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Wednesday, September 03, 2014

Redneck reality patriarch Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty was asked on the Fox News Hannity program Tuesday for his opinion on the Islamic extremist group ISIS currently in control of parts of Iraq and Syria. "In this case you have to convert them, which I think would be next to impossible, I'm not giving up on them, I'm just saying convert them or kill them. One or the other," Robertson told host Sean Hannity. Robertson said we probably need to deal with ISIS "way more harshly," but added, "I'd much rather have a Bible study with all of them and show them the error of their ways and point them to Jesus Christ."

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I'm pretty sure that's ISIS's grand strategy.

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Why is this hobo looking, Osama Bin laden bearded, marbled mouthed, in need of some hygiene tips terrorist Taliban lookalike on American TV?

It's a sad sight when your first language needs to be subtitled.

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-09-03 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

I certainly hope this brilliant plan is communicated to the WH immediately.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-03 09:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is it with big beards that make people go crazy and should we fear 2/3 of ZZ Top?

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Why is this hobo looking, Osama Bin laden bearded, marbled mouthed, in need of some hygiene tips terrorist Taliban lookalike on American TV?
It's a sad sight when your first language needs to be subtitled.

#1 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2014-09-03 09:37 AM | FLAG:

Because he's one of the most prominent faces of a major religious demographic in this country, which is also central to one of America's major political parties, and has a large, well-funded family becoming active in politics.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-09-03 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

#2 It would be the first plan the White House had seen. Maybe they can use it as a template.

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-09-03 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Emulating the exact tactics of ISIS, Robertson reveals the similarity between extremist Christians and Muslims. If the world could rid itself of religious extremists of all stripes it would be a better planet.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-03 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

#6 As soon as Phil starts beheading reporters from Al Jazeera America, you let me know.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-09-03 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

I watch Pawn Stars. I watch Storage Wars. I watch almost all of that crap, so I tried Duck Dynasty and My G-d is that show unwatchable...and remember the crap I find watchable when I say that.

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#7 According to his own words, if Phil could get away with it he would kill them all.

#9 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-09-03 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Actually, he said "You either have to convert them, which I think is almost impossible. I'm not giving up on them, but I'm saying convert them or kill them."

He didn't HE would do it (in fact, he used the term "you") and he didn't apply any conditions such as "if Phil could get away with it".

#10 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-09-03 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

To be fair to Phil, this is a We're Nutty Daily story, so it is quite possible he never said anything on the subject.

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

His statement is a prime example of the law of excluded middle. When it all boils down, there are only two outcomes to the situation if someone other than ISIS/ISIL is going to prevail.

Either those individuals in ISIS/ISIL convert (change their mindset from the ISIS/ISIL mindset to something far less murderous) or they are killed by out external force which seeks to punish them for their murderous behavior.

If they do not change their murderous ways, nothing is going to change until they are in complete control. If some external force does not want them to come into complete control they will have to kill them, if they do not change their murderous ways.

Now, how he stated it was poorly thought out.

#12 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-03 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"He didn't HE would do it"

I am assuming the above gibberish is being offered up as an out. Looks like his fans also need to be subtitled as well.

Unfortunately it's already been established that the supposed "personally responsible" do not wait for others to do things.

So either he is just another "conservative" ------ who expects everyone else do their dirty work, or he is just another "conservative" ------ who is a habitual opportunistic liar that only pretend to have values and convictions.

One thing is for sure though ------- he looks and sounds like a dirty bum.

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-09-03 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#1 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

The funny thing is he's probably far smarter and more educated than you are.

#14 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-03 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#14 I've seen the show and concluded that he is not.

#15 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-09-03 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#14 I've seen the show and concluded that he is not.

#15 | POSTED BY DEADSPIN AT 2014-09-03 11:32 AM

All you can tell from the show is that the fans are not smart.

Truth is, there are about 157 hours in a week and they only show us about 10 minutes of each character on the show, so the editors can make anyone seem anyway they want.

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#14 He has a Masters Degree in education and had the skills to play professional football in the NFL.

The show is a comedy show, for the most part, thus the way things are portrayed on the episodes. I cannot manage to watch a full episode. It is, sadly, mind numbing.

#17 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-03 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

When I said "get away with it" my point is that this "religious" man is more than happy to have the members of ISIS executed as an option, if they won't convert to his religion. How very christian of him.

#18 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-09-03 11:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

#18 I doubt he was talking about converting them to his religion. It seems he was more talking about converting them from their current murderous ideology into something, anything, that is not a murderous ideology like that of ISIS/ISIL.

