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Thursday, August 14, 2014

The author William Deresiewicz has written a book about the students graduating today from America's elite universities. Reviewer Dwight Garner explains, "Far too many are going into the same professions, notably finance or consulting. He detects a lack of curiosity, of interesting rebellion, of moral courage, of passionate weirdness. We've spawned a generation of polite, striving, praise-addicted, grade-grubbing nonentities -- a legion of, as his title puts it, Excellent Sheep."

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Deresiewicz offers this advice to college students: "Don't talk to your parents more than once a week, or even better, once a month. Don't tell them about your grades on papers or tests, or anything else about how you're doing during the term. ... Make it clear to them that this is your experience, not theirs."

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It's called 'indoctrination'.

#1 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-14 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clones.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-14 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Excellent Sheep'

No doubt that title got some scots all excited.

Jokes aside only the rich can risk being weird while at top colleges.

The rest of us have only got one shot at what we're doing.

#3 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-14 08:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

The academic field of economics is a f**king joke. Milton Friedman claimed its OK if there is no correlation between experimental tests and theory. A very well paid "authority" speaking on behalf of the 1%.

#4 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-14 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Looking at the social networks in the IVY league, It is ironic that they would call the South and Midwest "inbred". Lets face it if it wasn't for legacy and a lot of money, most of the students would not be qualified to be there.

#5 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-15 01:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Privileged" sheep.

Most average Americans don't have the means, legacy connections, or even the right ethnic pedigree to gain entrance because they can't get by the bigoted gate keepers in the admissions office. Even foreign students are given admission preference over the largest American demographic. The Ivy League has been hijacked to the benefit of a dominant minority and to the detriment of an egalitarian America. I posted an article about this trend last year.

#6 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-15 07:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

Certainly a $26 roll of toilet paper produced by some bitter guy and an enabling publisher. This guy is as anti-education as Sarah Palin and the know-nothings in the Tea Party.

My child's Ivy experience--so far--has been great for her: friends and classmates from all over the world, a wide variety of challenging, enjoyable courses taught by top professors, respect and encouragement for what she wants to study and do after school (certainly not anything close to finance, economics or consulting) and exposure to people who will take their educations and make a difference in the world....

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2014-08-15 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I guess that is how Barrack got into Harvard law and Columbia with so-so grades from Oxidental. He claimed he was a exchange student. Of course being the son of Frank Marshal Davis helped, especially at Columbia.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-15 08:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Not sure what this guys is saying in his book.

Of course there is a lot of conformity in Ivy League schools. When you are part of the 1% you don't want to rock the boat, that is a lesson these kids have had drilled into them since childhood. Add that to Tor's point about the kids who are not in the 1% but get into Ivy League anyway they aren't going to risk that cushy life.

That said living in an area with 3 top but not Ivy league colleges there are plenty of passionate kids out there. If the Ivy league becomes too insular to lead the leaders are out there waiting in the wings.

Of all the things to worry about in this country Harvard becoming more inbred is not one.

#9 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-15 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why sheep?

Love ewe too

#10 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"Excellent sheep". Is that a euphemism for another euphemism, "Useful idiots"?

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-15 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

William Deresiewicz is showing what an original thinker he is by turning 50 and starting to whine about how young people today just aren't as good they were back in his day, dag gummit!

#12 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-15 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems the focus has more to do with money than anything else. All these "pay your fair share, people are too rich" supporting kids are making their college major decisions solely based on what will bring them the most money, keep them from paying their fair share, and make them the most rich.

Chalk it up to a society obsessed with money, for better, for worse.

If they don't have it, they want it from someone else. If they can get it, they want it and they won't give it to anyone.

#13 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-15 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yep they are all brainwashed.

I recommend you give them a test before hiring people them to find the brainwashed ones so you don't higher them.
No one wants these people in your business.

#14 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-15 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one wants these people in your business.
#14 | POSTED BY TMASTER

They won't be. They'll be folded into elite generational corporations and firms we've never heard of, that don't publicize or advertise, but are storied members of the gated clubs and communities we can't get into or will ever see the inside of.

The type of people Obama plays golf with.

#15 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-15 11:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He has similar hopes for Asian and Latino kids. "Telling them to stick to medicine or finance is just another way," he says, "of keeping those communities down."

This is what we should be telling all kids, not just those of a certain race.

The author seems to believe the country is worse off because kids are focusing on educational priorities that are going to get them a J-O-B. At the expense of not majoring in the arts or art-leaning subjects.

There's nothing wrong with majoring in arts, but you don't major in hobbies in the hopes that you'll someday be able to buy a ranch in Wyoming. You major in those subjects that are going to get you employed.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-15 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

75 years ago those who attended the Ivies would have been able to major in Latin or Classical Literature. Becuase they wouldn't have been worried about getting a job. They would have already been set up to go run the family company. Maybe occupy a structure in the family compound. but paying bills, including student debt, probably wouldn't have been part of thei r decision calculus.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-15 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

The author seems to believe the country is worse off because kids are focusing on educational priorities that are going to get them a J-O-B. At the expense of not majoring in the arts or art-leaning subjects.

There's nothing wrong with majoring in arts, but you don't major in hobbies in the hopes that you'll someday be able to buy a ranch in Wyoming. You major in those subjects that are going to get you employed.

#16 | Posted by madbomber

Getting a J-O-B in the financial industry so you can create more fine print schemes to trick uneducated people out of their money is FAR more damaging to the country than an arts major who actually contributes something positive.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-15 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Elite Universities produce excellent sheep"
Like:
Bob Jones University?
Liberty University?
and many, many more

THOSE are the sheep we should be afraid of, the American Taliban in training.

#19 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-08-15 10:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

e1g1, Don't forget Oral Roberts University- Come on now, are any of the Christian universities any more radical in their belief system promoted by Columbia, Berkley, Harvard or Yale? BTW, Harvard started out as a Christian university so sever, it made Bob Jones look absolutely liberal. At least the Jesus freaks aren't putting heads on poles, the real Taliban is.

#20 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-16 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

e1g1, Don't forget Oral Roberts University- Come on now, are any of the Christian universities any more radical in their belief system promoted by Columbia, Berkley, Harvard or Yale? BTW, Harvard started out as a Christian university so sever, it made Bob Jones look absolutely liberal. At least the Jesus freaks aren't putting heads on poles, the real Taliban is.

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No, they just commit mass murder all over the planet in the name of the American empire.

If Islam is a violent religion for killing thousands, then what is Christianity for starving/murdering millions? A religion of genocide?

#21 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-16 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

If Islam is a violent religion for killing thousands, then what is Christianity for starving/murdering millions? A religion of genocide?

POSTED BY SHAWN AT 2014-08-16 01:31 PM

Religion is not violent; man's misinterpretation of it is. Most members of any faith are peaceful people who just want to worship as they see fit. The vocal minority is what colors these faiths to others in a negative light. Their actions create a self-fulfilling prophesy that ends up proving their world view right.

#22 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-16 01:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shawn, you mean that their is a moral equivalency between the groups like ISIS and the US? Does the New Testament call for the death of non-Christians? Nope. Does the Koran? Why don't you look and see.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-17 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

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