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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

A third American hostage held by ISIS has been identified as a 26-year-old American woman who was kidnapped a year ago while doing humanitarian relief work in Syria. The terror group is demanding $6.6 million and the release of U.S. prisoners for the life of the young woman, whom a representative for the family requested not be identified.

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She is the third of at least four Americans who were known to be held by ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. American journalist James Foley was executed by the group in a video that appeared online last week. Another writer, Steven Sotloff, was seen alive but under duress in the same footage.

In addition to the multi-million dollar ransom, the terror group has also demanded that the U.S. release Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT-trained neuroscientist who was convicted by the U.S. in 2010 of trying to kill U.S. officials two years before, according to a supporter of Siddiqui who has been in contact with the hostage's family.

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Ah, the concern about this woman hostage practically palpitates off the page....

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much does a GBU-10 cost? Does the ransom demand specify currency or can we barter with them? Send them 150 GBU-10s, dropped one a time. If they have determined the payment is insufficient, send them 150 more or swap to something they might like more, like Paveways or JDAMs.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-27 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"kidnapped a year ago while doing humanitarian relief work in Syria"

Are they next going to kidnap nuns working in a hospice for orphans?

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-27 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

How much does a GBU-10 cost? About 1 American female's life.

Internet armchair generals are always more willing to cover the cost, if it makes them feel tougher.

#4 | Posted by scalawag at 2014-08-27 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Perhaps, instead of giving them money, we can give them weapons. Then we can spend some more money to fly in and destroy them before they are used. Then we can pay another group of radical elements to fight the remaining radical elements we originally paid. Then, once they have defeated the other radical elements, we can spend some more money, bomb them, and give the money we have remaining to Israel and Egypt so they can buy weapons from us so they can bomb their favored radical elements.

#5 | Posted by scalawag at 2014-08-27 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 It's another genocide in the making. We need to kill 10,000 to get her back...right Corky?

you do know that aid workers go in knowing it's dangerous, and are willing to give their lives for what their doing?

#5 good plan. lets roll with it.

#6 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6

Genocide Deniers, lmao. Like Climate Change Deniers, only dumber.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"How much does a GBU-10 cost?"

$19,000 per unit
But once you add in the R&D production costs its $56.807 million for the navy version, $563.426 million for the air force version ------ paid to Raytheon, 9tax dollars) for this one weapon.

$563,000,000 + $57,000,000 = $506,000,000 - $7,000,000 = $499,000,000 more expensive.

hows that Mr. Fiscal "con, con, conservative"?

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

-you do know that aid workers go in knowing it's dangerous, and are willing to give their lives for what their doing?

I see, so she was wearing a short skirt which means she deserves to be raped... she was aware of the danger, so she deserves beheading.

Nice.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#9 nice false equivocation there

obligatory

#10 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, no, the analogy is quite true.

You bemoan efforts at rescuing her because she knew the danger.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"you do know that aid workers go in knowing it's dangerous, and are willing to give their lives for what their doing?"

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-27 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, the concern about this woman hostage practically palpitates off the page....

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is there to say? All American the hostages have a very slim chance of surviving. We can't give in to ISIS' demands because it would encourage more kidnappings and providing them resources is unethnical given what they will do to innocent people with those resources.

Sure I hope they are rescued. It probably isn't going to happen.

If grandstanding were going to save these people then I guess you'd be a hero but it isn't going to help.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-27 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

- What is there to say?

14 posts worth so far.

- grandstanding

Yes, you are.

Perhaps you are making up for your lack of concern about other people in general.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are they next going to kidnap nuns working in a hospice for orphans?

Nuns are shot on sight in Islamic countries.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps you are making up for your lack of concern about other people in general.

Apparently your handlers are trying to drum up ground war support using the "pretty maiden tied to the railroad tracks" threat.

why don't you just blurt out how many boots they want on the ground? what are you asking for....5000? more?

#16 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 Sounds like you're opening the door for people to roll NRE into the cost of everything from now on, ad infinitum. How much does Air Force One cost? Well, the Wright Brothers spent $250 on canvas and balsawood, plus a small engine (et al), and lets not forget the costs associated with learning to refine and process aluminum, extract and refine crude oil into jet fuel, develop paint, yada yada yada.....yes, it's every bit as stupid an argument as the one you made.

#17 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-27 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sounds like you're opening the door for people to roll NRE into the cost of everything from now on"

Duh, considering your record of whining about "government spending" you would think you could grasp that you, the US tax payer, are the one on the hook for that entire amount.

Stupid.

#18 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it when an American CIVILIAN goes to a warzone and gets caught we should always drop everything to help no matter what. Makes no sense to me.

#19 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, you are.

Perhaps you are making up for your lack of concern about other people in general.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh please. You're doing nothing to help these people either. Which is fine, because there is nothing that you can do.

If you want to maintain that there is something we can do to help them, I'm all ears. Better yet, tell me what you plan on doing.

But anytime now you can stop using their tragedy as an excuse to puff out your chest and point fingers at others. Your "concern" might actually come across as sincere if you weren't using the situation to make nonsensical attacks.

#20 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-27 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for U.S. Woman

Time to let her die.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

she was wearing a short skirt which means she deserves to be raped... she was aware of the danger, so she deserves beheading.

Absolutely correct in both situations.

Don't dress provocatively in front of drunken ----- boys. You may get raped.

Don't go into a war zone. You may get kidnapped or end up dead.

Don't charge a police officer shooting his gun at you. You will end up dead and the media will slander you.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you pay $Zero for a hostage? you end up saving more lives. When you react to every beheading with military force? you play right into their plans.

