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Monday, September 01, 2014

Police officers in Ferguson, Missouri, have begun wearing body cameras after weeks of unrest over the shooting death of an unarmed black teen by a white officer, officials said on Sunday. "They are really enjoying them," Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said of the cameras to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. A St. Louis County grand jury has begun hearing evidence about Michael Brown's killing by officer Darren Wilson and the U.S. Justice Department has opened its own investigation. Witnesses claim Brown held up his hands and was surrendering when he was shot, while police said the teen had struggled with the officer.

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It should stop all this he said, she said crap.

I would think a lot in the black community wouldn't want this, as it would have shown an aggressive, 300lb man coming at police...The camera is going to keep everyone honest.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2014-09-01 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would think a lot in the black community wouldn't want this

That's because you presume that the black community is always at fault whenever police use force during their encounters.

As usual, you would be wrong. No one wants anything but for real justice and the proper execution of laws by both citizens and police officers.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-09-01 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

This is a good start, but I would like to see some system in place where the feeds are kept stored outside of the police department. It does the public no good if we need the police to access the footage of them doing wrong.

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-09-01 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#3 - good point

#4 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-09-01 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cameras are only a band-aid® to the larger problem. Let me take a step back and explain...

I have a lot of trees in my yard. When storms come through, I need to call a tree person to clear the trees that have fallen in my yard, on the road and elsewhere. Just after a storm, it is nearly impossible to get the attention of any tree persons, they are far too busy. The key is to use the tree person on a regular basis to do trimming work, pest control, etc. In other words, be a regular customer, build an ongoing business relationship with the tree person. When you are a regular customer of the tree person, he will take your call and respond when there has been a storm.

Back to Ferguson...

The fundamental problem that I see in Ferguson is that the police force had no ongoing relationship with the people of Ferguson, or if there was one, it was not a positive one. When a group of people started causing trouble, there was no community support for the police because the community did not know the police.

The police in Ferguson need to reach out to the community to build an ongoing relationship with the community. It is not an easy thing to do, and to be honest, I doubt if the current police force is capable of doing it.

The police can build only an adversarial relationship while a problem is occurring, as we all saw in Ferguson. The time for the police to build a positive relationship with the community is before there is a problem.

Wearable cameras are not some magical balm to soothe the wounds.

The Ferguson police need to work with the community to Protect And Serve.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2014-09-01 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Amazing post Larry. I'd flag you newsworthy if I weren't reading it on my phone.

#6 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-09-01 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

... it would have shown an aggressive, 300lb man coming at police...

And you know this how, exactly?

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-01 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you know this how, exactly?
#7 | Posted by rcade

Maybe it's in the police report?
Is there a police report yet?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-09-01 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

He knows that bc Michael brown was a black male and beta males are terrified of black men. In an even 1on 1 fight mike brown would have destroyed Darren Wilson. Much like trayvon supposedly did Zimmerman. Grown ass white men scared of unarmed black teens. Hence the NRA obsession.

#9 | Posted by The_U at 2014-09-01 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"... it would have shown an aggressive, 300lb man coming at police..."
"And you know this how, exactly?"

He doesn't know. It IS a plausible assumption based on the video of the just prior robbery (assault of store owner in the commission of a theft) of which Brown was a suspect. The non-injury the officer claimed damages his account of the incident, however, even if he was assaulted. (It really could be viewed as gang warfare.)

Police do need a better rapport with the Black (or "minority") community, in Ferguson and many cities across the US. Cameras might help, unless stored data is conveniently "lost."

#10 | Posted by kenx at 2014-09-01 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

It IS a plausible assumption ...

It's also plausible Brown surrendered and had his hands up, as several witnesses claim. We don't know.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2014-09-01 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Next up: hours and hours of video of Fruit of the Loom T's being worn on the job, courtesy of a bunch of cavemen who don't know which way is out...

#12 | Posted by catdog at 2014-09-01 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have the police ever gone on record with a report in this case as to what they claim occurred?

There needed to be a public statement by the police immediately after this event as to what they claim happened. Then there needed to be statements from witnesses as to what they saw happen. The two reports need reconciled and discrepancies noted. The Chief refused to make any statements in the aftermath to reporters on what they claim happened is what I saw on the news.

#13 | Posted by Robson at 2014-09-01 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a good start, but I would like to see some system in place where the feeds are kept stored outside of the police department. It does the public no good if we need the police to access the footage of them doing wrong.

#3 | POSTED BY KANREI

Maybe the IRS could look after the files.

#14 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-09-02 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would like to see some system in place where the feeds are kept stored outside of the police department.
#3 kanrei

Our state Highway Patrol officers have car cams that video to a locked box in the trunk. It cannot be accessed by the officer. A supervisor removes it at shifts end.
Several years ago a trooper shot and killed a man that attacked him with a knife. The supervisor and other independent witnesses removed that particular video from the box on the scene to secure and maintain it as evidence.

There needed to be a public statement by the police immediately after this event as to what they claim happened.
#13 Robson

A few months back a TV show aired that set up a "theft" of a camera. A man took the camera from another man's bag, then gave it to a woman, then they ran separate directions as the victem yelled at them. It was set up to be noticed by random witnesses.
They then collected the witnesses (about 12) and took statements as to what had happened.
There were many differences in details and sequence. Some of the details were startlingly different.
Some remembered the coat on the woman as red, another said dark gray.
Some remembered the camera was taken from a bag, another said ,"No, from his coat pocket".
In the end some changed their testimony from red to gray and from the bag to a pocket as well as other details.A concensus on the ID of the alledged criminals proved to be difficult
It was after all of this that the TV producers let the witnesses in on a secret. Two of the witnesses were plants by the producers to purposefully give false testimony. The fakes weren't even at the scene but the real witnesses didn't even notice that they hadn't been there.
There may be some differences between the actual show and what I am relating to you.
I can see why quickly released statements can be detrimental to the truth. The narrative of the Ferguson event has already changed several times.
And the constant drumbeat of "He had his hands up!" may prove to be true; or not; or a variation of the two.
Body cameras on police? I'm for it. I would sure hate to rely on witnesses to to tell what really happened.

#15 | Posted by Whizzo at 2014-09-02 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

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