PM | Reply

In fact, she dismissed it rather quickly. But Conservatives like Boaz will be damned if they are going to admit they own the lie.

I'm sure you can back up your assertion (marked in bold). While your scouring the net for proof positive, allow me to offer you this tidbit of info to add some context to the discussion:

Host Joe Scarborough called Clinton's attack on Trump "rich," saying, "For Hillary Clinton to come out and criticize anybody for spreading the rumors about Barack Obama, when it all started … with her and her campaign passing things around in the Democratic primary[.] … This started with Hillary Clinton, and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008." …

Heilemann, author of the insider account of the 2008 election Game Change, said it was the case that Clinton spread the rumors. "It was the case," he said. "I'm affirming the Scarborough-Brzezinski assertion."

#89 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:13 PM | Reply

Republicans believe that Hillary started birtherism.
Republicans overwhelmingly believe in birtherism.
Republicans overwhelmingly hate Hillary.
But Hillary didn't start birtherism.
And Birtherism is a lie.

Republicans put themselves in a very odd basket, indeed.

#90 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 04:13 PM | Reply

In fact, she dismissed it rather quickly. But Conservatives like Boaz will be damned if they are going to admit they own the lie.

*I'm sure you can back up your assertion (marked in bold).

#91 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:14 PM | Reply

Because the Hillary campaign researched the subject, she started it.

What would be the motivation for researching it in the first place? Personal edification?

#92 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2016-09-16 04:15 PM | Reply

"...Trump as being repsonisble for the 3 people at his rallies that have attacked protesters ..."

Quotes from Trump:

"I'd like to punch him in the face"
"Knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay? Just knock the hell"
"Protesters, they realize there are no consequences to protesting anymore. There used to be consequences."
"Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing"

#93 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 04:15 PM | Reply

Make up a lie. Promote the lie. Go all in fighting anyone who denies the lie. Go to court to further push the lie. Keep on lying until some people who are not paying attention assume there is some truth to it. But when the liar finally admits it was a lie, act relieved that we can finally move on and talk about the issues. Unbelievable. Rightwingers, do you see how fully, completely and dishonorably you have all been played?

#94 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-16 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But I suspect that's what she believes without the need for research into whether she's claimed it or not.
#83 | POSTED BY HANS

Funny. Because many HRC supporters will have you believe Hillary publicly dismissed, as a matter of fact, the bitherism conspiracy. Just look at SYCOPHANT's post.

Like SYCOPHANT said, "To hell with the facts apparently, [right?]"

#95 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:17 PM | Reply

RCade: I still can't believe that he stated that while first running for Congress (in 1994), the people in DeFuniak Springs all wanted to talk about was the loss of American jobs due to NAFTA (which only took effect in January of that year).

LOL.

Joe spends a lot of time singing in bars these days. Maybe the secondhand reefer is getting to him.

#96 | Posted by rcade at 2016-09-16 04:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Because many HRC supporters..."

In the 2004 campaign Fox News was fond of saying, of John Kerry, "People say he looks French."

"People say." "Many."

Interesting how unquantifiable terms are used instead of quantifiable proof.

#97 | Posted by Hans at 2016-09-16 04:22 PM | Reply

Clownshack, are you the only one posting on this thread?
#79 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Considering I'm the only one responding to your posts. I might as well be.

Must suck to be plonked by most everyone outside of the nooner.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2016-09-16 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting how unquantifiable terms are used instead of quantifiable proof.
#97 | POSTED BY HANS

SYCOPHANT is direct evidence of what I'm suggesting. RCADE is intimating as much as well.

"To hell with the facts apparently, [right?]"

#99 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:35 PM | Reply

Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and therefore potentially ineligible to serve in the presidency.

#100 | Posted by homerj at 2016-09-16 04:38 PM | Reply

So I owe you a big smooch for that newsworthy flag, stupid?
Some things never change, do they Clownshack? Like being bested?

#101 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 04:38 PM | Reply

Why are none of the Deplorables denouncing this big lie? Why are they pretending it's not a big deal or trying to pivot to another topic? Why can't they at least now have the dignity to acknowledge the lie which they helped promote? They really are deplorable.

#102 | Posted by moder8 at 2016-09-16 04:38 PM | Reply

In fact, she dismissed it rather quickly. But Conservatives like Boaz will be damned if they are going to admit they own the lie.
*I'm sure you can back up your assertion (marked in bold).

#91 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

You make this too easy:

www.politifact.com

Now instead of quoting opinions of TV talking heads, maybe you should try out some FACTS.

#103 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-09-16 04:39 PM | Reply

Republicans put themselves in a very odd basket, indeed.

#90 | Posted by YAV

A basket of Deplorables.

#104 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Look at the question, sycopants. We call that Clinton-eeze

#105 | Posted by wisgod at 2016-09-16 04:45 PM | Reply

"A basket of Deplorables"

that sounds like something you would serve with fries.

"I'll have the deplorables basket, with ketchup."

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 04:47 PM | Reply

I'll see your liar and raise you two.

DNC

#107 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2016-09-16 04:47 PM | Reply

You make this too easy:
www.politifact.com

"Can a Muslim be President of the United States of America? In a word: Yes. Now let's move on." -- HRC

My, my, SYCOPHANT...those goal posts MUST be getting heavy.

Now instead of quoting opinions of TV talking heads, maybe you should try out some FACTS.
#103 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

So your suggesting Heilemann's insider account of the 2008 campaign is also a lie? At least, Politifact should take issue with the following if they assert "There is no record that Clinton herself or anyone within her campaign ever advanced the charge that Obama was not born in the United States. A review by our fellow fact-checkers at Factcheck.org reported that no journalist who investigated this ever found a connection to anyone in the Clinton organization." That's interesting when one considers:

Host Joe Scarborough called Clinton's attack on Trump "rich," saying, "For Hillary Clinton to come out and criticize anybody for spreading the rumors about Barack Obama, when it all started … with her and her campaign passing things around in the Democratic primary[.] … This started with Hillary Clinton, and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008." …

Heilemann, author of the insider account of the 2008 election Game Change, said it was the case that Clinton spread the rumors. "It was the case," he said. "I'm affirming the Scarborough-Brzezinski assertion."

