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Thursday, August 14, 2014

Keith Boykin, Huffington Post: Look online and you'll find pictures of white people proudly carrying guns into churches, bars, and grocery stores thanks to the "open carry" laws passed in nearly every state recently. Black people don't have that right. When a white teenager named Steve Lohner was stopped by the police last month and refused to show his ID after carrying a loaded shotgun on the streets of Aurora, Colorado (the same city where a mass murderer killed 12 people and injured 70 others in a packed movie theater in July 2012), the teen walked away with nothing but a citation. But when a 22-year-old black kid named John Crawford picked up a mere BB gun in a Walmart store in Dayton, Ohio last week, customers called the police, who then shot and killed him.

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Imagine what might happen if black people started buying up scores of weapons at gun stores and posting pictures of ourselves carrying them on the streets to protect ourselves? We don't have to wonder. When the Black Panthers did this in the 1960s, California's Republican Governor Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of white conservatives, signed a law called the Mulford Act which prohibited the carrying of firearms on your person, in a vehicle, or in any public place or street.

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If all things were equal, why hasn't the NRA make any pronouncements encouraging the peaceful citizens of Ferguson Missouri to take up legal arms in response to the militaristic tactics taken by law enforcement in their neighborhoods, far beyond protecting property from damage.

What would happen should groups of black citizens do as whites and march with firearms in public to display their own 2nd Amendment rights as citizens of America? As said above, a black man grabbed a toy gun in a WalMart and was murdered within minutes.

I'm not going to put a name on these differences. Let's just call them eye opening and deserving of comparison and then a response. I'll leave it at that.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Studies have shown that police are more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white ones. A white man with a gun is assumed to be a law-abiding patriot, while a black man with a gun is assumed to be a lawless thug..

When a black man's exercise of his constitutional right stamps him with an instant presumption of guilt, he understands the Second Amendment isn't designed to protect him. But if white Americans want blacks to respect the law, then they must understand how pervasive racial disparities undermine confidence in our laws and our criminal justice system.

If the public conversation about Michael Brown, Ezell Ford, Eric Garner, Renisha McBride, Trayvon Martin, and other victims does nothing else, I hope it strikes another nail in the coffin of the delusion of colorblindness in America. Until white people finally acknowledge the persistence and the depth of their own conscious and subconscious racial biases and assumptions, unarmed black people will continue to die from their mistakes.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 09:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

How were the guns handled, according to gun handling protocol or haphazardly?

#3 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-14 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

What would happen should groups of black citizens do as whites and march with firearms in public to display their own 2nd Amendment rights as citizens of America?

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-08-14 09:12 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

NBP does this regularly here in there protests.

Nobody cares.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-14 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Until white people finally acknowledge the persistence and the depth of their own conscious and subconscious racial biases and assumptions, unarmed black people will continue to die from their mistakes."

I acknowledge it. so what? how does my acknowledgment change anything?

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

I acknowledge it. so what? how does my acknowledgment change anything?

It changes things when you express it to the politicians and public officials you support by indicating you will withhold further support unless they too take steps to make the community a more enlightened one willing to leave behind old policies and notions which create divisions, not unity.

Every journey begins with the first step. If Dr. King had said, "My feelings aren't going to change anything, so why bother(?)" where would our society be today? If you express your acknowledgment to others perhaps they will be persuaded too, and on and on.

Change doesn't often happen in leaps, it happens in small incremental steps.

#6 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Fortunately for everyone else, Dr. King had feelings and actions.

This man - www.youtube.com seems to believe many blacks today only have feelings with a fear of changing their actions like Dr. King did.

Don't bring up Dr. King unless you are advocating for Dr. King like approach of the subject from all parties involved.

#7 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-14 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't bring up Dr. King unless you are advocating for Dr. King like approach of the subject from all parties involved.

I brought up Dr. King in the context of my words: as ONE PERSON who was able to ignite an entire movement of change that started because of his own personal feelings.

There was no reference to his methodology at all. I hope Eberly got the point that escaped you.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is hilarious, because when a black man carries a weapon at a TeaParty rally or at an Obama protest....

He's a gun nut....
www.cnn.com

Go home with your faux outrage...

Regarding: Studies have shown that police are more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white ones. A white man with a gun is assumed to be a law-abiding patriot, while a black man with a gun is assumed to be a lawless thug..

Please produce studies, not just quote them.....

They are no better or worse than the general public..

The Police Officer's Dilemma:
Using Ethnicity to Disambiguate Potentially Threatening Individuals
defiant.ssc.uwo.ca's%20dilemma.pdf

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-14 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Studies have shown that police are more likely to shoot unarmed black suspects than unarmed white ones."

I'm sure that's true. Police need to stop shooting unarmed suspects.

"A white man with a gun is assumed to be a law-abiding patriot, while a black man with a gun is assumed to be a lawless thug."

yeah...people assume the white man has a permit to carry it and has no intentions of shooting someone with it. Further, people assume the black man has no permit and has criminal intentions.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Andrea [...]

Black Residents 10 Times More Likely Than Whites To Be Shot By Chicago Police: Analysis

Police Officers Are More Likely to Shoot Black Men, Studies Suggest


And yes, there are studies indicating that trained police officers tested were much better than the general public in determining threats regardless of race. That is why the public shouldn't try to take police matters into their hands like George Zimmerman did.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

#10

Correct Eberly. But why do those assumptions exist from your perspective?

