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Friday, August 15, 2014

A column of armored vehicles and military trucks crossed the border from Russia into Ukraine on Thursday night, in the first confirmed sighting of such an incident by Western journalists. A separate, larger convoy of around 270 Russian trucks, which Moscow claims is carrying aid, rumbled to a halt just short of the border on Thursday night, while in east Ukraine, shells hit the center of rebel-held Donetsk for the first time. The Telegraph witnessed a column of vehicles including both armored personal carriers and soft-skinned lorries crossing into Ukraine at an obscure border crossing near the Russian town of Donetsk shortly before 10 p.m. local time.

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It's just Uncle Putey bring the aid. He's such a kind man.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

you do realize that the US has subjugated more nations in the last 75 years than any domino-theory communist, right?

#2 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-15 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Define subjugated. I don't think it means what you think it does.

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-15 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Btw..the Ukrainian military destroyed that convoy.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-15 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just what I meant.

sub·ju·gate
ˈsəbjəˌgāt/
verb
past tense: subjugated; past participle: subjugated
bring under domination or control, especially by conquest.
"the invaders had soon subjugated most of the native population"
synonyms: conquer, vanquish, defeat, crush, quash, bring someone to their knees, enslave, subdue, suppress
"the Normans had subjugated most of Ireland's Gaelic population"
antonyms: liberate
make someone or something subordinate to.
"the new ruler firmly subjugated the Church to the state"

#5 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-15 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess I could have combined it with 'decimated' as well.

#6 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-15 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Any photos? Videos?

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-15 09:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

DEADSPIN, do you even know where Ukraine is? ARe you honestly going to try and pretend you understand the Russian/Ukranian situation? I can't wait.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-15 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wife of Project for a New American Century and Assistant Ambassador to Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, gave a speech last December bragging that the USA had invested $5 billion in destabilizing the Ukraine and was recorded saying "---- the EU" on her cell phone. Using proxy "NGOs", as is done in Haiti and throughout South America, the population is decimated while the NGOs spend their donations "helping".

To understand the situation in the Ukraine you have to consider Syria and the failed attempt there to control the flow of oil and gas to Europe. Afghanistan, Syria and Ukraine all provide pipeline routes for the flow of oil and gas, which the US seeks to dominate militarily. The largest recent discovery in the Middle East belongs to Iran and Qatar and Iran is our sworn enemy since they act independently. The only export path for the gas is through Syria so we attacked them.

Same reason we attacked the Ukraine, always using proxies.

#9 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-16 07:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Deafspin. Name a single nation we have "subjugated". This just another shining example of failed policy by Obama and Hillary.

Remember the Russian re-set button (with the mistranslated words)?

Yep the button turned on their power and turned ours off.

#10 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-16 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

#9 - debunked as a lie: www.politifact.com

#10 - the reset button didn't have any effect on anyone's power. it was just a symbolic gesture to say "let's not obsess about past differences, let's focus only on the present moving forward". this was before Putin usurped the presidency again in Russia. to suggest a diplomatic P.R. show from five years ago has any relation to recent events is absurd.

#11 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-16 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Wife of Project for a New American Century and Assistant Ambassador to Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, gave a speech last December bragging that the USA had invested $5 billion in destabilizing the Ukraine"

1. There is no such place as "the Ukraine." It is Ukraine.
2. She never said any such thing and if you honestly quoted her it wouild be obvious to anyone that read the quote.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sentinel - it was symbolic and reflective of a new foreign policy. One that has not worked.

#13 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-16 11:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Sentinel - it was symbolic and reflective of a new foreign policy."

IT was an attempt to offer Putin a better relationship with the west but he was simply too paranoid to accept it. Obama shouldn't feel embarrassed for offering, I think he is rightly concerned that the President of such a large and powerful nation is being lead by a dictatorial sociopath with visions of grandeur.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Putin on the Blitz

#15 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2014-08-16 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Shirtless Vlad is on the march. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

--Hillary

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-16 03:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sentinel - it was symbolic and reflective of a new foreign policy. One that has not worked."

*yawn*

The policy of the previous admin also didn't deter Russian hegemony when it came to the country of Georgia. The fact of the matter is that world events don't revolve solely around U.S. foreign policy, and the blame for the current situation with Russia's expansionism lies with Putin, not with the Obama or Bush administrations.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-16 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I fear the U.S and its' hegemony much more then I fear Putin and Russia. The only offense Putin has committed is to draw a line in the sand and say no more expansion of NATO----he won't allow his country to be completely encircled by NATO and he along with others globally are attempting to compromise the hegemony of the U.S. with its' economic and military threatening of the whole globe. In fact Putin is quite rational in his response to the Washington neocons and their supporters.

#18 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-16 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The only offense Putin has committed is to draw a line in the sand and say no more expansion of NATO----he won't allow his country to be completely encircled by NATO"

That's easy for you to forgive, you aren't Ukrainian. Ukrain is a sovereign nation and has a right to chart whatever course they desire for themselves. Putin is paranoid, his country is in no danger of being attacked much less invaded. His interests are strategic, they are nationalistic and economic.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

"His interests are strategic, they are nationalistic and economic."

