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Wednesday, August 20, 2014

The entire right wing universe (including Drudge Report) is now screaming about this post by, yes, the Dumbest Man on the Internet again, claiming that anonymous sources told him officer Darren Wilson suffered an "orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket" in a struggle with unarmed teenager Michael Brown: BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered

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#1 | Posted by memyselfini at 2014-08-20 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumber than Karl Pilkington?

#2 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-08-20 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

littlegreenfootballs.com

#3 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-20 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

FTA:

It's possible that someone did leak this information to Hoft, but I'll remind my readers that Jim Hoft is probably the single most dishonest right wing blogger on the Internet as well as the dumbest, with a very long history of distorting facts and completely making stuff up to push his far right, often overtly racist agenda.

Okay DR Right Wingers, which one of you will come forth to admit you're really Jim Hoft?

Sali? You're the front contender.

Dix was the first person to bring up the blown orbital. Is Dix Jim Hoft?

AFKABL2?

so many choices...

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#3

Still sore you were caught regurgitating an outright lie?

#5 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-20 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Debunked so quickly. That won't stop it from being repeated often and vigorously.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-20 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

FTA:

The most common symptoms are bruising, tenderness and swelling around the eye; redness of the eye; double vision, ordiplopia (seeing two images at the same time); numbness of the cheek, nose or teeth; nose bleeds (epistaxis) [See figure 1].

Symptoms that typically indicate a more serious injury are pain on eye movement, double vision, air under the skin around the eye, and numbness of the cheek/mouth/nose on the side of the injury. Severe trauma may cause facial bone fractures, injury to the eye itself, and injuries to the skull/brain.


None of which is visible or present in any of the videos of Darren Wilson.

Matter of fact, other than a bit of pacing, Darren Wilson seems completely fine.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Still sore you were caught regurgitating an outright lie?
#4 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR

LOL!

I'm rubbing your face in dung.

1) he didn't rob the liquor store

2) he didn't fracture Darren Wilson's Orbital

3) he wasn't charging Wilson when he was murdered

4) Darren Wilson is a pathetic excuse for what a real cop should be.

5) you're wrong about everything, par for course.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

If this were true they should release some photos. I'm guessing this guy has not visible injuries b/c the police could do themselves a favor if they could release evidence that Wilson was injured in a fight.

#9 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-20 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

hotair.com

"Just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face, and then of course Darren grabs for his gun." And yet -- Josie doesn't claim that Brown busted Wilson's eye, a detail you'd think she would want to mention to emphasize the severity of the attack. Also, if you look back at the cellphone video captured by Piaget Crenshaw, you'll see Wilson standing by Brown's body with no apparent injury and seemingly in no distress from what allegedly would have been a nasty eye injury.

Most obvious of all, if Hoft's sources are right, why haven't we heard this already from Ferguson PD? It seemed odd when they let days go by before releasing the convenience store surveillance video of Brown, but there's an explanation for that in hindsight.

#10 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-20 02:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Also, it's hysterical that you would think I would take your word over that of the store clerk's and his attorney.

Michael Brown. Guilty of being a black man walking in the street.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"1) he didn't rob the liquor store"

Proven false.

"2) he didn't fracture Darren Wilson's Orbital"

No comment, unknown, all we know is that supposedly a source within the DA claimed it.

"3) he wasn't charging Wilson when he was murdered"

Charging is constant with the autopsy report and many witnesses.

Seriously, put that tail back between your legs before you look like an idiot yet again. If you have to lie then why bother?

#12 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-20 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7

Agreed.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"1) he didn't rob the liquor store"

Proven false.

By?

Not the store clerk. or else he wouldn't have hired an attorney.

Not the attorney. He stated that the clerk never called 911.

random person in the liquor store? that has yet to come forward?

And the proof is unsigned police documents?

My friend was mugged a while back and the reporting police officers took his statement and had him sign the paper work. Seems like it would be procedure.

But you know, if unsigned documents is all the proof you need then so be it.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"3) he wasn't charging Wilson when he was murdered"

Charging is constant with the autopsy report and many witnesses.

No its not.

more lies from Saliliar.

what more could be expected?

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"he didn't rob the liquor store"

he was borrowing the cigars?