No..I don't believe for one second that Corky, or repug-libs in general really give a hoot about peoples lives, considering they're so willing to give up American lives in an unwinnable war.

No...these helpless victim stories are dog whistles for the warhawks.

You bemoan efforts at rescuing her because she knew the danger.
#11 | POSTED BY CORKY

I bemoan the dog whistle to wage war. that's what you want. it's not the girl. it's not the people stuck on a hill. it's war.

#23 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | POSTED BY SULLY

All true, Sully, so very true. I don't know why it's not obvious to the dingbats who think we should just meet every demand from these barbarians. We ALWAYS get the shaft in the end. I'm still furious that Obama made the Bergdahl deal. We got the short end of the stick and don't you just KNOW it will encourage more kidnappings.

#24 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-27 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is owned by the military complex.

They want a war.

They will get one.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#24 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

You don't get to be offended.

You were part of the BushJr war fanatics that led us into Afghanistan and Iraq and has left us in this dung pile we find ourselves in today.

All you F'n Republicans and Democrats that supported either of those two wars don't get to say isht.

You're the reason we're all F'd.

You elected the worst administration in the history of American politics and its been a isht show since then.

So shut it.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why is it when an American CIVILIAN goes to a warzone and gets caught we should always drop everything to help no matter what. Makes no sense to me."

Me either. But, hell, when some military private in a secure compound wanders off to sing Kumbayah or something with the enemy and gets captured, we do the same thing...legal or not. I believe we'll still pay a price for that at some point in the future.

#27 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-27 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Don't dress provocatively in front of drunken ----- boys. You may get raped.

Don't go into a war zone. You may get kidnapped or end up dead."

One is done without a sane reason.

The other is done to help people survive.

#28 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-27 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#16

Where's that Idiot Flag when you need it?

#20

lmao.. has a lot to say for someone who claimed there was nothing to say.

Perhaps if you were not on record as wanting us to ignore genocide when we could help stop it... naw, it wouldn't matter.

-If you want to maintain that there is something we can do to help them, I'm all ears.

I'm sure you are. But your Strawman about me claiming a way to help is just that. You made it up.

-using the situation to make nonsensical attacks.

Like your first post at #13?

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They will get one."

Whattaya mean, "get one?" We already HAVE one...or two or three. ISIS, for one, has declared war on us and so we have one whether we accept or not. We can't avoid it just by saying, "No thank you."

#30 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-27 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22

Today's liberal.

-I bemoan the dog whistle to wage war. that's what you want. it's not the girl. it's not the people stuck on a hill. it's war.

Two Idiot Flags. I think we have wein, er, a winner.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 02:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

One is done without a sane reason.
The other is done to help people survive.
#28 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2014-08-27 02:21 PM |

Great job helping people survive when you can't help yourself survive and ultimately end up becoming a burden.

Give me a break Tor.

Also, girls wear provocative clothing because they want attention. It only becomes a problem when the attention they receive is from the wrong person/people.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whattaya mean, "get one?" We already HAVE one...or two or three.

We've been in a perpetual state of war since 2001.

ISIS, for one, has declared war on us and so we have one whether we accept or not.

They are killing people in Iraq. Which we gave them the power to do. By killing people in Iraq ourselves. So. I don't see how "they declared war on us". But thats probably how it will be sold to the American public.

We can't avoid it just by saying, "No thank you."
#30 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

Actually. We can. And Should.

But what about the OIL!!!! You know. That thing we "didn't" go to war with Iraq for. LOL.

So yea. War it will be. Not for oil, but cause "they declared war on us!"

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16
Where's that Idiot Flag when you need it?

You'd cry to RCade if one ever got instated because all your posts would be flagged.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Great job helping people survive when you can't help yourself survive and ultimately end up becoming a burden."

There are likely many people trying to help the injured in that area.

So far I only know of one who's been kidnapped.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-27 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Today's liberal.
-I bemoan the dog whistle to wage war. that's what you want. it's not the girl. it's not the people stuck on a hill. it's war.
Two Idiot Flags. I think we have wein, er, a winner.
#31 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-27 02:27 PM

Today's Democrat is just yesterday's NeoCon.

All you want is a war Corky. You and your buddy RoboCheney should grab lunch together and plan it out.

Don't fret about the idiot flag, its pinned to your forehead.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 4

"Today's Democrat is just yesterday's NeoCon."

George McGovern would roll in his grave at the policies of mainstream Democrats.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

So far I only know of one who's been kidnapped.

So far America's media has told you about 1 journalist that was "beheaded", and 1 girl thats been kidnapped.

You don't actually know anything.

But you will believe what the media tells you.

"If it's in the paper's it must be true!"
~Dudley Do-Right.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

the policies of mainstream Democrats.

Are paid for by the same corporations that are paying for the policies of Republicans.

They are all they same.

Just one wears a Blue tie and one wears a Red tie and they pretend to hate each other.

In order to pretend they are different, they have a handful of wedge issues which they hang over the heads of the American public to keep them from thinking.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Simpsons did a great job of mocking our political parties in 1996.

Citizen Kang

It's about 7 minutes long and is brilliant.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 so drop the charade about rescuing damsels in distress and just blurt out already how many american soldiers/syrian-iraqi civilians you'll sacrifice to keep gas at $3.50/gal.

I'll show my hand even. I'm willing to pay $10/gal for peace. I might even go higher.

#41 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Perhaps if you were not on record as wanting us to ignore genocide when we could help stop it... naw, it wouldn't matter."

