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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

Dangerous Minds: A new report from the National Poverty Center (NPC) throws the disturbing trend of "extreme poverty" (as opposed to mere "deep poverty") into stark relief: There are currently an astonishing 1.65 million American households (with 3.55 million children living in them) where each family member lives on less than $2 a day! Mull that over for a moment. Half the country is near or below the poverty line already! ... Far from being Ronald Reagan's "rising tide that lifts all boats," in 2013 American-style capitalism is a raging tsunami of economic degradation, battering her own people against its rocks.

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Scary article. So again I ask, why do the Dems keep insisting on pushing for millions of more immigrants (mostly illegal) to be given amnesty which will then allow millions more to come in via the Family Reunification Act. Big business Republicans also want it to happen for an unlimited supply of cheap labor thereby guaranteeing the minimum wage will never be raised.

And how long do they think our social programs -- a literal lifeline for many poor Americans -- are going to hold up when we keep importing millions of third world poor over our borders? This has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with common sense and the economic survival of our nation.

#1 | Posted by CalifChris at 2014-08-26 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, for cost of 1/2 latte a day you could support an ignorant american.

#2 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-26 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And how long do they think our social programs -- a literal lifeline for many poor Americans -- are going to hold up when we keep importing millions of third world poor over our borders?"

ARe we supposed to pretend it is only illegal aliens living on so little? Are we supposed to believe that without illegal immigration we wouldn't have millions living on so little? Are we supposed to believe that had our illegal aliens stayed in their home countries and been killed or lived without enough to exist we would be a better nation?
Sorry Chris, I can't join your xenophobic train of blame.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-26 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"Mull that over for a moment. Half the country is near or below the poverty line already!"

I went through the article and the attached article and I can't see how they come up with 150 million people living in or near poverty.

Either they failed to show that math or I didn't see it.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-26 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Immigration is necessary for this country to keep operating because we're not replacing our population. Cry all you want, but that's just the way it is.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-27 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Eb makes a good point. Here are some numbers and have a look on page 4.

www.census.gov

#6 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-08-27 10:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

This article is sort of a joke. As indicated the the reference to the World Socialist Website and comments about "wage slavery."

The fact is that $2 a day comes out to $730. Slightly more than the GDP per capita for Somalia. The DGP per capita for the US is around $53k

Mull that over for half a moment. In fact, using this measure, half of Americans are far poorer than your average Afghan family, whose GDP per capita is around $1100.

I guess they must be talking about homeless people, but then it would be an untruth to address "households," since on 2 dollars a day you aren't living in a house. You're living in a mud hut somewhere.

#7 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Facts are dangerous people...just ignore them. What we need are prolonged bombing campaigns to crush evil-doers and boogeymen* who threaten our freedom to remain impoverished.

*includes boogeywomens, boogeypeoples, and boogeyLGBT to be non-exclusive and all-inclusive of any wanna-be boogeypersons and/or boogeygroups.

#8 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 12:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, for cost of 1/2 latte a day you could support an ignorant american.
#2 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-26 10:17 PM

Tell me you didn't mean that.

#9 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-27 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Facts are dangerous people...just ignore them. What we need are prolonged bombing campaigns to crush evil-doers and boogeymen* who threaten our freedom to remain impoverished."

Soooo, if we (and others, presumably) were to acquiesce to the desires of ISIL, it would end poverty?

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

From the actual study (not the article):

"We report three estimates of extreme poverty, using three different definitions of household income. The first considers only reported household cash income from all sources, as described above...The second adds SNAP benefits, (assuming $1 SNAP = $1 cash). The third accounts for SNAP and also adds the estimated average monthly value of the household's net refundable tax credits, specifically, the EITC and Child Tax Credit, the value of which is often greater than the income tax liability incurred by recipients, and government housing subsidies (section 8; public housing)."

The National Poverty Center of course takes the first definition and only considers wages in it's "$2 a day" article It completely ignores the fact that their 1.65M households live on $2 or less a day PLUS GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES. Once you add in government subsidies this figure drops precipitously.

I'm not saying we don't have poor in this country. We do, and that's a problem. However, deliberately obfuscating and ignoring government subsidies in an article about the poor is pretty darn disingenuous.

