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Friday, August 15, 2014

Farhad Manjoo: The Internet may be losing the war against trolls. At the very least, it isn't winning. And unless social networks, media sites and governments come up with some innovative way of defeating online troublemakers, the digital world will never be free of the trolls' collective sway. "This is not the good-faith exchange of ideas," Whitney Phillips of Humboldt State University said. "It's just people being nasty, and if anything, it might encourage marginalized groups to not speak up."

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People are too thin skinned these days. You just need to ignore the trolls. I have never found a troll bright enough to make me worry one bit about sharing my thoughts. Scream and rant all you want. Its all good.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the intertubes.

#1 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-08-15 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Well, from 10 years of experience on this site, I'm happy to say that the troll problem has ceased after many years of effectively culling the heard due to moderation and selected exiles. Also, it's good to see that RCade chose to post this on a Friday evening when most posters with actual lives won't see it. Thus, keeping the trolls that don't exist at bay.

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-15 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent

It's Herd. Culled the Herd.

-Homophone Troll

#4 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-15 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

...and the excrement flinging, on this site, seems to me excessive. Spring-loaded with standard insults, some of you are.

-Yoda the Troll

#6 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-15 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Here's a troll I just made on another thread-

"Wasn't there somebody named Johnson on this site years ago who used big words to support his racism? Smells like Johnson in here. So to speak.

#32 | Posted by cbob "

Duh huh huh He used a big word, Duh huh huh. That's you, man. Yeah, that's what you sound like. You smell a johnson? Kinda - close, to it, aren't you? Go on - taste it!
Duh huh huh. You're funny.

-Stewie Johnson

Hope you enjoyed it!

#7 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-15 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ban me! Ban me! I'll be back!

-Trollinator

#8 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-15 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

And if [RCade] were trolling, he would ban himself, wouldn't he?

#5 | POSTED BY CHANNELABE

Um, no.

#9 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-15 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Rex, how are you doing?

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-15 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

The notion that anonymity on the net is needed for freedom is provably stupid. There was no 'internet' until at least the 1980s (although roots go back a little further).

If I had my way, every statement and act on the net would have your name and address attached, with the exception of 'letters' accepted for news sites (and those sites would have your name and address).

On a positive note, net anonymity is not without virtues, but the notion that we somehow 'need it' is provably stupid.

#11 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-08-16 12:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

POSTED BY CHANNELABE

My god you're pathetic.

Could you possibly scream for attention any louder?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-16 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Internet trolls can't bother you without your permission. He wins when you're insecure enough to take the bait.

Recently I drove a common troll to cross the line and get himself banned. Thanks to killfiles he didn't even know it was me.

One of my finest moments, if I do say so myself.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2014-08-16 06:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one who sends a graphic of hanging men to Zelda is a freedom fighter. Don't accept it as "normal". It is outrageous and requires our shame and derision.

The dark side of internet social media will continue to plague humanity as humanity continues to fall into its dark side and calls it good. Everything's not good. As long as we as a society believe in this fallacy, the quality of life will continue to deteriorate.

#14 | Posted by PhilipNoir at 2014-08-16 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Could you possibly scream for attention any louder?

#12 | Posted by ClownShack"

Sigh... It's lonely at the top...

#15 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-16 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Internet trolls can't bother you without your permission. He wins when you're insecure enough to take the bait.

Repeated because it is totally true. It takes two to tango. I can try to troll you all day long, but it is up to you to take the bait and play along. Otherwise I am just some loser posting random things that nobody reads.

It is the trolled that creates the trolls, not the trolls themselves. I don't often blame the victim, but when it comes to trolling, the victim willingly walks into everytime.

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-16 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"This is not the good-faith exchange of ideas,"

I say, some of it isn't - as in the case of insults and casual dismissals of unfamiliar ideas.

