Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, August 14, 2014

Conor Friedersdorf, The Atlantic: [T]ake a look at the powerful photograph that Whitney Curtis took for the New York Times in the Missouri towns where residents are protesting the killing of an 18-year-old shot to death by police as he walked to a convenience store. Of course, not every police officer in Ferguson is dressed that way. But those three officers are dressed and outfitted such that they could as easily be storming into an ISIS safe house in Iraq. Actually, they are on the streets of an American city, clad in combat gear, squaring off against a nonviolent protestor in a t-shirt and jeans with both of his hands raised over his head.

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It is easy to see how visuals like these could dissuade people from taking to the streets to assemble in protest of police shootings, as is their moral and Constitutional right. ...

Community policing is impossible when officers dress up as occupying soldiers. But there is little chance that this pernicious trend will end anytime soon.

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Maybe if they weren't the target of animals throwing Molotov cocktails, they wouldn't have to dress that way. Or should they not be allowed to protect themselves?

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2014-08-14 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

a state of ceaseless global interventionism promotes the increased militarization of our police forces back home.

#2 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-14 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Maybe if they weren't the target of animals throwing Molotov cocktails, they wouldn't have to dress that way. Or should they not be allowed to protect themselves?

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2014-08-14 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've seen cops dressed that way at all kinds of local events including ones aimed at kids.

#3 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Maybe if they weren't the target of animals throwing Molotov cocktails, they wouldn't have to dress that way. Or should they not be allowed to protect themselves?

#1 | Posted by cookfish at 2014-08-14 09:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

I've seen cops dressed that way at all kinds of local events including ones aimed at kids.

#4 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 09:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe if they weren't the target of animals throwing Molotov cocktails
#1 | Posted by cookfish

I've really never heard of an animal that can throw well.
Did you mean black man?
Is that what you mean by animal?
Carry on.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

The only one who associated "black man" and "animal" together is you, Snuffy. Carry on with your racist ways.

#6 | Posted by cookfish at 2014-08-14 09:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

It's cute that you pretend you didn't mean black man.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

snoofy, you got it all wrong. he meant this type of animal:

www.youtube.com

#8 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-14 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

It seems quite cowardly for the police to think they need all the combat gear and vehicles to deal with mostly peaceful protests. Also, I think that when the police unnecessarily murder unarmed people it is the duty of citizens to take to the streets in protest and to demand justice.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

So what are you saying that only Blacks were rioting... [SQUAWK] RACIST!!! [SQUAWK]

#10 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2014-08-14 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

"It's cute that you pretend you didn't mean black man."
#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:25 AM | Reply

Oh, please. It was obvious to anyone not looking for a racial comment that the statement was calling anyone who expresses an opinion by throwing a Molotov Cocktail an animal, whether they are black, white or a quiet shade of purple.

#11 | Posted by hawk at 2014-08-14 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

It was obvious to anyone not looking for a racial comment that the statement was calling anyone who expresses an opinion by throwing a Molotov Cocktail an animal
#11 | Posted by hawk

Yes, I suppose it was.

What a relief that he can dehumanize anyone, regardless of their skin color. He's an equal opportunity psychopath.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

If I toss a Molotov cocktail at another human being, then I'm the animal.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

If I toss a Molotov cocktail at another human being, then I'm the animal.
#13 | Posted by eberly

Okay.

Anyone else want to raise their hand and be counted among the ones who refer to certain people as sub-humans, as animals?

Do you think you can be born an animal, I wonder? Or do you lose your human status whenever another, better human decides you've lost it?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

society refers to people they don't quite understand as animals...

meanwhile, the pet section at the local supermarket gets bigger and bigger...

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-14 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't believe an individual needs anyone else to change his status. There are certain modes of behavior that do an excellent job of defining status without any outside assistance.

#16 | Posted by hawk at 2014-08-14 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

how some americans view the protestors:

www.theblaze.com

how some other americans view the protestors:

fe867b.medialib.glogster.com

#17 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-14 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

let me rephrase, Snoofy.

