Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, August 21, 2014

A nine-year-old boy was shot in the chest, arms and hand Wednesday afternoon in a backyard on East 71st Street in Chicago a few blocks from his home, dying at a hospital an hour later of his injuries. Family members are looking for answers in the death of Antonio Smith. "I don't understand why anybody would do this," said his mom, Brandi Murray. "He was the type to make friends with everybody." Given the boy's young age, it's a bit strange that the Chicago Tribune story states that police "don't believe Antonio belonged to a gang."

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No whitey involved. Move on.

#1 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-21 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where is Jessie, Where is the President, Where is Sharpton? Where is the demand for Justice at this senseless act?

Where are they trying to get to the bottom of this?

Where are the state troopers being called out to handle the investigation?

Oh...just another young black killed because of some ---------???

Well we cannot make any political points can we? We cannot gin up hatred for the police and whitey can we? We cannot get people to sign up and vote for us with this can we?

Corky where is your demanding for justice? Danni - who are you going to blame for this one? Clown - what conspiracy killed this kid? Some white guy in a drive by shooting?? Some off duty cop wanting to kill black people???

#2 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Rightwing racism already rears it's head in the first two posts. Wow. Truth is, there is a big difference between a police shooting an unarmed man for no apparent recent and some gangbanger doing it. If you can't comprehend the difference, your racism runs too deep in your veins.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-21 06:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

"Wilcox got teary-eyed and flailed her arms in disgust when she learned the boy died. "I'm just going to put them in my prayers," Wilcox said of Antonio's family. "Everybody's killing each other."

Yes, that's a major problem....but nobody will even address the fact that 93% of black victims are killed by black perpetrators just like 85% of victims of other races are killed by members of their own race. BUT, the media and other powers that be would rather sensationalize this crap like Trayvon and Brown for political reasons. The "everybody" this woman refers to are describing members of her race in her own community.

#4 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2014-08-21 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well we cannot make any political points can we?
#2 | Posted by foshaffer

No, but you sure are trying hard!

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-21 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I can't even imagine a 9 year old in a gang much less the victim of gang violence. I can't imagine being the mother of a murdered 9 year old. My heart breaks that kids are being killed in this madness of an adult world that has been created. R.I.P. little boy.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-08-21 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

No whitey involved. Move on.

#1 | POSTED BY ROBTHOMAS AT 2014-08-21 05:59 PM | FLAG:

Ah, but "whitey" was indeed involved... The problem, the reason that there is little of the outrage you call for, is that "his" involvement is too subtle. A racially motivated police shooting just makes explicit the problem at issue in both this case and the case in Ferguson.

#7 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-21 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow. Truth is, there is a big difference between a police shooting an unarmed man for no apparent recent and some gangbanger doing it. If you can't comprehend the difference, your racism runs too deep in your veins.

#3 | Posted by moder8

First off the cop shooting the 'gentle giant' you refer to wasn't like you describe it.

Second, a black gang member shooting a 9 year old is far worse.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-21 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Ah, but "whitey" was indeed involved... The problem, the reason that there is little of the outrage you call for, is that "his" involvement is too subtle. A racially motivated police shooting just makes explicit the problem at issue in both this case and the case in Ferguson.

#7 | Posted by DirkStruan

Doesn't all tyhat spinning make you just a little sick?

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-21 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Second, a black gang member shooting a 9 year old is far worse.

#8 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-08-21 06:39 PM | FLAG:

No. Just no. It is not "far worse." The loss of life? Equally as bad. However police are representative of all of us as a society. No gang member represents all of us. No gang member makes government sanctioned killings, which is even more a problem when you remember "for the people, by the people": as in, police are carrying out our perceived collective will. So when they mess it up, it is far worse, as both an abuse of authority and blood on all our hands. Some scum outside of society does not have all that baggage attached.

#10 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-21 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 5

Terrible. More dead black youth.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't all tyhat spinning make you just a little sick?

#9 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2014-08-21 06:40 PM | FLAG:

You must run a great many traffic lights, seeing the world as black and white. Or should I say pretending to be color blind?

Honestly, how did America degrade to such a point where social/historical awareness can be brushed off as "spin?"

#12 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-21 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 I was about to say that.

#13 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-21 07:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Social awareness!!! You call blaming white people "social awareness," I call it racism .

The entire power structure in Chicago is black or liberal. Democrats have controlled Chicago for almost 100 years. It is the shining example of what liberal policies give you.

So have the Democrats been involved in doing injustice to this family? Where exactly has "whitey" been involved?

And Moder8. You still hanging onto the innocent kid line? After all the videos and eyewitness testimony and autopsy you still staying with that? I figured even you could read the hand writing on the wall. Or is your lack of education someone else fault as we'll.

#14 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Social awareness!!! You call blaming white people "social awareness," I call it racism ."

The privileged do not get to cry racism.

"The entire power structure in Chicago is black or liberal. Democrats have controlled Chicago for almost 100 years. It is the shining example of what liberal policies give you."

