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Wednesday, September 03, 2014

The United States will pursue the killers of two American journalists "to the gates of hell," Vice President Joe Biden said Wednesday. "As a nation, we are united, and when people harm Americans, we don't retreat, we don't forget," he said at an appearance in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. "We take care of those who are grieving. And when that's finished, they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice because hell is where they will reside. Hell is where they will reside." Biden's words followed the U.S. authentication Wednesday of an ISIS terror group video, released the day before, showing the beheading of journalist Steven Sotloff.

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Am I the only one humming Meatloaf after the thread title?

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-09-03 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

And when that's finished, they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice because hell is where they will reside. Hell is where they will reside."

Just from a grammar perspective, why would we go to the gates of Hell just to put them in Hell? Seems like they are already basically there.

On a more cryptic note, the path to Hell IS paved in good intent and I fear our quest for revenge might overshadow our desire for justice and Hell is where we will end up.

#2 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Does this basically mean that the gates of Hell are located in Abbottabad, Pakistan?

#3 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-03 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who knew Biden was such a Tombstone fan.

You tell 'em I'M coming... and hell's coming with me, you hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!
-Wyatt Earp

#4 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

They will follow them to the gates of hell but, w/out a plan?

#5 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-03 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if those pushing for more war in Iraq would sacrifice their son or daughter for it.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-03 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6: This is not another war in Iraq. ISIS will bring this to us if we do not destroy them where they are. They happen to be in Syria and Iraq at the moment, but unchecked will be elsewhere soon.

#7 | Posted by path at 2014-09-03 06:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 sad that you've bought into the propaganda.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-03 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, then that's where we'll fall in.

#9 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-09-03 06:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Im pretty sure Biden already has a condo near the gates of hell, just a stones throw away from the Gaza Strip ... I think they should install a golf course o'er there as sort of a "Buffer Zone" ...

FOUR!

quite frankly, in order to find heaven, one must first pass through hell
~Anonymous

#10 | Posted by HeyPal at 2014-09-03 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope he has bigger plans than "buy[ing] a double barreled shotgun".

#11 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-09-03 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

... we will follow them to the gates of hell

And what do you want to bet Halliburton will be awarded a billlion $$$ no bid, cost plus contract to rebuild the gates of hell after we're done knocking 'em down.
.

#12 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-09-03 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Well thanks Joe, I guess we've got a strategy now, huh ?

#13 | Posted by lel2007 at 2014-09-03 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

And what do you want to bet Halliburton will be awarded a billlion $$$ no bid, cost plus contract to rebuild the gates of hell after we're done knocking 'em down.
.

Posted by CalifChris at 2014-09-03 08:27 PM | Reply

We have TONS of monies for wars. We have NONE to fix our Country.

#14 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-03 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

ISIS will bring this to us if we do not destroy them where they are. They happen to be in Syria and Iraq at the moment, but unchecked will be elsewhere soon.

#7 | Posted by path

Then let ISIS go elsewhere and, if and when they do show up on our doorstep, we can deal with them at that time.

Why do I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach the people of this country are getting played for a second time by the Neocons?

Seriously, are we AGAIN going to send our military to war half way around the world to chase down yet another ragtag group of jihadis scattered all over the place. They aren't even an organized army.

Yes, I'm sorry those two American reporters were gruesomely put to death but are those two lives worth the death of thousands more -- a number of whom could end up being our own military guys.

These ISIS guys have all of the sudden burst onto the world scene and I can't help but believe because Netanyahu and the other Neocons didn't get their way re nuking Iran they're trying another route. And NO I am not on the side of radical Islam. But I'm justifiably suspicious about all the war drums I've been hearing and this increasing ramping up to go to war.

#15 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-09-03 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#14 - you said it, Larry!

#16 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-09-03 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

What and where are the 28 redacted pages in the 9-11 intelligence report?

What other countries participated in 9-11?

Our corrupt politicians of both Parties keep us stuck in perpetual war, while doing nothing to make the USA a country where equality and prosperity reigns for all instead of only a 1 % minority. 28pages.org

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2014-09-03 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why do I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach the people of this country are getting played for a second time by the Neocons?"