#108 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:49 PM | Reply

Furthermore, SYCOPHANT,

FYA: "The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign."

Again, starting? Maybe not, but fanning the flames? Heilemann suggests A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y!

#109 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 04:53 PM | Reply

More than a full year before anyone would hear of Orly Taitz, the Birther strategy was first laid out in the Penn memo (mentioned in #21). The "othering" foundation was built subliminally by the Clinton campaign itself. Democrats and Clinton campaign surrogates did the dirtiest of the dirty work: openly spread the Birther lies. Staffers in Hillary's actual campaign used email to spread the lies among other Democrats (this was a Democrat primary after all -- so that is the only well you needed to poison a month before a primary). The HRC campaign released the Obama turban photo. Hillary herself used 60 Minutes to further stoke these lies by suggesting "Barrack Obama is not a Muslim, as far as I know."

#110 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 05:03 PM | Reply

Donald Trump is making another attempt to appear "normal" and "sane."

Don't let him fool you.

#111 | Posted by cbob at 2016-09-16 05:04 PM | Reply

"A basket of Deplorables"

that sounds like something you would serve with fries.

Close.

It is served with Lies.

#112 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 05:05 PM | Reply

Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and therefore potentially ineligible to serve in the presidency.

#100 | Posted by homerj at 20

yes...here is more of this story...NOTICE the double speak at the end....they didn't start it...but they fired a staffer for.......starting it....makes PERFECT SENSE when you know the clinton history....

Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and therefore potentially ineligible to serve in the presidency.

Doyle made the admission on Twitter, as she responded to former George W. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer. Fleischer said that Clinton's staff had spread the rumor. Doyle said that was a "lie" -- but admitted, in the same tweet, that she had fired the "rogue" staffer who had used email to spread the Birther conspiracy theory.

#113 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 05:09 PM | Reply

Deflection

Deflection

Deflection

Trump pushed it for five years. Not Hillary.

Trump and the GOP own it. 2/3 of his supporters believe it.

And now Trump admitted he was making it up the entire time.

That's game over. Deal with it.

#114 | Posted by Sycophant at 2016-09-16 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So now we are holding the Candidates responsible for things their volunteers say?

Got it.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy

No--that would be the fan of Hillary in the 60 Minutes interview in March 2008
When asked about Obama being born in the US or being a muslim--The campaign had circulated the Obama photos with the turbin on his head. Hillary said--

"As far as I know"

www.youtube.com

Go to 1:47 and forward...

#115 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 05:17 PM | Reply

I know folks have to cry and whine about something but I just think it's been funny to watch everyone go nuts over this.

read this thread. folks still haven't gotten over it.

Obama has, I'm sure. You can all stop crying. Obama is a big boy and survived it. You can too.

#116 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 05:20 PM | Reply

Trump's campaign spokesman, trying to calm the waters, said overnight the Republican candidate now believes Obama was born in the U.S. Campaign spokesman Jason Miller said Trump "did a great service to the country" by bringing closure to the debate.
www.foxnews.com

HAHAHA! Trump's campaign now demanding respect that Trump was the ONLY one to bring closure to the "debate." Absolutely classic and prime example of why he will get away with this crap aaaallllll the way to the White House.

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 05:24 PM | Reply

"Can you offer a quote from HRC in 2008 declaring "Barrack Obama was undoubtedly born in the U.S."?
#45 | Posted by rstybeach11"

But can YOU offer a quote from Trumpf declaring "Joseph Goebbels was not my uncle."

Aha!!

#118 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2016-09-16 05:27 PM | Reply

#114 | Posted by Sycophant

He acknowledged Obama was born in the USA--period.

The only ones defecting are the folks who want to keep talking about it instead of the issues.

She doesn't want everyone talking about her seizure on 9/11, her email server, her allergy to the truth, her handling of Benghazi and lying to the families, her handling of classified information, her deleting 33,000 emails about the Clinton Foundation and pay for play, her failure of judgment, her incompetence.

She is a moron of the highest pinnacle. She is the queen of corruption.

#119 | Posted by MURPHY at 2016-09-16 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And now Trump admitted he was making it up the entire time.
#114 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2016-09-16 05:16 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Either that's a lie or you have terrible reading comprehension. I'll side with the former, for your sake.

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 05:31 PM | Reply

"But can YOU offer a quote from Trumpf declaring "Joseph Goebbels was not my uncle."

...as far as I know......

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2016-09-16 05:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Some things never change... Like being bested?
#101 | Posted by wisgod"

Tell us how it makes you feel, Wis. Don't worry, you are in a safe place - this thread is strictly moderated.

#122 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2016-09-16 05:32 PM | Reply

Obama has, I'm sure. You can all stop crying. Obama is a big boy and survived it. You can too.
#116 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Yeah! Even Trump said that he's over it. So what's the big deal, right?

Oh yeah, that Trump is over it. That's kind of a big deal...considering.

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 05:34 PM | Reply

But can YOU offer a quote from Trumpf declaring "Joseph Goebbels was not my uncle."
Aha!!

#118 | POSTED BY MONTECORE

Was that an accusation made against him? If so, I'm sure the quote is out there. If not, how in the world would I be able to procure such a quote?

Now Hillary, OTOH, was in the midst of a specific accusation against B. Hussein that she did not denounce until long after she lost the primary. Hence, your "Aha!!" moment is nothing of the sort.

#124 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 05:36 PM | Reply

Note to the Deplorables:

If you dont care that Trump lied for 5 years and wollowed in the hate he stirred up among you, stop embarrassing yourselves and please STFU about pretending you care if a candidate lies.

