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A federal judge on Wednesday ordered the Justice Department to provide Congress with documents related to the "Fast and Furious" gunwalking scandal. U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson gave the department until Oct. 1 to hand the documents over to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which has been probing the issue for almost four years. The practice of gunwalking -- in which federal agents allow illegally purchased weapons to flow to high-volume arms dealers in an attempt to identify and track their whereabouts -- is prohibited by the Justice Department. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives made use of it at the end of George W. Bush's administration and the beginning of Barack Obama's as part of an operation known as "Fast and Furious."

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#1 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-21 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

lmao!

Issa is a loop... now that Ben Ghazzi! and the IRS have failed him.

Talk about, "back to the drawing board".

Next up: Issa demands Obama confesses to killing the Lindbergh Baby.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-21 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Interesting.

I never thought this scandal was so much of an indictment of the Obama administration itself. I always felt that it was just typical stupidity on the part of our bloated administrative state.

Having said that, I thought it was complete BS that Obama invoked executive privilege as I couldn't fathom how this program could tie into national security, which would be the only plausible reason I can think of to invoke Executive privilege.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 07:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

It would be a miracle if the criminals in our secret Government (CIA & NSA) were ever held accountable for their criminal behavior. Kinda like expecting Justice when a cop kills an innocent man. But in SLC an entire West Valley war on drugs unit was disbanded and the Chief replaced after one of the cops shot a female meth addict dead in the back as she was running away. That may not be perfect Justice, but it is more than nothing. Women and children are special. Men are not, especially if they are black.

#4 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gotta love this gem from our 'unbiased' media:

The scandal deals with a controversial practice known as "gunwalking," in which federal agents allow illegally purchased weapons to flow to high-volume arms dealers in an attempt to identify and track their whereabouts. The practice is prohibited by the Justice Department, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives made use of it at the end of George W. Bush's administration and the beginning of Mr. Obama's as part of an operation known as "Fast and Furious."

Operation Wide Receiver was terminated before Bush left office. Fast and Furious started up after Bush left office and it was a more reckless.

Of course, CBS makes it sound like the whole thing started under Bush and Obama merely continued it.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 08:09 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Can't wait for their version of 'Tokyo Drift'. Does Issa cover the character played by Paul Walker? If so, I've seen this movie before and look forward to the scene with Issa behind the wheel of a Porsche Carrera...

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2014-08-22 08:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course, CBS makes it sound like the whole thing started under Bush and Obama merely continued it."

Same victim, another day being victimized by the evil democrats.
Stay the Course!
Fifty Years to Judge!

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-22 08:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

www.washingtonpost.com

Republican lawmakers for eight months have been leading the probe into "Fast and Furious," the controversial ATF gun operation, and trying to determine who in President Obama's Justice Department knew what, and when they knew it.

But it turns out there was another gun operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives years before, using the same tactics of allowing guns to flow illegally onto U.S. streets and into Mexico. This operation was conducted under the Bush administration's Justice Department.

Selective Outrage Much.

#8 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

The story for me is that these federal agencies seem to operate autonomously with no oversight or accountability. But that aspect may be a smokescreen for the fact that they are indeed overseen at the highest levels with the faux detatchment offering plausible deniability.

#9 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-22 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Can someone explain why this is such a big conspiracy?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-08-22 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

I compare all investigations by the GOP today to the 9-11 investigation and whenever they delve deeper into any issue that they did into 9-11 I do not take them seriously. If the President could refuse to testify under oath, and only testify with Cheney in the room with him, about the worst terrorist attack in US history then things like Fast and Furious, Bengazzi and the IRS just aren't worthy of my attention.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

The IRS should be worthy of your attention. What happened there strikes at the very core of our Democracy.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The IRS should be worthy of your attention. What happened there strikes at the very core of our Democracy."

When we have a real investigation about what actually happened on 9-11 then I might consider such an insignificant controversy worthy of my attention. In reality though, the IRS investigation is a political witch hunt and everyone knows it, sorry I won't play along and pretend it's a big deal. Sue me.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was a bi partisan group chosen to do the 9-11 investigation. They wrote a book on the findings. It wasn't done by congress. Also, I don't think we should have a precedent of president's having to testify before congress. That political tool would be used to no end. Also,if the IRS was no big deal Lerner wouldn't have plead the 5th and they wouldn't have refused to turn over documents. You know it's wrong for them legally to have selected certain groups for applications to be given extra scrutiny you just like who they chose to do it to.

#14 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Danni, do you think congress should have hauled FDR in for testimony under oath? I mean the ---- flew half way around the world to Pearl Harbor which was much more obvious than 9-11.

#15 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni,

You don't think it's a big deal that the IRS was used as a political weapon? That Nixon unsuccessfully tried to weaponize the IRS ended up being in his articles of impeachment. If this had happened to liberal groups under a GOP WH you would have gone absolutely ------- and rigthly so.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

The big difference between Bush's program and Obama's is fast and furious wasn't tracking the weapons they were handing out. With the influx of weapons no telling who has them now. Wonder if has anything to do with all of the violence in south american now? The other difference is that a American border agent was killed with one of the guns Holder handed out.

#17 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

" If this had happened to liberal groups under a GOP WH you would have gone absolutely ------- and rigthly so."