#19 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-03 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

It seems he was more talking about converting them from their current murderous ideology into something, anything, that is not a murderous ideology like that of ISIS/ISIL.

#19 | POSTED BY HEURISTICGRATIS

I believe that is a stretch. When a deeply religious person speaks of "converting" someone, they pretty much are speaking of to their faith.

#20 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

My evidence to support my post #20 is more of his quotes:

"They are prisoners of sin. Second Timothy 2: The Bible says they've been taken captive by Satan to do his will."

#21 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

" "I'm not giving up on them, but I'm saying convert them or kill them.""

It's hard to tell Phil from a member of Al Queda these days.

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2014-09-03 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

To be fair to Phil, this is a We're Nutty Daily story, so it is quite possible he never said anything on the subject.

#11 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-09-03 11:01 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

www.washingtonpost.com

Who else but Hannity would entertain the idea this buffoon has anything relevant to add to the world?

#23 | Posted by 726 at 2014-09-03 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"All you can tell from the show is that the fans are not smart."

Not from the show, silly. From the fans themselves.

But I like how a radical "Christian" that looks like a bummed out al-Qaida member is lecturing radical "Muslims" as if out radicalizing the radicals is a viable solution to anything.

Remember the proverb:
IF ALL YOUR FRIENDS JUMPED OFF A CLIFF

Ironic that a so called "Christian" point man would fail to avoid this moral pitfall.
Perhaps he doesn't even pay attention to himself.

#24 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-09-03 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does Sean Hannity not realize that asking a reality show clown about serious political subjects like ISIS makes his show look foolish?

I look forward to an upcoming Hannity where the Fat N' Furious hot rod mechanics talk about quantitative easing.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-03 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I liked the one where Hannity asked Ted Nugent about child care.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-09-03 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hannity cares about one thing: Hannity.

Right now his name is being used on liberal websites and radio shows all over America and he will get some of them to tune in later today to see what crazy thing he will do next and hope they can be the first to blog about it tomorrow.

#27 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-03 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does Sean Hannity not realize that asking a reality show clown about serious political subjects like ISIS makes his show look foolish?

His show already is foolish.

I don't see how this damages his brand any further.

He was bumped out of his time slot for a reason.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-09-03 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pat is just a cowardly version of ISIS/ISIL.
He, like many others, shares the extreme beliefs of ISIS/ISIL but hasn't acted on it.

#29 | Posted by bored at 2014-09-03 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hannity is the same crap every night. He's desperate for ratings b/c the next time he loses a time slot it will be b/c he fired.

#30 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-03 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Somebody doesn't know what or who they are talking about.

#31 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-03 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Phil is genuinely a pretty decent guy. He's educated and artculate when he wants to be. But the truth is that he really does not give a damn about what people think of him personally. He does care about the future of the country and what is going to happen to our children. Everyone who has a belief thinks they are right and that others are wrong. Including Athiests. Having sat through a couple of his speeches/sermons, I have not found him to be all that conservative compared to most. He believes what he believes and if the next guy doesn't, oh well. But of course he must be mocked and attacked like all who don't agree whole heartedly with Valerie Jarrett's America.

#32 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-09-03 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20 and #21 I don't think that holds, unless you buy that Phil thinks anyone who is not a "christian" should be converted or killed.

When we are dealing with ISIS/ISIL there is a very specific context, they are part of an extremely murderous ideology which seeks to dominate the globe through force and death. As long as they hold to that, and they remain alive, there will always be a problem in the world.

The law of excluded middle leaves only two options. If a world is to be absent of their murderous ideology, they must either be converted out of that murderous ideology (into any non murderous ideology) or be killed. Otherwise they will continue their killing of everyone else who opposes them.

So, if you want a world absent of ISIS/ISIL, they must be converted from their ideology, or killed. Those are the only two ultimate options.

#33 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-03 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Phil is genuinely a pretty decent guy.

If you're straight and you agree with his religious views.

#34 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-03 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think you can treat people "decent" even if you have different beliefs than others. I first saw the show b/c my kids liked it. I've never seen him treat others with nothing but respect. After about 5 episodes you realize they are all the same.

#35 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-03 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christianity: "Religion of peace"

#36 | Posted by dibblda at 2014-09-03 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 I'm not an avid fan of Phil, but I think you and Abby are a little confused if you can't see the difference between Phil and ISIS.

