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Torie Rose DeGhett, The Atlantic: The Iraqi soldier died attempting to pull himself up over the dashboard of his truck. The flames engulfed his vehicle and incinerated his body, turning him to dusty ash and blackened bone. In a photograph taken soon afterward, the soldier's hand reaches out of the shattered windshield, which frames his face and chest. The colors and textures of his hand and shoulders look like those of the scorched and rusted metal around him. Fire has destroyed most of his features, leaving behind a skeletal face, fixed in a final rictus. He stares without eyes. On February 28, 1991, Kenneth Jarecke stood in front of the charred man, parked amid the carbonized bodies of his fellow soldiers, and photographed him.

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Jarecke took the picture just before a ceasefire officially ended Operation Desert Storm

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no one else but RCade would post this, gold stars for you.

#1 | Posted by coyote at 2014-08-22 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did they think nothing bad was going to happen when they invaded a neighboring country with plunder in mind?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-22 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I doubt they thought it would lead to de facto censorship of the horrors of war in the American "free press."

But if that's why Saddam invaded Kuwait, he succeeded in killing a little part of America that day.

The same part Bush attacked when he banned photographs of flag-draped coffins being unloaded at Dover AFB.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Did they think nothing bad was going to happen when they invaded a neighboring country with plunder in mind?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-22 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush Sr gave the tacit OK for Saddam to invade Kuwait.

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Bush Sr gave the tacit OK for Saddam to invade Kuwait."

Doesn't make it acceptable does it?

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-22 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't make it acceptable does it?

Posted by Tor at 2014-08-22 10:52 PM | Reply

Considering Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi territory Id say yes.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

www.nytimes.com

CONFRONTATION IN THE GULF; The Oilfield Lying Below the Iraq-Kuwait Dispute

There's part of it.

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.rense.com

Iraq Accuses Kuwait Of
Slant Drilling And Stealing
300,000 Barrels Of Oil Daily

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

WWII was different.

www.amazon.com

#9 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2014-08-22 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

For You Tor

www.prwatch.org

#10 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

rense.com?

en.wikipedia.org

Bad Larry

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-22 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

en.wikipedia.org

In 1990 Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing Iraqi petroleum through slant drilling, although some[who?] Iraqi sources indicated Saddam Hussein's decision to attack Kuwait was made only a few months before the actual invasion.[17] Some[who?] feel there were several reasons for the Iraqi move, including Iraq's inability to pay more than US$80 billion that had been borrowed to finance the Iran–Iraq war, and Kuwaiti

#12 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't make it acceptable does it?
#5 | Posted by Tor

Kuwait was drilling Iraq's oil. I think many of us would view that as a legitimate reason to invade. Resource allocation conflicts are common catalysts for war throughout history. Probably the only reason when you get down to it.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 11:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Iraq accused Kuwait"?

That's your evidence Larry?

Every President for the last century has been accused by some creep of being either an alien or Jewish.

Doesn't make it true does it?

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-23 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

I saw that show years ago when the current Iraq war was still in its early stages. Since the press wouldn't publish them they went on exhibit. For awhile they were on the web too.

I think back on Desert Storm being televised on CNN. I was sitting in a bar with some friends and the same clip was being shown over and over ... a smart bomb going down a chimney. It gave you the impression that they were all precise.

It is really alarming to think how the Iraq war's justifications hanged ever week or so for the first two years.. the first excuse of course being self preservation... and when that didn't pan out... followed by bogus altruistic visions. This photographic show depicting the war that had pretty much neutered Saddam Hussein brought home to me the nobility that is wasted in a war.

I didn't think the "crispy" image was the most horrific. You expect to see crispies in war pictures. Every war seems to have them I thought the images of the pits dug serving as mass graves and bodies being shoved in with bulldozers more disturbing. The road to Baghdad exhibit showed that not only did they take in tanks, humvees, and transporters but also heavy land movers for just that purpose. But you did see that in the press? Of course not! Heaven knows we don't want our troops being seen burying the evidence.

------------- like to imagine a inexpensive, sanitary war... with a happily ever after enemy neutralized and above grateful that you slaughtered their family members... and showed them the way.