I don't know because our President is defying the Neocons by not sending in thousands of troops. I'm glad Barrack Obama is in charge right now, ISIS is a real threat but it is a threat that requires a united Iraqi population, Sunnis and Sheias to defeat and what I hear is that the Sunnis are holding out for changes to the Iraqi Constitution that will guarantee Sunni rights before they will help defeat ISIS. Of course, IRan opposes such rights so ISIS will continue to kill all who are not Sunni MUslims.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-03 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

What other countries participated in 9-11?

Saudistan. Their Ambassador's wife funded at least two of the 9-11 terrorists.

#19 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-09-03 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Am I the only one humming Meatloaf after the thread title?

#1 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED AT 2014-09-03 01:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Me I'm humming Sabaton.

#20 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-09-03 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why do I get this feeling in the pit of my stomach the people of this country are getting played for a second time by the Neocons?

#15 | POSTED BY CALIFCHRIS AT 2014-09-03 08:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Biden and Obama are Neocons now?

#21 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-09-03 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Biden and Obama are Neocons now?

#21 | Posted by soheifox

It appears Obama plans on giving the Neocons the war they wanted so bad. Just read where Obama now plans to send 350 more troops to Iraq when only a week or so ago he said we would only do drone strikes. I've now concluded with the open borders crap and the rest Obama's been doing that, at a minimum, he's a globalist/corporatist with no loyalty at all to the American people. Come on, every new job for the last 6 or more years have gone to legal/illegal immigrants -- none to Americans. He doesn't give a damn about obeying our Constitution either with all his Executive Orders.. I voted for Obama twice but he didn't show his true colors until after the 2012 election. I gather you think he's wonderful?

nice to see you again, by the way
be back later

#22 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-09-03 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

There would be no isis as we know it today if we had left a residual force in Iraq.

Thanks Obama for another of your famous klusterf*cks.

#23 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-09-03 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Joe Biden is a good imperialist-liberal, like Hillary. He's no George McGovern.

I'm fed up to the ears with old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in.
George McGovern

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-09-03 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

There would be no isis as we know it today if we had left a residual force in Iraq.

Thanks Obama for another of your famous klusterf*cks.

Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-09-03 11:37 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1]

#25 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-03 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

world.time.com

Iraq's Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-03 11:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM! ...all over again. First it starts with protecting our embassy, then training the friendlies, then bombing, then more boots on the ground then 58K Americans KIA.

#27 | Posted by Robson at 2014-09-04 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't know about any of you, but I like the way Uncle Joe said what he said.

He's sort of like the crazy drunk uncle you put to bed after parties, but you know he will kick someone's a** if you ever need him to..

#28 | Posted by boaz at 2014-09-04 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Biden and Obama are Neocons now?

#21 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-09-03 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought that was established when Obama apparently bought into the idea that sprinkling Libya with bombs would turn it into a shining beacon of Democracy.

That said, I don't think targetting ISIS is really a neocon thing. They've been threatening us and we'd be foolish to ignore them. This isn't a "remake reality in our image" sort of project.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2014-09-04 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Someone made a funny point that how could you believe that the US will follow them to the gates of hell when they won't even bomb them in eastern Syria.

#30 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-04 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

So Biden says we will follow them to the gates of hell while Obama says we will make them a manageable problem... after Obama originally said we need to destroy them.

Does this administration communicate, even one individual communicating with themselves, about anything?

#31 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-04 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

28: That was weird. In an enjoyable sort of way.

#32 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-09-04 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't know about any of you, but I like the way Uncle Joe said what he said."

I bet he's cleaning and loading that double-barrel twelve gauge as we speak!

#33 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-09-04 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does this administration communicate, even one individual communicating with themselves, about anything?

#31 | Posted by HeuristicGratis

Never heard of the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine?

Biden was speaking to the blithering Fox News idiots and saying what they want to hear(see post 28). (Bad Cop)

Obama speaks to and for the rest of us rational reasonable folk. (Good Cop)

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-09-04 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama speaks to and for the rest of us rational reasonable folk."

And you "rational reasonable folk" suck up every last ounce of the kool-aid, dontcha? You still lookin' for those CSPAN videos of the healthcare negotiations back in 2009?...LOLOL

#35 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-09-04 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#34 Unfortunately Obama made his "destroyed"/"manageable problem" mistake in the same speech. I believe within 5 minutes of each other.

Lack of self awareness?