Your pretense is a lie. It makes liars out of you.

Own your hypocrisy.

Lies are completely fine with you as long as it is your guy telling them.

#125 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2016-09-16 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


 

Wow, this thread is still continuing?

OK, allow me to ask a question...

Mr Trump has been on the birther thing for a long, long time.

Pres Obama released his birth certificate five years ago. Yet it has taken Mr Trump until today to realize that Pres Obama is indeed a Citizen of this Great Country of ours.

So, if I may ask a simple question...

What convinced Mr Trump, oh so recently, that the birth certificate Pres Obama release five years ago is suddenly valid?

What new evidence has come to light to change Mr Trump's mind.

Transparency, Mr Trump, please. All I ask for is transparency.

#126 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 05:49 PM | Reply

Why not ask the same question of Hillary as it was her campaign in '08 that originally raised the question - or did you forget?
"The paper trail
The allegation about Obama's birthplace tracks back to the bruising 2008 Democratic primary between Obama and Clinton. According to a Telegraph article, as early as April 2008, a Clinton supporter passed around an email that questioned where Obama was born.
"Barack Obama's mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy," it said. "She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth."
The cry that Obama was not a legitimate candidate grew much louder in June."

#36 | POSTED BY MSGT AT 2016-09-16 01:39 PM | FLAG:


#36 - Another lie, no citation.

#37 | POSTED BY YAV

A lie? No. Nothing more than YOUR ignorance, that's all:

The paper trail

The allegation about Obama's birthplace tracks back to the bruising 2008 Democratic primary between Obama and Clinton. According to a Telegraph article, as early as April 2008, a Clinton supporter passed around an email that questioned where Obama was born.

"Barack Obama's mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy," it said. "She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth."

www.politifact.com

From the Telegraph:

"In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.
It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama's main rival for the party's nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight -- that he had not been born in Hawaii."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8478044/Birther-row-began-with-Hillary- Clinton-supporters.html
Couple that with the context provided by Heilleman: "Host Joe Scarborough called Clinton's attack on Trump "rich," saying, "For Hillary Clinton to come out and criticize anybody for spreading the rumors about Barack Obama, when it all started … with her and her campaign passing things around in the Democratic primary[.] … This started with Hillary Clinton, and it was spread by the Clinton team in 2008." …

Heilemann, author of the insider account of the 2008 election Game Change, said it was the case that Clinton spread the rumors. "It was the case," he said. "I'm affirming the Scarborough-Brzezinski assertion."

HRC may not be to blame for starting the rumors, but she can't be absolved of circulating the rumors and fanning the flames. Which, in all reality, is just as bad as making the BS up. Either way, HRC had the specific intent in benefitting from the lies about Obama's "otherism."

#127 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama has, I'm sure. You can all stop crying. Obama is a big boy and survived it. You can too.

#116 | Posted by eberly

Trolling Trump.... hmmmm... sounds about right.

#128 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 06:07 PM | Reply

Rstybeach - you think your'e clever leaving out the key part?

Why not ask the same question of Hillary as it was her campaign in '08 that originally raised the question - or did you forget?

It was not her campaign. The material quoted specifies it was a "Clinton supporter"

That's what I replied to and about, and that's crystal clear in the thread that your post cited.

So stop lying. OK?

#129 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So stop lying. OK?

#129 | Posted by YAV

They will admit they lied, oh, about 5 years from now.

#130 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

@#127 ...HRC may not be to blame for starting the rumors, but she can't be absolved of circulating the rumors and fanning the flames....V

Really, that's what you're gong with?

Fanning the flames?

Fanning the flames

Mr Trump has made it his mission to be the birtherism standard bearer.

C'mon. Please, please, up your game if you want to play in realm of reality.

#131 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Hillary Clinton surrogate Sid Blumenthal personally pitched a reporter on the President Obama "birther" story when she was campaigning for president in 2008, a former Washington reporter said Thursday.

The Clinton campaign and the media have consistently refuted Trump's claim Clinton started the birther movement, which Trump re-upped Friday when he said for the first publicly that he believes Obama was born in the United States. "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy," Trump said, drawing a slew of media fact checks almost immediately. "I finished it."

But former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher has backed up Trump's version of events, saying he was personally pitched the story by a Clinton surrogate in 2008.

Clinton had tweeted: "President Obama's successor cannot and will not be the man who led the racist birther movement. Period."

And Asher replied: "@HillaryClinton So why did your man #sidblumenthal spread the #obama birther rumor to me in 2008, asking us to investigate? Remember?"

dailycaller.com

#132 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:16 PM | Reply

The only thing dumber than a Trump supporter after today is to buy his explanation that Hillary Clinton was responsible for it.

"Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?"

www.politifact.com

#133 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-16 06:16 PM | Reply

C'mon. Please, please, up your game if you want to play in realm of reality.
#131 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

That is reality, LL. Her campaign fanned the birtherism flames not just via forwarding an "anonymous" email created by Clinton supporters, but also pimping out the accusation to reporters. Please read #132.

Nice to at least HAVE some game, you pipsqueak :-P

#134 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:18 PM | Reply

"Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?"
www.politifact.com

#133 | POSTED BY DANNI

Try to catch up with the thread, will you Danni?

#135 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:19 PM | Reply

HRC may not be to blame for starting the rumors, but she can't be absolved of circulating the rumors and fanning the flames. Which, in all reality, is just as bad as making the BS up. Either way, HRC had the specific intent in benefitting from the lies about Obama's "otherism."

#127 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

HRC cant be absolved? Why TF not, you have already forgiven Trump for screeching about it for years after he KNEW IT WAS A LIE.

#136 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2016-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply

#132 - I suppose it was inevitable that Rstybeach would quote the dailycaller. Egads.

#137 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply

@#132 Hillary Clinton surrogate Sid Blumenthal personally pitched a reporter on the President Obama "birther" story...