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-20 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#12

We have gone through this, the police reports have been posted by a few different people for you to read. The video has been posted. No one could make that claim, you are obviously trolling now.

If you have a real point or something backed up by any fact whatsoever do go ahead but if all you have is the same disprove and idiotic garbage i am done with you. You know as well as anyone else that what you say is a lie, so knock it off.

#18 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-20 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

lets go over the facts again.

1) he didn't rob the liquor store. the clerk and the attorney both verify that along with the additional camera angles.

2) he didn't fracture Darren Wilson's Orbital

3) he wasn't charging Wilson when he was murdered. You're an absolute idiot if you think he was.

4) Darren Wilson is a pathetic excuse for what a real cop should be.

5) you're wrong about everything, par for course.

You gonna triple down on #5?

please go for it.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 02:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

seriously, I didn't know the video of Brown grabbing cigars and pushing the store's owner was being questioned.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-20 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here Eb, you watch and decide:

www.lewrockwell.com

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

FTA:

The initial police report claimed that an unnamed "patron" had contacted police to report a "stealing in progress." In a subsequent police interview, the witness claimed that Brown had reached over the counter and grabbed several packages of Swisher Sweets cigars and tried to leave without paying them. In the video above Brown can be seen reaching across the counter -- but it appears that money is left on the counter, and accepted by the clerk, before Brown calmly walks toward the exit.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

funny how an unknown patron is the crux of Michael Brown being a "thug criminal".

I had asked this in the other thread to which no one could answer.

Does Michael Brown have any prior criminal records? Any at all?

Otherwise, we're expected to believe that on that day, Michael Brown decided to rob a liquor store, tried to steal a gun from a police officer, then ran away, and suddenly decided to turn around and charge the police officer, who had a gun drawn and had already fired a shot.

That was quite a day for Michael Brown.

so. what happened that day? did Michael Brown hit "thug" puberty?

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

the video doesn't answer any questions about any money. you can't see any of that.

we're going to have to ask the store clerk.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-20 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"seriously, I didn't know the video of Brown grabbing cigars and pushing the store's owner was being questioned."

It's not, not by any sane people anyway.

#25 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-20 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't have audio...

But is the guy in the video actually Wilson?
www.eurweb.com

I thought he was told to lead the scene?

Also there is a truck in the parking lot, is that the police truck?

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-20 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Does Michael Brown have any prior criminal records? Any at all?"

like you care anyway. if he had one, you would insist we ignore it. If he doesn't have one, you want us to take that into consideration.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-20 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

like you care anyway. if he had one, you would insist we ignore it. If he doesn't have one, you want us to take that into consideration.
#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

LOL!

Now who's angry?

I do care. why else would I ask?

Honestly. If he had a prior criminal record that would indicate a greater chance that he was at fault. He may actually be the "thug criminal" he's portrayed as being.

If he has no priors then why did he, this one day, start acting out? robbing, fighting with cops for a weapon, and then attempting to take one out by charging him while he was getting shot at.

If you cannot comprehend the relevance then so be it.

But to write it off as if I don't care? thats funny.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Next time, try answering the question rather than trying to be snarky.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 03:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Freeman Bosley, the attorney for Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown at the time, confirmed that they had in fact entered the store and cigarillos were taken, and that Johnson had informed the FBI, DOJ, and St. Louis County Police of this fact.[45] In previous interviews, Johnson described the events of the shooting but did not mention that he and Brown had been in a convenience store just before, or that Brown had stolen anything.[45] Police Chief Jackson said that Johnson would not be charged in the alleged robbery stating that they had determined he did not steal anything or use force.[84]"

#30 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-20 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here....lets say (hypothetically) he stole the cigars, pushed the store owner, was walking down the middle of the road talking smack, and even turned towards the police officer and 'rushed towards him'...is there need for 6 bullets?

why not mace or taze? why not 1 or 2 bullets low? I just think this was overkill.

#31 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-20 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"is there need for 6 bullets?"

When there is a threat you do not stop squeezing the trigger until the threat is gone. 6 rounds can easily be fired in just a couple of seconds, it's not like he stopped and took aim for each shot.

" I just think this was overkill."