Apparently, you don't know what genocide means. And I was on record as not wanting to arm jihadists. Its working out fantastic, BTW. Libya is a full on failed state. That you keep bringing this up as an example of me being wrong as actual events prove me right is hilarious.

"Like your first post at #13?

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:"

#13 was a respnose to your grandstanding in #1. I stand by it. Now go back to pretending that shilling for Obama is the same as showing "concern" for people who can't be helped.

#42 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-27 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So. I don't see how "they declared war on us". But thats probably how it will be sold to the American public."

Well, I know it's a difficult concept for you but when a spokesman says....

...."We will raise the flag of Allah in the White House,"

...I kinda view it as a declaration of war. Maybe it will help you if you just watch the video.

foxnewsinsider.com

#43 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-27 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#43 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG

So then it's settled. I should go next door and tell my Marine of a neighbor that he should be expecting to go BACK into Iraq to fight ISIL, right?

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-27 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We will raise the flag of Allah in the White House,"

Really? He said that?

Let me guess, you had to change your underwear immediately after.

I kinda view it as a declaration of war. Maybe it will help you if you just watch the video.
#43 | POSTED BY JESTGETTINALONG AT 2014-08-27 02:55 PM

I kinda view it as the ramblings of a desperate, insane, man.

But if a threat is all thats needed for you to go to war then so be it.

You needed less of a reason to go wage war in Afghanistan and Iraq and look how great that turned out.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Simpsons did a great job of mocking our political parties in 1996.

hahaha...THAT was classic!

#46 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

the episode or my post?

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, I know it's a difficult concept for you but when a spokesman says....

...."We will raise the flag of Allah in the White House,"

...I kinda view it as a declaration of war. Maybe it will help you if you just watch the video.

foxnewsinsider.com

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-27 02:55 PM | Reply

It screams a Remember the Maine moment.

#48 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Libya is a full on failed state. You're not supposed to use the "L"-word, ya know.

It's not that the warhawks of this world will never learn, rather, their intention is to leave chaos behind while we establish bases and milk their resources. It's not US policy to 'care' about indigenous people groups...only to appear for appearance sake; or as an excuse to invade.

In the world of nations, you're either a US Base, or you will be..one day.

#49 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#47 the episode..."Bob Dole doesn't need this" hahaha

#50 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Yea.

I loved that episode as a kid.

Recently, I watched it during the Simpsons marathon and man! I loved that episode on a whole new level.

It's amazing how little has changed since then.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

-All you want is a war Corky

Funny how some clowns can't tell the difference between 1/2 million troops in Iraq and a few missile strikes.

Real libs like George McGovern were not afraid to discern between their leadership in the antiwar movement over Vietnam and their call for intervention to stop the genocide in Cambodia only a few years later.

But then, they weren't pants dampeners, either, scared to death of what W did and willing to let the pendulum swing too far in the opposite direction with their knee jerk whining.

-your grandstanding in #1.

rofl! #1 was posted nearly 12 hours after the thread was posted... observing the lack of posts.

And it werked mavelously, I tells ya!

Except for drawing clownish rape apologists and isolationist Nancy boys.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

NeoCon Corky Loves War and is willing to do anything to help the military complex roll America into a war with "ISIS".

You know.

That vaguely defined group, that could be in any country in the middle east, so why not start up a war with all of them.

And all he needs is a "few missile strikes" to save that poor kidnapped woman.

thats how it works right?

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Real libs like George McGovern "

I knew George McGovern.
I walked neighborhoods for George McGovern.
I saw George McGovern live at the Sports Arena.

Hillary Clinton is no George McGovern.

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#53

I was protesting war when you were still staining your diapers.... oh, wait.... you still are?

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary Clinton

#54 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

She not only has free rent up there, it looks like she's taken over ownership.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Republicans want war. Corky's reaction, "The wars wasted American lives and bankrupted our economy!! Republicans are out of control NeoCons!!"

Democrats want war. Corky's reaction, "only pants dampeners scared of what W did wouldn't want war!"

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Democrats want war.

When Dems put 1/2 million troops in the wrong country, give us a call.

Until then, you are are just a waste of bandwidth.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I was protesting war when you were still staining your diapers.... oh, wait.... you still are?

#55 | Posted by Corky

And then you turned into a neo-con over the next 40 years. I guess aging does that to some people.

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I was protesting war when you were still staining your diapers.... oh, wait.... you still are?
#55 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-27 03:31 PM

Funny how a moderately conservative black president will make you change your opinion about war.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

The 1 percenters love when people call liberals "neo-cons" and claim the "parties are the same"... it's one of their best divide and conquer memes, geared towards those stupid enough to fall for it.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Which politician uttered the following words:

"Do we sit on the sidelines and watch an entire people be slaughtered or do we marshal military forces and move in quietly to put an end to it?"

John McCain? Joe Lieberman? Scoop Jackson? Wrong.

The speaker was George McGovern, in August 1978."

www.theatlantic.com

A real lib, not a knee-jerk reactionary.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

When Dems put 1/2 million troops in the wrong country, give us a call.
Until then, you are are just a waste of bandwidth.
#59 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-27 03:34 PM

Look at your posts Corky, you're cheering on the deployment of 1/2 million troops to the wrong country as we live and breath.

Your fantasy about a "couple missile strikes" solving anything is about as delusional as RoboCheney saying "we'll be greeted as liberators" and Rummy saying the war "could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."