What new information has come to light that has convinced Mr Trump that Pres Obama was born in this Great Country of our?

#138 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 06:20 PM | Reply

@#134 ...Her campaign fanned the birtherism flames...

Yet I note that you have not provided any manner of links or direct quotes from her campaign.

So I will ask you directly, please educate me on how fmr Sec of State Clinton's campaign has "fanned the birtherism flames."

I thank you in advance.

#139 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 06:24 PM | Reply

The material quoted specifies it was a "Clinton supporter"
That's what I replied to and about, and that's crystal clear in the thread that your post cited.
So stop lying. OK?

#129 | POSTED BY YAV

The fact you call me a liar exposes your inability to reason. There is no lie here, YAV. Just context within nuance. Clinton supporter "raised" the question, which was then forwarded to other supporters by the Campaign. Heilleman confirmed this in his book Game Change. Former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher also asserts her campaign pitched/raised the question to him specifically asking to look into it.

Whether it originated through Hillary's campaign or just her supporters is a moot point, IMO. It was the beneficial outcome that Hillary and her campaign sought out actively (as evidenced by the above). Whether fanning the flames or taking blame for creating the movement altogether has the same outcome: political benefit to Hillary. Considering it took her so long to denounce the idea that B. Hussein was not born in the U.S., she clearly had the intention of gaining said benefit.

And enough of this "It wasn't Hillary herself, it was her campaign" nonsense. Haven't any of you folks ever heard of "plausible deniability"? She doesn't need to get her hands dirty with this mess; that's what her campaign staffers are for.

#140 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Why TF not, you have already forgiven Trump for screeching about it for years after he KNEW IT WAS A LIE.
#136 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

One must be directly associated with the other? Hillary's campaign's hands are dirty in this mess. Are they bloody? No. But dirty nonetheless, which has been clearly evidenced on this thread.

Trump is a POS for peddling this stuff for as long as he has. Hillary and her campaign (2008) were pieces of ---- for spreading this stuff for as long as they did. Granted, Trump is a bigger piece of ---- for doing so. But do I really need to berate Trump even more than I already have? Please do not misconstrue my criticism of Hillary and her 2008 campaign as support for Trump.

That would be a foolish, FOOLISH mistake on your part.

#141 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The fact you call me a liar exposes your inability to reason.

Or it means you got caught lying.

But thanks for finally admitting that the nuance you're now hiding behind in justifying your response to me applies to you, but "is a moot point" on the main issue.

So now we can add "hypocrite."

#142 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#132 - I suppose it was inevitable that Rstybeach would quote the dailycaller. Egads.
#137 | POSTED BY YAV

So Daily Caller is misquoting James Asher? Did they completely fabricate his tweet?

If you're saying the Daily Caller is lying, then I guess you're a fool. If you're suggesting James Asher is lying, on what basis are you making such an accusation?

Because Asher lays it out in all its glory for you to see without visiting the Daily Caller: twitter.com

So how about them apples?

#143 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Or it means you got caught lying.

Wrong.

But thanks for finally admitting that the nuance you're now hiding behind in justifying your response to me applies to you, but "is a moot point" on the main issue.

Finally? I acknowledged the nuance early on. If you can't perceive Clinton's campaign spreading birtherism rumors as an issue, you MUST be an unreasonable Clinton supporter.

So now we can add "hypocrite."
#142 | POSTED BY YAV

Now you're just using big words that you can't define (obviously).

#144 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:39 PM | Reply

Oh goody! Now that we can all agree that it was a Clinton supporter (presumably registered Democrat) that created the birther movement email, is it safe to say that the Democrats do indeed harbor racists just like their Republican counterparts?

#145 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:47 PM | Reply


Mr or Ms RSTYBEACH11, if I may ask a question once again...

What new information has come to light that has convinced Mr Trump that Pres Obama was born in this Great Country of our?

I thank you in advance for your reply.

#146 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 06:48 PM | Reply

What new information has come to light that has convinced Mr Trump that Pres Obama was born in this Great Country of our?

Beats me. Probably none other than the fact his "advisors" do not believe it's a good message to pursue at this stage of the game. With that said, what does it have to do with the Hillary portion of this conversation that I've obviously been addressing?

#147 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:50 PM | Reply

Oh and you're welcome 🐒💩

#148 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:51 PM | Reply


@#147 ..Beats me....

So you acknowledge that you know of no new information about the topic in question, yet you are quite OK with a major, most significantly change of opinion of a candidate about that topic?

Can you explain to me, please, why and how you have changed your opinion?

As always, I thank you in advance.

#149 | Posted by lamplighter at 2016-09-16 06:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So you acknowledge that you know of no new information about the topic in question, yet you are quite OK with a major, most significantly change of opinion of a candidate about that topic?

Before I accuse you of projection, just exactly where in this thread (or any other for that matter) have I espoused support or being okay with ANYTHING Trump related?

Can you explain to me, please, why and how you have changed your opinion?

What opinion is that? You must have me confused with someone else, or are foolishly (already addressed once before, but here it is again for good measure) confusing my criticism of Hillary and her 2008 campaign as support for Trump.

#150 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"There is no lie here, YAV. Just context within nuance. Clinton supporter "raised" the question, which was then forwarded to other supporters by the Campaign."

Then Trump can't avoid being connected to the White Supremacists, guilt by association. That's how you roll?

#151 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-16 07:02 PM | Reply

Good luck, Danni.
Maybe you can help him figure out that "big word" I used.

#152 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 07:04 PM | Reply


...Before I accuse you of projection, just exactly where in this thread (or any other for that matter) have I espoused support or being okay with ANYTHING Trump related?...

Aside from you being aware of "projection"...

OK.... I'll admit that your messages led me astray.

...You must have me confused with someone else...

No. I misread your irony. Apologies are given.