#11 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-08-27 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So, for cost of 1/2 latte a day you could support an ignorant american.
#2 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-26 10:17 PM

Tell me you didn't mean that.

#9 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

I don't know. My instinctual response is , no just being facisious.
But thinking about it a bit, I kind of do. Look at the stat provided

1.65 million American households (with 3.55 million children living in them) where each family member lives on less than $2 a day!

Why are these people having kids? Ignorant of birth control? Maybe.

These are the poorest of the poor. The most uneducated of the uneducated. Whats the world supposed to do, for those that will not do for themselves? So I guess I kind of do believe that. Depending on the circumstances.

#12 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-27 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"1.65 million American households"

1.65 million households don't live on $2 unless they're living in a tent or a mud hut. Or at whatever standard Somalis live at. My experience with Somalia begins and ends with the movie "Blackhawk Down"

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-27 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

I gave $ 2 to a guy on the corner the other day. I guess you can say I gave him a day off from work.

#14 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-27 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#9 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

I don't know. My instinctual response is , no just being facisious.
But thinking about it a bit, I kind of do. Look at the stat provided

1.65 million American households (with 3.55 million children living in them) where each family member lives on less than $2 a day!

Why are these people having kids? Ignorant of birth control? Maybe.

These are the poorest of the poor. The most uneducated of the uneducated. Whats the world supposed to do, for those that will not do for themselves? So I guess I kind of do believe that. Depending on the circumstances.

#12 | Posted by soulfly

It's facetious you ignorant American.

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-08-27 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"When Bill Clinton -- no fan of welfare -- was in office there were an average of 25.5 SNAP million recipients each month, but by the end of 2012, it was nearly twice that, at 47.5 million people."

Obama was supposed to fix everything right? Obama thinks 45 million on Food Stamps is a good thing.

"By every economic measure, we are better off now than we were when I took office. You wouldn't know it, but we are." -Obama

Really? Well then someone has their facts wrong. I wonder who?

#16 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-08-27 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? Well then someone has their facts wrong. I wonder who?

#16 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-08-27 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag

It is the guy you see when you look in the mirror. He's pretty ignorant of the facts.

#17 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2014-08-27 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

We need a demographic and ethnic study in America as to what ethnic/tribal/kinship group has all the money, power, all the education, all the representation and yet still claims to be the perpetual victim of discrimination.

Americans need to see some full transparency, ethnically and politically and exactly who it is that has all the money, while a few get $2 a day.

The media and the politicians need to expose the have it all crowd and the have it less. HINT: It is about commonality but not about Party.

#18 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-27 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | POSTED BY ROBSON AT 2014-08-27 08:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You are confused about who has all the money and power and representation in this country? Where is your cave located?

#19 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2014-08-27 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-27 05:36 PM | Reply
Why are these people having kids? Ignorant of birth control? Maybe.

Birth control is fairly expensive or difficult to get at low cost or free.
Poor people having few entertainment options tend to have active sex lives.

#20 | Posted by kingcuke at 2014-08-27 09:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

ARe we supposed to pretend it is only illegal aliens living on so little? Are we supposed to believe that without illegal immigration we wouldn't have millions living on so little?

#3 | Posted by danni

Wake up ddan. How many illegals can we let in to take the few jobs there are?

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-27 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, for cost of 1/2 latte a day you could support an ignorant american.

#2 | Posted by soulfly

I think you just came up with the new min wage. You are briliant.

#22 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-27 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

1.65 Million Americans Live on Less Than $2 a Day

"I bet they don't even pay taxes."

~Republicans.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-27 10:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's facetious you ignorant American.

#15 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

And I still make more than $2 a day. It isnt that hard to make a living...but you still have to work for it.

#24 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-27 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 | Posted by sames1 at 20

When Clinton was Pres we had a better economy for one thing, and though his welfare reform had some temporary effect on moving some people out of poverty, it also moved more people into deep poverty then before his welfare reform.
Billy Clinton is and has always been for the rich and care nothing for the poor and caused much suffering

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-28 12:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

into deep poverty=extreme poverty

#26 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-28 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting that so much hatred is shown for people that are at the dirt poor end of poverty. It is the conflict between right wing ignorance and pretending to love Jesus.