There is another little bit of context worth mentioning for Robertson's remarks: his idea, to "either convert them or kill them," is exactly the thing that the Islamic State is doing to the persecuted religious minorities fleeing the territory the brutal extremist group now controls.

ISIS/ISIL holds that view toward EVERY human being on the planet. Killing innocent people who have not necessarily killed anyone to deserve death at human hands.

Phil is claiming that ISIS needs to be converted or killed, as that is the only way to have a safe world when it comes to ISIS. They abandon their murderous ideology or they are killed. Notice though, who is being killed in this scenario, those individuals who unlawfully killed innocent individuals. Phil does not seem to advocate the whole human population should face two choices of convert from your ideology or be killed, by the hand of external human forces. Only ISIS due to their murderous ideology.

What other options are there to have a safe world, beside ISIS members converting out of their murderous ideology or being killed, if those individuals are going to freely walk the streets of the world in their current murderous ideology?

#37 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-03 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, you libs can throw rocks at someones opinion, but do YOU have a viable solution to the ISIL problem?

What will a dithering lib president do about a Caliphat forming under his watch? Nothing?

If, and when we elect a strong leader who goes after ISIL before they start killing libs here in America, the left will oppose him at every turn (if he is a Repub), and praise him/her to the highest if he/she is a Dem.

#38 | Posted by Marty at 2014-09-03 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Give Polly Phil a cracker for parroting the ISIS line.

#39 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-09-03 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liar

#40 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-09-03 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is most funny about the Robertsons and a lot of the other "wood ticks" I know is none of them realize just how much they like the radical Islamists they all hate and who's looks they often comment on.

#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-09-03 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#41,

Wrong. While many, if not most, faiths in the world have some sort of violence in their history, they have evolved. Everyone has an opinion. Now it seems that only Muslims and liberals don't believe in allowing different opinions without being beheaded or otherwise destroyed.

#42 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-09-03 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#42 | POSTED BY BOGEY1355

Your partisan hatred for the left influences you to conflate liberals with not only Muslim extremists, but violent, murdering Muslim extremists?

On what basis other than hyperbole?

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-09-03 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I first saw the show b/c my kids liked it. I've never seen him treat others with nothing but respect.

What you see on the show is just a small part of who he is, and is likely manipulated by the producers through selective editing.

You see more of who he is when he preaches against gays.

#44 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-03 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, you libs can throw rocks at someones opinion, but do YOU have a viable solution to the ISIL problem?

So what's your solution?

#45 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-03 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't hate liberals or Muslims. I do believe that both believe in controlling the masses and silencing opposing viewpoints. Muslim EXTREMISTS just do it by killing people.

#46 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-09-03 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Comparing liberals to people who kill people is pretty overwrought. The only way we try to kill is through healthy food and exercise.

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-03 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Libs can make "pretend" that Phil Robertson is no different than ISIS and pontificate on how horrible America is....among their deluded selves. Meanwhile, actual functioning members of society, including the O'bumster himself, will do the dirty work that Phil discusses and eliminate these pieces of garbage from existence.

You can send your thank you's at a later date.

#48 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-09-03 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

What will a dithering lib president do about a Caliphat forming under his watch? Nothing?

How would you know if he did? You don't even live in this reality.

And he is already doing something.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-09-03 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Comparing liberals to people who kill
people is pretty overwrought. The only
way we try to kill is through healthy
food and exercise.
#47| POSTED BY RCADE

Here I thought Vice President Biden was pretty liberal, but I guess not because he advocated killing them today

"We will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice because hell is where they will reside," Vice President Biden.

I just can't seemed to get worked up over what either man said, essentially straighten up or die.

#50 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-03 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here a question:

Can ISIS' atrocities be stopped without them being converted from their religious views or without killing them?

#51 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-09-03 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51| POSTED BY PIRATE

Most of us know the answer...some of us can't accept the answer.

#52 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-03 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Emulating the exact tactics of ISIS, Robertson reveals the similarity between extremist Christians and Muslims. If the world could rid itself of religious extremists of all stripes it would be a better planet.

----

How do you get rid of religious extremists besides converting or death?

#53 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-09-03 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

" I do believe that both believe in controlling the masses and silencing opposing viewpoints. "

I disagree, I believe that is something you like to pretend but actually you know better. The "conservative" community is the biggest bunch of posers I've ever seen.

#54 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-03 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44 Rcade: You see more of who he is when he preaches against gays.