#15 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-08-23 12:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's your evidence Larry?

Every President for the last century has been accused by some creep of being either an alien or Jewish.

Doesn't make it true does it?

Posted by Tor at 2014-08-23 12:09 AM | Reply

I take it You have no factual rebuttal then just spew?? Figures.

#16 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-23 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Really Larry? I know you are a liberal, but do you have to take the side of every one of America's enemies?

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 06:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Really Larry? I know you are a liberal, but do you have to take the side of every one of America's enemies?

Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 06:43 AM | Reply

Saddam Hussein was Your Conservatives hero Ronald Wilson Reagan's bestest buddy and Bush41's until Saudi Arabia told him not to be. Funny dat be.

#18 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-23 06:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

And everyone is going "Awww". Well, this is war. It was our way or their way. No pictures of the same Iraqi Army as they were raping Kuwaiti girls? No? No pictures of them executing Kuwaiti citizens? No? The level of compassion shown for the enemy instead of those we are protecting is insane in our liberal press. Who cares if he got charred up? That's what you get for going against the most powerful military in the world. And as much as you liberals are whining this is Bushs fault, ever thought to blame the Dictator at the center of it all?

#19 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 06:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

And as much as you liberals are whining this is Bushs fault, ever thought to blame the Dictator at the center of it all?

Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 06:49 AM | Reply

When we help create the Dictator aren't we as much to blame as the Dictator??

#20 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-23 07:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"America (and Jews) is the problem"

Sincerely,

Al Qaeda, ISIS and the DR Left

#21 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-23 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

You guys didn't watch many john wayne movies did you? They use to die without spilling a drop of blood.

And they usually had something memorable to say right before they died. And then JW would say something like, 'he was a good egg'.

And even his now fatherless son would find resolve as the scene slowly dissolved into the sunset.

#22 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-23 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

#21 - good hate baiting there.

#23 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-23 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's right Larry, stay liberal to your core. It's never anyone's fault except the country that protects you and allows you the ability to speak your mind.

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's right Larry, stay liberal to your core. It's never anyone's fault except the country that protects you and allows you the ability to speak your mind.

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-23 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

Protect Me from Iraq how exactly??? They are NO threat to Me.

#25 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-23 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I take it You have no factual rebuttal then just spew?? Figures."

If it makes you feel any better Larry I only recently learned that the slanted drilling claim seems to have originated from within Saddam's government.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-23 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There were 1,400 [Iraqi soldiers] in that convoy, and every picture transmitted until that one came, two days after the event, was of debris, bits of equipment," Tony McGrath, the Observer's pictures editor, was quoted as saying in the same article. "No human involvement in it at all; it could have been a scrapyard. That was some dreadful censorship."

The media took it upon themselves to "do what the military censorship did not do," says Robert Pledge, the head of the Contact Press Images photojournalism agency that has represented Jarecke since the 1980s. The night they received the image, Pledge tells me, editors at the Associated Press' New York City offices pulled the photo entirely from the wire service, keeping it off the desks of virtually all of America's newspaper editors. It is unknown precisely how, why, or by whom the AP's decision was handed down.

Great read and frightening really. War sanitized for public consumption is not the job of the NEWS.

#27 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-23 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

If it makes you feel any better Larry I only recently learned that the slanted drilling claim seems to have originated from within Saddam's government.
#26 | Posted by Tor

Saddam also claimed he didn't have any chemical weapons. That was true too. It seems you're a little slow on the uptake.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's right Larry, stay liberal to your core. It's never anyone's fault except the country that protects you and allows you the ability to speak your mind.
#24 | Posted by boaz

The whole point of this story is nobody would publish the photo.
The so-called "ability to speak your mind" that soldiers like you were out there "protecting" never materialized, Boaz.
Would you care to discuss that?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"And as much as you liberals are whining this is Bushs fault, ever thought to blame the Dictator at the center of it all?"

You mean the one that was supported by Reagan and Bush 1 while he was killing Iranians? The one Rumsfeld brought a cake to?