Oversimplified. Cities do not exist in a vacuum but are buffeted about by national and international political and economic forces that are white created and white dominated. Blacks are enslaved for centuries, oppressed for centuries more, "emancipated" but never given anything like equal access to resources and decision making power, and you think that they should magically be doing better after all this time? Or that the fact that black areas have some measure of (theoretical) local political power negates every thee factor working against these areas?

"Where exactly has "whitey" been involved?"

Centuries of oppression compounded by modern crypto-racists claiming that blacks are to blame for their situation and should be cut off from the meager social resources that they still have.

#15 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-21 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its just another example of the difference between the American Dream and the reality that is America. We live in a sea of lies.

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-21 07:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Corky where is your demanding for justice?

I've pretty much stayed out of the Ferguson threads because I didn't read much about it and I don't watch much TV, especially news.

But I got your justice right here, buddy.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

I support ending the war on drugs. I believe in it so much that I will give my vote to whomever wants to end it as well.

Beyond that, I don't know what in the hell else anybody wants from me to help the plight of black people.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 07:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

If America is so bad and so racist and dominated by whites - how come the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese have been so successful. Notice how well latino' s are doing. Maybe the idea that people owe you something vrs you have to work for it is the difference. Maybe " you cannot make it without us" message sent by Democrats has done more harm than good.

#19 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Maybe the George Zimmerman "hoodie thugs" assumptions about blacks sent by Republicans has done more harm than good.

Walking while black is still dangerous in Republican neighborhoods.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I put up a thread with a well thought out article by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar about "the coming race war" not being about race; check it out.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Corky- point out a single factual incident that backs up your point. So much of what you guys say and take as fact has no back up in reality. Just because you THINK something is true does not make it so.

#22 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 08:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Just because you THINK something is true does not make it so.

I love projection on the internet.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Put on some blackface, then go downtown and try to flag a cab. Try it in a few cites, take some selfies. Let us know how it works out for you.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If America is so bad and so racist and dominated by whites - how come the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese have been so successful."

You are comparing apples and oranges. These groups had very different experiences from the black community.

Also, Successful is a relative term. These groups are dramatically underrepresented in most areas of social, political, and economic life.

"Notice how well latino' s are doing."

Higher rates of poverty and unemployment, lower pay, and systematic discrimination across half the country? Yeah, they are doing swell.

"Maybe the idea that people owe you something vrs you have to work for it is the difference."

I think it is more likely that the difference is centuries of oppression. But then, that answer suggests that work still needs doing in the area of race relations, so I could see why you would rather take the easy way out and say that blacks are just lazy and entitled.

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-21 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

P.S Fosh: You didn't build this.

Rugged individual is a fairy tale for school children and a comfort to those seeking to justify they own comfort attained at the expense of others.

#26 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-21 08:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#26

"Like so many Republicans, I had assumed that society's "losers" had somehow earned their deserts.

As I came to recognize that poverty is not earned or chosen or deserved, and that our use of force is far less precise than I had believed, I realized with a shock that I had effectively viewed whole swaths of the country and the world as second-class people."

www.drudge.com

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#25

I'm not arguing against your position. I understand what you are saying.

But you'll never sell that as an explanation for the plight of black people. the only way to move forward on this issue it to first get blacks to start making better choices.

make better choices. If we can't get that going.....nothing else matters.

Again, I'm not saying you are wrong, but this country won't buy that.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Put on some blackface, then go downtown and try to flag a cab. Try it in a few cites, take some selfies. Let us know how it works out for you."

cabs are driven by white republicans?

if you are going to always pin this on white republicans, at least stay on the message.

BTW, why won't cabs stop for black folks?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, why won't cabs stop for black folks?
#29 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-08-21 08:29 PM | FLAG:

Because those Indians and Arabs are racist?

#30 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-21 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where exactly has "whitey" been involved?

Your trolling isn't worth a long response. But it is funny for you to imply there have been no whiteys in the power structure of Chicago the past 100 years. You can count the number of black mayors on one hand and still have three fingers to spare.

In fact, I'm holding one of them up for you now.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-21 08:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

#30

are they? why? I would think cab drivers are business people. they go where they can make money.

why not pick up black fares?

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#32 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-08-21 08:34 PM | FLAG:

Omg, don't argue my answer like it was serious! I was just filling in for 101 or something lol.

#33 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-21 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Love you too RCADE.

Please define a trolling comment since you have accused me of it at least twice. As I see it trolling to you is anyone that makes you think or points out the failure of liberal ideas or policies.

I know you must be very frustrated and upset as time after time things you thought were true are proven false.

In the words of John Belushi "my advice to you is to drink heavily" . It is only going to get worse as more policies that have been put in place create more and more misery for us all.

#34 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19, full of it pretends the blacks have created their own problems. In one sense he's right. American blacks are on average angry and being angry at the powers that be will get you nowhere fast. If you've ever visited the Virgin Islands you would notice the difference immediately when you meet poor black refugees from the Dominican Republic. They are extremely poor, yet very happy. Of course being happy instead of being angry hasn't done them a bit of good either. Both groups are in an engineered no win position.