Talk about naive.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63 Spam

#65 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

- you're cheering on the deployment of 1/2 million troops to the wrong country

That's moronic. Only a real clown would... OK, never mind.

-fantasy about a "couple missile strikes" solving anything

You'll have to ask the thousands of refugees who were able to leave that mountaintop in part because of those strikes.

Talk about idiotic.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The 1 percenters love when people call liberals "neo-cons" and claim the "parties are the same"... "

Complete falsehood. The 1 percenters are divided between the socially liberal and the socially conservative, but they are united for Hillary, the Carlyle Group, Goldman-Sachs, the military-industrial complex, the national security/surveillance/
incarceration state. Ergo, all they have to talk about is gun control, gay marriage, Supreme Court nominees, abortion, etc.

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

isolationist Nancy boys.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can't help but notice that you're still proud of the fact that you were against military adventures back when you had a chance to go fight in a war justified with domino theories and other geopolitical concerns.

But now that you are no longer expected to fight, you understand all the globalrific nuanceries and intertransferable strategeries that make going to war a must.

Such is the life cycle of the chicken hawk.

#68 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-27 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

The 1 percenters love when people call liberals "neo-cons" and claim the "parties are the same"...
#62 | POSTED BY CORKY

Your posting history proves you're no liberal Corky.

At best you're a moderate conservative.

And the democratic and republican parties have become the same, except for a handful of wedge issues they use to keep people like you in check.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#67

Complete nonsense. The "parties are the same" is designed to stifle voting, Edith.

#68

Such is life in the Strawman Factory.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The speaker was George McGovern, in August 1978.""

How many times are you going to spam that? It must be over a hundred by now.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

On Topic....

... this woman's family has also denounced the use of their daughter as a tool by the terrorists to help get the, "U.S. release Aafia Siddiqui, an MIT-trained neuroscientist who was convicted by the U.S. in 2010 of trying to kill U.S. officials two years before, according to a supporter of Siddiqui who has been in contact with the hostage's family."

Unless ya'll want to talk about me some more, since you haven't anything else.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#72

As many times as you have no substantive argument for the premise, I suppose.

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

yes,

I am.

but even I can see this as just a lame attempt to get America back into war with the middle east.

America put Saddam into power to fight Iran.

then America had to fight Saddam, killing him the second time.

now we have to go fight ISIS.

after ISIS, we will have to fight the next incarnation of middle eastern hate directed towards America.

and they cycle continues.

We shouldn't have put Saddam in power, we shouldn't have gone to war to kill Saddam, we shouldn't go to war with ISIS.

But, Corky will be by shortly to tell us why we should go to war.

At least your buddy Jestgettinalong is willing to admit he's scared of ISIS and somehow believes they will "raise the flag of Allah in the White House."

Fearmonger goes hand in hand with warmongering.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63

www.democracynow.org

SEN. GEORGE McGOVERN: Well, that may be. I think that's wrong. I think we ought to get out of Iraq. I was saying we shouldn't go in there months before we went in there. A lot of thoughtful people were saying that, including General Wesley Clark. Other people were warning us that this was a trap, it would be easy to get into but very hard to get out, and I think that Congressman Murtha has come to that conclusion and had the courage to say, 'I was wrong, I don't want to see any more Americans dying out there. Let's get out and do it in a systematic way.'

AMY GOODMAN: Senator George McGovern, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Senator McGovern of South Dakota speaking to us from Los Angeles.

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He wanted NO part of Iraq.

#76 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

www.dailykos.com

Bill Kristol says America should bomb ISIS for a few weeks to 'see what happens'

Strange bedfellows.

#77 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

- this as just a lame attempt to get America back into war with the middle east

I see. So the NSA/CIA put this woman there to be kidnapped, pointed her out to the terrorists, and did so to start a war.

It's a False Flag Conspiracy!! Why didn't I see it before??

-why we should go to war.

Like I said, astute observers like George McGovern knew the difference between when we should act and when we should not... and did not let the mistakes of the past determine the future with knee jerk reactions of the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

Dummy goes hand in hand with scared ....less.

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

All these points aside, the fact is that ISIS is the most dangerous threat to world stability since the Cold War. At least that is my (verifiable) expert opinion. What W did in 2003 or Obama's Anti-Assad declaration during the Arab Spring non-withstanding. The simple fact is that ISIS is Al-Queda on steroids, and while I hope the rest of the Muslim region fights them as hard as the Kurds, it frankly doesn't matter who gets the job done ultimately. I'm not a Neocon, but I am not ideologically tethered either. I don't care about the oil, I don't care about hypocrisy or strange bedfellows when it comes to this. These guys are Nazis minus the human compassion. They are evil. They threaten the entire world, Muslim and Non-Muslim. My drawers are clean, but my head is clear as well. These are bad people.

#79 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-08-27 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Bill Kristol says America should bomb ISIS for a few weeks to 'see what happens'
#77 | POSTED BY LARRYMOHR

Worked for Israel.

all they had to do was murder 2,000+ Palestinians and now they are able to keep building new settlements on Palestinian territory without any interference.

guess we should try Corky's missile strategy.

I mean, the kidnapped girl may die.

But she was only bait to get us bombing again in Iraq anyway.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"#12 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-27 01:23 PM

Would you people stop posting auto-play videos?

#81 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

not forgetting other hostages...

Captive American's mother pleads for his release

In what is becoming an increasingly public negotiation over the fate of an American journalist, the mother of Steven J. Sotloff, who is being held by the militant group Islamic State, released a video Wednesday pleading for his release.

www.latimes.com

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#80

Ah, a conflating clown, no less; conflating what I said about missile strikes to help prevent a genocide with what I have said about this hostage may be convenient for you, but it is still just another lie.

