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Monday, August 18, 2014

Errol Louis: The indictment and possible trial of Texas Gov. Rick Perry for allegedly applying illegal coercion to a district attorney will complicate -- but not kill -- his all-but-certain run for President in 2016. It's a sure bet that voters outside of Texas will forgive, ignore or overlook any outcome short of a conviction. Perry wouldn't be the first modern presidential candidate to hit the trail with a scandal clanging in the background like noisy cans tied to the back of his campaign bus. But history suggests that a messy local political scene, with all its feuds and ethical shenanigans, is rarely a deal breaker on the national stage.

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This is not to suggest that Perry's local troubles won't have a national impact. His indictment may scare away some potential supporters, making it harder for him to line up donations and early political support in this crucial pre-election season.

And a conviction -- highly unlikely but possible -- would surely end Perry's presidential hopes.

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Ask the question in 2016

#1 | Posted by danv at 2014-08-18 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd rather elect an empty chair than any of the current likely candidates.

#2 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-08-18 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is really bad timing for Perry. I don't see big donors getting behind him as long as this indictment is hanging over his head.

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2014-08-18 05:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

When was Rick Perry ever a viable Presidential Candidate?

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-18 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

One of nine, count 'em (9) derelict candidates the Rethugs fielded during the last election cycle. Raving idiots that at least pretend not to believe in evolution, global warming etc, etc, etc...... because they are pandering to evangelical Christian lunatics that include lunies like snake charmers.

#5 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-18 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

BS! He was done based on his previous showing. This is just icing om the cake. The additional facts about his tenure as governor will make him an also-ran.

A trained seal could have run texas, with it being the nucleus of the worldwide oil trade, but yet he seems to have managed to have the most poverty and the most uninsured.

Stick a fork in that turkey.

#6 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hopefully this article will rile up people like AFK to start the Texas secession petition again.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-18 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

I will never forget, the 2012 GOP presidential primary debate, when Captain Stephen Hill, who was putting his life on the line in Iraq, was booed by the right-wing-idiots in the audience.Rick Perry, Willard Romney-care and the rest of the spineless, gutless chicken-hawk manikins on the stage said nothing.
The outrage expressed on Captain Hill's behalf by, soldiers and veterans , and his commander in chief. spoke volumes to the haters-rubes on the Right

#8 | Posted by SammyAZ_RI at 2014-08-18 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Jak is taking this news very hard

4.bp.blogspot.com

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-18 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

When was he afloat?

#10 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2014-08-18 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

A trained seal could have run texas, with it being the nucleus of the worldwide oil trade, but yet he seems to have managed to have the most poverty and the most uninsured.

Stick a fork in that turkey.

#6 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah that would have anything to do with hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of illegal aliens from south of the border sucking up every last resource, nah nothing to do with that.

#11 | Posted by danv at 2014-08-18 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yeah that would have anything to do with hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of illegal aliens from south of the border sucking up every last resource, nah nothing to do with that."

Oh gee, then never mind about the charges against Rick Perry.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-18 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rick Perry is a MORON The country learned just how dangerous it is to elect a moron from Texas. He thought by getting glasses people would forget that he is a dumb hick.

#13 | Posted by ron81 at 2014-08-18 08:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh gee, then never mind about the charges against Rick Perry.

#12 | POSTED BY DANNI

Completely bogus charges that will go away very quickly.

Setting aside the indictment, I think he'd have a really difficult time appealing to a broad enough group of people to win the general.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-18 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush = white male fascist pig

Obama = black male fascist pig

Hillary white female fascist pig

Mission accomplished = Hope and Change = _______________.

#15 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-18 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

a VERY left wing liberal seems to think this whole thing is not what "you people" want...

www.newsmax.com

#16 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-18 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hopefully this article will rile up people like AFK to start the Texas secession petition again.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-1

AHHH hA....the groups ACTIVELY involved in doing just that don't have to be riled up by this. YOUR president does that every time he opens his mouth....lol

Rick Perry is a MORON The country learned just how dangerous it is to elect a moron from Texas. He thought by getting glasses people would forget that he is a dumb hick.

#13 | Posted by ron81 at 2014-08

and we have learned that just because you can read glib feel good lies and fraudulent statements doesn't mean that you're NOT a liar and a fraud.....

BUT here we have yet ONE MORE left wing ULTRA liberal telling us his idea on this POLITICAL SHAM all to protect the HEAD of an integrity unit and who was drunk at THREE Times the legal level.....

www.newsmax.com

#17 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-18 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yer funny, babbles.

LOL!

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#18 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-18 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thats not the real question. The real question how badly is SHillary gonna flame out?

I mean its not like she's even gonna get the Democrat nomination but you wouldn't know that by the lame stream media's attempt to carry her water.