#27 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-28 06:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Read the data you libs................ welfare isn't included in the conclusion of $2.00

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-28 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

No hate for the extreme poor. Just the realization that the problem is one that usually deals with addictions, too many kids or zero education.

Jesus had mercy on the poor, but he was also a realist. "You will always have the poor with you". You can have mercy on these folks, as I do. I give to the man standing on the corner. I have delivered meals on wheels. I have worked at a soup kitchen. It doesn't mean we have to agree that some new government program designed to "lift the poor", or some huge tax on upper earners is always is the right solution. These programs often trap people...and you will always have the poor. How you treat them individually (in my opinion) is the only moral question.

#29 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-28 08:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

However, deliberately obfuscating and ignoring government subsidies in an article about the poor is pretty darn disingenuous.

#11 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-08-27 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is lying.

#30 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-28 09:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wake up ddan. How many illegals can we let in to take the few jobs there are?

#21 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-08-27 09:54 PM | FLAG:

If there are so few jobs, why are Americans waiting for illegals to take those jobs? Why don't the Americans snap up all those jobs TODAY???? If there are so few jobs, where are the millions of illegals going to find a job anyway? Stretching our health care system? NAW--chances are they have a single payer system in their home country already. Worried about them on welfare? LOL---just ONE of the corporate welfare bank bail-outs would cover the cost for years. You worry about the small welfare that actually saves human lives and ignore the REAL welfare queens--corporate America.

#31 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2014-08-28 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

If there are so few jobs, why are Americans waiting for illegals to take those jobs?

It's not that they necessarily take those jobs. It's that they increase the unskilled worker pool creating a greater supply which drives down wages.

Stretching our health care system? NAW--chances are they have a single payer system in their home country already.

A vast majority of the people entering our country illegally are doing so at our southern border and they are coming from Mexico and Central America. I could be wrong but I don't think any of those countries have a single payer healthcare system.

Worried about them on welfare? LOL---just ONE of the corporate welfare bank bail-outs would cover the cost for years. You worry about the small welfare that actually saves human lives and ignore the REAL welfare queens--corporate America.

I mostly agree with you on this - corporate welfare being a much bigger problem. My issue with social welfare isn't the redistribution aspect of it - the poor need financial assistance. My issue is all of the unintended consequences. It incentivizes out-of-wedlock birth. It creates dependency. It weakens the self-esteem of the recipient. It creates a sense of unearned entitlement. It fosters sociological and cultural problems.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-28 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

If you're below the poverty line in the US, it's almost a certainty that is because you chose to be. Because you are making the wrong decsions.

There are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-28 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If there are so few jobs, why are Americans waiting for illegals to take those jobs?
It's not that they necessarily take those jobs. It's that they increase the unskilled worker pool creating a greater supply which drives down wages.

There are minimum wage laws. The only jobs illegals can get is if they are hired by your "job creators". Why aren't you focused on those rich jerks instead of a man trying to feed his family The only wages that will go down are for the illegals.

Stretching our health care system? NAW--chances are they have a single payer system in their home country already.

A vast majority of the people entering our country illegally are doing so at our southern border and they are coming from Mexico and Central America. I could be wrong but I don't think any of those countries have a single payer healthcare system.

Your ignorance is showing. Mexico has a single payer system in place. So does Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago. Add in Argentina Brazil,Chile, Columbia, and Peru.

My issue is all of the unintended consequences. It incentivizes out-of-wedlock birth. It creates dependency. It weakens the self-esteem of the recipient. It creates a sense of unearned entitlement. It fosters sociological and cultural problems.

Right-wing nutjobs opposition to birth control, abortion, and sex education is the main reason for such births--not a few extra dollars in the welfare check as an incentive. Unearned entitlement? They don't get to eat unless they "earn" the right in your eyes? Say that again when you are hungry and out of a job. See if it fosters sociological and cultural problems for you.

#34 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2014-08-28 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

#33 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2014-08-28 10:30 AM | FLAG:

LOL---you funny.

