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Tuesday, August 26, 2014

A 39-year-old instructor at a shooting range popular with tourists on U.S. Highway 93 in northwestern Arizona was accidentally shot and killed by a nine-year-old girl firing an Uzi. Charles Vacca, an instructor at Bullets and Burgers, had helped the child fire the gun several times in single-shot mode, Mohave County Sheriff Jim McCabe said. The weapon then was put in fully automatic mode and the girl fired it multiple times as the recoil caused a shot to hit the instructor in the head. "The guy just dropped," McCabe said.

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Yeah that's why full auto is stupid. Grown men can have trouble controlling it. You hit things by accident, not on purpose.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-26 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tomorrow's special: Vaccaburgers.

#2 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-26 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Not an accident. Anybody giving a 9 y/o an Uzi is committing suicide.

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-26 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

That lesson should stick.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-26 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

What? YOu mean a 9 year old girl shouldn't be playing with an Uzi? Who knew?

#5 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-26 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

This guy is obviously a gay/commie/liberal who did this to shame us Real Patriots(c)and force us to stop giving guns to children.

The NRA

PS If this guy had two Uzis, he could have stopped this terrible crime by overloading this girl with lead. Remember, the only thing that stops a bad nine year old with a gun is a good 39 year old with two guns!

#6 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-26 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"...accidentally shot and killed by a nine-year-old girl firing an Uzi."

The stupidity necessary reach this point is absolutely appalling.

9yr old with an Uzi...just damn.

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#7 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-26 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Real justice.

#8 | Posted by coffeemaker at 2014-08-26 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I did on my summer vacation.

#9 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-26 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who the hell puts a loaded Uzi in a child's hands?

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-26 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who the hell puts a loaded Uzi in a child's hands?"

A guy who works at "Bullets and Burgers"?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-26 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

The problem was he was standing right next to her when he pull it on full auto. He should have been standing behind her with his hands on the gun in control of it.

rwd

#12 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-26 10:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The problem was he was standing right next to her when he pull it on full auto."

You think his biggest mistake was where he was standing? OMG!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-26 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The problem is what the bullet hit.

#14 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-26 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

You think his biggest mistake was where he was standing? OMG!

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-26 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes.

What's your problem with it besides him being killed?

rwd

#15 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-26 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don the problem is he put a fully automatic weapon into a child's hands.

#16 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-26 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

The other problem is he was an "instructor".

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-26 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

She was just exercising her second amendment rights.

#18 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2014-08-26 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

I wonder who her parents will sue first, after they sober up?

#19 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-26 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Children ages 8 to 17 are allowed to fire guns with parental consent and supervision, according to the website.

The 9-year-old girl and her parents reside in New Jersey, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Trish Carter. They consented to her use of the automatic weapon. One of the parents filmed the accident and the video evidence was provided to the sheriff's office, which made an edited version available to the media.

The video shows Vacca helping position the girl's feet and explaining features of the gun to her. She fires a single shot before he switches the gun to "full auto." Before the edited video cuts off, the gun can be seen shifting to the girl's left toward Vacca."

"The accident had already raised questions on social media and from gun control advocates about why a child would be exposed to an automatic firearm.

"These are weapons made for war, we give them to highly trained soldiers," said Gerry Hills, founder of Arizonans for Gun Safety. "I can't think of situation we would give a child an Uzi or why that would be a responsible thing."

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

#20 Tired nonsense like, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is that what you mean? Those words are obviously not true. A good guy with a gun has rarely ever stopped a bad guy with a gun. You are obviously irony deficient, since every time something like this happens, it just puts lie in the NRA's words.

#23 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2014-08-27 06:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

, it just puts lie in the NRA's words.

#21 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2014-08-27 06:38 AM | REPLY | FLAG

You'd have to be dumb to construe a range accident with quotes about lethal self-defense.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 07:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Saw the owner of the range on TV last night. He was reall classy about it. He blamed the dead guy.

I know there are things an "instructor" can do to help a child better control the weapon but you'd think that just maybe he'd take some times to rethink his policies.

Sometimes the Darwin award winner is actually a proxy for the head moron.

#26 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-27 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You think his biggest mistake was where he was standing? OMG!"

I was quite surprised by that comment too. I paused in shock at the phrase "nine-year-old girl firing an Uzi." I wouldn't give a 9-year-old a rifle with a single bullet in an abandoned field, at least without keeping my hand on the gun.

This guy should win the Darwin Awards.

#27 | Posted by LEgregius at 2014-08-27 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I was quite surprised by that comment too.

#27 | POSTED BY LEGREGIUS AT 2014-08-27 09:41 AM | FLAG:

It's an accurate comment. The instructor did everything wrong. If you don't limit the ammo in the magazine, don't physically support the shooter, and stand on their weak side, you will likely get shot. It doesn't matter whom you are teaching, male or female, 9, 29, or 90. If he'd done that he'd still be alive and that little girl wouldn't have to live with the burden of his mistakes.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"You think his biggest mistake was where he was standing? OMG!"

