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Sunday, August 17, 2014

Mark Steyn: The "narrative" of Ferguson, Missouri changed somewhat today. But, amid the confusion, the blundering stupidity of the city's police department remains consistent. ... [W]hen the police are dressed like combat troops, it's not a fashion faux pas, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are. Forget the armored vehicles with the gun turrets, forget the faceless, helmeted, anonymous Robocops, and just listen to how these "policemen" talk. Look at the video as they're arresting the New York Times and Huffington Post reporters. Watch the St Louis County deputy ordering everyone to leave, and then adding: "This is not up for discussion." Really? You're a constable.

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You may be carrying on like the military commander of an occupying army faced with a rabble of revolting natives, but in the end you're a constable. ...

Which brings us back to the death of Michael Brown. Let's assume for the sake of argument that everything the police say about this incident is correct. In that case, whether or not the fatal shooting of Brown is a crime, it's certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you're doing it wrong.

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FTA: A startling number of American readers wrote to say, with remarkable insouciance, that the US could not afford the luxury of First World policing. Large tracts of America had too many illegal immigrants, drug gangs, racial grievances, etc. Maybe. But the problem is that, increasingly, this is the only style of law enforcement America's police culture teaches - not only for the teeming favelas, but for the leafy suburbs and the rural backwaters and the college-town keg party, too.

Which is to say that one day, unless something changes, we will all be policed like Ferguson.

Excellent article. And extremely salient point.

#1 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-17 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

The Devil must be ice-skating. Mark Steyn FINALLY said something intelligent.

#2 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-17 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Let's assume for the sake of argument that everything the police say about this incident is correct... When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you're doing it wrong.

You said for the sake of argument you were going with the police line on the Mike Brown incident. That's pretty freakin' far from the police line.

LOL

#3 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-17 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's assume for the sake of argument that everything the police say about this incident is correct... When an unarmed shoplifter* in T-shirt and shorts with a five-buck cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you're doing it wrong.

But thats not what happened..... here is some pretty interesting eye witness details....
www.ijreview.com

Oh yeah BTW all hell is breaking loose in Ferguson..
fox2now.com

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-17 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Early reports of an officer having been shot tonight: www.thegatewaypundit.com

#5 | Posted by anton at 2014-08-17 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can't find any corroboration though. I hope it's an error.

#6 | Posted by anton at 2014-08-17 11:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hear is what I know.
Police are suppose to maintain peace. The military is about force. There is nothing peaceful about it.
The police are suppose to protect. The military is set up to kill, the only ones they are reasonably good at protecting are themselves.
The police are suppose to maintain order, the military is designed to create chaos.
The police are suppose to police the streets, the military occupies an objective.
Now if you dress up cops to look like soldiers, bazinga, they act like soldiers.
What is the point of all this crap? Are we at war with ourselves? Don't we already have enough enemies with out recruiting some more domestically?
Just asking.

#7 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-18 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Why hasn't the Ferguson PD installed dashcams in their cruisers? Seems like they have millions of dollars of everything else.

They probably don't want a recording of their interactions with the public.

#8 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-18 01:42 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#8 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Obama considers dash cams "weapons of war that dont belong on our streets"

But surplus MRAPs arent...

#9 | Posted by aescal at 2014-08-18 02:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama considers dash cams "weapons of war that dont belong on our streets"

#9 | Posted by aescal

You're going to have to provide a credible source for that whopper

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-18 02:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like South Africa on the TV.

#11 | Posted by GUNDERFUNK at 2014-08-18 03:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like South Africa on the TV.

#12 | Posted by GUNDERFUNK at 2014-08-18 03:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

"A startling number of American readers wrote to say, with remarkable insouciance, that the US could not afford the luxury of First World policing."

We have way too people in this country who seem to crave third world status. They're sorry excuses for Americans but they vote.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-18 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

The blundering stupidity comes from the rioters. You got that headline wrong. I dont care what color they are, we have way too much tolerance for people who contribute nothing to the betterment of society. Rioters need to be put down like rabid dogs. This crap has to end.

#14 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-08-18 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The blundering stupidity comes from the rioters. "

Were you as tough on the Bundy militia who aimed loaded weapons at law enforcement officers, disobeyed the legal orders from law enforcement, refused to obey court orders?