#35 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2014-08-28 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

The only jobs illegals can get is if they are hired by your "job creators". Why aren't you focused on those rich jerks

I am all for cracking down on employers who knowingly hire iwords.

Right-wing nutjobs opposition to birth control, abortion, and sex education is the main reason for such births

I am not opposed to birth control, abortion or sex education. What causes unwanted pregnancy is a man and a woman engaging in unprotected sex. Condoms are dirt cheap and are offered for free at health clinics all over the place. Absolutely no reason to have unprotected sex.

Unearned entitlement? They don't get to eat unless they "earn" the right in your eyes? Say that again when you are hungry and out of a job. See if it fosters sociological and cultural problems for you.

I am talking about sociological problems in the macro scale. Having a sense of entitlement to something that isn't earned is not a good thing. Nowhere did I say that I favor tearing up the social safety net - I don't. I was pointing out that it creates unintended consequences.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-28 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Culturally, we should be strongly encouraging able-bodied adults to try and provide for themselves at all costs. Culturally, when people to get down on their luck and need to draw assistance we should be strongly encouraging them to get back on their feet as quickly as possible and get off the dole as quickly as possible. Culturally, we shouldn't encourage women to have babies out of wedlock and we should be strongly encouraging men to be true fathers when they knock up a woman (assuming the woman chooses to carry through to birth).

As a society we are moving further and further away from what I just typed above. That is not a good thing.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-28 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Right-wing nutjobs opposition to birth control, abortion, and sex education is the main reason for such births--"

baloney. right-wing nutjobs aren't the main reason for that at all.

they aren't helping most of the time....but you're delusional, as usual.

opposition to something legal and not being taken away is causing more out of wedlock birth?

nobody forces idiots with no job, no money, and no self control to have a baby out of wedlock when birth control was available, abortion was available, and information about their actions was available (sex education).

Christ.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-28 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are taking Jesus out of context (as far too many "Christians" are wont to do):

"For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always." - Mark 14:7 (emphasis mine)

The emphasis is on the fact that his end was coming, not a justification for not trying to help all of the poor.

"1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Matthew 7:1-5

One does not even have to be a "believer" to understand what is really meant here.

#39 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-28 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Piss down economics: the real version.

#40 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-28 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Culturally, we should be strongly encouraging able-bodied adults to try and provide for themselves at all costs."

If they're able to provide for themselves, it's harder for the government to control them than if they're reliant on the government for survival. They're also going to be less likely to vote for politicians who will ask them to work in return for a payment, rather than provide one with no strings attached.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-28 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

One does not even have to be a "believer" to understand what is really meant here.

#39 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

What does the "belivers" have to say about this.

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)"

Get to work?

#42 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-28 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, OK, if you want to prioritize Paul's opinions over Jesus' words.

#43 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-28 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh Jeeze the clowns are out in force on this one.
rattling on about how Obama didn;t fix it. Well neither did thier congress who was goign to change everythign Obama but spent nearly four yours working on ONE thing... count it 1...uno Einz... single... lone... solo...wŭn...en... you hear me only 1... one ...1!!!!!! and fgailed at accomplishing it. And you pig brains are going to continue blaming Obama!!

Three things keeping the clownbrigade from coming to terms about the economy...

First you are in denial about how bad the crash was. The fact is it is so astronomical you cannot wrap your heads around it. Because you cannot fathom the magnitude of it you don't understand why it is taking so long. You still believe it was not that big a deal. Seriously ------------ congress can't do the one thing they promised and you expect us to buy into your vapid expertise about where Obama is failing?

Second you elected numbskulls to congress because they promised to do one thing and failed. Not only that they have cost the country more than they saved it. Its a lot like those two wars you noodled around with... the most expensive one we never needed to venture into And you are in denial about how much it cost and angry that it didn't pay for itself as promise and it has your panties in a twist facing the fact that you have to pay for it.

Third as a group you are incredibly stupid, inane, crazy, inept. clumsy lunatics screaming and hollering at the top of your piggy voices about things you have to credibility discussing.And sise you put people into congress that share your same feeblemindedness its taking longer than it needed to. Funny thang... it is getting handled in spite of the behemoth amount of stupid you are pouring into to it.