#36 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-04 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fascist imperialism is not defensible on any grounds other than those of organized banditry. i.e. I take what I want because I can.

The American empire is directly responsible for creating ISIS, in the same manner that the British empire was directly responsible for creating the American revolution. i.e. it called people taking up arms against it the equivalent of 'terrorists' too.

There is no ambiguity. If it was evil for Germany to invade Poland, then it is evil for the USSA to invade Iraq. Cut and dried.

#37 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-09-04 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gather you think he's wonderful?
nice to see you again, by the way
be back later
#22 | POSTED BY CALIFCHRIS AT 2014-09-03 10:27 PM | FLAG:

Nope. I'm a liberal, not a Democrat. I hold to most of the principles of the Democratic party. "Democrats" simply believe those with a D behind their name can do no wrong.

#38 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-09-04 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said this in 2009 as I'm saying it now: the only major difference between Bush and Obama is the skin tone of the out of touch liar on my screen.

#39 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-09-04 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does this administration communicate, even one individual communicating with themselves, about anything?

#31 | Posted by HeuristicGratis

I agree and this question and statement seems to either be ignored or not understood by his minion of supporters.

#40 | Posted by moneywar at 2014-09-04 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama speaks to and for the rest of us irrational delusional folk. (Good puppet)

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-09-04 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:
FTFA

Worst president ever. Worst administration ever. Worst group of democrat electorate in US history. Amazing he has even surpassed peanut head.

#41 | Posted by e_pluribus_unum at 2014-09-04 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

How very McCain of Biden. Well, any friend of "Bibi" must know how to go directly through the gates of Hell..

#42 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-09-04 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry - the end of the status of forces agreement was set to allow the next administration the choice to either renegotiate it or walk. Obama decided to walk. That was a stupid decision. He could have easily had an agreement if he wanted it.

After bragging how he got us out of Iraq - now he says "It was not my decision"

Just another lie but of course you are so committed to this liar you will just justify it. At some point in time you will have to embrace the truth- he is a lying sack and incompetent.

#43 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-04 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

By the way - he had known about ISIS for a year -called them the "JV" 3 months ago. And he still does not have a policy. So much for the gates of hell. Ears will do nothing because he does not want the US to be a leader in anything. He will drop a few bombs and send in some special forces.

Instead we need to put a division with armor in With the Kurds. Take Mosel back and give it to the Kurds giving an area of security for the Christians and others.

That is a strategy.

#44 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-04 08:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Howbout first we pursue our crumbling infrastructure and growing wealth gap "to the gates of hell", then deal with the terrorists later?

Why is there always unlimited money for war and nothing for anything else?

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-09-04 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry - the end of the status of forces agreement was set to allow the next administration the choice to either renegotiate it or walk. Obama decided to walk. That was a stupid decision. He could have easily had an agreement if he wanted it.

After bragging how he got us out of Iraq - now he says "It was not my decision"

Just another lie but of course you are so committed to this liar you will just justify it. At some point in time you will have to embrace the truth- he is a lying sack and incompetent.

#43 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-04 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

You LIE.

world.time.com

But it required that all U.S. forces be gone from Iraq by January 1, 2012, unless the Iraqi government was willing to negotiate a new agreement that would extend their mandate. And as Middle East historian Juan Cole has noted, "Bush had to sign what the [Iraqi] parliament gave him or face the prospect that U.S. troops would have to leave by 31 December, 2008, something that would have been interpreted as a defeat…

#46 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 09:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gates of hell my ass. They won't even go to Syria.

#47 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-09-04 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gates of hell my ass. They won't even go to Syria.

#47 | Posted by Huguenot

Thank god for that.

Hope the voters remember it in 2016 when they pick between the party of proceeding recklessly and the party of proceeding cautiously.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-09-04 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry Larry -the article was written by Tony Karon "a South African-born journalist and former anti-Apartheid activist. He is currently Al Jazeera America's senior online executive producer."

Who is he quoting? "Cole was a strong critic of the George W. Bush administration and is one of the most respected foreign policy commentators amongst left-wingbloggers"

He (and you) are quoting the OPINION of a left wing blogger who had a hard on for Bush and a bias for Obama as Fact. So one left winger quoting another left winger does not a fact make does it?? That is your problem you take something you agree with at face value as if it was actual fact.