If I toss a Molotov cocktail at your daughter or son, then I'm an animal.

still too confused?

"Or do you lose your human status whenever another, better human decides you've lost it?"

you lose your human status when your actions reflect your lack of respect for other human lives.

I'm just typing words on the internet. I'm not physically harming anyone.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

The MSM that thrives on dividing society FTBO of a 1% that prefer us wasting our brain processing time talking and sympathizing about Robin Williams, instead of discussing stuff that really counts, like this.

Surely we need another thread about Robin Williams? When we are becoming enlightened about him, we are not learning how badly the elites are screwing us.

#19 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-14 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

If I toss a Molotov cocktail at your daughter or son, then I'm an animal.
still too confused?
#18 | Posted by eberly

Not at all, I fully understand why psychopaths dehumanize people.
I wonder if you do.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

you lose your human status when your actions reflect your lack of respect for other human lives.
#18 | Posted by eberly

As though the act of calling a human -- even a really bad one -- an animal doesn't cross that threshold...

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm a psychopath, Snoofy?

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

"As though the act of calling a human -- even a really bad one -- an animal doesn't cross that threshold..."

it's a harsh term.

But to the extreme, if someone called Tim McVeigh an animal.....who can argue?

it's a harsh term....but some humans really really deserve the label.

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I've called people "sheep" many times.

do you still need another box of tissues, Snoofy?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"you lose your human status when your actions reflect your lack of respect for other human lives."
#18 | Posted by eberly

"As though the act of calling a human -- even a really bad one -- an animal doesn't cross that threshold..."
#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 10:23 AM | Reply

Wow. If this doesn't epitomize one of the biggest problems this society has right now.
Are you honestly saying that someone who calls someone else a bad name belongs even remotely in the same category as someone who deliberately harms or kills another human being?

#25 | Posted by hawk at 2014-08-14 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy has got to be trolling. There is no way anyone could be that stupid.

#26 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2014-08-14 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy is just a really crappy race baiter.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy is making a point that many of you are too blind to see beyond your arguments about words. It isn't about words, it's about how the denotation the use of particular words creates an intentional, even subliminal bias before the context is fully understood.

I'm going to give you a perfect example. Here is a link to a series of still photos that depict a confrontation between a man spouting racial ephitets at protesters amongst a crowd and a black man trying to meet his friends that wasn't a part of the protesters at all but was challenged by the man. thedignityvirus.com

Here's a link to the entire story: www.addictinginfo.org

Now, here we have a video of taken at the scene after the cop confronts the two men and decides to mace and detain only one of them against the appeals of onlookers and the urgent need for this victim to get help in treating the effects of the mace.


Now you tell me who was treated like an "animal" and who wasn't.

#28 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tony, you and Snoofy are assigning positions to other just to argue it.

Snoofy started crying when someone was referenced as an animal who would throw Molotov cocktails into a crowd....and if that person was black.

nobody said anything about the injustice occurring in the links you posted.

hell everybody there was telling the cop he maced the wrong guy. What defense is anybody giving that cop?

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Tony, this wasnt about race. Period. It was stating that anyone (black, white, brown, purple, red, yellow...) who throws "a Molotov cocktail at another human being" is an animal. Is it wrong to say Timothy McVay is an animal? Stop seeing everything through the color of someone's skin. The people who do that are wrong, including the example in your video.

#30 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2014-08-14 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

calling someone an animal is a gloss-over.

it is used by people who really don't want to understand the situation said "animal" was involved in.

animals are reactionary. an "animal" will lash out instinctively and spontaneously at provocation. what timothy mcveigh did was thought-out and meticulously planned.

calling him an animal merely whitewashes any attempt at figuring out what truly happened, why he did what he did, and take steps so that it won't happen again.