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The opposition against the neocon policies of the Clintons is a noble cause. Come home, America.

--George McGovern

#84 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#84

A lie like that one.

Sad how those who have no argument resort to lying and, dare I say it? Obfuscation.

#85 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love how Corky is throwing around the word genocide, making it completely meaningless.

Sorry Corky.

No ad hominem points for you.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The nomination of neocon Hillary would be an abomination.

--George McGovern

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The nomination of neocon Hillary would be an abomination.

~Liberal America.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The nomination of neocon Hillary would be an abomination.

~Liberal America.

Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:26 PM | Reply

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#89 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said, when they have no argument, they are, "obfuscating fasciati", lmao!

I've laid out an argument, including an entire article supporting the premise that we can distinguish between Iraq and ISIS just as we did between Vietnam and Cambodia, and what do I get?

Nada but stupid lies.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

We can distinguish between Iraq and ISIS just as well as we did between the Vietnamese and the Vietcong.

Also, none of your Ad Hominem posts could be considered an argument, let alone a well laid out one...

It's all just nonsense about going to war.

You're becoming a first rate NeoCon, PaNeoCon would be proud of you.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

American journalist 'overwhelmed with emotion' after release from Syria

An American writer released this week after nearly two years of captivity in Syria said he was overwhelmed by the outpouring of attention he received after returning home, he told reporters on Wednesday.

Peter Theo Curtis, 45, returned to the United States late Tuesday after being released on Sunday. He was captured in 2012 and held by Nusra Front, al Qaeda's official wing in Syria and rivals to the militant group Islamic State.

"I am overwhelmed with emotion," he said, speaking for the first time publicly at a briefing outside his family's home in Massachusetts, adding that he needs to spend time with his family.

www.chicagotribune.com

Wonder if he was wearing a short skirt, too?

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

-It's all just nonsense about going to war.

I know it's easier for the simple of mind to conflate all these things, but seriously... have you aver considered that the "slippery slope argument" is itself a logical fallacy?

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've laid out an argument???

Blurt it out mumbles, you want to pay the loot or deploy the boots?? Which one is your solution?

#94 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

-none of your Ad Hominem posts could be considered an argument, let alone a well laid out one...

www.theatlantic.com

Again.

#95 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's all just nonsense about going to war.

You're becoming a first rate NeoCon, PaNeoCon would be proud of you.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's just cheerleading for war. I honestly don't think they actually care about the people. It's all about cheerleading their party to support going to war right or wrong. It doesn't matter to them.

#96 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#96 is very NewsWorthy.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

@95 @63 spam

#98 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#94

Your reading comprehension is lamentably poor.

"laid out an argument" had nothing to do with the hostage.

"I've laid out an argument, including an entire article supporting the premise that we can distinguish between Iraq and ISIS just as we did between Vietnam and Cambodia,"

But then, you are the one who runs around here calling me a Puritopian, hahaha!... so no surprise.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

#92

so. he was released? and no one went to war?

That kinda debunks your need to go to war doesn't it?

I mean. I realize ever since Obama wants to go to war so do you. But. Critical thinking should help you understand that this war is the agenda of the military complex.

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

you are the one who runs around here calling me a Puritopian, hahaha!... so no surprise.

#99 | Posted by Corky

That's funny. The guy that blathers "puritopian" at everybody whines about being called a puritopian.

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

#80

You are probably right and I flagged as a NW but it doesn't matter...ISIS must still be destroyed regardless. Please see the difference between lying to go to war and drumming up excuses and the fact that ISIS is ruthlessly conquering territory faster than anything since the invasion of Poland. The threat is real.

#102 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-08-27 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#99 I'll take that as deploy the boots. So how many American soldiers/Syrian-Iraqi civilians are you willing to kill/maim to solve this fiasco?

#103 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

also, you cannot distinguish between an Iraqi citizen and a member of ISIS.

I just really quickly want to squash that bogus talking point of yours.

Might as well say you can distinguish between a person from Kansas and Arkansas.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see, so that's what George McGovern was doing in 1978 by calling for a stop to the genocide in Cambodia, "cheerleading for war"?

Some people are too stupid to take seriously at all.

#100

That you still have to tell the lie that I said we should go to war for this hostage again reveals your status as beneath whale excrement.

Although what it really means is that you have to create Strawman because you have no retort to what I actually said.

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#104

ISIS is running around in militia conveys, and we took several of them out, saving thousands from genocide.

-I'll take that as deploy the boots.

More lies, more Strawmen, no argument.

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

The dead and maimed aren't strawmen. How many need to die or be permanently disabled to fix this? Btw...when I say 'fix this' we both know that means to F it up even worse for the next 20+ years.

#107 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It would be insane to follow the warmongering policies of Bill and Hillary Clinton".

--George McGovern

#108 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#101 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

So, what was you argument against the premise detailed in the Atlantic article?

I seem to have missed it... again.

Unless you agree with these other clowns that McGovern was being a "cheerleader for war"?

#109 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please see the difference between lying to go to war and drumming up excuses and the fact that ISIS is ruthlessly conquering territory faster than anything since the invasion of Poland. The threat is real.

#102 | POSTED BY BOCAINK AT 2014-08-27 04:55 PM |

ISIS only flourishes in Iraq currently because we killed the guy keeping the country under control. (Saddam)

Fighting ISIS won't stop them. Al Qaeda is still around and we went to war against them in 2001, then they became our "allies" in 2012, then they attacked us immediately afterwards...