" No pictures of the same Iraqi Army as they were raping Kuwaiti girls? No? No pictures of them executing Kuwaiti citizens? No"

Oh, now we're back to the same b.s. that Bush 1 used to justify the Persian Gulf War. Babies on bayonets.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-23 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"And as much as you liberals are whining this is Bushs fault, ever thought to blame the Dictator at the center of it all?"

If he had attacked the United States you might have a point.
But he didn't, and you don't.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19 | Posted by boaz
"And as much as you liberals are whining this is Bushs fault, ever thought to blame the Dictator at the center of it all?"

Look, I understand that it's useful, even beneficial, for someone in your former line of work to see Saddam as "the Dictator at the center of it all."
I would imagine it greatly simplifies things.

But Hussein was not "at the center of it all."
He was a chess piece. From the front row. As, unfortunately, were you.
It's not easy for you to see because, unlike an actual chess game, pawns don't all look alike.

#24 | Posted by boaz
"It's never anyone's fault except the country that protects you and allows you the ability to speak your mind."

Which is, in fact, NOT what Larry said. If you have to have to practice distortion in order to make your point, you're only telegraphing that your point isn't that strong to begin with.
Fact is, far too many people were willing to blame "the Dictator" for being "at the center of it all", and look where it got us?

#32 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-23 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I heard rumors that there was video of human slaughter houses in areas that ISIS is operating. Mass executions and crucifixions, that is to be expected, they are Muslims and that is what Muslims do, especially to other Muslims.But that sounded too far out even for me to accept, sounds like that baby eater propaganda from WWII.
Sadly, it does exist, people hung from meat hooks, cut up like a bunch of sheep. It honestly looked like they were separating meat cuts from trophies. Heads, about 15 of them stacked neatly along a wall. headless bodies hung by their heals draining blood, tables filled with legs and arms. Is there any one out there who can't see what these people are? Is there anyone who has a moral relevance argument on this? .barenakedislam.com/2014/03/
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#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-23 08:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

But that sounded too far out even for me to accept

Hardly. What's too "far out" for you is that not all Muslims are bloodthirsty Jihadists just itching to put on a suicide vest, except when they're pretending to be the President.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

SNOOFY considering the volume of BS spewed by Saddam's regime you'd do well not to trust everything they said.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-23 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

SNOOFY considering the volume of BS spewed by Saddam's regime you'd do well not to trust everything they said.
#35 | Posted by Tor

Indeed.
But I can recognize when they're right.
So can history.
Can you?
Peace.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 11:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ministry of truth in place.

#37 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-24 12:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

No pictures of the same Iraqi Army as they were raping Kuwaiti girls? No? No pictures of them executing Kuwaiti citizens? No?

#19 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2014-08-23 06:49 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Nobody cares about those things. Those things interfere. The noly time you see "atrocities" committed by anyone other than us is when the media thinks it's a "good" war.

#38 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-24 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I can recognize when they're right."

Based on what?

At a glance it looks like no one aside from Iraqi's ever found any evidence for that claim.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-24 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

No pictures of the same Iraqi Army as they were raping Kuwaiti girls? No? No pictures of them executing Kuwaiti citizens?

And stealing all those incubators? Oh wait, that was a lie, too.

The only pictures I saw were Iraqi soldiers hung by Saddam for doing those nasty things you named. Any Americans ever rape and execute Iraqis, Vietnamese or Koreans and get their picture taken?

Deal with it Boaz, Iraq1 was a phoney war, based on Bush's lies and British colonial follies. Iraq2 was just icing on the cake.

#40 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-24 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most of the Iraqi soldiers were conscripts. The really bad actors in the Husein regime were the party functionaries. Kuwait did have a number of it's citizens murdered, raped and the whole ball of wax, Of course they were the last in and the first out, they ran and left the army to get slaughtered by the Americans. Most of the regular Iraqi troops I met were simply soldiers, not into torture, not into rape. Glad Saddam was out of power, and wishing we were gone. Of course they didn't want us gone as long as the the other side could kill them on a whim. As it was in Anbar.

#41 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-25 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

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