From the bits I've heard of Phil's sermons/interviews, he says the Bible condemns homosexuality as sin. Most Christians would agree. He says the only solution to sin is salvation through Jesus. Almost all Christians would agree. He says he used to live a sinful life and speaks of how bad it was for himself and those around him. Most Christians would agree and view their own pre-conversion life in the same light.

Doesn't sound like Phil is a hater to me. Disclaimer: I've probably watched 2-4 total shows of DD, looks like those swamp rednecks are raking in the dough with every episode.

#55 | Posted by AKat at 2014-09-03 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Everyone can hate on him all they want, yet you damn well know he is right. If not go bake these peaceful muslims a pie and take it took them. See if they can be reasoned with.

#56 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-09-03 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

take it to them# stupid talk to text

#57 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-09-03 11:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

by Ragnar Redbeard Excerpt from: Might Is right


‘Love one another' you say is the supreme law, but what power made it so? -- Upon what rational authority does the Gospel of Love rest? -- Is it even possible to practice, and what would result from its universal application to active affairs? Why should I not hate mine enemies, and hunt them down like the wild beasts that they are? Again I ask, why? If I ‘love' them does that not place me at their mercy? Is it natural for enemies to

‘do good' unto each other and, what is ‘good'? Can the torn and bloody victim ‘love' the blood-splashed jaws that rend it limb from limb? Are we not all predatory animals by instinct? If humans ceased wholly from preying upon each other, could they continue to exist?


‘Love your enemies and do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you,' is the despicable philosophy of the spaniel that rolls upon its back, when kicked. Obey it, O! reader, and you and all your posterity to the tenth generation shall be irretrievably and literally damned. They shall be hewers of wood, and carriers of water, degenerates, Gibeonites. But hate your enemies with a whole heart, and if a man smite you on one cheek, smash him down; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law.

He who turns the ‘other cheek' is a cowardly dog -- a Christian dog.


Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom, with compound interest liberally added thereunto. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundredfold. Make yourself a Terror to your adversary and when he goeth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all the walks of life, and your spirit -- your IMMORTAL spirit -- shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and thews of your aggressive and unconquerable sons. After all, the true proof of manhood is a splendid progeny; and it is a scientific axiom that the timid animal transmits timidity to its descendents.


If men lived ‘like brothers' and had no powerful enemies (neighbors) to contend with and surpass, they would rapidly lose all their best qualities; like certain oceanic birds that lose the use of their wings, because they do not have to fly from pursuing beasts of prey. If all men had treated each other with brotherly love since the beginning, what would have been the result now? If there had been no wars, no rivalry, no competition, no kingship, no slavery, no survival of the Toughest, no racial extermination, truly what a festering ‘hell fenced in' this old globe would be?

#58 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-09-03 11:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most Christians would agree."

I'd love to see some data on that one. I know (personally) an awful lot of Christians, and almost none of them believe this. It depends to a great degree on what kind of Christians you talk to. Hell, even most of the Catholics I know (a smaller number) don't hold to that. I can't assert that you're wrong, but I can safely suggest that we'd need evidence to reach such a conclusion.

#59 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-09-03 11:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Me, personally, I'm prepared for either one."

Awesome. He and Chuck Norris and Ted Nugent can head right over there. Really, Mr. Robertson, you expect to fight some radical Islamists real soon? It's not that he's wrong that one must either change their beliefs or kill them (I'm for the latter, btw--not a big fan of killing, but what else do you do with people like this?), but that he just says such dumb things.

#60 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-09-03 11:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#60| POSTED BY PRAGMATIST

So the thought, which you share is fine, it's the expressing of the thought that you find objectionable?

#61 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-04 12:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

The irony is this is nicer than the current US plan to just kill them.

#62 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Hmmmmmmmmmm let's see here. We invade a foreign land try to dictate to the Country's indigenous peoples how to run their Country. You have a guy here saying convert them or kill them. Doesn't that sound like what the Europeans did in this Country to the Native Americans?? I think so.

#63 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

And you've just wandered in to a paradox larry.

Should we stay out of other cultures no matter how horrible we find their actions or should we influence other cultures even if we damage them in ways we can't always image?

#64 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 01:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Should we stay out of other cultures no matter how horrible we find their actions or should we influence other cultures even if we damage them in ways we can't always image?

#64 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 01:16 AM | Reply | Flag

How about we concentrate on THIS country for awhile. We have enough to keep us VERY busy for the next 2 to 3 generations.

#65 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 01:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't that sound like what the
Europeans did in this Country to the
Native Americans?? I think so.
#63| POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

An inadvertent salient point, Larry. Perhaps these murderers of U.S. civilians will find out what the Indians already know.