#35 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-21 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#34, full of it pretends we live under failed "Liberal Policies". Social Security is a major liberal policy and success story from 1935. Since then efforts to dismantle it have risen repeatedly, unions have been dismantled, Milton Friedman and his Chicago boys has been worshiped, endless wars based on lies have become the budget busting norm, bankruptcy and usury laws have been suspended and laws put in place after the first great depression have been repealed causing a second great depression as the criminal financial sector gobbles up more and more from dollars earned in real production.

Dishonest Conservatives are behind all our countries problems. Reality is a bitch.

#36 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-21 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Dishonest Conservatives are behind all our countries problems. Reality is a bitch."

"All" is a strong word but okay.

But...... Spineless liberals didn't stop any of it. Reality is a bitch.

It's not hard for me to see it.

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-21 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please define a trolling comment since you have accused me of it at least twice.

Posting intentionally stupid remarks just to get a rise out of people and disrupt a discussion. You're exploiting this kid's death for your own agenda, which ironically is exactly what you're accusing other people of doing with Michael Brown.

Hint: Calling out people for not commenting only 20 minutes after a link was posted is classic troll behavior.

#38 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-21 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Social Security is bankrupt and had to be augmented by 401k's and has had to be changed multiple times to keep it afloat as the Democrats raped the trust fund for one social program after another. Medicare and Medicade both have had to be restructured as well to keep them afloat.

Unions have flourished in the public sector as they take their money to get Democrats elected who raise their benefits on the backs of the tax payers only to have it crash down as the cities go bankrupt. SEIU?

Liberal policy like the CRA where the drive is to give money people who cannot afford a loan while taking away the risk using Fannie, results in the full undermining of the entire credit market.

Give me a two policies over the last 6 years that have created more private sector jobs. Just 2.

Obama and the Democrats had more power than any single party has had over the 70 years holding all the reigns of power and we have ... what to show for it? Run away food inflation, high unemployment and lie after lie from a president who's foreign policy is in complete disarray.

But always want to blame someone else. At some point in time you need to take responsibility for something. But liberals never do. It is always because of something out of their control.

#39 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was pointing out the hypocrisy between the threads.

#40 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

There were no stupid remarks. Facts are facts.

#41 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-21 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#38 I would say making innuendo that you are giving someone the finger is pretty troll like behavior.

In light of this story, some black people are stupid, some white people are stupid, some asians are stupid, etc. This just happens to be a case of a stupid black person killing a kid. Why make it about more.

You don't have to rub democrats feces in their noses when they drop it all over. They eventually come back and eat it again without any help.

#42 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7

right on.

#43 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-22 03:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

in #39 full of it falls for the deceptive practices of the ruling class behind the curtain that loves to divide and conquer. Since Social Security passed Conservatives have been at war with it. Prescott Bush and JP Morgan (technically his lawyer) even planned a military coup to overthrow Roosevelt. Later Prescott Bush's grandson tried to privatize SS, so that the criminal 1% could get their paws on that money which is all they acre about.

Capitalism endures a crisis in employment, Banking, poisoning the air and water on a regular basis. Libertarian Conservative policies are the root cause of these crisis. The most recent crisis was a creation Conservative Libertarian Alan Greenspan. No one bears more responsibility than him, not even Shrub. The root cause of the periodic crisis with Social Security is unemployment. This crisis is also created by Conservative policies like NAFTA and offshoring of manufacturing. However, the Democrats are clearly more effective and responsible for making these legislative changes. There is no question about that.

Toxic subprime mortgages securities are a creation of Wall Street. Preventing the collapse of underwriting standards on loans is the responsibility of the Federal Reserve which looked the other way while Mortgage Brokers went wild preying on little old ladies and other poor people that should never have been targeted. Criminal Wall Street made billions securitizing the loans, then betting against them and finally being bailed out by taxpayers. This country is ruled by rich criminals.

Shawn makes the point that there is no difference between the parties and there is some truth to that because both depend on the same people to run their stupid ads on TV. TV and radio are a public resource and there is no reason why they should be completely controlled by private interests.

#44 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 07:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

What government program or intervention is going to change imbedded cultural norms?

#45 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-22 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nut. To believe in your version of reality you have to assume a conspiracy of wealthy that continues through generations, ignore that is democrats that bring up and depend upon race and economic levels to divide us (like you did again above).

You have to Ignore that capitalism has raised the standard of living in every country that has adopted it lifting 100s of millions out of poverty. That the very companies you decry for "poisoning the air and water" has made it possible for you to sit in an air conditioned room munching on Cheetos and pounding away on a PC while sipping filtered water and not having to worry about where your next meal is coming from.

To blame the "greedy" bankers for the sub prime mortgage disaster is to assume they are greedy for losing money. What banker knowingly lends money to someone they know cannot pay it back? The CRA and the packaging of these high risk loans caused it.

You are right that unemployment is a major issue. But you do not increase the issue by allowing millions more unemployed pour across the border unrestricted. You also do attack unemployment by passing regulation putting miners out of work, limiting the employment level of small business, increasing taxes pulling more money out of the economy.

The worst part -and the fundamental difference - is where you demean the peace that the US has brought to the world over the past 70 years.

Your world view is not based in reality. But if it were you would not be a liberal.

#46 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Walking while black is still dangerous in Republican neighborhoods.

#20 | Posted by Corky

Is walking while white in a black neighborhood safe?