#15 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-18 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Yep you voted in these socialist democrats and they will create a USSR style police force.

If you want to change it get them out of office and demand that the police not be allowed to have anything we cant have.

In case of riots the National guard can take over.

#16 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-18 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Were you as tough on the Bundy militia who aimed loaded weapons at law enforcement officers, disobeyed the legal orders from law enforcement, refused to obey court orders?

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

Did you decry the Militarization of the 200 armed agents sent to collect "Grazing Fees"?

#17 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-08-18 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Putting down rioters worked quite well in Tiananmen Square. That's what the right wingers here crave.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-18 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Did you decry the Militarization of the 200 armed agents sent to collect "Grazing Fees"?"

I don't recall armored vehicles and such equipment during that incident, if I'm forgetful then I'm sorry but then again BLM was actually having to confront an armed "militia" many of whom were carrying very powerful weapons.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-18 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Devil must be ice-skating. Mark Steyn FINALLY said something intelligent.

I had a similar thought upon reading this. It's nice to see hardcore right wingers take on the civil liberties threat posed by police as they adopt more military tactics and appearance. Maybe there's enough common ground here with hardcore left wingers to turn this Orwellian trend around.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-18 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you decry the Militarization of the 200 armed agents sent to collect "Grazing Fees"?

I didn't see militarization there. I saw a rancher who doesn't like paying his bills exploiting extreme right wingers who like to play pretend American army man, and a bunch of cops who had to prepare in case those clowns turned violent.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-18 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, none of the liberals whined about it then, but I pointed it out.
I did so while laughing at how a bunch of wanna-be Rambos with their ar15's ran with their tails between their legs from a bunch of tools with shotties, pistols, and horses.

#22 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-18 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wouldn't give a crap if the people who backed down from Bundy's Fighting '----- didn't have military equipment. Those militia ----- are more a job for the military anyway.

#23 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-18 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Devil must be ice-skating.
#2 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3

The Devil must be a good guy for punishing all those bad guys. Just one of the many logical fallacies ignored by those believing in good and (d)evil.

#24 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-18 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was the Feds with their cool beards, Long hair, jeans, and military tactical gear and weapons that turned tail, not the local PD.
that's why I enjoyed it so much.

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-18 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Putting down rioters worked quite well in Tiananmen Square. That's what the right wingers here crave.

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't remember the The Tiananmen Square protests involving robbery and looting.

"The Army's entry into the city was blocked at its suburbs by throngs of protesters. Tens of thousands of demonstrators surrounded military vehicles, preventing them from either advancing or retreating. Protesters lectured soldiers and appealed to them to join their cause; they also provided soldiers with food, water, and shelter."

en.wikipedia.org

#26 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-18 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is nothing blundering nor stupid about a fascist police state.

#27 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-18 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right-wingers crave a brutal Tiananmen style crackdown, and strive to justify it too.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-18 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right-wingers crave a brutal Tiananmen style crackdown, and strive to justify it too.

#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Interesting that you'd make this comment on a thread where Mark Steyn (a British right-winger) is ripping the militarization of the police.

Clumsy trolling on your part.

You make me sad.

I expect much more from you.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-18 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right-wingers crave and rationalize a Tienanmen style crackdown in Ferguson, then change subject to Snoofy.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

America has become a society in which segments of the population no longer feel they have a stake (or perhaps, even a chance for a seat at the table). Lacking the political and social will to confront this problem, one instead finds the twin non-solutions of increasingly zealous policing, on the one hand, and paranoid survivalist individualism (or petty tribalism), on the other.

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-19 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

I expect black suicide bombers by 2020 if this doesn't get fixed.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 03:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

A real reading of American history is one of near constant class struggle. Unlike in most of the developed world, there has never been a real organized liberal response to its fascist tendencies, because when one forms it is always murdered out of existence, and history rewritten to delegitimize dissent.