America, we shouldn't be in the middle east. Nothing we do there helps. And it won't. Unless of course. We just flat out carpet bomb the whole region.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#107

Poor Puritopians.

It's like having Special Eddie arguing your case.

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Poor Puritopians."

Puritopians unite!

#112 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#112

Clowny is going to have to give his name over to you.

So, you think McGovern was being a "cheerleader for war", too, eh?

Interesting.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#114

You might want to post about something other than my personal parts. People will know that's what you think about.

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many dead and maimed are needed corky? What's the price going to be?

#116 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"McGovern is best known for his landslide defeat in the presidential election of 1972 and his impassioned opposition to the Vietnam War.

Six years later, when he became the first senator to advocate U.S. military intervention next door in Cambodia, to stop the Khmer Rouge's ghastly slaughter of between 1 and 3 million people, hawks were incredulous.

The Wall Street Journal called McGovern's stance "mind-boggling."

But as Samantha Power explains in A Problem from Hell, McGovern saw no contradiction in his positions.

Vietnam, in his mind, had been a profoundly misguided application of American might to prevent a communist-led independence movement from liberating its country from Western control.

Cambodia was genocide.

In his view, the U.S. had a particular responsibility to prevent the latter because its war in Vietnam had helped cause the trauma and instability on which the Khmer Rouge seized."

Nope, nothing like Iraq. Nu-uh.

Damn "cheerleader for war"!!

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"McGovern is best known for his landslide defeat in the presidential election of 1972 and his impassioned opposition to the Vietnam War.

Six years later, when he became the first senator to advocate U.S. military intervention next door in Cambodia, to stop the Khmer Rouge's ghastly slaughter of between 1 and 3 million people, hawks were incredulous.

The Wall Street Journal called McGovern's stance "mind-boggling."

But as Samantha Power explains in A Problem from Hell, McGovern saw no contradiction in his positions.

Vietnam, in his mind, had been a profoundly misguided application of American might to prevent a communist-led independence movement from liberating its country from Western control.

Cambodia was genocide.

In his view, the U.S. had a particular responsibility to prevent the latter because its war in Vietnam had helped cause the trauma and instability on which the Khmer Rouge seized."

Nope, nothing like Iraq. Nu-uh.

Damn "cheerleader for war"!!

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think we should create a thread called, "What Would George McGovern do?"

or WWGMD for short.

we can make bracelets and sell them next to our WWJD and WWBBD.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted twice so Deadspin had a real chance at comprehension.

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

That you still have to tell the lie that I said we should go to war for this hostage again reveals your status as beneath whale excrement.

So you don't want to go to war?

then theres no argument to be had.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 05:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good thing ol' George ain't alive to see so-called liberals defeated by W's Excellent Iraqi Adventure....made to whine and tremble in fear when confronted with a real threat, unable to discern the difference.

They'd just call him a, "cheerleader for war".

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

#121

light/dim room

#123 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good thing ol' George ain't alive to see so-called liberals defeated by W's Excellent Iraqi Adventure....made to whine and tremble in fear when confronted with a real threat, unable to discern the difference.

They'd just call him a, "cheerleader for war".

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag

The threat is all in the neocons head.

#124 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Clintons are as corrupt as the guy I faced in 72, Richard Nixon".

--George McGovern

#125 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-27 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clown:

I agree with you, we screwed everything up you could imagine possible in the middle east and it caused this. The thing is is that "this" is more serious than a lot of people want to believe. It can actually eventually work to our advantage to kill the beast we created. Defeating ISIS will do more to gain support of Muslims who value life and security over ideology. Most do even in light of the sectarian violence.

#126 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-08-27 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree with you, we screwed everything up you could imagine possible in the middle east and it caused this. The thing is is that "this" is more serious than a lot of people want to believe. It can actually eventually work to our advantage to kill the beast we created. Defeating ISIS will do more to gain support of Muslims who value life and security over ideology. Most do even in light of the sectarian violence.

#126 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-08-27 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't buy it. It's the same excuse they gave for going to war in Iraq the second time. Smells like the same stink.

#127 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#127

It honest doesn't to me. My opinion is coming from predominantly non-governmental and social media research and not from any government perception shaping. I left grad school right before 9/11 and I could smell a stink bomb the minute the Patriot Act was introduced, and there is no doubt that Obama took sides during the Arab Spring prematurely and without fully understanding the context of Middle East political dynamics. This smells, feels, and looks likes like a well-funded Mongolian-style purge. In the context of how well they are funded and how charged their fighting force is mixed with a convert or die mindset, I take the threat very seriously in multiple theaters. The thing is, they are at the point now where a large swath of them can be defeated fairly quickly and decisively if they are attacked on multiple fronts from Syria and Iraq by multiple forces. ISIS knows our predicament and does not expect Syria and the US to work together. This is why I am not just banging the drum for war. If there are enough Middle Eastern forces to continue to allow the US to only have to give air-cover, Allah Bless it, but whatever it takes, they have to be defeated for real. This isn't the same as the Iraqi Insurgency. Most civilians want nothing to do with ISIS. It won't catch like wildfire. There will be some holdovers and something new will probably pop up, but defeating ISIS now will put a significant hamper on this level of organized extremism.

#128 | Posted by bocaink at 2014-08-27 06:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how some clowns can't tell the difference between 1/2 million troops in Iraq and a few missile strikes.

