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Friday, August 29, 2014

Adam Weinstein, Atlas Shrugged readers remember Galt's Gulch as the rural refuge where Ayn Rand's Real Men of Genius spurned American socialism for their own anti-leftist paradise. Some inspired libertarians have set up a real-life Galt's Gulch in Chile. Unregulated capitalism, though, is presenting some problems! But all is not so sweet. Wendy McElroy, a "Canadian individualist anarchist" of some note, bought a 1.25-acre plot in Galt's Gulch Chile last year, or so she thought. She wrote a blistering post Monday suggesting that the Real Men of Genius behind the settlement are grifters, or incompetents, or both.

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"I suppose there is some comfort in being fleeced in good company, in being in the company of some of the smartest businessmen in the movement," McElroy writes on her blog. "I am not reassured."

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Woman who bought that 1.25 acre lot sounds like a loon in all honesty.

Main attraction was a pretty tree that she imagined herself sitting under and talking to? W. C. Fields is chuckling in his grave.

#1 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-29 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

gulch...belch...same thing.

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-29 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Months later, in a Skype conference, I asked the then-GGC-alienated salesman, "When you 'sold' us the property, when you printed out a photo from your phone that read 'Wendy's tree,' did you know you could not legally sell us the lot you were offering?" He said, "That is correct.""

Ah, but don't you "feel" better knowing you have no government burden on you? Sure your money is gone, you have no property that you "bought", no access to drinking water if you did and no avenue to turn to get it back.

Rest easy that you have been a sacrifice on the road to freedom of bureacracy that would have regulated your purchase and gave you an avenue of redress when you learned you were conned. Sit back and enjoy the fact that your money is being enjoyed by a job creatur that lured the gullible and naive into funding their lifestyle.

You are a hero to the capitalist machine that just chewed you up and spit you out.

You have been self regulated.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-29 08:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is the thread were if I were one of the regular right wing dingdongs, and the topic was something negative about Obama, or democrats, or Muslims, or global warming, or whatever has been shoved up their ----, (by someone else of course) --- I would be whining that the low traffic of this thread is because of:

1)Rcade putting it on the back page
2)That "librulls" are avoiding a "debate".
3)The MSM (insert whatever)
4)Something about how everyone in America is really a "conservative" but still magically entire professions are full of nothing but "libruulls".

Etc., etc. etc.

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-29 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Our randtards are going to avoid this thread like Ebola.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-29 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

We actually have an American politician that some think is worthy of the Presidency named after Rand. That is an embarrassment to this nation. That politician and those who support him are ridiculous jokes.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-29 10:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, how do you know? DailyKos makes the claim but others say no. Maybe we need a birth certificate. :) Seriously, though, I'm not taking DailyKos's word for this.

#7 | Posted by pragmatist at 2014-08-29 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

One of the original main investors who was forced out for having concerns about how things were run wrote his side of the story.

www.plamero.com

What was funny is that he's trying to stay very positive for ideological reasons, but basically they robbed him of $500K and then asked him to keep quiet about what a scam this whole thing is - which he did for a while as people were scammed thinking he was still involved.

Basically he's the perfect illustration of why the "free market" fails to regulate itself. People don't act rationally. This sucker was robbed and knew he was robbed and still wouldn't say anything because Libertarianism - even as other Libertarians were being robbed. The other investors who are genuine fools are more respectable.

#8 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-29 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There will be no Gangta's Paradise parody in this thread. Not because I don't want to, but because I just don't know the song that well.

Sorry.

#9 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-29 11:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

We actually have an American politician that some think is worthy of the Presidency named after Rand. That is an embarrassment to this nation. That politician and those who support him are ridiculous jokes.

#6 | POSTED BY DANNI

As opposed to being named Hussein?

#10 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-08-29 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

We actually have an American politician that some think is worthy of the Presidency named after Rand. That is an embarrassment to this nation. That politician and those who support him are ridiculous jokes.

#6 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2014-08-29 10:27 AM | REPLY

Not that it's a big deal, but I don't think he was named after Ayn Rand. "Rand" is a nickname given to him by his wife. He was "Randy" growing up. His birth name is "Randal."

In any event, I think he's worse than his dad. Granted, his dad was a little nutty. But, his dad was a thorn in the side of the neocons. Randy has a wee bit of the neocon in him, I think.

#11 | Posted by anton at 2014-08-29 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rand Paul reminds me of a garden gnome.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-29 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Its gotta be the nose

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-29 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gnome with bad hair...

images.sodahead.com

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-29 01:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gosh a buch of narcissistic greedy childish losers can't get along?

Who'd have guessed it?

#15 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-29 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

We actually have an American politician that some think is worthy of the Presidency named after Hussein*. That is an embarrassment to this nation. That politician and those who support him are ridiculous jokes.