#33 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-19 04:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

That is more likely than you might think. You will note tha suicide terrorism as a tactic is, almost as a rule, used by militarily weak groups against democracies. It confronts the victimized populace not only with the terror of facing an enemy willing to die in order to inflict harm, but also makes that populace question itself on a more fundamental level ("what could we have done to make someone willing to die in order to kill us?"). It forces questions, in a word, that the riots and outrage presently at issue should be forcing: how did American society allow the condition of the colored community deteriorate to such a point that it spills out in such reckless, even self-destructive abandon?

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2014-08-19 04:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes it is class warfare, but come on Shawn, it wasn't Capitalism that raised the standard of living in this country, it was the labor movement. There was a brief time when the labor movement was organized and large enough to effect change. There was little except abject poverty until some died in the streets so that the rest could enjoy a better life.

#35 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-19 07:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Interesting that you'd make this comment on a thread where Mark Steyn (a British right-winger) is ripping the militarization of the police.
Clumsy trolling on your part.
You make me sad.
I expect much more from you.

#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2014-08-18 09:55 PM | FLAG:

Right-wingers crave and rationalize a Tienanmen style crackdown in Ferguson, then change subject to Snoofy.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

For the sake of clarity - when I made that remark it pertained to your trolling. It wasn't that you were trolling that was a problem, it was the caliber of your trolling. What I meant was I expect better trolling from you.

Basically, I was clowning.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Interesting that you'd make this comment on a thread where Mark Steyn (a British right-winger) is ripping the militarization of the police."

So now "conservative" is globally universal?
In other words, your ------------ of "conservative" is now universally applicable
Well then, what it like to finally admit your close ideology with Al-Qaeda

Clumsy trolling on your part.

#37 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-19 12:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

What I meant was I expect better trolling from you.
Basically, I was clowning.
#36 | Posted by JeffJ

I can't help but notice that you still crave a brutal crackdown in Ferguson, Tienanmen style, and you again change the subject.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Were you as tough on the Bundy militia who aimed loaded weapons at law enforcement officers, disobeyed the legal orders from law enforcement, refused to obey court orders?

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

Totally different situation, but yeah, that was ---- ridiculous as well. On the other hand, now that you brought it up, none of those ranchers/militia ever even fired a shot at EACHOTHER, none the less at law enforcement. They didnt break into over 100 stores and set their neighborhood ablaze. They werent threatening the liberties and properties of anyone around them. Yeah at worst, some redneck ------- didnt wanna pay his bills, but there are plenty of corporate -------- who dont pay much larger bills.
I vote next time, just let these 'peaceful' riots go on unchecked. The only thing that wouldve happened without bundy going all whiskey-rebellion was some grass wouldve gotten shorter anyway, or he would pay the fine. How many people you gonna let die in the name of protesting for justice and peace at the hands of the very people in their own crowd? The justice league again picks the wrong poster boy.

#39 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-08-19 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes it is class warfare, but come on Shawn, it wasn't Capitalism that raised the standard of living in this country, it was the labor movement. There was a brief time when the labor movement was organized and large enough to effect change. There was little except abject poverty until some died in the streets so that the rest could enjoy a better life.

---------

No wrong. There are three things that have raised the standard of living in the USA in the last 200 years: slavery, industrialization, and the theft of other peoples resources(oil,agriculture, etc).

We may not have official slavery anymore, but we still have effecting slave classes.

Industrialization is no longer exclusive to the western powers so it is no longer providing the competitive advantage that it did 50 years ago.

Resources are running out worldwide. We have destroyed global natural capital.

Result = rats in a cage with diminishing food supply.

This is only the start.

#40 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-19 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Totally different situation, but yeah, that was ---- ridiculous as well. On the other hand, now that you brought it up, none of those ranchers/militia ever even fired a shot at EACHOTHER, none the less at law enforcement. They didnt break into over 100 stores and set their neighborhood ablaze. They werent threatening the liberties and properties of anyone around them.
#39 | Posted by monkeylogic42

You left out the most important difference:
The police didn't gun down Cliven Bundy.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

oh yeah, cause he wasnt charging at them... thanks snoofy. but i thought we were talking about the blundering part of the situation.

#42 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-08-19 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

we still have slave classes? you live in india? what is stopping any of these people from going to city hall and starting a business?

#43 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-08-19 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can't help but notice that you still crave a brutal crackdown in Ferguson, Tienanmen style, and you again change the subject.