#49 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-04 11:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49

en.wikipedia.org

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.[1]

#50 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.state.gov

Article 24
Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security
Forces, the assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and
based upon the strong relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the
following has been reached:
1.
All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no
later than December 31, 2011.
2.
All United States combat forces shall withdraw from Iraqi cities,
villages, and localities no later than the time at which Iraqi Security Forces
assume full responsibility for security in an Iraqi province, provided that
such withdrawal is completed no later than June 30, 2009

Signed in duplicate in Baghdad on this 17
th
day of November, 2008, in the
English and Arabic languages, each text bemg equally authent

#51 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-05 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

I thought that was established when Obama apparently bought into the idea that sprinkling Libya with bombs would turn it into a shining beacon of Democracy.

That said, I don't think targetting ISIS is really a neocon thing. They've been threatening us and we'd be foolish to ignore them. This isn't a "remake reality in our image" sort of project.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2

well said...

#52 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-09-05 05:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Biden was speaking to the blithering Fox News idiots and saying what they want to hear(see post 28). (Bad Cop)

Obama speaks to and for the rest of us rational reasonable folk. (Good Cop)

#34 | Posted by donnerboy at 201

what ? He was in new hampshire on a campaign stop.....but he said this for the fox viewers ???
oh brother....nothing else to say to 'stuff' like this....

#53 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-09-05 05:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

oh and obama might be speaking to you when he says they have no plan....of course that was off teleprompter where he becomes pretty much a complete idiot but mainly becomes the REAL barak obama and shows the world to be the dangerous nincompoop that we know that he is

#54 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-09-05 05:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

so the people who are the cause for the rise of these people and who knew a year ago are now vowing to go to hell to get them ?

aha ha ha ha ha ha FUNNY stuff

#55 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-09-05 05:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

So Larry - Bush could negotiate one but Obama was not capable of renegotiating one. You might be right. Obama is not competent.

Fact is if he wanted to have it extended he could have. Nothing in the agreement stops it from being amended.

He made the decision he did not want it amended. He wanted to run around getting points for getting us out.

However a leader would gave stood up and said it would be a bad idea. But he gas proven he does not want to be a leader - he just wants to organize others to do it. Wonder why?

#56 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-05 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

However a leader would gave stood up and said it would be a bad idea. But he gas proven he does not want to be a leader - he just wants to organize others to do it. Wonder why?

#56 | POSTED BY FOSHAFFER AT 2014-09-05 11:26 AM |

Then you should be quite proud of Obama as he did, in fact, try to extend our stay in Iraq, but it was Iraq who refused to extend immunity to our troops.

I blame Obama for trying to get us to stay, but since you want us to stay, give him proper props.

#57 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-05 11:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kan -prove it.

#58 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-05 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I blame Obama for trying to get us to stay,..."

Are you sure?? From the 2012 debate with Romney...

"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That's not true," Obama interjected. "Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?" Romney asked as an argument ensued. "No," Obama said. "What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East."

But then, he "lied"...or "misspoke" in a recent news conference.

On Thursday, Obama addressed reporters in the White House Briefing Room about Iraq's latest crisis. "Do you wish you had left a residual force in Iraq? Any regrets about that decision in 2011?" a reporter asked. "Well, keep in mind that wasn't a decision made by me," Obama said. "That was a decision made by the Iraqi government."

Believe me, he COULD have worked out a SOFA but he never intended to have one. But, like everything thing else, it wasn't HIS fault.

www.washingtonpost.com

#59 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-09-05 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure. For example:

As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year.

Those efforts had never really gone anywhere; One senior U.S. military official told National Journal last weekend that they were stuck at "first base" because of Iraqi reluctance to hold substantive talks.

www.theatlantic.com

OR
President Obama wanted to stay longer -- as recently as a few weeks ago asking the Iraqi government to allow 10,000, then 3,000 troops to remain past New Year's Eve.

But the president ultimately had no choice but to stick to candidate Obama's plan -- thanks, of all things, to an agreement signed by George W. Bush.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#60 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-05 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hell, per your own link:

"Well, keep in mind that wasn't a decision made by me," Obama said. "That was a decision made by the Iraqi government."

#61 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-05 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama made one pass, and stopped negotiation. He didn't get his way, and he quit rather than continuing to work and organize the community he was trying to interact with. Same thing he does with everything else.