#52 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-27 03:22 PM | FLAG:

ISIS has 100,000 fighters at this point spread across thousands of miles that rapidly deploys, and goes to ground like an insurgency whenever bombarded. What's your definition of "few"?

#129 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Should say thousands of square miles.

#130 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 08:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's stop ------- around and end it. ISIS is nothing more than a bunch of half-wit inbreds, little different from the Taliban. If only our collective national balls would drop, we could spend a day or two dropping copious amounts of bombs on them. Or give Assad his chemical weapons back and let him have a go.

Deadspin...

You must be ----------- me.

Do you need to go to Iraq and get your nugget chopped off to understand that ISIS isn't a bunch of misguided, but well meaning revolutionaries? I would have hated to have been you in WWII, claiming that the US should just leave the SS alone. And it was really the Americans, not the Japanese, who were bad. For not letting them rape Nanking at will.

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's stop ------- around and end it. ISIS is nothing more than a bunch of half-wit inbreds, little different from the Taliban.

You're living in the same fantasy world as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld if you think we can just drop a bunch of bombs on ISIS and make them disappear. It would take a massive deployment of ground troops to attack them after the airstrikes and hold their territory.

And even if that succeeded, what then? You want to create a new nation in Syria we have to keep going back to save, the way we're now saving the nation we created in Iraq?

#132 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-27 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#125

Obfuscating fasciati, lmao!

Still no argument.

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#129

You should try reading the thread.

A "few missile strikes" in my post referred to the missile strikes we already made that helped stop a genocide... nothing else.

If we can provide air support for the Kurds and for the 280-something thousand poor excuse for an Iraqi army, that's fine by me, but not lots of boots on the ground.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And even if that succeeded, what then? You want to create a new nation in Syria we have to keep going back to save, the way we're now saving the nation we created in Iraq?"

Excellent questions.

The Russians realized long ago that Assad was the best bet for the region. So let's let Putin up arm him with 4th gen Russian technology. Give Assad the ability to neutralize future threats, as opposed to advocating some arbitrary parity between Assad and the anti-Assads, like we've done in the past. My opinion, the Free Syrian Army may soon realize that Assad ain't half bad, if they haven't already.

As for Iraq, we unfortunately already killed their dictator. So the answer is not nearly as simple. Let the Kurds cut out their slice, the Shia's their slice, and the Sunnis their slice. Why force them to work together. Bottom line is that control by Iran, Syrian, or even Saudi Arabia is a better option than ISIS.

#135 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

We need to clean up our backyard for a while. The grass already needs an idiot stick. We put it off too long we will choke to death.

#136 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

You never named your price capt kirk. How many dead and maimed us soldiers and Syrian-Iraqi civilians are acceptable collateral damage??

What wil you pay to keep $3.50/gal gas?

#137 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"How many dead and maimed us soldiers and Syrian-Iraqi civilians are acceptable collateral damage??"

USAF/USN aircraft can clip ISIS at the roots with impunity. Of course to answer your second question, collateral damage isn't really a factor when civilians are being employed as human shields. But I bet a quick nuke would save more lives than it would cost. It did in Japan, after all. Demonstrate to an intractable adversary that they can either do what the ---- their told, or burn.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

but not lots of boots on the ground.
#134 | POSTED BY CORKY

Define "lots"?

#139 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-27 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

139

"Lots" will be at least 1 more soldier that we eventually put there, in corky's eyes

#140 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-27 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It did in Japan, after all."

You have no way of knowing any such thing, of course.

#141 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-27 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#141

History?

The Japanese?

I'm not sure you could find a better source...

But keep being stupid if that's what you're good at...

#142 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#141
History?
The Japanese?
I'm not sure you could find a better source...
But keep being stupid if that's what you're good at...

#142 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2014-08-27 10:15 PM | FLAG:

The Japanese who were in the process of surrendering when the bombs were dropped? Are those the ones you mean? Likewise, I suppose you are a proponent of the silly false dichotomy that the choices were between invasion and bombing, with no other possible options.

History is not self evident, you simple creature. There are various approaches to interpreting what we know and speculating about what we don't. Pretending like the matter is somehow settled merely shows your own ignorance of the whole discipline.

#143 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-27 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll put madbomber down for 250,000 with a nuke. Corky? How many will you kill or maim for cheap gas? Do you want to use a nuke too? Madbomb might loan you one.

#144 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 10:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Define "lots"?

More than a little.

#144

Lying about what I have said here only makes you look more ignorant than before. If that's possible.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#138 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Well, that's offensive. But true to the handle at least.

#146 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Iraq now is a revolving door of death and destruction. There's no saving Iraq from My viewpoint. You can either stick your head through the revolving door to get it knocked off or stay out and keep yourself whole. That's what happens when you remove the lid.

#147 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-27 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't pay them a dime.
Kill them.
Repeat as needed.

Results:
They won't view kidnapped humanitarian workers as a source of income.
and/or
No more humanitarian workers will go there.

#148 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-08-27 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we can provide air support for the Kurds and for the 280-something thousand poor excuse for an Iraqi army, that's fine by me, but not lots of boots on the ground.
#134 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-27 09:20 PM | FLAG:

So thousands of air strikes, many into civilian Sunni areas, because that's where ISIS goes to ground immediately when bombarded.

You sure you're not a compassionate conservative?

#149 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-28 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"The Japanese who were in the process of surrendering when the bombs were dropped"

Not a student of history, eh? That's OK, I don't mind spending a minute or two teaching.