#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What comment did I make that caused you to draw such an erroneous conclusion?

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was this,

Rioters need to be put down like rabid dogs. This crap has to end.
#14 | Posted by monkeylogic42

Oh, you didn't say that?

My apologies, you people all look alike to me.

Do you think it's inappropriate or unfair that I'm going to continue profiling right-wingers based on the outrageous comments from a not-so-select few?

If right-wingers could just clean up their act I wouldn't be justified in thinking they're all at minimum tacit supporters of racist oppression.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Seriously.

I just went back through all of my comments going back more than a week. I posted 2 comments on Ferguson threads.

One comment was on this thread regarding your trolling. The other was in response to Clowney being called a football God.

I haven't even commented on the Ferguson story yet you think I am advocating a Tienanmen style crackdown?

You should seriously question your own personal prejudices if you are capable of drawing conclusions about something I haven't even commented about.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, you didn't say that?

No, I didn't say that.

My apologies, you people all look alike to me.

I don't accept your non-apology.

Do you think it's inappropriate or unfair that I'm going to continue profiling right-wingers based on the outrageous comments from a not-so-select few?

You can do whatever you want, whether or not it's inappropriate or unfair is irrelevant. What I will say is that you are a complete ----- for assigning a position to me that I haven't taken, particularly a position that is so offensive.

If right-wingers could just clean up their act I wouldn't be justified in thinking they're all at minimum tacit supporters of racist oppression.

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I am not responsible for what other people post. I speak for myself and I haven't made any comments on the Ferguson case, yet you felt completely comfortable claiming that I endorse the slaughter of people protesting what they perceive to be a gross injustice. What does that say about you?

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

So if the police go back to soft blue hats and a S&W 38 revolver which will leave them vastly under gunned, you rioters will be happy?

#48 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-08-19 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

I haven't even commented on the Ferguson story yet you think I am advocating a Tienanmen style crackdown?

As I already explained, you match the profile. You're an anti-abortion climate denier misogynist. Not hard to conclude you'd like to see police crack some skulls in Ferguson.

And now you seem more interested in calling me names than showing how that assumption is incorrect.

It's "newsworthy" how you continue to make this about me, rather than take it up with the racists in your ilk who led me to conclude you're racist.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

But let me ask you: If black people aren't okay with drugs and violence in their communities, why do they tolerate it? If you aren't okay with racism from right-wingers, why do you tolerate it? You see what I did there?

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

So if the police go back to soft blue hats and a S&W 38 revolver which will leave them vastly under gunned, you rioters will be happy?
#48 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

I can't speak for the rioters, but I suspect that would only make them happy if those changes somehow stop the police from routinely gunning down people for things like illegal camping or being mentally handicapped or standing in the middle of the road.

Not too long ago some cops tossed a flash-bang at a small child. I would suggest that if you want the rioters to find happiness, the police are going to have to stop doing things like that.

Of course it's utterly disingenuous of you to suggest that you'd favor any sort of change to police policy that would result in the rioters becoming happy, but that's not really relevant right now.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 04:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

As I already explained, you match the profile. You're an anti-abortion climate denier misogynist. Not hard to conclude you'd like to see police crack some skulls in Ferguson.

I am pro-choice and I have stated that multiple times over the years on this site.
I am skeptical of ACA because I see a lot of flaws in the science itself. How you equate said skepticism with advocating violence is beyond me.

And now you seem more interested in calling me names than showing how that assumption is incorrect.

I called you a ----- and I did so in response to your accusation that I wish to see protesters slaughtered, which I don't. You don't want to be called a name? Then don't act like a jerk.

It's "newsworthy" how you continue to make this about me, rather than take it up with the racists in your ilk who led me to conclude you're racist.

I am not responsible for what other people post. You want to know how to avoid drawing false conclusions? Judge me based upon the comments that I make. Do you want me attributing every stupid comment by every left-wing hack to you? I doubt it. But you don't have to worry because when I direct a post to you it is not in response to something that someone else said.

If you aren't okay with racism from right-wingers, why do you tolerate it? You see what I did there?

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes, I see what you did there. You thought you were being clever. But you failed.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The important thing is this is about me and not about the racist company you keep.