#153 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 07:08 PM | Reply

The spin here is making us dizzy...

campaign manager, DOYLE....tweet produced by a reporter with the washington post..

former bureou chief in DC Jim Asher...talking about hrc fav SIDNEY....

yet we spin and spin and spin......

and this whole thing came up with latest polls showing race closing.....now, polls are polls are polls, but they use them...gee whizz...what a coincidence...

#154 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:14 PM | Reply

Maybe you can help him figure out that "big word" I used.
#152 | POSTED BY YAV

You baselessly call be a hypocrite than go running to grandma DANNI for assistance. Coward.

#155 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#154 ...The spin here is making us dizzy......

So what are you saying?

[open question to all]
Has there been any public statements from the Clinton campaign about Pres Obama's birthplace?

#156 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 07:19 PM | Reply

Then Trump can't avoid being connected to the White Supremacists, guilt by association. That's how you roll?
#151 | POSTED BY DANNI

Did my criticism of Hillary and her 2008 campaign lead you astray like it did LAMPLIGHTER? That's too bad.

I'll let you figure out your error in logic. But won't expect an apology, like the upstanding LAMPLIGHTER offered. DANNI's too proud to remove her blinders.

#157 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But former McClatchy Washington Bureau Chief James Asher has backed up Trump's version of events, saying he was personally pitched the story by a Clinton surrogate in 2008.

Clinton had tweeted: "President Obama's successor cannot and will not be the man who led the racist birther movement. Period."

And Asher replied: "@HillaryClinton So why did your man #sidblumenthal spread the #obama birther rumor to me in 2008, asking us to investigate?"

#158 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:20 PM | Reply

So what are you saying?

[open question to all]
Has there been any public statements from the Clinton campaign about Pres Obama's birthplace?

#156 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016

the spin from here....not clinton....plus it's more of a figure of speech..there's NEVER been anyone here who's had even remotely that effect on me.....

what really has the leftist miffed is they can't talk about fox or jones....

#159 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:23 PM | Reply

I just thought the angle was to reveal the fact or convince folks somehow that Obama lied on his college admission and embarrass him with that.

Really, that's the angle you perceive?
Not that he's unqualified for the Office of President itself because he's foreign born, but that he conned his way into liberal elite Harvard... where he went on to graduate summa cum laude.

That's cute. As in, nearly impossible to believe that you never figured out the birther thing was supposed to disqualify Obama from being President.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-16 07:24 PM | Reply

@#155...You baselessly call be a hypocrite than go running to grandma DANNI for assistance. Coward.

Wow, just wow.

We had a discussion. I said I misread your comments.

I apologised.

So you "accept my apology" by calling me a coward.

Mere words fail me.

#161 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 07:25 PM | Reply

is this all over yet ?....

lol

#162 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:26 PM | Reply

Clinton had tweeted: "President Obama's successor cannot and will not be the man who led the racist birther movement. Period."
And Asher replied: "@HillaryClinton So why did your man #sidblumenthal spread the #obama birther rumor to me in 2008, asking us to investigate?"

#158 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

A little late to the party, BABBLES. Or are you just reiterating my point? If so, appreciate your support, but repetition is not necessary. A logical opinion pertaining to why Hillary's 2008 campaign should be criticized for fanning the flames of birtherism would be useful, however.

#163 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:26 PM | Reply

So you "accept my apology" by calling me a coward.
Mere words fail me.

#161 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Stay calm, young LAMPLIGHTER, and do not fret. I called YAV a coward for #152.

#164 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:28 PM | Reply

I tried to scroll down all the way but I just couldn't force my way all the way down so I took a shot.......

I became overcome with grief and tears reading the desperation....and I took the easy way out....

#165 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:30 PM | Reply


@#164 ...Stay calm...

Stepping away from the keyboard here...

Thanks. :)

#166 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 07:31 PM | Reply

Trump is in the process of flaming out and his sychophants are having a hard time accepting it. He has been lying for five years while calling others liars. He's created a huge mess for his campaign and I don't know if there is a mop big enough to clean it up.

#167 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-16 07:33 PM | Reply

A logical opinion pertaining to why Hillary's 2008 campaign should be criticized for fanning the flames of birtherism would be useful, however.

#163 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll get to work on my assignment asap....but it IS margarita time in texas.....priorities..

#168 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:36 PM | Reply

He's created a huge mess for his campaign and I don't know if there is a mop big enough to clean it up.
#167 | POSTED BY DANNI

I fully agree. However, even with those issues, I believe he will still win. Albeit without my support, of course (and for the record).

#169 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:38 PM | Reply

I'll get to work on my assignment asap....but it IS margarita time in texas.....priorities..
#168 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

Juuuuuust when I think I can finally get on the same page as BABBLES, he turns and runs to the fiesta. Thanks, bro.

#170 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:40 PM | Reply

is this all over yet ?....

lol

#162 | Posted by afkabl2

"this" has just begun.

A Candidate for President just admitted he has been Trolling the American People and spreading vicious lies about the current President for 5 years.

#171 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A Candidate for President just admitted he has been Trolling the American People and spreading vicious lies about the current President for 5 years.
#171 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

He's a ------- idiot.

#172 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:42 PM | Reply

Albeit without my support, of course (and for the record).

#169 | Posted by rstybeach11

thanks for clarifying that...I was beginning to worry about you. Thought maybe Afkbabbles had slipped you a roofie.

#173 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-16 07:42 PM | Reply

When is Trump going to admit he is a lying corrupt fat bigot pedophile? Will it take 5 years for him to acknowledge those truths as well?
I am sure when that happens his supporters will blame facts, laws, spoons, minorities and his daughter for starting it.

#174 | Posted by bored at 2016-09-16 07:47 PM | Reply

 

@#168 (wow, 168) ...A logical opinion pertaining to why Hillary's 2008 campaign should be criticized for fanning the flames of birtherism would be useful, however....

The answer is that they decided not to use it.

Opposition research digs up all manner of dirt on, well, the opposition. Whether or not that dirt is used in the campaign is a different story.