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2014-08-22 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rightwing racism already rears it's head in the first two posts. Wow. Truth is, there is a big difference between a police shooting an unarmed man for no apparent recent and some gangbanger doing it. If you can't comprehend the difference, your racism runs too deep in your veins.

#3 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2014-08-21 06:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You don't know why the police shot 'an unarmed man', even though witnesses are on recorded videos saying the guy assaulted the officer and was charging him. Maybe that explains why all entry wounds are in the front of the victim.

Because this is a black on black crime the media has little coverage. Call it racism, like mental midgets do.

For some reason you have more issues when a cop kills someone in the line of duty than thugs running around with guns killing bystanders. The reason is obvious as I stated in my first post.

The truth hurts.

#48 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was little except abject poverty in this country until unions were organized. Some exceptions that led to wealthy families was homesteaders that enjoyed a level of freedom. Not so in the industrialized cities, until working people put their lives on the line and organized unions.

In our country today finance has trumped industry, pocketing 40% of all US Corporate profits compared to 3% in the fifties. This is insane. Finance is nothing but paper shuffling, an overhead on the real economies of farming, manufacturing (includes construction)and mining. Everything else is an overhead, politicians, doctors, lawyers, religion, conmen.....

No country has acted more belligerently than the USA since WWII. We have lost the moral authority which together with industrial might won WWII. Our Government has become the thing we fought, but pretends otherwise. The completely privatized mass media follows that official story line, which is a crock. The lives of almost everyone in Vietnam. Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, and now the Ukraine were completely destroyed in order to further the agenda of a secret Government in the CIA, DEA, NSA, State Department and Pentagon. Who we elect any more barely matters. Its the same ol' ----, with Bush or Obama, because they are public opinion managers for the secret Government, which is in charge.

#49 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Walking while black is still dangerous in Republican neighborhoods.
#20 | Posted by Corky

You clown. I'm watching a older black couples walking in our neighborhood as I type. And the neighborhood is GOP. But the man drives a BMW. So I guess to you he is just an Uncle Tom.

#50 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If America is so bad and so racist and dominated by whites - how come the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese have been so successful."
You are comparing apples and oranges. These groups had very different experiences from the black community.

#25 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2014-08-21 08:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

They do not subscribed to the black culture. Not all blacks do. Of those that do not most of them are successful and have stable families.

But keep blaming others. The DEMS love you.

#51 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

So Nut. The Russians did not kill millions in Afghanistan? which is now rather peaceful since we have been there (and not pulled out like Iraq). Saddam did not gas 10s of thousands of Kurds and there was no 10 year war between Iraq and Iran where they sent KIDS to the front lines to die? There was no killing in Syria without us? No killing fields in Cambodia after we pulled out of the region. No murdering of Vietnamese after we left? Panama is not better off now since we removed Noriega?

Ukraine was defanged by CLINTON and the LIBERALS who insisted that they give up the Nukes in exchange for our protection.

We really came to their defense didn't we...even though there was a treaty.

Funny how you conveniently ignore the millions killed BEFORE we showed up or after we left. NO ...it is JUST THE USA that is EVIL isn't it??

THAT is the mind set that ignores the truth and is what is driving our current foreign policy. Which is why the world is the mess it is now in.

#52 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nut - a card carrying member of the "Blame America" team. Sad that you live here.

#53 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Walking while black is still dangerous in Republican neighborhoods"

So true. I just saw this black guy get gunned down by some WASP sitting on his front porch. Looked like it was a 9mm, but I can't tell from this distance. He probably deserved it though.

#54 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-22 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

The problem is not among the black population as a whole; rather, it is due to a "small sub-culture that glorifies violence and lives and dies by the gun." It is the gang culture, characterized by widespread criminality, tribalistic warfare, through-the-roof unemployment, extremely high rates of out-of-wedlock births (72.1 percent among blacks in 2010), widespread welfare dependency, and nihilistic art typified by "gangster rap."

Of course the left will cry "racism" at anyone stating such facts, but such cries are ridiculous. Although skin color and genetic makeup obviously have no causal connection to this problem, a tragically large number of blacks in America (and many whites and Hispanics as well) choose the gang "lifestyle" or at least the broader culture that supports it. And leftist intellectuals feed this culture by promoting anti-value "art," moral relativism, the entitlement mentality, and welfare dependency -- all funded by forced wealth transfers.

The horrifying homicide rate among black Americans is the most visible and tragic symptom of a much deeper cultural disease. And the cure is a philosophy of reason, individual responsibility, productive work, and life-oriented values.

#55 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 10:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are correct. We did not invent imperialism. We are just the latest version.

Shrub thought Hussein had chemical weapons because we conspired with Germany to provide that technology, in order to hurt Iran, that is illegally murder Iranians by the thousands.

#56 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

People who don't understand why there are different reactions to questionable police shootings and criminal violence are indeed morons.

Criminals are not being paid by our government to do what they do. They don't represent the state. If they can be identified as having done something illegal, like shooting this boy, they go to jail. The outrage isn't there because violent criminals are punished.

Police are paid by our government and are representatives of the state. They are typically protected when accused of a crime. Its the lack out accountability that angers people.