#66 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-04 01:36 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Should we stay out of other cultures no
matter how horrible we find their
actions or should we influence other
cultures even if we damage them in
ways we can't always image?
#64| POSTED BY TOR

As long as their actions don't deprive American citizens of their rights , we should stay out of their affairs, if and once their actions deprive American citizens of their rights, they must be reminded that, that is a very unwise thing to do.

#67 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-04 01:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

LARRY is truly would LOVE to do that.

But I hate the idea of religious persecution, and the murder of innocents.

What's more Isis has made it clear they want to kill Americans.

#68 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 01:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"is" should be "I".

#69 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 01:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

LARRY is truly would LOVE to do that.

But I hate the idea of religious persecution, and the murder of innocents.

What's more Isis has made it clear they want to kill Americans.

#68 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 01:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

We can't fight the world. As far as their supposed desire to kill Americans. Isn't that the same exact excuse made to drum up support for the Iraq Invasion. It reminds me of THIS.

thinkexist.com

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

#70 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 02:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

An inadvertent salient point, Larry. Perhaps these murderers of U.S. civilians will find out what the Indians already know.

#66 | Posted by TXLIBERTARIAN at 2014-09-04 01:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Your point would be valid if they were killed on US soil. They went purposefully to a war zone and got themselves killed. Why Americans think they can go anywhere they like with impunity boggles my mind. If I went to Syria and lost My head because of it. I would have noone to blame but myself. Should the US go to war to avenge my death?? Absolutely not if I were a mere civilian. If I was killed because My country sent me there. Yes different story.

#71 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-09-04 02:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

But of course he must be mocked and attacked like all who don't agree whole heartedly with Valerie Jarrett's America.

You just couldn't let it go without a bit of Christian persecution complex creeping through, could you?

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2014-09-04 02:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

As long as their actions don't deprive American citizens of their rights , we should stay out of their affairs, if and once their actions deprive American citizens of their rights, they must be reminded that, that is a very unwise thing to do.

You know, it's funny. Reading this and a few other poster's contributions to this thread I'd expect more empathy on the DR towards the Palestinians. At least a little more acknowledgement that both sides are [...]ting on each other.

And yet why do I doubt most (all?) of you righties would extend the views you appear to hold on no messing with 'Muricans! to anyone else in the world...well...anyone else who's brown that is.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2014-09-04 02:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We can't fight the world."

We're not trying to.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2014-09-04 02:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

if isis didn't exist it would be necessary to invent them.

#75 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-09-04 02:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

In a broken clock striking noon sort of way, I actually like what he said. Not because of any deeply held religious convictions, but to give them taste of their own medicine. I think ISIS would be forced to rethink the "convert or die" strategy if they received a taste of their own poison en masse. With that being said, I wouldn't be extremely vocal or rah-rah about it, but it would make me smile inside.

#76 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-09-04 04:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

In a broken clock striking noon sort of way, I actually like what he said. Not because of any deeply held religious convictions, but to give them taste of their own medicine. I think ISIS would be forced to rethink the "convert or die" strategy if they received a taste of their own poison en masse. With that being said, I wouldn't be extremely vocal or rah-rah about it, but it would make me smile inside.

#77 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-09-04 04:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Grrrr, sorry for the dub.

#78 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-09-04 04:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Dear Ann COulter:
we finally found a man in the US that you would consider attractive and vice-versa.

#79 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-09-04 05:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

How about we concentrate on THIS country for awhile.

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It sounds like it's a "pay me now or pay me later" situation. Here's what a former ISIS member said.

The main and principle goal of the Islamic State that they tell their new members is to establish an Islamic state that will encompass the Arab world," the man said in Turkey. "And after that, we go to other countries."

www.cnn.com

Imagine how it would be dealing with them if they got that large.

#80 | Posted by Pirate at 2014-09-04 08:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

'Convert them, or kill them' is already policy.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-09-04 08:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

#47

Comparing liberals to people who kill people is pretty overwrought. The only way we try to kill is through healthy food and exercise.

I agree it is overwrought, just like the comparisons applied to most other groups (conservatives, democrats, republicans, Phil Robertson, etc.), but you can't forget that liberals also kill through abortion and euthanasia. They also threaten death on various people who don't follow their ideology.

Here again we see it is a human problem more so than some specific group problem.