#31 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-14 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

None of you yet get it. I'm not talking about the reality of any particular individual, I'm talking about how the use of language often prejudices us in the judgments that we extrapolate from them. If we view acts of civil disobedience that never would have started were it not for the violent murder of an unarmed man and the paramilitary occupation of a community largely trying to exercise its constitutional rights to assemble and seek redress for grievances as being "animalistic," then what praytell does that make those firing teargas into people's yards and shooting rubber bullets and wood blocks while arresting journalists inside McDonalds for not vacating their spot in 45 seconds or less?

Let me reflect, I believe you've been right all along. The people of Ferguson who are standing up to police brutality are indeed animals. They are cornered, trapped and are being assaulted by a military force called the police. Some take the reactions too far but no one should deny that they've been provoked into these actions. Every zookeeper knows that you don't prod animals in cages, right? So let's call them all animals because from what I see, the people there are no better than cattle: just something to be herded wherever their keepers want them to be, civil rights be damned. The master's property has to be protected at all costs.

Violence begets violence in the animal kingdom and in the human one as well.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Today, we are all Fergusonians.

--Old Man McCain

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

"None of you yet get it"

you're talking about "civil disobedience" and Cookfish was talking about throwing Molotov cocktails.

2 different things.

I'm done with this argument. nobody is on the same page...on purpose.

out.

#34 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 11:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well you get what you vote for.
Blacks voted for Obama who is a socialist and so now you have a socialist USSR style police force with Federal police cars running all over the us.

When the federal gov killed all the children at Waco you said nothing.

When the gov took the Cuban kid at gunpoint with federal troops and sent him back to Cuba you said nothing.

You get what you vote for.
Stop voting for the party that created the KKK and voted against civil rights stop voting for democrats.

#35 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-14 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Stop voting for the party that created the KKK and voted against civil rights stop voting for democrats."

TMASTER is so clever to think up that original idea about what Democrats did 60 years ago. What about what Republicans are doing today TMASTER?

#36 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 12:06 PMFlag:

Just about every Klan member between 1865 and 1965 was a Democrat. How Partisan for you not to admitt that.

Dont get me started on who was doing all the hangings back then, or does the brutality escape your memory as well

#37 | Posted by cmbell73 at 2014-08-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Just about every Klan member between 1865 and 1965 was a Democrat. How Partisan for you not to admitt that."

And then they mostly became Republicans which those same folks are to this day. How partisan is it of you not to recognize that? Are you from the South? If you are then you most likely descended from Southern Democrats.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

"When the gov took the Cuban kid at gunpoint with federal troops and sent him back to Cuba you said nothing. "

You mean the one they returned to his father? I applauded.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-14 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Just about every Klan member between 1865 and 1965 was a Democrat. "

That was 50 years ago. You have any current statistics?

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I surprised you took the bait Danni, but here it is, one more time for our historically bereft young-uns:

How Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats) Became Republicans

I'm still shocked (not) at how many ... come here to post on political matters and still don't know about the major shift from Democratic to Republican over civil rights matter and other things in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. It's a matter of history, a matter of record. You can find it all over the internet in reputable areas. It's just a fact.

I grew up and registered the first time into the old Democratic Party, which was a remnant of the old Dixiecrat Party. They hated blacks. They hated Jews. They hated Catholics. I grew up listening to it. I personally knew KKK members. In fact, a boy I dated had an older brother in the KKK (big time Democrats). That older brother's name is online in articles that talk about the Bogalusa Race Riots of the 60's. He had his white sheet on, with at least a half dozen other KKK members that worked for my father and were at our home a lot. He tried to pull a black man out of a car to beat him up and the black man shot him.

You certainly don't have to tell me about the old Dixiecrats. I lived amongst them. Today those same people I knew who hated black people and Jews and hated everything about civil rights are all Republicans. They're not JUST Republicans, they're far right extremists.


BTW, what year are we currently living in? Isn't that the issue, who and what the parties stand for today that is relevant? Blacks used to be reliably Republican because of their debt to Lincoln. What changed?

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as 'ninja' ... Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view."
Jeff Cooper.