If you can't understand these differences, you're an idiot. That is all there is to it. If you make arguments that fail to acknowledge these differences, you have no point. You're just very, very dumb for missing the obvious.

#57 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If you can't understand these differences, you're an idiot. That is all there is to it. If you make arguments that fail to acknowledge these differences, you have no point. You're just very, very dumb for missing the obvious"

- T.S. Garp

#58 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-22 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would take a step further. These criminals purchase their own weapons while the state provides weapons and training to police. They should only kill someone as a very last option. Instead of thinking like a occupying military force they should consider that they live in the same community. Their kids go to school w/ the same kids.

#59 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-22 10:11 AM | Reply | Flag: Angry with nothing to say so he nips at ankle

#60 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

#57 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-08-22 10:05 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Idiots push a narrative that deflects attention from the real issue.

There is no epidemic of police on black unjustifiable homicides. But pushing the narrative in attempts to put the blame for the miserable failure that is the 'black culture' is standard operating procedure. Especially for idiots.

You do not have a white on black issue, you have a black culture issue. Pull your pants up.

#61 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

A man, any man, is supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. When the police act otherwise, they are violating our Constitution. Rightie tighties are always pretending to care about that, but they don't really care, as long as it doesn't effect them. They don't care about killing anybody except themselves, their immediate family and blastulas.

#62 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

-I'm watching a older black couples walking in our neighborhood as I type.

There are still people who think that anecdotes prove facts?

How quaint.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-22 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

What government program or intervention is going to change imbedded cultural norms?
#45 | Posted by CaseyJones

Before we get into that, are you willing to accept the premise that those norms were created by centuries of government programs?

The reason I ask is because I'd like your estimate on how quickly government ought to be able to redress a situation brought by about three centuries of slavery and one century of Jim Crow, followed by a relatively short fifty years of on-paper equality.

I think it will take roughly as long to patch the hole as it did to dig it. We certainly haven't fixed it in one-eighth the time, and I don't expect we'll fix it anytime soon, not without significantly more government resources being applied.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I think it will take roughly as long to patch the hole as it did to dig it. We certainly haven't fixed it in one-eighth the time, and I don't expect we'll fix it anytime soon, not without significantly more government resources being applied."

good luck selling that. I don't think the democrats can sell that to themselves, much less anybody else.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy, do you think ending the war on drugs might speed up the process a bit from your estimate of 400 years?

400 years. you should work for the DNC and put that slogan on their letterhead.

LOL

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Idiots push a narrative that deflects attention from the real issue."

You're the genius who posted #1. Its obvious what you meant. And what I said explains why there will be no major media event in this case as opposed to when a cop kills someone under questionable circumstances.

I'm aware of the fact that you tried to change the subject in subsequent posts but I was talking about posts like #1, #2 and #4.

Must suck for you that there is no edit feature here, huh?

#67 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nut - Bull. But when an officer walks out of his house and puts his life on the line so you can sleep in bed at night - we need to support the decision they make - on OUR behalf.

If they kid would have stopped there would have been no issue. If he had not robbed the store it would have been no issue.

A person is innocent. But when they threaten the lifes of others everyone has the right to defend themselves - even the police.

#68 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Retort looks the daily crime report these days. A shooting here, a shooting there... Might as well watch local news, you won't find signs of intellectual life here.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-22 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Self-Segregation: Why It's So Hard for Whites to Understand Ferguson

One reason for the racial divide over Michael Brown's death is that white Americans tend to talk mostly to other white people.

For me, a white man, hearing accounts of how black parents teach their sons to deal with police is difficult to grasp as reality. Jonathan Capehart's Washington Post column after the Brown shooting contained a personal and poignant account of his mother's lessons to him as a young black man:

"How I shouldn't run in public, lest I arouse undue suspicion. How I most definitely should not run with anything in my hands, lest anyone think I stole something. The lesson included not talking back to the police, lest you give them a reason to take you to jail -- or worse. And I was taught to never, ever leave home without identification."

And national survey data suggests that the need for this kind of parental coaching persists in the black community today.

When given a choice between two traits that respondents believe their child should have, a 2012 PRRI survey found that African Americans are far more likely than white Americans to favor "obedience" over "self-reliance."

By a margin of three to one (75 percent to 25 percent), African Americans preferred "obedience" to "self-reliance;" among white Americans, only 41 percent preferred "obedience," compared to 59 percent who preferred "self-reliance."

www.theatlantic.com

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-22 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Nut - Bull. But when an officer walks out of his house and puts his life on the line so you can sleep in bed at night - we need to support the decision they make - on OUR behalf."

No matter how much exagerated BS you want to surround it with, claiming that we need to support every decision a cop makes is asinine. There are plenty of cops who are outright criminals. And the rest of them are human and just as prone to mistakes as anyone else.

Unconditionally supporting everything anyone does is stupid.

#71 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy, do you think ending the war on drugs might speed up the process a bit from your estimate of 400 years?
#66 | Posted by eberly

Yes, the War on Drugs turns out to be a step backwards. It became the instrument of racist policy after Jim Crow was repealed.