Yes, he does.

Downright dangerous way of thinking that's all too common in todays "conservative" universe. You would think the champions of "responsibility" could distinguish between negligence and an accident.
It's as dangerous as [...] "opining", (aka lecturing) about warning shots and advising, via the internets, to not bother.
Stupidity with no bounds. Reckless blather from irresponsible fools.

#29 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

While I like the idea of teaching children to shoot. A .22 caliber rifle would suffice to learn respect and discipline.

I blame the parents today for forcing kids to go to extreme measures to "facebook" their mundane lives.

No child under 18 needs to learn to shoot an Uzi. In San Jose, just the idea that you have an Uzi gets you killed by the police..
www.ktvu.com

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-27 11:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course, the child will now grow up with the stigma of this event lodged deep in her psyche... the result of the greediness and poor policies of the owner, the ineptitude of the instructor, and the undeniable irresponsibility of her parents.

Not to mention the decades of sales/brainwashing by the NRA.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-27 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"While I like the idea of teaching children to shoot. A .22 caliber rifle would suffice to learn respect and discipline"
"I blame the parents today for forcing kids"

Let's break this down.
------ "likes" teaching children to shoot, but then blames the parents and oddly "Facebook" as if it's not a parents who are going to do THE BEST job of teaching proper firearm safety to their kids. What Facebook has to do with this I have no idea.
I guess it's another case of "responsibility" --- but by whom no one can discern, ("liberal" parents are to blame I suppose, but may be a shot at immigrants, who can tell with these tools).

#32 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

#30 I agree. Parents drive their kids to grow up too quickly, which equates to being involved in everything. They refuse to allow them to be kids and grow up.

Facebook has become the ultimate helper and driver of materialism and narcissism from those of an early age. It pushes the how can I outdo the Jones in my life experiences, BFFs, likes, etc and all intended to increase consumerism and leave a trail.

The purpose of FB is to create a lifelong dossier on every sap willing to sign up.

#33 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-27 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yup, this is the thread where the gun glorifiers blame someone else for an atmosphere of complacency ---------- with guns.

They chant day after day the benign nature of guns, but then blame someone else for not taking guns seriously when something like this happens, (see post blaming "parents" and "Facebook", not a lackadaisical cultural approach, by some, to a killing tool).

In other words they ridicule any attempt to do anything to curb this nonsense, insisting people should not be wary of firearms, then deny any culpability in their marginalizing a healthy respect for firearms with their incessant defense that guns "save lives".

#34 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, that is one less girl who will ever be a gun nut. Maybe by his sacrifice this instructor taught this girl a life changing lesson. Just too bad it cost him his life.

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-27 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other words they ridicule any attempt to do anything to curb this nonsense, insisting people should not be wary of firearms, then deny any culpability in their marginalizing a healthy respect for firearms with their incessant defense that guns "save lives".

#34 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2014-08-27 11:49 AM | FLAG:

An Uzi is a heavily regulated weapon. It requires a Federal Firearms License to own it. That particular one is owned by and stored at a firing range, like Australian requirements. It is a collectors item that goes for upwards of $4000. Ownership has been restricted since the 60s. Manufacture of new ones for civilian ownership has been banned since 1986. No law regarding these has changed since '86 and those laws are supported by the NRA.

I have to ask, what are you going to do to "curb this nonsense"? Ban all legally owned NFA items?

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is why we can't have nice things, like the right to bear arms. Some idiot will be an idiot and then it will be taken away from us for our own good.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-08-27 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have to ask, what are you going to do to "curb this nonsense"?"

1) Put an end to the rhetoric minimizing the danger of firearms by people who have no business advising people on toothpaste let alone the responsible use and care of a deadly weapon.

2) Put an end to the marginalization of people who do know something about this subject that are now routinely drowned out by the noisy NRA ------- and assorted know it all, loudmouth -----, (above).

3) And make gun owners/dealers/sellers are monetarily and criminally liable for owning/using/selling, (heavy fines, significant jail time). Period.

Selling without background check = seller is liable
Lost stolen or other used in a crime = owner is liable
Gun not secure resulting in injury = owner is liable
Accidentally discharge = owner is liable
Playing around with firearm = owner is liable
gifting of a firearm later used in a crime = purchaser is liable

that will put an end to all this. quick.

#38 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I see this as a horrible tragedy for the little girl who 1)has irresponsible parents, 2) who took her to an irresponsible gun range, and 3) put her in the hands of an irresponsible instructor.

The results? 1 dead, 1 scared for life. unknown number of affected family and friends.

All for what? some selfish puff-chested tiny-weewee ego enhancer.