#19 | Posted by mcmlcxx at 2014-08-18 10:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's not dead yet...
I look forward to this dork REALLY setting himself on fire over some issue, real or imagined, in the coming year or so. Laughably pitiful for so many to think that wearing his wife's glasses make him look smart, that riding in a boat on the Rio Grande while with a bunch of gun freaks makes him a military expert, or that getting out of the way of economic revitalization makes him a leader...

#20 | Posted by catdog at 2014-08-19 08:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

He'd get away with the glasses if he was a Community Organizer.

#21 | Posted by wisgod at 2014-08-19 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

When was Perry ever a legitimate candidate?

#22 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-19 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Free advertising for Gov. Perry.

#23 | Posted by sames1 at 2014-08-19 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Public Integrity Unit is largely funded by the Texas Legislature. That money isn't earmarked for Rosemary Lehmberg; it's earmarked for the oversight function of the Travis County DA's Public Integrity Unit. It is that money that Perry threatened to line-item veto if Lehmberg did not resign. When she did not, and Travis County opted not to remove her, Perry then yanked the funding. Afterwards, he continued to make offers to restore the funding in exchange for Lehmberg's resignation, according to media reports. One account says he signaled that he would find Lehmberg another well-paying job within the DA's office. Had she resigned, Perry would have appointed her successor.

The criminal case against Perry centers on his "coercion" of a local elected official using threats and promises. It is not premised -- as has been repeatedly misreported -- on the veto itself. Craig McDonald, the head of Texans for Public Justice and the original complainant, has said as much. As McDonald told CNN:

"The governor is doing a pretty good job to try to make this about [Lehmberg] and her DWI conviction. But this has never been about his veto of her budget and about her. This is about his abuse of power and his coercion trying to get another public citizen to give up their job." webcache.googleusercontent.com

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-19 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#24 | Posted by tonyroma

The idiots involved here will never comprehend that notion, even after Perry is convicted.

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#25 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-19 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The governor is doing a pretty good job to try to make this about [Lehmberg] and her DWI conviction. But this has never been about his veto of her budget and about her. This is about his abuse of power and his coercion trying to get another public citizen to give up their job."

So, he didn't violate the law by vetoing her budget?

Why he did it is what made this an illegal act?

I asked this before (on a different thread) - had he said nothing ahead of time and simply vetoed the appropriation and given no reason this never would have gone to a grand jury?

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Is Rick Perry Sunk as a Presidential Candidate?"

About as much as Tim Tebow is sunk as a likely Super Bowl MVP.

In other words, seriously??? This is an actual question?

#27 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-19 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even without this, he would not have been able to challenge Hillary Clinton. I think the Repubs. should beg Ben Carson to run against Hillary. His book is outselling hers right now.

#28 | Posted by aspendougy at 2014-08-19 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, he didn't violate the law by vetoing her budget?

Why he did it is what made this an illegal act?

No and partially yes. Other lawyers are saying that Perry should have been charged with obstruction of justice since his veto stopped ongoing investigations involving his own office and political donors.

I asked this before (on a different thread) - had he said nothing ahead of time and simply vetoed the appropriation and given no reason this never would have gone to a grand jury?

Not necessarily, see above. But his offer to let the DA have another "high-paying position" (if true) certainly is telling about his real motives, particularly since two other TX DAs got DUI's and Perry didn't issue a peep.

#29 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-19 06:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

No and partially yes.

This is why I think this case will be quickly thrown out. The veto wasn't illegal, but the motivations behind the veto were partially (at best) illegal. Change the motivations, lie about the motivations or simply not reveal the motivations and the legal argument all-but vanishes. Add to that his objection to her staying in her current capacity is NOT an unreasonable position and, well, in all likelihood this indictment dies a quick and painful death.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Other lawyers are saying that Perry should have been charged with obstruction of justice since his veto stopped ongoing investigations involving his own office and political donors.

That is the gravamen of Count II of the indictment but there are two problems. It appears Perry's veto is covered by an exception in the statute and the First Amendment protects the threat.

#31 | Posted by et_al at 2014-08-19 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I thought Perry ended his presidential hopes with his big OOPS!

abcnews.go.com

This little episode is just the coup de grâce to that useful idiot.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-19 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

As if he ever had a chance.

Outside of the loonies in the far right he has zero appeal.

#33 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-19 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rick Perry Rockin' New Prison Tats

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-19 11:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

When was Perry ever a legitimate candidate?

#22 | POSTED BY CASEYJONES AT 2014-08-19 09:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

You are going to make Bubbles cry.

#35 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-20 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Speculation on a presidential champagne two years+ out is a pass time for old men in barber shops, isn't there more pressing things to consider?

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-20 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Speculation on a presidential champagne two years+ out is a pass time for old men in barber shops, isn't there more pressing things to consider?"

Pop out the bubbly, yes there is.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-20 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

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