#82 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-04 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

#73 ISIS/ISIL is also a threat to non ISIS/ISIL Arabs, Palestinians, Israeli's, Indians (real Indians, the people from India), etc.

Lest you forget.

#83 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-04 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

'Convert them, or kill them' is already policy.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner

Convert them has certainly been Obama's Policy...

#84 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-09-04 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

61: Yes, he's not proposing a logical argument. He's talking smack. And the "I'm prepared" was just stupid. What, he thinks the radical Islamists are gonna come take his duck calls? Invade his land?

"but you can't forget that liberals also kill through abortion and euthanasia"

Woohoo! Look, someone who doesn't understand either abortion or euthanasia! Snark aside, think it through. What do you mean we [liberals] kill through euthanasia? I have seen no serious, non-fringe liberals suggesting that we kill off people who are terminally ill or what have you. Are you referring to the Death with Dignity movement? That's based on the person's choice, not on someone coming along to "kill" them.

#85 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-09-04 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

'Convert them, or kill them' is already policy.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner

Convert them has certainly been Obama's Policy...

#84 | Posted by wisgod

By "Covert them, or kill them" you mean we have to convince them that the Democratic process is better than the Beheading process as a way to rule a country and that if they don't stop beheading everyone that we will be forced to kill them to stop them?

Being a reasonable person I am sure that is what you meant.

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-09-04 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#86 That is even what Phil Roberston meant. In fact, those are the only two real options. They are converted, or they will ultimately need to be killed by someone.

#87 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-04 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, you libs can throw rocks at someones opinion, but do YOU have a viable solution to the ISIL problem?
What will a dithering lib president do about a Caliphat forming under his watch? Nothing?
If, and when we elect a strong leader who goes after ISIL before they start killing libs here in America, the left will oppose him at every turn (if he is a Repub), and praise him/her to the highest if he/she is a Dem.

#38 | POSTED BY MARTY AT 2014-09-03 04:12 PM | FLAG:

Unless this supposed "caliphate" is on our soil, it's not our problem. Middle Eastern savages can do whatever they want in the Middle East, and when we're the invasive occupying force over there, we should be no more surprised at our citizens and soldiers getting killed there than they should be at theirs dying if they mount an attack on our beaches.

The only poster here I'm in complete agreement with is Larry. We have more than enough to occupy our attention fixing in our own nation.

Now, to the actual thread subject? How come we can't just send all our religious nuts over to fight their religious nuts and just come in for the oil when all the backwards superstitious bigots have done the world a favor and mutually destructed?

#88 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-09-04 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I'm sure that's what Jesus would have done, whether real or imagined.

#89 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-09-04 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least Robertson would give them a chance to convert, Obama just launches drones from 5k feet.

#90 | Posted by homerj at 2014-09-04 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The intolerant will outlast the tolerant.

#91 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-09-04 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

sorry, but i need to hear him that by "convert" he means religion.
he gets the bod until then.

#92 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-09-05 05:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

#85 Someone has to pull the plug, as they say, or push the plunger. It may not be murder, based on an individuals subjective justification mechanisms, but it sure is killing.

If you assist in ending the life of another individual, you have taken part in killing them.

Simple as that.

#93 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-05 08:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

#92 What is the "bod"? I don't think he means religion, necessarily, either converting to or from.

#94 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-09-05 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

So what's your solution?

#45 | Posted by rcade

It doesn't matter what I think the solution should be, it matters what Obama thinks the solution should be, and so far he does not think at all.

...
And he is already doing something.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy

HAHA, that is funny. Making a speach about how we do not have a strategy is doing something in your world? Wow.

#95 | Posted by Marty at 2014-09-05 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It doesn't matter what I think the solution should be, it matters what Obama thinks the solution should be, and so far he does not think at all."

Another Republican in favor of just doing "stupid stuff." No real ideas, no solutions, just attacks on Obama for taking his time and considering all the options instead of just doing "stupid stuff" that just makes things worse. We had the "stupid stuff" President, we're still paying for his "stupid stuff."

#96 | Posted by danni at 2014-09-05 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Funny. The 'founding fathers' didn't even bother to try to convert the redcoats. They just killed them. And if the USSA was invaded, its people murdered, tortured, etc, I'd expect that people here who were actually willing to fight back wouldn't bother to try to convert the occupiers either.

Fascist imperialism is its own reward.

You reap what you sow.

#97 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-09-05 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#97

Um, so, the FFs were Founding Fascists?

I see what this poster's problem with America has been all along.

He's a Tory.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2014-09-05 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

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