So, when, and for how many years, has the fmr Sec of State Clinton campaign used the birther conspiracy for their political purposes? How many years? That's a simple question, answerable n a number.

Compare and contrast that with the number of years that Mr Trump has used the birther conspiracy for his own campaign. How many years? That also is a simple question answerable in a single number.

#175 | Posted by LampLighter at 2016-09-16 07:48 PM | Reply

The answer is that they decided not to use it.

They didn't? So Asher was lying?

So, when, and for how many years, has the fmr Sec of State Clinton campaign used the birther conspiracy for their political purposes? How many years? That's a simple question, answerable n a number.

I believe it was less than a year. Maybe closer to six months.

Compare and contrast that with the number of years that Mr Trump has used the birther conspiracy for his own campaign. How many years? That also is a simple question answerable in a single number.

Numerous, many, multiple. However, that does not mitigate the deserved criticism of Hillary's 2008 campaign nor should it.

#176 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Coward?

No - I figured out there's no point to even bothering with you.

The reason I said what I did WRT Danni's post is because she saw the same hypocrisy.
You missed it twice now.

If you think I'm using the word wrong, you may want to reexamine your premise.

As far as any apology, you won't be getting one until you apologize to me for #127 (#129).

#177 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll get to work on my assignment asap....but it IS margarita time in texas.....priorities..
#168 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

Juuuuuust when I think I can finally get on the same page as BABBLES, he turns and runs to the fiesta. Thanks, bro.

#170 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 201

I keep saying it...it's not the margarita that's the priority....the priority's name is MARIA....

she doesn't need to bring any sauce....the table sizzles just by her standing there...

#178 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:54 PM | Reply

dems who support the LYING QUEEN going berserk about LYING....

what a country.....

carpe diem

amerika prvi

#179 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-16 07:57 PM | Reply

The reason I said what I did WRT Danni's post is because she saw the same hypocrisy.
You missed it twice now.

Now you speak for DANNI? Away with you and your BS, YAV. The plonk is sitting and waiting for your execution. Do us a favor and utilize the most innovative aspect of the Retort since the yellow background.

As far as any apology, you won't be getting one until you apologize to me for #127 (#129).

Never asked for an apology from you. Wouldn't mean ---- to me anyways.

Shame, you must have been led astray like LAMPLIGHTER and DANNI. Here's to the hope you'll never have to deal with my "hypocrisy" ever again through your wielding of the plonk mechanism. All. It. Takes. Is. One. Click. YAV.

#180 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 07:59 PM | Reply

I don't speak for Danni.
It was OBVIOUS she saw what I saw because she called you on the same thing.

Never asked for an apology from you.
"I'll let you figure out your error in logic. But won't expect an apology, like the upstanding LAMPLIGHTER offered."

Good thing.

I've never plonked anyone, Rsty. Until this insanity of yours tonight, I've always enjoyed your posting. But this everyone (except maybe republicans) have been "led astray" crap is really silly.

Or it just might be a clue for you.

#181 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

However, that does not mitigate the deserved criticism of Hillary's 2008 campaign nor should it.

Who said it did? What's Clinton in 2008 got to do with this? Clinton isn't the one keeping this in the news eight years later.

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-16 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My feeling is that Trump became an un-birther today to further bury a story that wasn't getting much coverage anyway but should really have been the story of the week with regard to the Trump campaign:

Trump Foreign Business Ties Threaten National Security

Newsweek: Throughout this campaign, the Trump Organization, which pumps potentially hundreds of millions of dollars into the Trump family's bank accounts each year, has been largely ignored. As a private enterprise, its businesses, partners and investors are hidden from public view, even though they are the very people who could be enriched by -- or will further enrich -- [Donald] Trump and his family if he wins the presidency. A close examination by Newsweek of the Trump Organization, including confidential interviews with business executives and some of its international partners, reveals an enterprise with deep ties to global financiers, foreign politicians and even criminals, although there is no evidence the Trump Organization has engaged in any illegal activities. It also reveals a web of contractual entanglements that could not be just canceled.

www.drudge.com

Did RCade even move the story to the front page? I don't know. It got all of 14 comments. Winning!

#183 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-09-16 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Gal, that's a HUGE story, and it's beyond sad that Trump "wins" by being a never ending source of absolute crud and lies. He streams it out so fast and so often no one knows what to do.

The answer, of course, is to send a clear message that Trump is unfit and absolutely unworthy of being President of the United States. It's scary that he's doing as well as he is.

#184 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Never asked for an apology from you.

"I'll let you figure out your error in logic. But won't expect an apology, like the upstanding LAMPLIGHTER offered."
#181 | POSTED BY YAV

Some here have been confusing my criticism of Hillary and her 2008 campaign as an attempt to support or apologize for Trump. Not once have I offered support or an apology for Trump, so the basis of disconnect lies squarely with them and not I. With that said, please allow me to clear up your confusion regarding the above quote:

Then Trump can't avoid being connected to the White Supremacists, guilt by association. That's how you roll?
#151 | POSTED BY DANNI
Did my criticism of Hillary and her 2008 campaign lead you astray like it did LAMPLIGHTER? That's too bad.
I'll let you figure out your error in logic. But won't expect an apology [from you, DANNI], like the upstanding LAMPLIGHTER offered. DANNI's too proud to remove her blinders.
#157 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

In order for me to maintain consistency and avoid hypocrisy, I would have to be of the mind that Trump retweeting racist comments by White Supremacists is guilt by association (which, for the record, I am!). Therefore, my criticism aimed at Hillary and her 2008 campaign spreading false rumors (not creating, mind you, but spreading -- i.e., fanning flames) is right in line with guilt by association. But, in reality, it goes deeper than that. Hillary is not just associated with her supporters or her campaign's false rumor propagation, she allowed it to transpire! Admittedly to what degree is a fair question (again, plausible deniability is an effective tool here). Yet, that does not absolve her of blame considering SHE'S IN CHARGE! The same could be, and is being, said about Trump. They both deserve derision, Trump more so than Hillary considering she dropped the matter before the 2008 election and Trump finally has done so 8 years later.