The militarization of the police with not only battlefield equipment but also battle tactics. There are many stories of police in full battle gear, dressed in black or cammie from head to toe, bulletproof vest, helmets, faces hidden behind balaclavas carrying flash bangs and fully automatic and often silenced weapons provided by program 1033 which distributes DOD assets to local police forces.

Armored vehicles and battle shock & awe tactics are not policing it's subjugation.

#42 | Posted by kingcuke at 2014-08-14 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

You get what you vote for.
Stop voting for the party that created the KKK and voted against civil rights stop voting for democrats.
#35 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-14 11:57 AM | Reply

"The party lines of the 1860s/1870s are not the party lines of today, although the names stayed the same, the platforms of the two parties reversed each other in the mid-20th century, due in large part to white ‘Dixiecrats' flight out of the Democratic Party and into the Republican Party after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. By then, the Democratic Party had become the party of ‘reform,' supporting a variety of ‘liberal' causes, including civil rights, women's rights, etc. whereas this had been the banner of the Republican Party in the nineteenth century."
Carole Emberton, an associate professor of history at the University at Buffalo.

www.politifact.com

#43 | Posted by kingcuke at 2014-08-14 12:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's the major politician, of any party, who will call for the demilitarization of U.S. police?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I have seen these pictures and it is amazing how many police that town has. Who are these people and where do they all come from? And where in the world did they get all that gear? I thought our police were broke? They should be required to wear name tags and be required to identify themselves and where they are from.

They also need to be taught proper crowd control techniques. Who is teaching them to point guns and shoot tear gas at crowds of innocent people? They should only be responding to violence with those kinds of tactics. Not all of the protests are violent and they are increasing the tensions not reducing them. And they are arresting media and taking their equipment.

Another sad episode in American History. I didn't realize Missouri sucked so bad. Where are the leaders of this town and why are they hiding?

I cannot imagine this type of thing happening around here.

#45 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jesus. This thread went off the rails completely.

Snoofy painted himself into a corner with the whole racism thing but I never expected others to join him there.

Calling someone an animal for throwing a molotov cocktail in this context isn't racist. Doesn't matter if the police were out of line. Throwing a firebomb at another human being in that situation is a clear, unnecessary escalation. Given the horrific consequences for anyone who is hit by molotov cocktail, "animal" is a perfectly OK word to use to describe anyone who would throw one under these circumstances.

And you don't get to sit on a high horse while making excuses for someone who would do something as cruel as to trying to immolate another human being as a sign of "protest". I don't need to try and understand why someone would do such a thing. There is no excuse.

#46 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 01:31 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

And I'm as critical towards police as anyone on this site so don't give me any "bootlicker" BS either.

#47 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

People resist with any means necessary. If all they have is molotov cocktails against a squad of stormtroopers, so be it.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Where's the major politician, of any party, who will call for the demilitarization of U.S. police?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

NO ONE. Militarization is BIG BUSINESS and candidates have to raise money. No one can run on actual liberal ideologies, like demilitarizing the police, because they have to raise money.

One more crappy result of our private election finance system.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-14 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

People resist with any means necessary. If all they have is molotov cocktails against a squad of stormtroopers, so be it.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stormtroopers? Somewhere, Godwin is smiling.

I tend to think the cop in the incident that sparked this is guilty of murder. And I know that the cops have been out of line in handling some protestors.

But if there's a molotov cocktail present at a "protest", I'm not going to blame the cops for busting out their fancy gear and firing tear gas. Legitimate "protestors" don't bring firebombs to a protest. If people want to form violent mobs they should be beaten back like one. Not going to pretend violent mobs are somehow OK.

#50 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Not going to pretend violent mobs are somehow OK.

#50 | Posted by Sully

And they are not.

But, to treat ALL the protesters like violent mobs is also NOT OK. It only leads to an escalation of the violence. And it is also inexcusable to treat reporters like criminals.

There is something very wrong with the leaders of that town.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

-so be it.

So much for peaceful civil disobedience, eh?

I remember all those Molotov cocktails MLK threw... oh, wait...

