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Friday, August 29, 2014

Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic: The latest example of abusive, atrocious police work posted to YouTube comes from St. Paul, Minnesota, where a black father, Chris Lollie, reportedly got off work at Cossetta, an upscale Italian eatery, walked to the downtown building that houses New Horizon Academy, where he was to to pick up his kids, and killed the 10 minutes until they'd be released sitting down on a chair in a skyway between buildings. So a man waiting to pick up his kids from school sits for a few minutes in a seating area where he reasonably thinks he has a right to be, private security asks him to leave, he thinks they're harassing him because he's black, and they call police. This is where the video begins, and that conflict is already over. The man is walking away from it and toward the nearby school where he is to pick up his kids. So problem solved? It could have been. Instead ...

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This is truly getting ridiculous. And for those who think too much is made of situations like this need to be reminded there are many, many more every single day that don't receive publicity or ever see the light of day particularly when there is no video recording or eyewitnesses to support the victim's side of the story.

The City Pages explains what happened after the arrest. "The man was charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct, and obstructing the legal process," they write, "but those charges were later dropped. On Twitter, the St. Paul PD's public information officers said no formal complaint has been filed in connection with the incident." A police administrator who sees that video, which Lollie's attorney brought to court, should not require a formal complaint from the victim to discipline the officers involved and acknowledge that they engaged in inept policing!

Yet the police department–which held on to Lollie's phone, with the video on it, for 6 months–is defending the officers. "At one point, the officers believed he might either run or fight with them. It was then that officers took steps to take him into custody," a spokesperson said. "He pulled away and resisted officers' lawful orders. They then used the force necessary to safely take him into custody." Said the designated public employee union representative: "These three cops in the skyway, you couldn't get nicer individuals. This guy was acting like a jerk."


Sorry massa, I be won't lettin' it happen again.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-29 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Al Sharpton and Benjamin Crump were to get involved in seeking justice for this man, they'd be accused of race baiting.

But how can you not want justice for him after watching that?

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

But how can you not want justice for him after watching that?

#2 | POSTED BY RCADE

That was pretty bad.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-29 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Simple, he didn't bow down and worship the commands of the Police State. Many here will agree, if you don't immediately comply with any order, no matter how unreasonable and uncalled for, by a cop, it's your fault what happens next.
Funny how these same people are usually the ones constantly decrying the abuse of Government power.

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2014-08-29 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

this is very very sickening.

#5 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-29 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Edward Lawson.

#6 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-29 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in the United States that authorize police to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not. MN is not one of those states. So Tony way to fight the man, man.

Hey chick cops what can you do right?

Man we just fell about the place
If that chick wants to know, forget her*

* apologies to Thin Lizzie**

** whose lead singer Phil Lynott was African-British***

*** what a stupid ---- hyphen. African-British. For God's sake!

#7 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

From Wiki:

States with "stop and identify" laws
Alabama Ala. Code §15-5-30
Arizona Ari. Rev. Stat. Title 13, §2412 (enacted 2005) & Title 28, §1595
Arkansas Ark. Code Ann. [1]§ 5-71-213 - Loitering
Colorado Colo. Rev. Stat. §16-3-103(1)
Delaware Del. Code Ann., Title 11, §§1902, 1321(6)
Florida Fla. Stat. §901.151 (Stop and Frisk Law); §856.021(2) (loitering and prowling)
Georgia Ga. Code Ann. §16-11-36(b) (loitering)
Illinois Ill. Comp. Stat., ch. 725, §5/107-14
Indiana Indiana Code §34-28-5-3.5
Kansas Kan. Stat. Ann. §22-2402(1)
Louisiana La. Code Crim. Proc. Ann., Art. 215.1(A); La. Rev. Stat. 14:108(B)(1)(c)
Missouri (Kansas City Only) Mo. Rev. Stat. §84.710(2)
Montana Mont. Code Ann. §46-5-401
Nebraska Neb. Rev. Stat. §29-829
Nevada Nev. Rev. Stat. §171.123
New Hampshire N.H. Rev. Stat. Ann. §594:2, §644:6
New Mexico N.M. Stat. Ann. §30-22-3
New York N.Y. Crim. Proc. Law §140.50
North Dakota N.D. Cent. Code §29-29-21 (PDF)
Ohio Ohio Rev. Code §2921.29 (enacted 2006)
Rhode Island R.I. Gen. Laws §12-7-1
Utah Utah Code Ann. §77-7-15
Vermont Vt. Stat. Ann., Title 24, §1983

#8 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you are on someones private property and they ask you to leave, why do you try and fight them?

Stupid decision [...]