Consistency a hypocritical statement does not make.

#185 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 09:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Reasonable. I will respect your perspective, Rstybeach.

#186 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 09:36 PM | Reply

Trump Admits His Birther Attack Was Nonsense

No, he didn't. He was talking about this birther nonsense as recently as last month. This is nothing but political expediency.

Nor did he admit he was wrong. Something Trump never does. Bad trait in a human being.

#187 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-09-16 09:40 PM | Reply

But this everyone (except maybe republicans) have been "led astray" crap is really silly.

LAMPLIGHTER admitted his use of projection when interpreting my criticism of Hillary as a deflection away from and support for Trump. As he put it "He was led astray..." That's what I was referring to. DANNI seemed to make the same mistake with her comment about Trump and White Supremacists.

If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not a Hillary supporter. And I'm not a Democrat. So please do not assume I have a certain unstated POV about one subject or individual when I state my POV about something or someone else.

Facts of the matter are as follows:

(1) Hillary nor her campaign originally came up with the Birther idea.
(2) I lazily suggested she implied that it originated in her camp by mentioning the Penn memo when I had meant to emphasize her campaign's action of spreading the rumors. RCADE was quick to correct me, which rightfully forced me to reframe my actual argument.
(3) Hillary's campaign helped fan the Birtherism flames by spreading the rumors via email to Hillary supporters and insinuating comments to reporters.
(4) Trump is a piece of ----.

These are the facts. You can choose to accept them as you see fit or continue calling me a liar to no one's benefit but that of your own ego.

#188 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 09:44 PM | Reply

Nor did he admit he was wrong. Something Trump never does. Bad trait in a human being.
#187 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

NOPE! What's worse, he's demanding respect that he "ended the debate." The ------- idiot can't even recognize that there wasn't a debate in the first place. When you're debating facts, you're exposing your inability to reason.

#189 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 09:49 PM | Reply

Did you read #186 before posting #188, Rstybeach?

#190 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 09:50 PM | Reply

Reasonable. I will respect your perspective, Rstybeach.
#186 | POSTED BY YAV

I appreciate your tolerance.

#191 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 09:51 PM | Reply

i demand that DJ Trumpuss show me his proof that Obama was born in the USA.
-ftw

#192 | Posted by ichiro at 2016-09-16 09:53 PM | Reply

The cognitive dissonance of Hillary Clinton fanatics set a new record within this thread.

If any of these Hillary supporters had a gram of self-realization, then after reviewing the posts in this thread it is possible a few users may reconsider being a Hill Shill and join Team Jill.

#193 | Posted by ReformedNeocon at 2016-09-16 09:55 PM | Reply

Did you read #186 before posting #188, Rstybeach?
#190 | POSTED BY YAV

Nope. Hence the #191.

#194 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 09:57 PM | Reply

@#194 - figured - why I asked.
BTW - respect rates higher than tolerance in my book.
For what that's worth to you from an anonymous person on the "internets."

#195 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-16 10:03 PM | Reply

Emotional Obama Tearfully Thanks Trump for Granting Him Citizenship

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) -- Calling this "the greatest day of my life," a visibly moved Barack Obama held a news conference on Friday to thank Donald Trump for granting him U.S. citizenship.

"The issue of whether or not I was a U.S. citizen has been a dark cloud over my existence for as long as I can remember," a tearful Obama told the press corps. "Only one man had the courage, wisdom, and doggedness to make that cloud go away: Donald J. Trump."

The President, who had to halt several times during his remarks to compose himself, praised the Republican Presidential nominee for "never giving up" in his quest to prove that Obama was born in the U.S.

"A weaker man would have said, ‘I don't need this in my life,' but Donald Trump was always there for me," the President said. "Over the past five years, barely a day went by when he didn't call me and say, ‘Barack, I don't care what a bunch of crackpots say. You were born here, and I'm going to prove it once and for all.' "

The President said he planned to spend the day celebrating his U.S. citizenship with his family. "It's great to be an American, at last," he said.

When asked if he had any message for Trump, the President paused for a moment. "Just this: I love you," he said, a tear trickling down his cheek.

Andy Borowitz is a New York Times best-selling author and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report for newyorker.com.

www.newyorker.com

#196 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-09-16 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Coincidence or a wink and a nod:

Donald Trump Introduced By Birther At His Event Rejecting Birtherism

Thomas McInerney cited "widespread and legitimate concerns" about Obama's birthplace in 2010.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#197 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-09-16 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#195 | POSTED BY YAV

If you would allow me to be so bold to ask, please indulge my curiosity, but what was it about my perspective that gained your respect considering you previously, and seemingly, did not respect it? Forgive my misinterpretation of your post offering more than mere tolerance.

#198 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2016-09-16 10:44 PM | Reply

Borowitz, that's hilarious. Thanks for posting it, Gal.

#199 | Posted by Corky at 2016-09-16 10:59 PM | Reply

And the lying liars that support Trumpo continue their lies even on this thread. Be careful who you vote for...

#200 | Posted by e1g1 at 2016-09-16 11:15 PM | Reply

Trump once offered to pay $5 million to the charity of President Obama's choice if he released his college application and records along with his passport application and records. Maybe someone can offer to pay $5 million to the charity of Trump's choice (most likely the Trump Foundation!) if he releases his tax records.

#201 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2016-09-16 11:31 PM | Reply

Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.

In fact, Politico, in 2011, published a piece from two of its top reporters at the time -- Ben Smith and Byron Tau, who have gone on respectively to BuzzFeed and the Wall Street Journal -- specifically detailing how the Clinton campaign was behind birther rumors spreadin

The Atlantic in August 2008, a March, 19, 2007 strategy memo from longtime Clinton adviser Mark Penn proves that the Clinton campaign itself was pushing the conspiracy theory. Penn, in the memo, advocated that Clinton target Obama's "lack of American roots."