*an Arabic name which is the diminutive of Hassan, meaning "good", "handsome" or "beautiful"

wiki

#16 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-29 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rand Paul reminds me of a garden gnome.

#12 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2014-08-29 01:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I was thinking Dana Carvey:

en.wikipedia.org

#17 | Posted by anton at 2014-08-29 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

We actually have an American politician that some think is worthy of the Presidency named after Hussein*.

Ain't it great? Now all over America kids with non-WASP sounding names have proof that they can grow up to be president.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe there is still hope for "Adolf" to come back. Jews used to be named Adolf. Harpo Marx is one.

#19 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-29 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

As opposed to being named Hussein?

#10 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Why is Hussein embarrassing? There's a definite connection between the name 'Rand Paul' and Ayn Rand. But do you think Obama is named after Saddam?

#20 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe there is still hope for "Adolf" to come back. Jews used to be named Adolf. Harpo Marx is one.

#19 | Posted by kanrei

"Adolf" never really seemed to hurt Coors beer.

#21 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That's because Smokey and the Bandit was an awesome movie. And yes, I never heard of Coors before that.

#22 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-29 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Adolf" never really seemed to hurt Coors beer.

Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 02:48 PM | Reply

Rocky mountain wee water.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-29 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Not that it's a big deal, but I don't think he was named after Ayn Rand. "Rand" is a nickname given to him by his wife. He was "Randy" growing up. His birth name is "Randal.""

I didn't know that but he's the only Randy or Randal I've ever heard of who shortened it to Rand.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-29 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is an embarrassment to this nation. That politician and those who support him are ridiculous jokes.
#6 | POSTED BY DANNI

[...]. Your Hillary Hawk and B. Hussein Obama refuse to acknowledge and take on the #1 issue facing America - CJS reform. It taps into the most significant facets of societal ills - unemployment, crime, racial disparities, upward progression, etc.

What's Hillary Hawk and B. Hussein's answer? More money for Wall Street.

What's Rand Paul's answer? Start with CJS reform and work your way up.

You want to maintain the bull$h¡† status quo debilitating the lower class and relegating them to environments that parallel third world countries, then so be it. But don't go around pretending an alternative to it is a "ridiculous joke."

Get off your fnckin' high horse!

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-29 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

-What's Rand Paul's answer?

White's Only lunch counters.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-29 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Rocky mountain wee water.

#23 | Posted by LarryMohr

No argument from me. Unfortunately, I grew up just a couple miles downwind of the brewery. Some evenings the stench was practically unbearable.

#27 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 'People don't act rationally'

But they did! Suckers exist to be conned, and they all did their parts.

#10 As opposed to being named Hussein?

We all know he got the unfortunate name years before the murderer came to power. But Coors so loved Adolf he passed in on to II, III, and IV. At least Harpo knew when to do the right thing.

#25 CJS reform? ZZZZZZZ

Oh. You're serious? OK then, just give me a few billion to start, and I'll throw in a free global warming fix. But only if you act NOW!

#28 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-08-29 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

suggesting that the Real Men of Genius behind the settlement are grifters

In Rand Land there's no such thing as a grifter. All's fair in a free market.

#29 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"She wrote a blistering post Monday suggesting that the Real Men of Genius behind the settlement are grifters, or incompetents, or both."

And how did Ayn Rand set up that deal? Any scammer can tell you anything you want to here.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-29 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

But do you think Obama is named after Saddam?

#20 | Posted by Whatsleft

Damn wha, I don't know. Do you?

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-29 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-What's Rand Paul's answer?

White's Only lunch counters.

#26 | Posted by Corky

cor, quit makin ---- up.

#32 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-29 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I don't know"

Are you serious?

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-29 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

There will be no Gangta's Paradise parody in this thread. Not because I don't want to, but because I just don't know the song that well.
Sorry.
#9 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-29 11:33 AM

As long as the Jewish spirit is yearning deep in the heart,

With eyes turned toward the East, looking toward Zion,

Then our hope - the two-thousand-year-old hope - will not be lost:

To be a free people in our land,

The land of Zion and Jerusalem

#34 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-29 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you serious?

#33 | Posted by Tor

That's the twisted part.. I think Snippy is serious most of the time.

#35 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know. Do you?

Jiminy Christmas. Barack Hussein Obama was named for his dad Barack Hussein Obama Sr., who was born in 1936. Saddam Hussein was born in 1937. See if those two facts help you figure out whether the president was named after Saddam or not.