People who advocate violence (from other people, not themselves, of course, lmao) have run out of anything constructive to say at all.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-14 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"I remember all those Molotov cocktails MLK threw... oh, wait..."

MLK wouldn't have accomplished anything if there weren't riots, er, rebellions in many American cities.

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-14 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

But, to treat ALL the protesters like violent mobs is also NOT OK. It only leads to an escalation of the violence. And it is also inexcusable to treat reporters like criminals.

There is something very wrong with the leaders of that town.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree that they seem to be handling things very poorly.

But making excuses for someone who brings a firebomb to what is supposed to be a peaceful protest is counter productive - doubly so if those excuses come in the form of knee-jerk accusations of racism.

Cricisizing a person based on behavior can never be racist.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-14 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

MLK wouldn't have accomplished anything if there weren't riots, er, rebellions in many American cities.

#53 | Posted by nullifidian

I disagree. Social Reform does not require violence. And MLK did not advocate for any of that violence.

King stated that he was first introduced to the concept of nonviolence when he read Henry David Thoreau's Essay on Civil Disobedience as a freshman at Morehouse College. Having grown up in Atlanta and witnessed segregation and racism every day, King was ‘‘fascinated by the idea of refusing to cooperate with an evil system''

n 1950, as a student at Crozer Theological Seminary, King heard a talk by Dr. Mordecai Johnson, president of Howard University. Dr. Johnson, who had recently traveled to India, spoke about the life and teachings of Mohandas K. Gandhi. Gandhi, King later wrote, was the first person to transform Christian love into a powerful force for social change. Gandhi's stress on love and nonviolence gave King ‘‘the method for social reform that I had been seeking'' (King, Stride, 79).

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

link for above... mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not saying the crowds are right: clearly in fact, they are not, though I find it hard to blame them. If any of them know the victim who died, they are probably more than a little angry. Officer or not, if someone killed one of my friends, family, indeed even pet, my initial response before a cooler head prevailed would most likely be to try to hurt or kill them back.

I'm not saying that's the correct move, a wise, smart, or even moral decision. Just that there would be outrage, at a violent level at first, and there's nothing unusual or inhuman about that.

Ergo, the throwers of these Molotov cocktails are not animals at all. They're very human, and very humanly flawed.

That aside, I'm deeply deeply disturbed by how this is being handled. These images don't look like America. They look like the kind of oppressive third world regimes the United States supports toppling. They look like the kind of heavy-handed tyranny that sparks revolution. They don't look anything like what I expected to see out of my country in my lifetime.

#57 | Posted by zeropointnrg at 2014-08-14 02:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I disagree. Social Reform does not require violence.
#55 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-08-14 02:04 PM | FLAG:

C.O. Chinn disagrees.

Retort thread: Armed black militia helped kill jim crow

#58 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-14 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Animals throw Molotov cocktails and loot gas stations and shoe stores while pretending to be doing it in order to protest the death of somebody they never knew.
I suppose calling them savages is racist too, even though that's what any white stooge rioting after his sports team wins/loses is considered.

Anyone lighting a firebomb should be dropped dead in his tracks by a police sniper.

#59 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-14 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's the major politician, of any party, who will call for the demilitarization of U.S. police?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

That would be Rand Paul.

www.theblaze.com

#60 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-14 03:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sitz.. yes...there are a lot of people who disagree with nonviolent protest.

But, it has been proven to work. And, yes, it will take longer sometimes. And, yes, people will get hurt and even die. But, shine a light on these events and shame them and the cockroaches scurry for cover. That is the trick and that is why they hate the media being there to witness these atrocities to the world. It takes courage, creativity and perseverance. Something we appear to be in short supply of these days.

Also, don't confuse standing up for your rights and self defense of you and your family and property with nonviolent protest.

(It is a very interesting story though.)

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone lighting a firebomb should be dropped dead in his tracks by a police sniper.

#59 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Yeah! Like we do with them "Sovereign Citizens" who shoot at the police and firemen in them "well-to-do" neighborhoods. Wait. Nevermind. We don't do that.