It might have been, but IF there was a legitimate reason to shoot him would you play it better safe than sorry?

If this is justified then the force used is about what you would expect from someone with training.

#32 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-20 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

This can't be right. The young angelic sweet young man I saw and have heard about would never be able to do this....

#33 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-20 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, if it can be so easily debunked, care to do it? I have seen nothing that debunked it yet.

#34 | Posted by ABH at 2014-08-20 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

littlegreenfootballs.com

#35 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-20 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

You want to debunk it?

Look at any if the video footage of him pacing in the street.

He's completely fine.

It's amazing how willingly America's subjugated masses will believe anything the media tells them to believe.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-20 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for the link Larry,
Jim Hoft is probably the single most dishonest right wing blogger on the Internet with a very long history of distorting facts and completely making stuff up to push his far right agenda.

"In the video taken by an eyewitness immediately after the shooting, officer Darren Wilson is seen walking calmly around the body with no signs of discomfort or injury"

#37 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-08-20 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think Orbital Blowout would be a cool name for a band.

#38 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-20 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

From the article in #2:

And there's more evidence that Hoft is trying to pull a fast one again; here is the original image posted at the AAPOS site, showing a CT scan of a blowout fracture (on the left), compared to the image posted at Gateway Pundit by Hoft (on the right)...Notice the difference? In the version posted by Jim Hoft, the text at bottom right that says "UNIV OF IOWA" has been crudely erased. Caught you, Jim.

Was Hoft trying to mislead his readers into thinking this was the actual X-ray (or CT scan) of Darren Wilson? His text does not make it clear it wasn't Wilson's CT scan -- and the words "UNIV OF IOWA" have been blacked out, quite deliberately.

If Hoft's intent was to mislead, it worked. All over Twitter and right wing blogs, the wingnuts are raving about "Darren Wilson's X-ray" that shows a fractured eye socket -- but this is just a generic example image of an unknown person's CT scan.


HAHAHA!

Truly despicable.

#39 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-20 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think Orbital Blowout would be a cool name for a band.
#4 | POSTED BY DEADSPIN

Yes. And I always thought Sa†an's ---- was a good band name.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-20 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

^ Especially for a Korean Pop band.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-20 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

You want to debunk it?
Look at any if the video footage of him pacing in the street.
He's completely fine.
It's amazing how willingly America's subjugated masses will believe anything the media tells them to believe.

#5 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2014-08-20 04:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I agree he looks "fine" in the video.

But, if he was examined by physicians following the incident and the physicians and his medical records indicate that his "orbital socket" was crushed will you just assume at that point that his doctors are part of a police conspiracy?

#42 | Posted by anton at 2014-08-20 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Lee I posted this at 2:18 this afternoon!

#43 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-08-20 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In the video taken by an eyewitness immediately after the shooting, officer Darren Wilson is seen walking calmly around the body with no signs of discomfort or injury"

LOL

#44 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-08-20 05:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

FTA:

The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.

Took the death of a teen and the potential loss of career of a cop with a clean record to finally get DASH CAMS!?!?

I remember seeing dash cam footage on COPS from the early nineties. This is really sad.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-20 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Given the amount of total BS that's come out of the Ferguson PD, I'm gonna need to see photos and a Dr's report before I buy it.

#46 | Posted by morris at 2014-08-20 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

1) he didn't rob the liquor store. the clerk and the attorney both verify that along with the additional camera angles.
#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2014-08-20 02:58 PM | REPLY | FLAG

What are you blathering on about? They said that nobody employed by the store reported it. that's all they said. A call was definitely made and the video definitely shows a robbery.

You may well be actually insane.

#47 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-20 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

youtu.be

#48 | Posted by zack991 at 2014-08-20 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#29 He did have a prior criminal record before the shooting. He was caught on tape stealing from a convenience store and physically assaulting the owner.

#49 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Orbital fracture? Why is it that rightwingers seem to be praying that this is true?

#50 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-21 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Orbital fracture? Why is it that rightwingers seem to be praying that this is true?

#50 | POSTED BY MODER8

I would hope that most people would be praying this is true.

Why?