#9 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-29 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Arcade if a cops stops you in Florida and asks you your name please don't cop an attitude, see above post. Stay polite and calm as your righteous anger seethes and just answer the damn cop's question. Your friends and family will thank you.

#10 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you are on someones private property and they ask you to leave, why do you try and fight them?

He wasn't on private property. He was on a skyway -- a public covered elevated sidewalk that connects downtown buildings.

If you were on public property and you knew it was public property, and some security guards ordered you to leave it, would you stand up to them?

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stay polite and calm as your righteous anger seethes and just answer the damn cop's question.

I find it extremely weird when right wingers encourage people to be sheep when they are questioned by government authority figures.

You talk all the time about hating government. Here's a video of a government official abusing his authority against an innocent person who was breaking no laws.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Stupid decision by someone from a failed culture.

#9 | Posted by RobThomas

He is an American from America.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-29 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

You talk all the time about hating government. Here's a video of a government official abusing his authority against an innocent person who was breaking no laws.

Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 06:20 PM | Reply

They thoroughly LOVE authoritarian figures. They just hate the politicians that empower them.

#15 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-29 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You talk all the time about hating government."

Proof?

#16 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here's a video of a government official abusing his* authority against an innocent person who was breaking no laws.

#13 | POSTED BY RCADE

You mean her authority, right?

#17 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I find it extremely weird when right wingers encourage people to be sheep when they are questioned by government authority figures."

Again, please see post #8.

#18 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard to read about police powers from someone whose user name is one of the most brutal police powers to have existed in this hemisphere.

#19 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-29 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

You mean her authority, right?

No. The cop I'm referring to is the second one, who escalates the confrontation, tells him he's going to jail but won't say why and tases him. The female cop seemed content to let him walk to pick up his kids while she spoke to him.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The female cop initiated it. I would guess that the 2nd big white male cop probably got agitated at Lollie's attitude and felt (right or wrong) he was coming to her rescue, which is one reason front line female combat troops are cited as a potential problem, (right or wrong) that the males soldiers would feel the need to protect them.

#21 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"The female cop seemed content to let him walk"

Yes particularly at the 1:47 mark.

#22 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would guess that the 2nd big white male cop probably got agitated at Lollie's attitude ...

This situation is so easy it makes me wonder whether any of those cops belongs in that job. They made a minor disagreement into a major confrontation. All she had to do was accompany him to the day care to see that he really had kids there, or talk to a day care worker.

I read somewhere the female cop is no longer on the force. A pity the male cop hasn't joined her.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

This situation is so easy it makes me wonder whether any of those cops belongs in that job. They made a minor disagreement into a major confrontation.

#23 | POSTED BY RCADE

See, something we agree on.

#24 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

We have allowed the "government" to get completely out of control and this is one of the results. These cops were looking for trouble and it's a shame they did not get their # handed to them.

Police will only get away with this behavior until they are stopped cold.

#25 | Posted by Wilheim at 2014-08-29 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That's some repugnant feces right there.

#26 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-29 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well if I can't blame Bush, I'll blame security guard.

He first told guy to move and called cops when he didn't. Guy may have have been on private property, not public.

#28 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-08-29 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guy may have have been on private property, not public.

The skyways are public. Since the cops dropped all the charges against him, it would be safe to assume he never was on private property.

Incidentally, the place he was harassed by security is near First National Bank. Here's what someone wrote on Trip Advisor in 2011:

"Skyway is great except for First National Bank

"All the security guards you encounter in the skyway are polite and friendly except for First National Bank. I dont know why, but they are rude and bossy. We got kicked out of the lobby during the Winter Carnival Parade, and on another occasion shouted at when we tried to take pictures. They put up snotty signs for the public, ("tenant access only" - not necessary) They walk around the block like theyre looking for terrorists. I feel sorry for the businesses in that building. They are getting a bad reputation because of this. So enjoy the skyway, just avoid First National Bank!"

www.tripadvisor.com

#29 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

The part where the cops keep the guy's phone for six months is egregious in its own right. How is that permissible? Why is nobody being charged with theft? Okay that last question is a bit of a joke but the first one is not.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-29 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He pulled away and resisted officers' lawful orders. They then used the force necessary to safely take him into custody."

No, he refused to comply with the extralegal request of the female officer who continued to badger him after he told her where he was going and what he was doing at this particular place at this particular time. And they had no right to arrest him whatsoever. They abused their considerable power under the law and should have been subject to suspension without pay once the prosecutor saw and listened to the video recording.