He probably even threatened an executive order when the Iraqi government wouldn't give him everything he wanted. They laughed at his lack of realization that they weren't America and he got upset.

#62 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-05 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"As recently as last week, the White House was trying to persuade the Iraqis to allow 2,000-3,000 troops to stay beyond the end of the year."

If Obama had agreed to the numbers the generals and the Defense Department proposed, the deal would have been made. Here's the real story. (And I haven't modified it for you, Kan.)

"These claims don't jibe with what we know about how the negotiations with Iraq went. It's the White House itself that decided just 2–3,000 troops made sense, when the Defense Department and others were proposing more. Maliki was willing to accept a deal with U.S. forces if it was worth it to him -- the problem was that the Obama administration wanted a small force so that it could say it had ended the war. Having a very small American force wasn't worth the domestic political price Maliki would have to pay for supporting their presence. In other words, it's not correct that "the al-Maliki government wanted American troops to leave." That contradicts the reporting that's been done on the issue by well-known neocon propaganda factories The New Yorker and the New York Times. Prime Minister Maliki did say in public, at times, that he personally couldn't offer the guarantees necessary to keep U.S. troops in the country, but it's well-established that behind closed doors, he was interested in a substantial U.S. presence. The Obama administration, in fact, doesn't even really deny it: For Dexter Filkins's New Yorker story, deputy national-security adviser Ben Rhodes didn't dispute this issue, he just argued that a U.S. troop presence wouldn't have been a panacea."

www.nationalreview.com

"The commanders told me that Maliki, too, said that he wanted to keep troops in Iraq."

www.newyorker.com

There are more stories as to WHY Malaki didn't want 2K or 3K troops instead of 20K or so, but the main theme goes like this one.

#63 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-09-05 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, keep in mind that wasn't a decision made by me," Obama said. "That was a decision made by the Iraqi government."

Right...that's what he said...and we know his words are gospel, right? Can we maybe consider this one of those lies by omission?

#64 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-09-05 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Read the National Review link. Seems like a lot of assumption on the part of the writer, such as "but it's well-established that behind closed doors, he was interested in a substantial U.S. presence." Behind closed doors?

Can we maybe consider this one of those lies by omission?

Of course it can be. Danni thinks he tried to extend the mission just to pacify the Right in America. The truth is we don't know and never will know the whys and hows of us coming home from Iraq. We do know Obama did try to extend the mission and it was over immunity that we came home, not an Obama campaign promise.

#65 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-05 01:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

You realize that you are saying either: Obama is so weak that he could not strike a deal with a government that we basically own. We maintained their security. We fund their infrastructure. Our guy were the ones that rebuilt the roads, power plants, schools.

Or he lied when he said he tried.

The rest of us are giving him a bit more credit in that he got what he wanted and he did it in a way to give himself political cover. Only it back fired on him.

So you choice: Weak and incompetent, or a liar, or a politician that screwed up with a bad decision based on politics.

#66 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-05 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

So you choice: Weak and incompetent, or a liar, or a politician that screwed up with a bad decision based on politics

Why choose? All those apply. He is a weak and imcompetent President due to his use of lies and screw ups based on bad decisions.

#67 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-05 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#67 Remember when Obama said we need to make ISIS a manageable problem? Today he is saying the only option is destruction, and a "strong ground game"

weaselzippers.us

#68 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-05 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why aren't the jingoists champing at the bit to go kick some Haji ass, like they were when Bush was President?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-09-05 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

And now the jingoists are Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz. Ironic.

#70 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-09-05 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why aren't the jingoists champing at the bit to go kick some Haji ass, like they were when Bush was President?"

because they are fatigued with the entire Middle East, terrorist hunting escapade that's been going on since 2001?

are you suggesting it's only because a democrat is in the WH? that if Mitt were president they'd be "chomping at the bit to kick some Haji ass"?

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2014-09-05 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

We should first secure the Kurd territory.. That would give us a large base to operate from. Put the divisions in there and retake the dam and push ISIS out of that area.

Let the rest of IRAQ fight it out.

If ISIS starts winning kick thier ass...if it starts losing sit back and let the Iraqi army fight it.

Let them bleed and kill each other while we protect the Kurds and the north.

#72 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-09-05 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

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