#44 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-08-28 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#44 NW!

#45 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-28 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

More distortions from the leftist. Stupid people actually believe this stuff.

#46 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-29 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

#44 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE AT 2014-08-28 08:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You foolish clown. You and your fellow dumbasses blame "BUSH" for every issue under the sun. Ignoring that the issues started when the DEMS took control of congress. Now when Obama is in charge, you blame congress.

You are either an ignorant, low IQ clown or just a dumb ass. I think the latter.

#47 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-29 09:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You foolish clown. You and your fellow dumbasses blame "BUSH" for every issue under the sun."

You don't even have the intelligence to understand how stupid your own comment really is. Have a nice day in your little world of denial.

#48 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-29 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are either an ignorant, low IQ clown or just a dumb ass. I think the latter."

folks like that are just partisans. denial and cheerleading is all they can do.

what's funny is that they think nobody notices that their positions, where they think credit/blame lies, etc...isn't 100% predictable.

Here it is......

if it's a good thing....it happened because of the WH and the dem sitting in it. If it's a bad thing...it's because of congress and the GOP that controls or obstructs things.

that's it. that's the entire playbook for leftist cheerleaders here.

That's bad enough, but those dolts actually think nobody notices how simplistic they are.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-29 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You foolish clown. You and your fellow dumbasses blame "BUSH" for every issue under the sun."

You don't even have the intelligence to understand how stupid your own comment really is. Have a nice day in your little world of denial.

#48 | Posted by danni

dann is talking from the heart once again.

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-29 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, OK, if you want to prioritize Paul's opinions over Jesus' words.

#43 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Then there always Timothy. One of the new testament biggest ------

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

#51 | Posted by soulfly at 2014-08-29 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.

Sort of sums up the Moral Majority IMHO.

#52 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-29 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

What I want from Liberals is a REALISTIC threshold of what America can accept. What I got from this article is that .008% of Americans live in extreme poverty. .008%. As far as any measurable goes in the history of measurables, this is the lowest you will ever see a number out of 100%. So, what is a REALISTIC threshold that America will accept? I say realistic because, of course, most Liberals think everyone should be millionaires in their land of make-believe filled with unicorns and butterflies. But for the 300+ million others of us who have to live in reality and try to make do with what we have, there is no possible way to get extreme poverty to 0%. No country or body of people has EVER been able to do that in the history of mankind, which goes back a long way.

What we need are thresholds that we strive to work towards. .008% is incredibly fantastic as a low percentage. But let's say our threshold is .005%. So we work to get it to that point. Then, we set a threshold for poverty to something like 20%. Once we get to that point, then we set other thresholds. Right now, all we have are 300 million people who think their ideas of how to run a country are better than everyone else's. I'm not saying we don't try to get to the point where everyone has everything they could ever want, but it's time America grows up and becomes realistic about it's identity.

But I will say this, and you may not agree but I will stand behind this statement 100%, if .008% is not a low enough acceptable threshold, America will NEVER survive. If, at our lowest, 008% is still considered to be too much, the people who live in that land of make-believe described above have won and the reason why our economy is where it is is solely because of them.

#53 | Posted by humtake at 2014-08-29 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is the conflict between right wing ignorance and pretending to love Jesus.

#27 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2014-08-28 06:49 AM | FLAG:

But not nearly the conflict that is between leftist arrogance and their belief that possessions define a person.

#54 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-29 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.
Sort of sums up the Moral Majority IMHO.

#52 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-29 10:18 AM | FLAG:

At the time of Christ, most slaves in the audience of the writers of the new testament were indentured servants, working to pay off debts or working someones property for them for a cut of the action.

Not much different than the DEM created society where millions are are indentured to the pocket books of others.

#55 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-29 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Soulfly,

That definition of "slave" is different from someone who is put into slavery unwanted. That piece of scripture is akin to someone working off a debt or an indentured servant and not a slave in the Kunta Kinte sense.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-29 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

and their belief that possessions define a person.

#54 | Posted by RobThomas

Weird, that's the only definition of success I've seen from conservatives for years.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-29 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

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