The police need to obey and understand the law just as much as the public does, and they should be forced to pay dearly when they unjustly detain, harass and arrest citizens who have broken no law but to object to these officer's unwarranted and unnecessary treatment. Frankly, the security guard-who-called-the-police's employer should be sued for violating the man's civil rights for having asked him to leave a public place if it can be presumed by security tapes that the request was only made because he was black (ie. showing other non-black people sitting in the seat without being asked to immediately leave or have the police called on them).

#31 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-29 08:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#31

In a word, this.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-29 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

hey, they had a fractured eye socket....i read that somewhere

#33 | Posted by drewinnj at 2014-08-29 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Absolutely disgusting what's going on in this country. For every one incident we hear about, another thousand go without national coverage. Is there any way back?

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-30 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

That was ridiculous. There was no reason at all for that to happen. I hope that guy gets a huge settlement. I don't care how much he was dismissive to the police or how much he argued with them. Even if it was the law for him to stop and talk to them, he told them where he was going and why. They had all they needed. They could have just watched and made sure he left as he said. That jerk who tazed him was just some arrogant, power hungry cop who wanted to arrest some guy.

Now, he could have, by being more polite, defused the situation, but the police should know better than to treat a law abiding citizen like a criminal.

#35 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-08-30 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is legal, I repeat, Afkabl2 style, LEGAL, to refuse to comply with an unlawful order.

This is Federal.

Cops need jail.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 01:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Now, he could have, by being more polite, defused the situation,

Regardless of whether or not that's true...

When the citizens are called on to defuse the cops, let's go ahead and recognize it's the cops who are the problem.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Hey Arcade if a cops stops you in Florida and asks you your name please don't cop an attitude, see above post. Stay polite and calm as your righteous anger seethes and just answer the damn cop's question. Your friends and family will thank you.

#10 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Soooo...what do their boots actually taste like?

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-30 05:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

I hope that guy gets a huge settlement.

I'd prefer d-bag cops like the second one taking a bat to the face instead.

Saves the tax payers the money for their stupidity.

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-30 05:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Fascism: the gift that keeps on giving.

#40 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-30 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

So the taxpayers and the owners of the building, the security guard company will be paying out a nice big fat settlement and that is good because only when they are forced to pay out enough dollars will they be smart enough to rid themselves of idiots like these police and guards.

#41 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-30 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Public domain?

www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us

Except for connections to public buildings and public parking facilities, most of the Skyway System has been privately developed, owned, and operated.

MN officers were called by private security guards on a man who was trespassing in a private area. The guards reported that the man had on repeated occasions refused to leave a private "employees only" area in the First National Bank Building.

Ah, the details. From a just a "guy" hanging out, waiting for his kids, to being ask to leave a privately owned area of First National Bank.

Funny stuff from liars.

The race baiter that posted this blog forgot to mention the details. As usual.

#42 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

MN officers were called by private security guards on a man who was trespassing in a private area.

There apparently is no such thing in the Skyway System if you bothered to actually read what was listed on your own link:

2.1 Location in the Public Right-of-Way

2.1.2 Except where crossing streets and alleys, skyway bridges and corridors shall be located within the property lines and shall not encroach over public right of way


The Skyway System is located in "the Public Right-of-Way." Instead of trying to justify illegality by the law enforcement and security forces involved, try and put yourself into the position of the victim. I've never seen such an open display of intentional bigotry as reeks from your racist posts and assertions. This is cut-and-dried regardless of race.

#43 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-30 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#43 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-08-30 04:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

MN officers were called by private security guards on a man who was trespassing in a private area. The guards reported that the man had on repeated occasions refused to leave a private "employees only" area in the First National Bank Building.

He wasn't in the public Skyway system. He was in a private area of a bank.

The "victim" decided he didn't want to leave and challenged the banks security firm to make him leave in order to make a point. His entire motive was to place the race victim. He said so in his statement. So security guards called the police. Who as a matter of protocol ask for the 'victims' name.

This guy make a racial issue out of a trespassing issue. And you promote him as a 'victim' of racism. Which is what race baiters do. The truth hurts.

#44 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

2.1.2 Except where crossing streets and alleys, skyway bridges and corridors shall be located within the property lines and shall not encroach over public right of way

The Skyway System is located in "the Public Right-of-Way."

#43 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-08-30 04:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG

So the Skyway System is not to encroach the "public right of Way" because it is the "public right of way". You seem mentally challenged on areas other than race baiting.

The Skyway system is a series of bridges that connect public and private buildings.

#45 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

The man was charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct and obstruction of the legal process. Those charges were dismissed in July.

Why, Mr. Private Property? Why do prosecutors dismiss charges when the suspect is obviously guilty as you ignorantly imply against all evidence?
Lollie told the City Pages that the department's version of the story is "all false."

"They lied," he said.www.huffingtonpost.com


And so do you.