I said fifty years of on-paper equality, but that's not at all true when you look at sentencing guidelines for crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine.

The spinelessness of Democrats is on full display here. Along with the spineless of whatever percentage of Republicans that aren't racist. I give Eric Holder a tiny bit of credit for directing prosecutors to not mention the weight of drugs and thus avoid automatic harsh sentences. But really the only fix is to end the policy. And that would take Congress. And Congress, the House at least, is currently Gerrymandered into the hands of Whitey.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Never said "unconditional". But the thought of "innocent until proven guilty" does not extend to an attack.

This whole crowd (like the press) IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion that some poor kid had his hands up and the evil police shot him dead for no reason.

No support to "wait to see" what the circumstances were. We see the liberal demogogery out in force with Jessie and Sharpton ( a convict himself). AND YOU SUPPORTING THEM. Not the officer.

Now as the facts leak out we see ...not some innocent kid..no officer just willy nilly shooting someone for no reason (not very believable to being with). We see the protest and the rioting are NOT local ( of the 163 arrests only 7 were from that area).

Yet again the liberal template falling apart in the face of reality.

Cops have a hard enough job to do with cop haters like you.

#73 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

We also see this Innocent child on THIS thread getting killed and because there were no white people or police involved - you and the rest DO NOT CARE. No points to be made. No divisions to be created. No liberal narrative to be supported.

Just a dead kid who would be alive if someone else ran Chicago and it did not cow tow to the criminal element in the support of political correctness.

#74 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Never said "unconditional". But the thought of "innocent until proven guilty" does not extend to an attack."

No you just said that we need to support their decisions without mentioning any conditions that should be placed on such support.

"This whole crowd (like the press) IMMEDIATELY jumped to the conclusion that some poor kid had his hands up and the evil police shot him dead for no reason."

The locals were told by their neighbors that he was shot with his hands up. Whether or not that turns out to be true remains to be seen. But people were going by what they were told by their neighbors. You make it sound like all these people jumped to the same conclusion at once.

"No support to "wait to see" what the circumstances were."

The obvious problem with "wait and see" is that this is the most popular tactic when a cover up is in the works. They say wait and see and then when the attention is at a low they quietly say "Well we checked, no wrongdoing. Nothing to learn from this." If it were your kid that were killed, I'd bet that you would magically understand the problems with "wait and see".

"AND YOU SUPPORTING THEM. Not the officer."

You're making that up. I've never claimed that I know what happened. I have problems with both sides of the story.

"Cops have a hard enough job to do with cop haters like you."

Haters? What are you a twelve year old girl? Grow up, dummy.

#75 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We also see this Innocent child on THIS thread getting killed and because there were no white people or police involved - you and the rest DO NOT CARE. No points to be made. No divisions to be created. No liberal narrative to be supported."

I already explained why this jackassedness doesn't hold any water in #57.

Your inability to understand why people react differently to vastly different circumstances is not evidence of a flaw on the part of anyone else. It is evidence of your lack of intelligence and that is all.

#76 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I already explained why this jackassedness doesn't hold any water in #57.
#76 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-08-22 01:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

And you are wrong. Pull your pants up. Put the blunt down.

#77 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Odds are, based on the info in the story, that this was a gang-related shooting and Black on Black crime. I am not sure that, as a White person, I have any right to comment on this story really.

A police involved shooting involves me since cops and abuse are an issue that effects everyone, but since I am not a member of the Black community, I don't know if it is my place to criticize what happened.

I can give sympathy to the family and feel it is a horrible tragedy, but I am in no position nor do I have enough information to criticize or offer solutions.

#78 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-22 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ahh the liberal defense - call people stupid when you cannot argue the point.

As to #57 if you think COPS have no accountablity you ARE smoking something.

As to you supporting the officer "I occasionally watch Cops and I saw a scene earlier this year that perfectly illustrates the faux-victim mentality of modern police.....And yet the cop is not ashamed at all to claim he's scared. It was one of the most pathetic displays I have every witnessed and nobody on the scene seemed to recognize it as such. Its like we expect this type of disingenuous crybaby behavior from our officers now"

Yep ...a real unbiased supporter of the people who put thier lives on the line to protect you.

#79 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

A police involved shooting involves me since cops and abuse are an issue that effects everyone...
#78 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-22 01:59 PM | REPLY | FLAG

What police abuse are you referring to?

#80 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you are wrong. Pull your pants up. Put the blunt down.

#77 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I explained my position in detail. But I'm wrong because some simpleton who can't refute even one word from my post says so?

Umm, no. Either put up or STFU.

#81 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yep ...a real unbiased supporter of the people who put thier lives on the line to protect you.

#79 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can keep posting the mealy mouthed emotional arguments about cops putting their lives on the line for me all you want. No cop as ever put his life on the line for me. When you claim otherwise, you are lying.

Cops are responsible for enforcing the law. It is common knowledge that cops don't enforce the law against other cops. Therefore, cops are not accountable. Your refusal to acknowledge this reality is your problem, not mine.

If you want to be a groupie that is your choice but sell your BS to someone else.

#82 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can keep posting the mealy mouthed emotional arguments about cops putting their lives on the line for me all you want. No cop as ever put his life on the line for me. When you claim otherwise, you are lying.