The Japanese had reached out via the USSR to explore the possibility of a cease fire. The response was that the allies would accept nothing less than unconditional surrender. In response to that, the Army prepared a document, "The Fundamental Policy to Be Followed Henceforth in the Conduct of the War." This document outlined that Japan would fight to extinction before it accepted an unconditional surrender. The fact that their extinction would come at no cost to the allies is what drove them to eventually accept the terms offered by the west.

"I'll put madbomber down for 250,000 with a nuke"

Let's make it 500k and two nukes. Just in case one doesn't do the trick.

"Well, that's offensive. But true to the handle at least."

Offensive?

Nuking the Japanese resulted in around 250k deaths. Invasion of the home islands would have resulted in an estimated 1M allied deaths, and the extermination of the Japanese. which of those is more offensive?

I once attended a lecture by Dr. Leon Smith, who designed the fuzing mechanisms on the first atomic weapons. In Japan once, her was asked whether he regretted his role in the bombings. He replied that he did not, as the nuclear bomb was probably the reason there still was a Japan.

#150 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-28 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

#148

I'm not a loony libertarian.

#151 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-28 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not a loony libertarian.

#151 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2014-08-28 12:45 PM | FLAG:

You won't find many libertarians or progressives advocating high volume, remote control warfare to impose US geo-political will.

Your willingness to bomb with impunity... seems a little sick. Bomb those civilian areas, just as long as we don't need many troops and don't have to risk anything. Sure why not. Works great for the IDF right? They've totally put a stop to Hamas.

#152 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-28 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"You won't find many libertarians or progressives advocating high volume, remote control warfare to impose US geo-political will."

You will find some self-described "progressives" at the DNC advocating neo-con policies, though.

#153 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-28 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#152

"Why I fled libertarianism -- and became a liberal

I was a Ron Paul delegate back in 2008 -- now I'm a Democrat. Here's my personal tale of disgust and self-discovery"

www.salon.com

#153

"McGovern is best known for his landslide defeat in the presidential election of 1972 and his impassioned opposition to the Vietnam War.

Six years later, when he became the first senator to advocate U.S. military intervention next door in Cambodia, to stop the Khmer Rouge's ghastly slaughter of between 1 and 3 million people, hawks were incredulous.

The Wall Street Journal called McGovern's stance "mind-boggling."
But as Samantha Power explains in A Problem from Hell, McGovern saw no contradiction in his positions.

Vietnam, in his mind, had been a profoundly misguided application of American might to prevent a communist-led independence movement from liberating its country from Western control.

Cambodia was genocide.

In his view, the U.S. had a particular responsibility to prevent the latter because its war in Vietnam had helped cause the trauma and instability on which the Khmer Rouge seized."

Nope, nothing like Iraq. Nu-uh.
Damn "cheerleader for war"!!

Still no substantive argument from the anarchist wing of the libertarians.

#154 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-28 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

**** McGovern. He advocated occupying and overthrowing a government in a jungle country where that government just came to power through popular rural support built off of a US bombing campaign in that country, insisting it would be "quiet".

Pol Pot was overthrown by disaffected followers. Had we intervened it is likely we would have galvanized support behind him and found ourselves in, for lack of a better term, another Vietnam, except this time with even fewer "friendlies".

#155 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-28 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your willingness to bomb with impunity... seems a little sick. Bomb those civilian areas, just as long as we don't need many troops and don't have to risk anything. Sure why not. Works great for the IDF right? They've totally put a stop to Hamas.

#152 | Posted by sitzkrieg

having a problem with "insurgents"? Try American Bombings!

Why it cures everything! Including beheadings kidnappings and hostage taking.

Side effects include bleeding rears (and fronts) destroyed infrastructure and lack of local support and a never ending cycle of violence.

This message brought to you by the Military Industrial Complex and the neo-neocons.

Remember...Whatever the question is... American Bombings are the answer!

#156 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-28 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

This message brought to you by the Military Industrial Complex and the neo-neocons.
Remember...Whatever the question is... American Bombings are the answer!
#156 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-08-28 04:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Obama is a neocon? You so funny. And dumb.

#157 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-28 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Nuking the Japanese resulted in around 250k deaths. Invasion of the home islands would have resulted in an estimated 1M allied deaths, and the extermination of the Japanese."

According to MacArthur's unsubstantiated guesstimate, perhaps. And again this supposes that bombing and invasion were the only options.

"I once attended a lecture by Dr. Leon Smith, who designed the fuzing mechanisms on the first atomic weapons. In Japan once, her was asked whether he regretted his role in the bombings. He replied that he did not, as the nuclear bomb was probably the reason there still was a Japan."

I'll bet it was a formative moment for you: a lesson from a master in how to rationalize atrocities.

#158 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-28 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is a neocon? You so funny. And dumb.

#157 | Posted by RobThomas

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

Obama is a neo-neocon. That would be like a neocon lite.

You know...like corky.

#159 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-28 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#159

Talk about too poor to pay attention...

#160 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-29 12:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

I peeled 20 pounds off my ankles just to please Corky - Hillary

#161 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-29 12:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Polish humor is an oxymoron.

#162 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-29 12:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

I know this sounds "weak", but I say just pay the money and bring the poor woman home. All this squawking about setting a dangerous precedent and so forth is wasted on savages such as ISIS. They are going to do whatever it is they are going to do anyway. Let's bring this good woman home.

#163 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-29 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

i can't wait for the muslim faction to piss off the christian faction to the point
that another crusade is launched. all the religious ----- killing each other.
two birds with one stone. it would almost make me believe there was a god

#164 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2014-08-29 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

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