Nuff said.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-30 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Why, Mr. Private Property? Why do prosecutors dismiss charges when the suspect is obviously guilty as you ignorantly imply against all evidence?
Lollie told the City Pages that the department's version of the story is "all false."
"They lied," he said.www.huffingtonpost.com

And so do you.
Nuff said.

#46 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-08-30 05:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Sure they lied. That is why a private firm called the police.

Why would a bank press charges against someone when all they asked him to do was leave an area they had reserved for the privileges of their employees. Nothing to be gained for the bank. The guy made a fool of himself which is now published on the net for all to see. The issue was not them asking him to leave. It was his reaction. He created the entire scene. This has nothing to do with race, but is all due to his lack of respect for a property owner. One look at his mug shot and you can see he is a want to be 'rebel'. Unemployable.

#47 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

The issue was not them asking him to leave.
#47 | Posted by RobThomas

That's exactly the issue.
The police have no right to ask him to leave.
I've noticed that particularly among those farthest to the right, freedom is a difficult concept to grasp.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 05:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

This has nothing to do with race, but is all due to his lack of respect for a property owner.
#47 | Posted by RobThomas

Again, you have it backwards. It's all due to the the lack of respect showed to him by the police.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 05:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Can anyone provide a picture of the area where this guy was sitting?

I think it would help to see exactly where he was so we can eliminate any speculation.

Anyway,it looks like this guy went off the emotional deep end when the cops showed up.

From my experience, when the cops show you give them a little respect, and let them say their thing. If you run your mouth full time it is when things get dicey with them.

rwd

#50 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-30 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

#50 | POSTED BY RIGHTWINGDON

Guess it all depends on how often it happens.

#51 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-30 08:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The police have no right to ask him to leave.
I've noticed that particularly among those farthest to the right, freedom is a difficult concept to grasp.

#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-08-30 05:52 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You have a warped world view. He was on private property. The police were called by bank security guards because he refused to leave.

#52 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see.
He refused to leave.
That explains why he was leaving.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

From my experience, when the cops show you give them a little respect, and let them say their thing. If you run your mouth full time it is when things get dicey with them.

That you must politely acquiesce to any police demand(s), regardless of their legality, or face physical violence, arrest and BS charges is the very heart of the issue.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-30 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see.
He refused to leave.
That explains why he was leaving.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-08-30 09:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He wasn't leaving until the Police arrived. Are you really as dumb as you appear?

#55 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

From my experience, when the cops show you give them a little respect, and let them say their thing. If you run your mouth full time it is when things get dicey with them.
That you must politely acquiesce to any police demand(s), regardless of their legality, or face physical violence, arrest and BS charges is the very heart of the issue.

#54 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2014-08-30 10:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Some have a world view that private property rights mean nothing. Fortunately these clowns are few and far between. If someone doesn't want you on their property, the police have every "right" to remove you. You can cooperate or not. This clown chose the not, all in the attempt to make a statement. He made a fool of himself and because he is black, he is now a hero to many on this blog.

#56 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-30 10:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

If someone doesn't want you on their property, the police have every "right" to remove you.

He was leaving the property in the video, was he not?

The problem only arose when officer hard[...] showed up and escalated the situation to an immediate arrest with threats of physical violence.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-30 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

If someone doesn't want you on their property, the police have every "right" to remove you.
#56 | Posted by RobThomas

He removed himself.
The police had no right to detain him.
It's very simple, all that's required for the police to detain you is they have to articulate a probable cause or a reasonable suspicion.
If they can't or won't do that, they don't have a right to interfere with your business.
I see this "freedom" concept continues to elude you.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-30 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Any time you mention white people being racist it's race baiting. In reality it burns him up that the [black] didn't bow down to the master race so he's at fault. Funny how they always find the loophole to make the victim the one at fault when said victim is not Caucasian. You are too transparent

#61 | Posted by The_U at 2014-08-31 03:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-31 03:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If Al Sharpton and Benjamin Crump were to get involved in seeking justice for this man, they'd be accused of race baiting.

But how can you not want justice for him after watching that?

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2014-

geeeshalou....it's race baiting because sharpton doesn't give a damn about white people unjustly accused or abused. if he does, he does NOTHING to show it.

#63 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-31 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

that being said....Im glad it didn't happen at the school because there are clear rules and procedures as to picking up kids and such....

maybe we've found an 'event' that we can all agree on...

IF this is the whole story....FIRE THOSE COPS TODAY !!!!

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-31 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

yes ROB...but the police were called and they blow up the entire situation....but the guy DID throw out the race thing first...but 'IRREGARDLESS"...ah ha ha....the cops should have just let him talk as he left....

#65 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-31 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

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