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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

The Obama administration is working to forge a sweeping international climate change agreement to compel nations to cut their planet-warming fossil fuel emissions, but without ratification from Congress.

In preparation for this agreement, to be signed at a United Nations summit meeting in 2015 in Paris, the negotiators are meeting with diplomats from other countries to broker a deal to commit some of the world's largest economies to enact laws to reduce their carbon pollution. But under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate.

To sidestep that requirement, President Obama's climate negotiators are devising what they call a "politically binding" deal that would "name and shame" countries into cutting their emissions.

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"If you want a deal that includes all the major emitters, including the U.S., you cannot realistically pursue a legally binding treaty at this time,"

Then it shouldn't be done. The people of the U.S. haven't agreed to it. Obama is not a dictator and he doesn't speak for everyone. Congress does. If Congress cannot decide on something, that means the American people cannot decide and thus NOTHING should be done.

This is why I don't like this president's policies..

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-27 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

American negotiators are instead homing in on a hybrid agreement -- a proposal to blend legally binding conditions from an existing 1992 treaty with new voluntary pledges. The mix would create a deal that would update the treaty, and thus, negotiators say, not require a new vote of ratification.

Bullsh*$. No such thing. The American people should not be held responsible for something WE have not signed on to. Obama is wrong here.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-27 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

If Congress cannot decide on something, that means the American people cannot decide and thus NOTHING should be done.

Congress speaks for the parties, not the people.

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-27 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is not acting out of line with every other President sadly. They have all worked together to expand Executive powers far beyond what the Constitution or the Founders ever imagined. Going back to Jefferson's famous "To the victor goes the spoils" and straight through to Nixon's "if the President does it than it's not a crime."

#4 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-27 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actual headline:

Obama Pursuing Climate Accord in Lieu of Treaty

Accords don't require a gridlocked Congress act, and as they don;t have the force of law, they are a good way to accomplish a goal that is considered advantageous by the participants.

Only laughable climate change deniers should be upset... and I see one of them is.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Accords don't require a gridlocked Congress act, and as they don;t have the force of law, they are a good way to accomplish a goal that is considered advantageous by the participants.

Even with the presence of a treaty, emissions reductions would have to be achieved through legislation. In the absence of a treaty congress can just ignore this altogether.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-27 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just this week there was a 5-mile human chain along the German/Poland border protesting coal. Five miles of people peacefully protesting and not one peep from United States news sources.

Reducing their dependence on coal and other non-renewables has boosted the German economy, reduced energy prices for consumers and encourages ecologically sound practices. One might imagine that the German energy sector success might be something for other nations to imitate.

Instead we have a do-nothing Congress allowing the coal and oil industries free reign, little to no accountability to the continual disasters they cause and direct obstruction of renewable energy practices.

The American government must adapt to include third parties - because this two party gridlock is not only embarrassing, but disgusting and wasteful.

Boaz - do you travel much? As a staunch Republican I'm curious what you have seen outside of the US that you feel are beneficial energy practices. If I remember right you are opposed to solar and wind generated power. The manner that collectors currently function is similar to Fukushima reactors - deliberately designed for not only failures, but disasters. We can agree that the United States can and must do better, but have you actually seen collectors anyplace? What kind of environmental damage have you seen?

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-27 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

And the fact that now fracking is getting into the thermal business really scares me. There is no place they will leave non-poisoned.

How many more earthquakes are we needing to experience before we stop that practice altogether?

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-27 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reducing their dependence on coal and other non-renewables has boosted the German economy, reduced energy prices for consumers and encourages ecologically sound practices. One might imagine that the German energy sector success might be something for other nations to imitate.

Umm, I think you might need to research that a little more. Germany has increased it's coal consumption and plans to built 20+ new coal fired power plants.

#9 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-27 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reducing their dependence on coal and other non-renewables has boosted the German economy, reduced energy prices for consumers and encourages ecologically sound practices. One might imagine that the German energy sector success might be something for other nations to imitate.
Umm, I think you might need to research that a little more. Germany has increased it's coal consumption and plans to built 20+ new coal fired power plants.
#9 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-27 01:25 PM

Actually, that's the argument and the purpose of the 5-mile long human chain - to protest the corporate expansion of coal in lieu of sustainable energy.

Russia is now giving EU corporations incentive to bypass renewables. Germany appears to only reserve 7% of the natural gas it uses (as I glance at Theodora 2010 data), so the real struggle is transitioning to renewables faster than the coal and oil industries can parasite economies into working backwards.

#10 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-27 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I remember right you are opposed to solar and wind generated power.

I'm not opposed to solar for individual houses.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-27 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

boaz...did you REALLY talk about the 'will of the people' ?? really ?

oh passe'.....don't you know the will of the people and the constitution are all things of the past or on their way out >?

and he's not side stepping congress alone....he's further trashing the constitution
BUT AS ALWAYS...the REALLY bad part ? the millions of 'kardashian watchers' who don't care and don't understand...

#12 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-27 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

As a staunch Republican I'm curious what you have seen outside of the US that you feel are beneficial energy practices.

I don't care. I don't look at other countries and think "How can I make the U.S. more like this?"

I have been to many nations. Nothing in any of them would I think is beneficial to our great nation.

Well, maybe legalized prostitution like Amsterdam. But that's all.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-27 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

global warming can be managed, and out of control executive branch can not. The latter has more dire consequences for the populace.

#14 | Posted by danv at 2014-08-28 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is wrong here.

#2 | Posted by boaz

Pretty much sums up ALL of Boaz's posts.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-28 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

and he's not side stepping congress alone....he's further trashing the constitution
BUT AS ALWAYS...the REALLY bad part ? the millions of 'kardashian watchers' who don't care and don't understand...

#12 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-08-27 07:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Executive action only started 1/20/2009.

#16 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-29 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

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