In fact, Clinton's 2008 campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle confirmed that Penn wrote the memo via Twitter on Friday of this week -- and also appeared on CNN to confirm that he did while working for the campaign and that he was fired for it.

#202 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-17 12:15 AM | Reply

Bloomberg's John Heilemann -- the co-author of the 2008 campaign book Game Change -- and MSNBC's Joe Scarborough also confirmed that Hillary Clinton's campaign was behind mainstreaming the birther theories.

"For Hillary Clinton to come out and criticize anybody for spreading the rumors about Barack Obama when it all started with her and her campaign passing things around in the Democratic primary," Scarborough said. "Now, listen, the Republicans are wrong for doing what they're doing. But it started with Hillary Clinton. And it was spread by the Clinton team."

There is no more room for debate on the question of the princess of prevarication or her 2008 campaign pushing this....in typical Orwellian use of Lenin's useful idiots, the leftist will say no, we didn't start but we FIRED OUR GUY WHO DID.....and people fall for that garbage....

time for a new story to come to the top, cause this one kicked her bad.....whether this august body thinks so or not..

#203 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-17 12:19 AM | Reply

I appreciate your tolerance.

WARM THE GAS CHAMBERS
TOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2016-09-17 12:21 AM | Reply

I followed trump when he was doing and saying this, but I thought it was foolish and said so, but when it comes to the issue of the clinton campaign pushing it first, denial of that has been proven to be pure garbage....

#205 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-17 12:22 AM | Reply

CUE FORREST GUMP...

"an dats alls I's gots da say bout dat'...

#206 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2016-09-17 12:26 AM | Reply

what was it about my perspective that gained your respect considering you previously, and seemingly, did not respect it?

Sure, Rsty. First, a caveat: Respecting you doesn't mean agreeing with your opinion. What changed?

1) Your clarification in item #188-1) "Hillary nor her campaign..." Prior to this, you quoted the "exchange" between me and MSGT (not a part of this thread) and you left off the point I was responding to which was exactly this point.
2) Penn Letter: I missed your change in attitude over the Penn letter. I'd already chastised a right-winger over that letter. I've read that letter. You did exactly the same thing that person did and (to me) that made you look either thoughtless or malicious. It flagged (to me) "I'm after Clinton no matter what and I'm going to throw whatever I find at her!" Your "Ease off the trigger there Rogers" showed no contrition to me and didn't help your image with me.
So what changed? You said you "lazily suggested" and "forced to reframe." That indicates a healthy ego and thoughtfulness and reexamination are present.
3) You changed the emphasis to "helped flame." I disagree with this, but I understand why you would hold this perspective, and I respect that you've arrived at that conclusion with considered thought.

Plus I acknowledge we all have confirmation bias at work here.

#207 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-17 08:48 AM | Reply

ENOUGH!
Now we are debating whether Donald Trump invented birtherism, which we know he did not, or if Hillary Clinton invented it, which we have several fact checking organizations saying she definitely did not nor did she participate in that nefarious exercise in anti-Americanism. Point being, Barrack Obama was an American even if he had been born outside of the United States, this was purely an attempt to reduce his citizenship which, legally, was never even in question.

#208 | Posted by danni at 2016-09-17 09:19 AM | Reply

#208 - That sums it up nicely.
I agree though I'd say "reduce his citizenship" is too generous.
This was (and still is) an effort to delegitimatcize Obama and his entire Presidency, IMHO.

#209 | Posted by YAV at 2016-09-17 10:00 AM | Reply

Re #209

Exactly. And AFKs blathering about who started it first is childish and immature like Trumps whole campaign has been. He is an embarrassment to us all. It reminds me of my kids in the back seat arguing over who touched who first. The first child stopped immediately and the other has been going on about it for 5 years. Trump has been using this and all his other made up crap to delegitimize this President for at least 5 years. So much crap spews from his bloviating pie hole no one can seem to keep up with his stream of nonsense.

The man is a joke and a Professional Troll.
He has Trolled us all.

Reminds me of that Bee Gees song:

"I started a joke which started the whole world crying
But I didn't see that the joke was on me oh no
I started to cry which started the whole world laughing
Oh If I'd only seen that the joke was on me"

#210 | Posted by donnerboy at 2016-09-17 11:44 AM | Reply

In fact, Clinton's 2008 campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle confirmed that Penn wrote the memo via Twitter on Friday of this week -- and also appeared on CNN to confirm that he did while working for the campaign and that he was fired for it.

#202 | Posted by afkabl2

Penn didn't infer Obama wasn't born in the U.S. either.

It was a volunteer in TX who did, and she was fired immediately.

#211 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2016-09-17 01:29 PM | Reply

I've never heard birtherism out of Hillary's mouth. We've all heard it out of DJT's mouth for 5 years.

His 36-second statement doesn't end the issue; it simply begs many other questions be answered, including:

1) What were those AMAZING things your investigators found out about BHO in Hawaii?

2) When, exactly, did you come to the conclusion BHO was born in America, and based on what?

3) Have you apologized to President Obama for all your misleading and false statements?

4) That "extremely credible source" who claimed BHO's birth certificate was a "fraud"...do you still consider him/her an "extremely credible source"?

5) If you "ended it" in 2011 when BHO released his LFBC, why did you retweet a claim it was a "forgery" in 2013?

That's for starters....

#212 | Posted by Danforth at 2016-09-17 03:44 PM | Reply

Trump is creating a John Kerry image for himself.

Trump was a birther before he is not a birther

Trump was pro choice before he was pro life.

Trump was for the Iraq war before he was against it.

Trump was for Libian intervention before he was against it.

Gary Johnson please save us.

#213 | Posted by jasfootball2 at 2016-09-17 07:09 PM | Reply

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