But - there is a form of good-faith exchange of ideas in which preconceived notions - the 'agenda-fit' qualification that the semi-enlightened ones are able to perceive in others, but not in themselves - violating that, is no crime. The foundation of our world-view needs to be shaken a bit, so the loose crumbly bricks may be identified and replaced. Commonly accepted thoughts are the ones that got us into this worsening mess, and any real solutions to our shared difficulties will arise from new ways of considering old phenomena.

"The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them."

New ideas are scarce and valuable, but they are hidden from our perception by accretions of preconceived notions and conventional thought.

"Gold-seekers dig over much earth and find little gold" is an elegant expression of this principle.

The task of those destined to improve human society is to discover these better ideas wherever they may be concealed, and incorporate them into a more effective view of the world we inhabit.

So, even though I may 'troll' a bit for fun, when I'm in my cups, most of my intentionally controversial posts are intended to shake preconceived notions.

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

I don't credit these quotes, using them for their content rather than their provenance.

#18 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-16 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The articles themselves are a troll? Example, please?
#17 | POSTED BY THETOM AT 2014-08-16 12:51 PM

You have never seen a thread posted here simply for the purpose of trolling? Really? I have done it myself before. I've seen something on HuffPost or some other site I KNOW will stir up the blood of some here and force them to go into their "mode." That is a trolling thread.

#19 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-16 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

And for the record, I am no troll. I am a founding member of the Retort Angler's Society. We don't "troll." We place well chosen bait and wait for the fish to come to us.

Trolls are those heel biters who follow you from thread to thread, desperate for attention.

#20 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-16 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

...An interesting irony: some would consider a post containing uncomfortable ideas to be a 'troll', but an insulting response to, not.

#21 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-16 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The internet is real democracy in action. Naturally fascists don't like it that way.

They have always believed in the freedom to do what you are told.

#22 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-16 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The internet is real democracy in action"

Democracy is, at best, a tyranny of the majority.

Consider too, how the majority of people are rather less intelligent than the few, so democracy becomes then the tyranny of idiots.

Another artifact of democracy is an endless progression of neo-royalty, each administration determined to cost the public more than the last, to surpass the previous administration in their luxurious indulgences, everything on credit, of course.

#23 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-16 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#19 | Posted by kanrei
"You have never seen a thread posted here simply for the purpose of trolling?"

Oh, absolutely. I've just never seen an Rcade-posted article that was just for that purpose, as was Huguenot's assertion.

#25 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-16 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-16 12:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG

It's faster to type "I should be able to say anything I want without repercussion. If you're offended it's your problem, not mine."

Saves you typing time and shows you exactly how puerile the "argument" is.

#26 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-16 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

We place well chosen bait and wait for the fish to come to us.
Trolls are those heel biters who follow you from thread to thread, desperate for attention.
#20 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-16 01:22 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You just used two different sets of words to describe the exact same action.

#27 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-16 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Establishment elites apparently believe only they can, and should define "trolls". Trolls represent various opinions. The establishment always strives to control opinions.

#28 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-16 08:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Democracy is, at best, a tyranny of the majority.

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Marketing speak for when the masses attempt to enforce their will upon the fascisti. i.e. real democracy as oppose to s.o.p. fascist plutocracy.

#29 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-16 08:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

This article is funny; those horrible trolls, "oh the humanity"!,lol.

Human beings are slightly evolved apes, you can not connect them all together on one 24/7/365 network and expect utopia.

#30 | Posted by danv at 2014-08-17 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by Robson
"Trolls represent various opinions."

Trolling is about the intent, not the opinion.

#31 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-17 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would expect a few of the DR's biggest trolls to show up and defend their practices, but like most junkies, they don't realize they have a problem.

#32 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-17 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I would expect a few of the DR's biggest trolls to show up and defend their practices, but like most junkies, they don't realize they have a problem.
#32 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Unfortunately Rigel, Goatman and the rest of our better trolls have been banned by RCade.

But I completely agree with Kanrei's #16.

"Internet trolls can't bother you without your permission. He wins when you're insecure enough to take the bait."

Free Goatman!!

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-17 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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