#62 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where's the major politician, of any party, who will call for the demilitarization of U.S. police?

#44 | Posted by nullifidian

That would be Rand Paul.

www.theblaze.com

#60 | Posted by Daniel

He also calls for the elimination of the EPA, dept of education, medicaid, minimum wage, and taxes on investments.

That's the problem with Paul. He's got a few great ideas, and a ton of terrible ones.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-14 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I'm a psychopath, Snoofy?
#22 | Posted by eberly

No, but if you keep proclaiming people you hate aren't human, you'll end up one.

There's a remarkably well known regime of the twentieth century that referred to people it wanted to see exterminated as sub-humans.

I don't see that being the sort of language that a person can use in good faith. There's always a point to dehumanizing someone; can you tell us what yours is?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sitz.. yes...there are a lot of people who disagree with nonviolent protest.

#61 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2014-08-14 03:24 PM | FLAG:

I can drive 5 hours and be in a place where protesting gets you kidnapped and burned alive in a drum of diesel fuel. The people have found it necessary to form vigilante militias.

Non-violent protesting seems circumstantial at best.

#65 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-14 04:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's interesting that Obama was ever elected POTUS. He had no background or resume to even be a senator. However, most of the electorate voted him in because they were upset with Bush, he had the right skin color (and certain folks like to appear to be progressive along with overwhelming black voters----what did MLK say?), McCain wasn't a viable alternative, and the background of his youth was dismissed. Now we have a domestic and global mess. Obama is missing in action a good part of his presidency and he appears to be a puppet of the elite and powerful. A good number of the electorate along with even the erstwhile black electorate are wondering Wha Happened? In fact, Obama has armed the metropolitan and even small town police departments with military hardware cast-offs. A reasonable person would sit and ponder why. I would opine that the rioting in Ferguson is only a trial balloon of what to expect in the future. Europe is economically heading south again and it's beyond me why they'll listen to the U.S. any longer since placing sanctions on Russia is like cutting your own throats. China's economy is hanging by a thread and ours looks better then it is due to constant prevarication by the government. It's only a matter of time when our economy will implode again due to debt that will ultimately strangle what little growth there is. The global elite and banksters continue to pull the strings attempting to keep their global plan intact as it slowly slips through their greasy paws. The coming implosion will force a new world order and the U.S. and global thugs will no longer be able to force their will on the rest of humanity.

#66 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-14 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see a nys trooper that lives down the street wear green military fatigues to work every day. I always get a chuckle. Is he patrolling the jungle here in buffalo? Are their moving violations in the rain forest? Is there paperwork he needs to sneak up on?

That being said, if I'm showing up to a riot I'm wearing tactical gear. It would be stupid not to. Where would I keep all of my "looter be good" gear if I showed up wearing a normal police officer uni and belt? Belts and caps don't deflect bricks.

#67 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-14 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are ALL animals first and human second.

To me what this incident shows is how we as animals will protect what we consider to be ours.

The protesters want their lives, their neighborhood, and their larger community to respect their integrity while they know they are being marginalized.

The leaders of the community wants quiet. So they gladly over-enforce this small community Boss Hog style.

#68 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-08-14 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are ALL animals first and human second.

Okay, but when people say so-and-so is an animal, they're not speaking as a biologist.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cops have been occupying soldiers since they were allowed to be armed.

Ask any black person who fought for civil rights in the 1960s.

#70 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-14 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Animals protect things by destroying them? That's not just odd, it's stupid.

Nobody believes the looting and rioting is being done for any other purpose other than robbing and destroying things.

I get that destroying things can be fun. The thing is, it's illegal. So is shooting at aircraft.

#71 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-14 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snoofy - they are protecting their integrity above the "Other."

Again, protecting what we perceive to be ours is what causes wars.

#72 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-08-14 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

In fact, Obama has armed the metropolitan and even small town police departments with military hardware cast-offs.