#39 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-27 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Some nice pics from the "instructor's" FB page.

www.balloon-juice.com

#40 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2014-08-27 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Interesting. I typed the keywords children and uzi into my trusty browser and came up with this photo(I hope this cut and paste works):

souciant.com

So, apparently, this unfortunate man was not the only fella who thinks a 9 year old is never to young to shoot an Uzi.

#41 | Posted by scalawag at 2014-08-27 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

In other words they ridicule any attempt to do anything to curb this nonsense, insisting people should not be wary of firearms, then deny any culpability in their marginalizing a healthy respect for firearms with their incessant defense that guns "save lives".

#34 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

You mean handing a weapon set to full auto to a nine year old isn't showing a healthy respect?


#42 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-27 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2014-08-27 12:54 PM | FLAG:

So you lead off with attacks on the 1st Amendment, because you're being "shouted down" despite using more posts and text than anybody on this thread... You should expect to be ridiculed when that's where you are coming from.

#43 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So you lead off with attacks on the 1st Amendment"

You have the right to an opinion, what you don't have a right to is to waste my time with your stupid opinion.

See, the government has to endure your stupidness, I as a citizen and a business owner do not.

Anyway, preventing people from yelling fire when there is none is not an attack on the 1st amendment --- its common sense.
Telling people who claim eating glue is nutritious to shut the hell up is not an attack on their 1st amendment, its common sense.

#44 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-27 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

You should donate your profits to gun control since you feel so strongly. Spend your time lobbying for the change you so desire.

but you won't, you're going to sit here and come up with stupid ideas on an obscure forum. lol. Have a good one.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#38 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses

The list of "solutions" at 3 clearly demonstrates exclusion from the category of person described in 2.

#46 | Posted by et_al at 2014-08-27 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I did on my summer vacation.
#9 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-26 09:37 PM

I want to mark that FF, but the guilt.. She must be completely shaken to the core. Children with weapons doesn't make for a "life lesson" whatsoever, it's child endangerment and programmed de-sensitivity.

I can't load the article - it keeps timing out. Imo, all "parents" giving their children automatic weapons should be investigated.

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-27 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

With the zombie apocalypse just around the corner, kids need to be prepared. - NRA

#48 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2014-08-27 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

how did this guy live 39 years being so stupid?

#49 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-08-27 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I added video to this post that ends right before the fatal shot is fired. I can't believe that instructor thought this was a good idea.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-27 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I added video to this post that ends right before the fatal shot is fired. I can't believe that instructor thought this was a good idea.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-27 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are people who, having the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, still think it would have been a good idea if he had been standing in a different position.

#51 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-27 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Not an accident. Anybody giving a 9 y/o an Uzi is committing suicide.

#3 | Posted by northguy3

The parents and the instructor are IDIOTS.

#52 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-27 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg

A 9 yr old with a full auto?

#53 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-27 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg

A 9 yr old with a full auto?

#53 | Posted by Sniper

Why not? It was her 2nd amendment right.

More "Freedoming" to be had by all!

That "Instructor" is totally Free now.

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-27 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg
A 9 yr old with a full auto?

#53 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-08-27 05:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Legal within state law, covered by insurance. It's been done without accident often, for years. It will probably continue to be done and hopefully the instructors won't be as stupid as that one.

That said, no thanks, that's stupid. Bolt action .22 & .410 only at that age for my daughters. If one really really wants to hunt.. a bolt action .223 maybe.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-27 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Famous Last Words

"All Right! Full Auto..."

What kind of parent puts his child into the hands of a gun instructor wearing camouflage pants, black tee shirt, bald head and no ear protection?

#56 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-08-27 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

NRA: 'Children Can Have Fun At The Shooting Range'

Less than two days after a 9-year-old girl in Arizona accidentally shot and killed a gun range instructor who was showing her how to fire an Uzi, the National Rifle Association on Wednesday touted new ways for children to "have fun" at shooting ranges.

The nation's largest gun lobby posted a tweet Wednesday afternoon to its NRA Women account that read "7 Ways Children Can Have Fun at the Shooting Range." The tweet included a link to an article with the same title published on the website of Women's Outdoor News. A little over an hour after posting it, NRA Women deleted the tweet without explanation.

The Huffington Post

#57 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-08-27 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The instructor went full retard. You never go full retard

#58 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-27 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

The careless 9 year old killer should be charged with manslaughter.
IMHO

Sammy in gun CRAZY Arizona

#59 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-08-27 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Meh it was just a little pre-emptive adolescent angst. Best to get it out of the way before her rebellion years come when she might feel like shooting him for grounding her and taking away her iPad

#60 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-08-28 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

DARWIN AWARD!

#61 | Posted by TwoCents at 2014-08-28 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

In a gun culture there will be gun deaths. Deal with it.

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-28 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

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