And it's really important you don't say what you think should happen when there are nightly riots in Ferguson.

Just stay focused on your hurt feelings and the meanie who hurt them. That's what really matters here. Somebody called you a bad name on the Internet. Oh my!

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Judge me based upon the comments that I make.

When you refuse to comment, I pencil in the blanks with what others who share your outlook tend to say. But it's not carved in stone. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

That hasn't happened; you've merely objected to my methodology.

Is it really so terribly wrong for me to jump to the conclusion I have?

Let's see I see a black man and he matches the description of a strong-arm robber. Should it cross my mind that he might be the guy?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

When you refuse to comment,

Comment on what? A position that you falsely assigned? I am not going to waste a lot of time defending myself from positions that I haven't taken.

I pencil in the blanks with what others who share your outlook tend to say.

That's where you failed. You made an assumption that had no basis in reality.

Is it really so terribly wrong for me to jump to the conclusion I have?

When it's based on comments I never made? Yes. When it's polar opposite to a position that I HAVE taken (pro-choice), it's even worse.

Let's see I see a black man and he matches the description of a strong-arm robber. Should it cross my mind that he might be the guy?

Guilt by association. Nice.

I am going to try and help you out. Divorce yourself from your prejudice that people who don't share your political worldview are therefore evil. Draw your conclusions by the words and actions actually taken by a person, instead of lumping them into various groups and classes and deceiving yourself into believing that these groups/classes you've constructed in your mind are monolithic in thought and belief.

If you follow my advice you'll find yourself erecting far fewer strawmen. You'll also find that your conversations on this site and elsewhere are more productive.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

The important thing is this is about me and not about the racist company you keep.

You were the one who made this about me by falsely assigning a position to me.

The 'racist company' garbage is just that - garbage. I can just as easily assign amazingly hateful left-wing comments to you, just because you have a leftist-liberal outlook.

And it's really important you don't say what you think should happen when there are nightly riots in Ferguson.

I have stayed away from the shooting because almost hourly new evidence emerges. As for the riots...I have mixed feelings about them. One thing I have perfect clarity about is that those who are rioting should NOT be slaughtered Tienanmen-style.

Just stay focused on your hurt feelings and the meanie who hurt them. That's what really matters here. Somebody called you a bad name on the Internet. Oh my!

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

My feelings aren't hurt at all. I feel pity for you. I honestly do. You are a bright person with a decent sense of humor and one who is occasionally capable of some truly insightful posts on this blog. That you have so much going for you intellectually and are simultaneously so narrow-minded and hateful toward those with whom you disagree that you allow yourself to succumb to believing the absolute worst motivations for a differing viewpoint.....

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

You really can't tell I'm merely thinking about you the way the police (and a lot of right-wingers) think about young black men? With blundering stupidity?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-19 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

You really can't tell I'm merely thinking about you the way the police (and a lot of right-wingers) think about young black men?

Of course. It was blatantly obvious that, based upon your terrible prejudices, you were placing me into a group/class to which I don't belong.

I have tried to show you how your prejudices can create problems for you.

On this thread alone you have been completely wrong about where I stand on 2 contentious issues. You based your perception not on what I have said, but on what others whom you wrongly assume are just like me. The problem is a combination of your assumptions and your prejudices.

I am 43 years old and I can't even count how many times first impressions of people I've met have proven wrong over time, both positively and negatively. I can't tell you how many times I assumed someone who I know personally surprised me with their take on a certain issue because I anticipated a different response based upon what I know of said person. Hell, my wife takes my by surprise every once in a while and we've been married going on 18 years with 6 years and 1 day of engagement/courtship preceding our marriage.

Is any of this sinking in?

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-19 06:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

It was the Feds with their cool beards, Long hair, jeans, and military tactical gear and weapons that turned tail, not the local PD.
that's why I enjoyed it so much.

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Didn't know you were such a peacenik! It was indeed a excellent resolution and took a lot of courage for the Feds to disengage peacefully.

One would have thought you would have enjoyed it so much more if the Feds had slaughtered those thugs on the spot for threatening the authorities as soon as the thugs pointed their guns at the Feds.

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-19 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

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