#82 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-08-22 02:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Please tell us all about how you have been abused by the police. Until then either put up or STFU. [...]

#83 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Please tell us all about how you have been abused by the police. Until then either put up or STFU."

I told you to put up or STFU with regards to making a rational argument. Whether or not I have been abused by police doesn't make anyhting I've said right or wrong. The next logical thought you post here will be the first. [...]

#84 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#84 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-08-22 03:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You just said Police have never put their lives on the line for you. So you reject that they do that. But in your stuper, you accuse police of abuse. If you haven't been abused, how do you know they abuse. Maybe drunkeness and blunts impact thinking and the recollection of what really happened.

Pull your pants up. Put down the blunt.

#85 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-22 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"You just said Police have never put their lives on the line for you. So you reject that they do that."

I have never been in a situation where anyone has ever had to put their life on the line for me. I don't know how to make it any easier for you to understand. I'm sorry, I don't speak Retard.

"But in your stuper, you accuse police of abuse. If you haven't been abused, how do you know they abuse."

What do you mean how do I know that abuse occurs? Ever read a newspaper? Are you really portraying yourself as being so clueless that you don't know that cops sometimes abuse their power? You being incredibly misinformed is not evidence that I'm wrong.

I'm literally laughing at you because the idea that someone is writing this nonsese while thinking he's making good points is funny.

#86 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#57

****Criminals are not being paid by our government to do what they do.

#Acutally in the case of Obama, Pelosi, Ried and Holder that is not true ###

***They don't represent the state. If they can be identified as having done something illegal, like shooting this boy, they go to jail.

##AND SO DOES THE OFFICER. Here is just a small list of the ones recently dismissed. www.google.com

****The outrage isn't there because violent criminals are punished.

### AND SO ARE OFFICERS. They are held to an higher standard than a civilian. Here are just a few more. www.mlive.com abc13.com philadelphia.cbslocal.com

***Police are paid by our government and are representatives of the state. They are typically protected when accused of a crime. Its the lack out accountability that angers people.****

## They are MORE accountable than a Criminal. Do you ever see a criminal losing thier criminal job because they did not do it right? This alone makes your analogy ludicrous.

As to St Louis County. It is controlled by an independent board "The St. Louis County Board of Police Commissioners is responsible for the operation of the department . The Board sets policy, makes promotions, holds both closed and open meetings and coordinates with the Chief of Police in providing police services to the citizens. Four of the five members of the board are selected by the County Executive, following approval of the County Council, with the County Executive serving as the sixth member.As provided in the St. Louis County Charter, the St. Louis County Police Department operates under the control of a civilian board of commissioners appointed by the County Executive with the approval of a majority of the County Council. "

So Police are held to higher standard. Supervised and report to civilian authority. They can lose thier jobs due to any number of issues. They are under MORE scrutiny. They have Internal affairs investigate them as well as the DA. In THIS case you have the PRESIDENT of the US weighing in questioning your decision, the AG of the US flying in to insure you are prosecuted for SOMETHING. You have the press making up a story and not checking the facts before releasing it INCLUDING where you live and who your family is. At least as a criminal it is prefaced with "ALLEGED" not so for the officer.

***If you can't understand these differences, you're an idiot. That is all there is to it. If you make arguments that fail to acknowledge these differences, you have no point. You're just very, very dumb for missing the obvious.***

###Ahh the personal attack. Say something that is an asinine comparison on face value and then threaten anyone to disagree.

#87 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

So are we all pretending that "pull your pants up, put down the blunt" isn't racist, or what?

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Well, I believe that he made his way around up the street this way. My son was already this way, on this way headed over.

And either these guys over here saw the guy on the bike first and started shooting at him. And my son with either under the viaduct on his way and he was shot twice in the chest."

Police investigators and journalists failed to notice this "bike guy" information?

#89 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-22 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

###Ahh the personal attack. Say something that is an asinine comparison on face value and then threaten anyone to disagree.

#87 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not a personal attack. If you can't understand simple concepts that a person of average intelligence could understand, you're stupid. That is a completely objective conclusion

As for the rest of your claims, you are out of your mind if you actually think that cops are held to a higher standard than everyone else. Cops don't give tickets to cops and they don't arrest other cops unless its too public a crime let pass. It isn't even enough for cops to look the other way for other. They also give their families little ID badges that they can use to get out of trouble. I know a guy who would be in jail for half a dozen DUIs if his brother wasn't a cop. The last time he got pulled over he was absolutely wasted. The cops who pulled him over didn't know his brother or any of his brother's friends and didn't want to let him go even after they saw his special little ID. But they know that they can't bust another cop's brother. So they called in a couple of other cars. When one guy finally said "Oh, yeah, I know those guys", they not only let him go but they let him continue driving. There is no reason for these special IDs to exist other than for cops to extend their special protection to family members. One of the neighborhood miscreants when I was a kid was a cops' son. Same thing. He was let off dozens of times before even his father got so tired of him that he put the word out to stop letting him go. These aren't unique stories, everyone knows this stuff goes on.

If you think you can deny this stuff and still have credibility, you're wrong.