Because it would mean that the shooting may have been justified, which is the best possible outcome of this whole ordeal.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-21 12:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Orbital fracture? Why is it that rightwingers seem to be praying that this is true?

#50 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-21 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Their desperation for this to be true is palpable. WHY because it justifies their hatred and their blind loyalty to authoritarian Law Enforcement.

#52 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-21 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eyewitness testimony? Perhaps the most unreliable form of testimony there is.

www.scientificamerican.com

#54 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't remember lefties gettin all upset about authoratarian law enforcement when they shot that woman in the face holding her baby in Idaho. I don't remember lefties getting all upset about authoratarian law enforcement when the slaughtered thos children in Waco.

#55 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-21 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#54 And this is what the police are supposed to be there for, to get as many statements as possible (You are more likely to result in accurate understandings of events with different statements than if you have a bunch of statements the same) and keep the individuals making statements in the dark about the statements other individuals made. You do not allow for possibility of intentional collusion or unintentional story melding.

This is also why the police in Ferguson are not releasing witness testimony they have for the matter and why the gust who called into the radio show with the alleged statement from the officer behaved foolishly in doing so.

#56 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Heur didn't read the link.

#57 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#55 I don't remember what the woman in Idaho and the Waco situation have to do, specifically, with this situation.

Don't confuse your Ass with a Mule.

#58 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Per link in #54:

Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses.

#59 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#57 I did read the link. I am also making statements from legitimate police investigators who have to deal with milquetoast canards like this on a regular basis.

#60 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#59 An investigation does not necessitate a good investigation. Incompetent investigators render incompetent investigations. Cases tried in the media lead to stupid people jumping to exponentially more stupid conclusions.

#61 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't remember lefties gettin all upset about authoratarian law enforcement when they shot that woman in the face holding her baby in Idaho. I don't remember lefties getting all upset about authoratarian law enforcement when the slaughtered thos children in Waco.

Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-21 12:53 PM | Reply

Ruby Ridge August 21 1992 when GHWB was still President. I was appalled at Clinton for Waco. Totally unnecessary.

#62 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-21 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Error-Prone IDs
A number of factors can reduce the accuracy of eyewitness identifications. Here are some of them:

Extreme witness stress at the crime scene or during the identification process.
Presence of weapons at the crime (because they can intensify stress and distract witnesses).
Use of a disguise by the perpetrator such as a mask or wig.
A racial disparity between the witness and the suspect.
Brief viewing times at the lineup or during other identification procedures.
A lack of distinctive characteristics of the suspect such as tattoos or extreme height.

How many of those apply to this case? I count 4.

#63 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

When this article discusses two or more mistaken witnesses it is talking about witnesses that have almost the same story.

The less witnesses you have and the more similar their stories are, the weaker the case you have.

You want many witnesses and you want differences in their stories. A case should almost never rely on the witness account of a single individual, if possible.

#64 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 01:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

#63 I see 3 of them, what are you counting as 4?

I see the first, second, and fourth. The others don't seem to apply.

#65 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

#65.

The four I see are this:

Extreme witness stress at the crime scene or during the identification process.

Presence of weapons at the crime (because they can intensify stress and distract witnesses)

A racial disparity between the witness and the suspect.

Brief viewing times at the lineup or during other identification procedures.

#66 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your article also makes clear why any physical evidence that can be appropriated is of utmost importance. This article has more to do with the jury and public's foolish reliance on witness testimony while excepting the physical evidence or having only witness testimony and no physical evidence than it has to do with witness testimony being completely unreliable and useless in and of itself.

#67 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

#66 How does the fourth selection apply? He wasn't initially, if at all, looking for the subject based on a lineup or identification procedure.

The confrontation over walking in the street was a regular traffic/warning kind of situation. No special identification process.

#68 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#66 How does the fourth selection apply?

Because people weren't staring knowing something was about to happen. They reacted to it already happening. It went down quickly thus a "brief viewing time."

#69 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 I see what you are saying now, but I don't know if that is what was in mind in the context of the article. It seems to be discussing structured identification procedures outside of the actual real time incident.

#70 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-21 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know if that is what was in mind in the context of the article

I think it was because they speak of "other identification procedures" which I assume to include witnessing the actual event.

Could be wrong about that though.

#71 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-21 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

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