His interests are not strategic, they are nationalistic and economic.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ukrain is a sovereign nation and has a right to chart whatever course they desire for themselves. Putin is paranoid, his country is in no danger of being attacked much less invaded. His interests are strategic, they are nationalistic and economic.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 04:18 PM | Reply |

What a laughable comment. Let's see----of course Ukraine is a sovereign nation----then you agree we should have never meddled in their affairs. Of course, it's okay if we do but not Putin. Secondly, Putin is not paranoid. History has shown that after Reagan and Baker promised Gorbachev that NATO wouldn't expand 1 inch eastward if he agreed to reunification of Germony, we over the years broke that promise and have expanded NATO aggressively eastward. Thirdly, of course his intersts are strategic, nationalistic and economic----does that imply you're stating that's in contra-distinction to the U.S. where our interests haven't been "strategic, nationalistic, and economic over the last 80+ years. Who has more military spread throughout the world then the U.S.? Who has the reserve currency of the world and will militarily and economically enforce their will on any country that threatens that reserve currency? Now, let's see----how many countries does the Russian military inhabit outside their sphere of local influence. Does Russia have the reserve currency of the world and impose their economic will on anyone that threatens to expand themselves economically at their expense.

Danni, you're neocon skirt is showing and it's so easy to take apart your positions. Your position is on sand.

#21 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-16 04:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Danni, you're neocon skirt is showing and it's so easy to take apart your positions. Your position is on sand."

There you go again confusing concern for the rights of Ukrainians that I personally know for neocon desire for domination of the world. Pathetic. Putin is paranoid, no one is now or ever will threaten Russia. It isn't the Ukrainians' fault that Putin's economy is not growing in the direction desired by them, they want what the west has to offer them not what Putin offers them. That isn't our fault either, it's Putin's and the rest of the oligarchs who run Russia.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"he won't allow his country to be completely encircled by NATO"

You only have to look at Russia on a world map and then look at the current NATO countries to see how ridiculous this statement is.

" and he along with others globally are attempting to compromise the hegemony of the U.S. with its' economic and military threatening of the whole globe. In fact Putin is quite rational in his response to the Washington neocons and their supporters."

Putin's response played right into the neocons' hands.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-16 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

There you go again confusing concern for the rights of Ukrainians that I personally know for neocon desire for domination of the world. Pathetic.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 04:46 PM | Reply

There you go with your concern for the rights of Ukrainians----a very good position to take when you want to justify destabilization. I guess you don't consider the Russian speaking Ukrainians as citizens. Let's deal with facts again. Who put Yanukovich in power in a democratic election. Who protested against him----the Russian speaking part of the electorate certainly didn't----of course, it was Ukrainians in the west part of Ukraine especially the neo nazis, naive students, and NGO payees. Now you have another oligarch in power (you seem to have problems with some of them and not others----I guess it just depends on whose side they currently are on). So the current guy really was not involved in a stable freely democratic vote. Oh, oh, oh; remember when Victoria Nuland was found to be talking about who the west wanted to put in control---of course, we don't have strategic and economic interests in putting our own people in positions and under our influence. You truely are obtuse.

#24 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-16 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"he won't allow his country to be completely encircled by NATO"

You only have to look at Russia on a world map and then look at the current NATO countries to see how ridiculous this statement is.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-16 04:53 PM | Reply |

Let's see what has happened since Reagan and Baker gave their word that NATO wouldn't advance 1 inch if Germany reunification occurred. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia were once a part of the Soviet Union. They're now part of Nato-----that one inch moved a long ways east. Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, and Romania were all at one time satellite states of the Soviet Union and are now NATO members. Sentinel, you need to awake and see the difference or don't you read maps well.

#25 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-16 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They're now part of Nato-----that one inch moved a long ways east. Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland, and Romania were all at one time satellite states of the Soviet Union and are now NATO members. "

I guess the people of those nations, who hated the Russians, want to make sure they are never again under the Ruski thumb. Free people are free to make the alliances they think will work best for themselves. Why should they be bound by anything Reagan and Baker agreed to, after this many years why should we be?

#26 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-16 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

About that 1990 promise...
www.nytimes.com

"The issue was expansion into the territory of the former East German state. (There is no evidence that in late January or early February of 1990 anyone -- Mr. Genscher, James Baker or Mikhail Gorbachev -- was even thinking, much less talking, about the possibility of NATO expansion even further into East-Central Europe)."

"While Mr. Baker was in Moscow, however, officials at the White House had analyzed Mr. Genscher's position with respect to NATO and East Germany more closely and decided that it was untenable. President George Bush and Secretary Baker both agreed, and, only hours after Mr. Baker met with Mr. Gorbachev, the United States adopted a new position."

"The new position was immediately publicized. It was presented directly to Mr. Gorbachev by Mr. Baker in Moscow on May 18, and presented to Mr. Gorbachev again by Mr. Bush in Washington on May 31. Mr. Gorbachev did not oppose the new formula."

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-16 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

There is no doubt many neighboring countries fear and hate Russia. What they don't realize is they're jumping out of the pan into the fire. By which I mean partnering with the USA will not improve their lives.

#28 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-16 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

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