#90 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The highest rate of employed professional suicide is among psychiatrists and psychologists. The highest rate of incarceration is the police. Serpico is a true story and its a tossup whether its worse in New York, New Orleans or St Louis.

Fact is its more dangerous to be a garbage man than a policeman. Most cops are decent, but none want to take unnecessary risks, even down to scratching their fingernails.

#91 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cops even sell special protection. A friend of mine never gets tickets because he donates a few hundred dollars a year to some policeman's fun and gets a special card that he can show to any cop in the state, who will let him go for most infractions. Its is legal raqueteering.

#92 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure there are favors that are applied within the family of blue. But as a JOB function they are held to higher standard.

You just equated a criminal who SHOT someone...not a parking ticket..not a speeding ticket ...not Jaywalking... MURDER and said that an officer is not held to a higher standard when they shoot someone vrs someone else shooting someone.

Officer are EXPECTED to discharge thier weapons to protect themselves and the public. And they are held responsible ever time they do.

How many Murders have taken place and nobody knows who did it? Again ..the comparison is ludicrous.

You just prove my point about how liberals and you view the police and are more than willing to believe the criminal over the police.

It is THAT attitude that is typical of the left and why the respect for laws are so low.

#93 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sure there are favors that are applied within the family of blue. But as a JOB function they are held to higher standard."

So you admit that in certain cases they don't enforce the law - specifically against one another and their families. And their job is to enforce the law. But they are held to a higher standard how? There might be other professions where it is OK to not do your job sometimes but that is not the norm.

"You just equated a criminal who SHOT someone...not a parking ticket..not a speeding ticket ...not Jaywalking... MURDER and said that an officer is not held to a higher standard when they shoot someone vrs someone else shooting someone."

That's true. The first reaction is to cover the cop. Always. They won't even write each other speeding tickets and you think they are going to charge each other with murder? LOL

"How many Murders have taken place and nobody knows who did it? Again ..the comparison is ludicrous."

That you think this is even relevant enough to mention proves your desperation.

"You just prove my point about how liberals and you view the police and are more than willing to believe the criminal over the police.

It is THAT attitude that is typical of the left and why the respect for laws are so low."

Strawman blah blah blah another strawman. /scene

Yawn.

#94 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

to mr full of it, innocent until proven guilty is unnecessary. The police are free to be judge, jury and executioner. That's why Serpico was shot, by his own. During Katrina, its why one black man was shot dead by the New Orleans police who promptly covered it up and why Mississippi police would not let black people cross a bridge into their State under threat of death. If they dared do that to a white woman all hell would break loose.

#96 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 04:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

#95...and that is not Trolling RCADE???

Sully if you want to look at their junk be my guest.

I doubt if you be drinking with anyone but yourself.

As to charging them with Murder or any other crime I think I posted plenty of links to prove the point.

You believe cops are just criminals dressed in blue...I think they are the front line of maintaining civilization. But that is what make me a conservative and you a liberal.

#97 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

..and that is not Trolling RCADE???

HAHA! RCADE doesn't police trolls!

Grow up!

#98 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-22 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sadly he does.

#99 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

You believe cops are just criminals dressed in blue...I think they are the front line of maintaining civilization. But that is what make me a conservative and you a liberal.

#97 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-22 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Never said cops are criminals dressed in blue. Not a liberal. Doubt you're a real conservative. You come across more like one of those frauds who thinks voting GOP and licking boots is "conservative". It isn't.

#100 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-22 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cops are criminals in blue, OD green, and camo.
The clean cop is the exception, not the rule. That's why any thinking person is suspicious of them. On the other hand, when they encounter thugs, I tend to side with the one not caught on tape robbing a store and roughing up the owner.

Black people did not loot because of Michael Brown. It was a crime of opportunity. Unless flash mobs were pre-Michael Brown protests.

#102 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-22 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#102

that's right. if not for unfortunate events like the shooting of Brown, those neighborhoods are wonderful places where virtually no crime occurs otherwise. It's only when something like this happens that things get out of control.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#103

One of the witnesses, a young female, had just moved into the neighborhood after moving out from her parents house. Safe enough for her, apparently.

#104 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-22 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reading posts from the lefties around here you could easily get the impression the ferguson was mayville until that cop rolled up and opened fire on a gentle giant who was unaware of what sidewalks were for.

#105 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-22 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cops are the front line for maintaining the status quo and they understand this. That is why they treat rich, poor, black, white, men and women differently. But according to our constitution, they're not supposed to do that. Its the same in other countries, but its supposed to be different here. Just another big lie.

#106 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Safe enough for her, apparently."

ask her.

yep. that's the reason why everyone lives in the ghetto....because they think it's safe

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 05:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reading posts from the lefties around here you could easily get the impression the ferguson was mayville until that cop rolled up and opened fire on a gentle giant who was unaware of what sidewalks were for.

#105 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Only if you close one eye and then squint the other one like Popeye when you read.

#108 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-22 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

You believe cops are just criminals dressed in blue...I think they are the front line of maintaining civilization. But that is what make me a conservative and you a liberal.
#97 | Posted by foshaffer

You should have just posted Jack Nicholson telling the court YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-22 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

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