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

#12

from my perspective? I can answer this....but I'm white....so do you really want to know?

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Black Residents 10 Times More Likely Than Whites To Be Shot By Chicago Police

Could it be that large portions of Chicago are 100% black areas?

#14 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-14 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

#14

and those areas are full of violent crime...thus, putting police officers in more situations where physical harm is being threatened or even applied and they have to intervene, generating more situations where police officers have to draw their weapons to protect themselves or others?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tony, if you are interested in my response then tell me.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Robert's Court knows the answer to this, racism is dead, a thing in our long lost past.

#17 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-14 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

#16

Yes I am, I've just been busy on another thread. I may not respond quickly, but I'll be back.

As it regards Chicago, if you haven't read this, then please check it out: www.theatlantic.com

Scroll down to the part where there's a map entitled Redlining in Chicago.

This is just another part of the story that very few people know nor understand including the vast majority of blacks.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 11:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, this would be a good thing. I think all black people should open carry in areas and States where open carry is allowed. Especially young men. That is the fastest way to do away with open carry laws that I can possibly imagine.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-14 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Nonsense you are comparing two different cities.
Some cities have gun control some don't.

Black people have guns just like everyone else in my state they are not a threat. Its the criminals the are a threat.

We all encourage black people help us fight the gun control that tries to disarm everyone.

#21 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-14 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

That is the fastest way to do away with open carry laws that I can possibly imagine.

Yep, and the NRA probably wouldn't lift a finger. "Public safety" and all that dontcha know....

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

What would happen should groups of black citizens do as whites and march with firearms in public to display their own 2nd Amendment rights as citizens of America?

#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Many gun control laws only got written after groups like the Black Panthers started openly carrying rifles in black areas

It is hard to believe that the NRA was committed to gun-control laws for most of the 20th century -- helping to write most of the federal laws restricting gun use until the 1980s.

"Historically, the leadership of the NRA was more open-minded about gun control than someone familiar with the modern NRA might imagine,""The Second Amendment was not nearly as central to the NRA's identity for most of the organization's history."

The nation's white political elite feared that violence was too prevalent and there were too many people -- especially urban Black nationalists -- with access to guns. In May 1967, two dozen Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill, prompting then-Gov. Ronald Reagan to comment, "There's no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons."

The Gun Control Act of 1968 reauthorized and deepened the FDR-era gun control laws. It added a minimum age for gun buyers, required guns have serial numbers and expanded people barred from owning guns from felons to include the mentally ill and drug addicts. Only federally licensed dealers and collectors could ship guns over state lines. People buying certain kinds of bullets had to show I.D. But the most stringent proposals -- a national registry of all guns (which some states had in colonial times) and mandatory licenses for all gun carriers -- were not in it. The NRA blocked these measures. Orth told America Riflemen magazine that while part of the law "appears unduly restrictive, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with."

#23 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-14 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#8 Then that just shows how blind you are on the subject.

Dr. Kings feelings would have done NOTHING if it were not for his methodology. It was his methodology that brought the success and his admiration from all sides.

The man in the video I posted advocates making actual change to character, where you don't seem to be calling for such on equal grounds.

#24 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-14 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 The NRA actually tried to help the president reach a compromise on gun control when the issue came up. The president declined and attempted to go it alone. He failed.

#25 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-14 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only a couple months ago in the Bundy Ranch standoff, white men were AIMING RIFLES at federal agents, and faced no repercussions.

Can any of you honestly say that black people in missouri would get away with aiming guns at these cops today?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-14 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

44 years ago, 40 MS state police fired 140 shots into a Jackson State dorm.

No charges resulted.

Things change?

#27 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-08-14 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dr. Kings feelings would have done NOTHING if it were not for his methodology.

No argument, but that wasn't the point I was making to eberly. My point was just to show that one individual's choice to try and affect "change" can impact many.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

everyone carrying guns will lead to everyone shooting one another regardless of skin or uniform color.

#29 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-14 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

everyone carrying guns will lead to everyone shooting one another regardless of skin or uniform color.

#29 | Posted by DeadSpin

THe NRA says it would lead to a more peaceful and safe country. Too bad a lot of people would have to die in order to prove how wrong they are.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-14 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

The NICS background check is colorblind. Noone is turned down for their color...many are for a criminal record and background. As they should be.

#31 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2014-08-14 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

...many are for a criminal record and background.

Thank God for "private" gun sales!

#32 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-14 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

ROMO-DID you actually look at the data that you posted?

The "statistical difference" was 1%. You wrote like it is a massive difference.

The 2nd amendment has been a prized one for Black Americans through the years as it help to defend themselves from the Democrats in the south after the war. As you know the KKK is a Democrat party institution.
There have been multiple killings in that neighborhood prior to this one. They were exclusively Black on Black crime. I dud not see any riots then did you? I did not Obama and AL run down there and go in national news then -did you? When Obama got elected it was this new post racial society ! Instead we are back in the 60's. Why? Because Obama and the liberals have done nothing but divide to win elections - and introduce economic policies that killed jobs taking away these people hope for a better life.

#33 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-15 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

The 2nd Amendment only cares for one color: green.

My proof: the government don't like them poor White boys in Montana arming themselves much either.

#34 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

No charges resulted.

Things change?

#27 | Posted by 88120rob

"Things in this life change slowly, if they ever change at all."

--Don Henley

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-15 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

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