#36 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-29 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

It seems like everything is working out well there. Unhappy customers aren't planning to be return customers. That will put pressure on the business to improve their customer service.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-30 12:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

rcade - numbers and math are not a teahadist's strong suit. Unless you can break it down to some sort of "mythical free market type language" they will not understand. They are not aware that the year 1936 came before the year 1937. If you can get them to understand that fact, then maybe their next lesson will be to do some research on Prescott Bush and see who he used to "pal around with". (hint: Stubby mustache, bowl cut hair cut, bad temper, that's not Charlie Chaplin)

#38 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2014-08-30 05:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

From the article: On a side note, I'm curious, did Rand ever own or manage a business? Or did she simply make a living from writing books and delivering speeches that told businessmen they're wonderful?

This is what just torques my nuts about Ayn Rand bashers. She did not own or manage a business that I am aware of, nor did she ever claim to. She was a fiction writer. Got it? She wrote fiction. Damn good fiction. Her characters were straight out of the American mythology.

Damning her for her shortcomings of economic accuracy is actually praise that she was able to make an impossible, fictitious scenario seem so plausible. And it seems that otherwise normal, intelligent people are struck the most by the novel. What I can't understand is why partisan Liberals (like my friend corky) have such a strong hatred of this great piece of literature. Is it too disconcerting to even contemplate that it could be real? If so, I can understand.....I can't tell you how many times I wanted to tell Capt. Ahab, 'Stop and let me off this damn boat, you madman'.

To me, Atlas Shrugged is just a love story...a weird love story featuring steel girders instead of cocktail parties, but a love story nonetheless.

But...and this is the fly in the ointment. You really have to intentionally ignore reality to think that Galt's Gulch can be plausible or practical. But it sure does feel good, emotionally, religiously, mythologically, to dream that it could be possible to live in such freedom and peace. But it's only a dream.

If you look at America (or any other 'empirical' country), you will see that most big things are done in a collectivist fashion. As a person who is a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, I have no problem with this. As a person who likes good literature, I still think it is an American classic work of ROMANTIC FICTION. It is not an economics textbook.

#39 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-30 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

research on Prescott Bush and see who he used to "pal around with". (hint: Stubby mustache, bowl cut hair cut, bad temper, that's not Charlie Chaplin)

#38 | Posted by aborted_monson

little o's dad was a commie.

And your point is?

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-30 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Notice how snipe never acknowledges his errors no matter how nice we are or how obvious his blunders?

Notice how he just jumps to another attack?

It's starting to look like he's got a borderline personality disorder.

#41 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-30 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

It's starting to look like he's got a borderline personality disorder.

POSTED BY TOR AT 2014-08-30 01:32 PM

I thought that was a prerequisite to posting here.

#42 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-30 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

I saw the movie "The Fountainhead" (1949) years ago with Gary Cooper. It had the main Ayn Rand theme throughout the movie of glorifying egomania as being a virtue.

I found the two main characters(Patricia Neal & Gary Cooper) as being insufferable. The role didn't fit Gary Cooper in my opinion.

#43 | Posted by shane at 2014-08-30 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

I ask this in every Ayn Rand themed thread because I am very confused about it. Did she go through some major political change after writing Anthem? That is the only Ayn Rand I know (besides Rush's Caress of Steel and 2112 which are dedicated to her). The book strikes me as liberal over all and a companion to 1984.

#44 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-30 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

-What's Rand Paul's answer?
White's Only lunch counters.

#26 | POSTED BY CORKY

Link up or STFU.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-30 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So much hate on Rand Paul from "liberals". Oops. Democrats. Perhaps because they well know he's at least saying the correct things compared to Hillary in every subject except social safety nets. And on that subject - well honestly, we really can't trust her, can we? Who was it that opened up social security to the predations of congress? Who was it that shipped our jobs away to Mexico? Who gives half million dollar speeches to Wall Street to let them know they'll be safe to keep gutting our economy? Who's voted for every war that comes across her desk and thinks the droner-in-chief isn't hawkish enough?

If the Republicans run Rand or someone with similar libertarian leanings, I'll feel how Republicans must have felt when the Dixiecrats switched teams. And vote accordingly. Of course, partisans will attack that as being a traitor to their team, rather than consider making sure the left gets a better candidate than Hillary. Strange.

#46 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-30 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

@ RSTYBEACH11

Me thinks he's referring to the smaller government/less regulation fetish's eventual outcome.

#47 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-30 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46 | Posted by zeropointnrg

So glad Rand is saying "the right things". Too bad he lacks character or talent.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-31 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Character" certainly isn't on the priority list of the people already coming out for Hillary, so not sure where that even comes into this discussion.

#49 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-31 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Too bad he lacks character or talent."

You think Carlyle Clinton has "character"?

#50 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-31 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

little o's dad was a commie.

And your point is?

When you can provide a link that Obama's dad handled Stalin's banking, the way Herbie Bush handled Hitler's, get back to us. Otherwise stick to what you know.

IE the early bird menu at Denny's.

#51 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-31 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

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