Let's just get real Jeff, none of these political groups should be granted tax free status. You whine because some of them had their tax free status questioned when really all of them should have been denied starting with Karl Rove's American Cross Roads. This is a ridiculous controversy which basically is an attempt to demonize the IRS for doing their job. Then again, there is that 9-11 thingy, and you really expect me to give a crap about this? Don't make me laugh.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"If this had happened to liberal groups under a GOP WH you would have gone absolutely ------- and rigthly so."

There is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind of that, Jeff.

Quite frankly, it's absurd to waste your time reminding anybody.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

They applied different standards based upon politcal ideology, Danni. You love it because of who got targeted. Again had this happened to liberal groups under a GOP WH you would have gone ballistic. Don't pretend otherwise.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni thinks Crossroads is a completely diffferent animal than Organizing For Action.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

I guess we can mark down Danni as being down with the IRS being used as a political weapon as long as the Democrats benefit.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-22 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Can someone explain why this is such a big conspiracy?"

the suggestion of IRS targeting conservative groups for extra scrutiny is, by itself, not good but nothing to get all that excited about.

but when you ask a few questions of the director of the IRS and she pleads the 5th over and over? Then, when you subpoena emails and they are reportedly lost?.....well...that makes it a bit more interesting.

I have never thought that this would lead to Obama, as many partisans have hoped and it never will. But why plead the 5th, why lose the emails?

I don't know....but it's fun to watch.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Danni thinks Crossroads is a completely diffferent animal than Organizing For Action."

No I don't Jeff, though I doubt anyone at Organizing for Action is as evil as Karl Rove but truthfully, none of these groups should be getting 5014c tax free status. All this money flowing into our political system is destroying our country, undermining democracy.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

"but when you ask a few questions of the director of the IRS and she pleads the 5th over and over?"

Not good, but it's still debating about the details of a completely corrupted system and it's a waste of time and won't and isn't even intended to actually combat any of the corruption.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 11:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

As soon as Move on and Media Matters give up their same status we can discuss it. Lefties didn't care about this until the republicans started getting better at it.

#26 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh two party politics. The duking it out against each other to reach the mountain of righteousness. Only to find out the side is too steep to climb.

#27 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-22 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As soon as Move on and Media Matters give up their same status we can discuss it."

Personally, I'd get rid of all of the 501c organization if they are really political activists instead of real groups involved in public service.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"it's a waste of time and won't and isn't even intended to actually combat any of the corruption."

When it comes to you, Danni, there are 2 types of "corruption".

1. corruption that bother you
2. corruption that doesn't bother you

and it's all 100% partisan based. So spare us your faux outrage over "corruption".

We have been running dirty campaign ads with falsehoods to win elections for decades.

The problem are the idiots who watch them and vote based on them.

I agree we need to stop the amount of money being thrown into it....but ask yourself why it works so well.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kids,

This ain't really partisan hackery if you look at what they are looking into and when. For example, from this story:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives made use of it at the end of George W. Bush's administration and the beginning of Barack Obama's as part of an operation known as "Fast and Furious."

Both the Red and the Blue did this, so relax your partisan hackles. This is to close a door both sides have exploited wrongly and dangerously. We need to get to the bottom of this.

#30 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-22 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

What I find funny about all of this Fast and Furious spectacle is that the same people that don't want any regulations for people to buy guns are also the same people that are getting upset that bad guys bought guns. Also, the NRA blocked anyone from heading the ATF for many years and have also prevented tougher laws from being put into place to prevent things like this. You can't have it both ways.

#31 | Posted by rjgonzalez at 2014-08-22 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Personally, I'd get rid of all of the 501c organization if they are really political activists instead of real groups involved in public service.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not so partisan that I won't admit that Rove's group is primarily politics. On the other hand Media Matters is nothing but politics and attacking the gop. On the other hand I've heard some of these groups that register voters. Have seminars on government spending and debt. That provides a public service to citizens. You may not agree with their ideas but, it's not overtly partisan. They just have specific issues that are important to them. As far as I know Media Matters provides no public service to individual citizens.

#32 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-22 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When it comes to you, Danni, there are 2 types of "corruption"."

Just take the money out of politics and actually fix the system, that's all I want. I just can't take seriously the attempts by one side to pretend they are victims in a system they wouldn't fix if you paid them to.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I just can't take seriously the attempts by one side to pretend they are victims in a system they wouldn't fix if you paid them to."

of course the victimhood is --------.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-22 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You may not agree with their ideas but, it's not overtly partisan."

Baloney. YOu say that right after you pretend Media Matters isn't educating voters by destroying the propaganda bubble created by Faux News. Can't have it both ways.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-22 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11 Danni, very well put. I would add that the ------ witch hunts have gotten bigger and crazier since their boy Nixon was actually convicted. They want revenge, to even the playing field politically so to speak, even if it means destroying the economy and the country. The term ------ is most appropriate.

#36 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-22 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

You don't think it's a big deal that the IRS was used as a political weapon?

#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

But it wasn't. There is no evidence is was. Stop watching Glenn Beck.

So HOW did any of these groups suffer from the IRS not certifying them as a 501(c)(4)?

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-08-22 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But it wasn't. There is no evidence is was.

The evidence is overwhelming. This is not even remotely in dispute.

Stop watching Glenn Beck.

I can't stand Glenn Beck and avoid watching or listening to him like the plague.

So HOW did any of these groups suffer from the IRS not certifying them as a 501(c)(4)?

#37 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Are you serious? Why do you think these groups try to certify?

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-23 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

The only way this story is going to gain traction outside the right-wing loonysphere is if a new Fawn Hall emerges smuggling documents in her undergarments.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-23 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

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