#66 | Posted by matsop

yeah remeber back in 2002 when obama created the Dept of Homeland security and gave states grants to buy all this military hardware in the name of his "war on terrorism?" What a horrible president he was in 2002!

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-14 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I get that destroying things can be fun. The thing is, it's illegal. So is shooting at aircraft.

#71 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Yeah!

If they want to destroy stuff and shoot at airplanes they should join the military.

#74 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What a relief that he can dehumanize anyone, regardless of their skin color. He's an equal opportunity psychopath."

Um, if the dehumanization is universally applied, then it's not really dehumanization. It's like saying that a misanthrope is racist because he dislikes people. Feel free to try again.

I'm not sure why these cops are wearing multicam and carrying ARs though. I also saw a picture of some big truck with what looked like a machine gun mounted on it. SWAT team maybe?

Cops are not the military. When they dress like the military, no good can come from it. Cops don't need camoflauge. They don't need to hide. And if they need to wear some sort of utility uniform, why should it not be in a bright color or clearly identifiable as law enforcement?

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-14 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In fact, Obama has armed the metropolitan and even small town police departments with military hardware cast-offs."

That is becoming a problem. Military equipment is expensive to operate and maintain. Most police units lack the funding to do so, even when the equipment itself is free. the end result is a high tech peice of war hardware being operated by someone with minimal training.

#76 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-14 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

The best post I've ever read of yours.

NW and Kudos!

#77 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-14 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

When they dress like the military, no good can come from it. Cops don't need camoflauge. They don't need to hide. And if they need to wear some sort of utility uniform, why should it not be in a bright color or clearly identifiable as law enforcement?
#75 | Posted by madbomber

Hey, I agree with you. But the reason they'll tell you they do it is for their safety. The same reason they do no-knock raids under cover of darkness. Pretty much every branch of government is okay with it.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

How about undercover cops?

Waterford -- Oakland County Republican Party officials are beefing up security for a county convention Thursday night in anticipation of a potential political clash with tea party activists.

Delegates elected to attend the state convention could decide whether Gov. Rick Snyder gets to keep Lt. Gov. Brian Calley on the ticket or whether he has to seek re-election with Hartland tea party leader Wes Nakagiri.

Jim Thienel, chairman of the Oakland County GOP, said the party is bringing in "significant paid security" to help keep the peace at the county convention, which is being held at Oakland Schools' campus in Waterford.

Waterford Township is sending at least six uniformed police officers and an undisclosed number of plainclothes officers, which the county party will pay for, Thienel said.

From The Detroit News: www.detroitnews.com

#79 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-14 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a horrible president he was in 2002!

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You forget Obama ids a time traveler. He probably wrote the PATRIOT act while traveling back from sticking that forged birth certificate in Hawaii's records and newspaper.

#80 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-14 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Gobdabnit, how many times do I have to say it began with the black uniforms. Officer Friendly now looks like SturmStaffelGruppenfuhrer Friendly.

#81 | Posted by john47 at 2014-08-14 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Statement by Attorney General Eric Holder on Latest Developments in Ferguson, Missouri

This morning, I met with President Obama to discuss the events in Ferguson, Missouri. Like the President, I extend my heartfelt condolences to the family of Michael Brown. While his death has understandably caused heartache within the community, it is clear that the scenes playing out in the streets of Ferguson over the last several nights cannot continue.

"For one thing, while the vast majority of protests have been peaceful, acts of violence by members of the public cannot be condoned. Looting and willful efforts to antagonize law enforcement officers who are genuinely trying to protect the public do nothing to remember the young man who has died. Such conduct is unacceptable and must be unequivocally condemned.

"By the same token, the law enforcement response to these demonstrations must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them. Those who peacefully gather to express sympathy for the family of Michael Brown must have their rights respected at all times. And journalists must not be harassed or prevented from covering a story that needs to be told.

"At a time when we must seek to rebuild trust between law enforcement and the local community, I am deeply concerned that the deployment of military equipment and vehicles sends a conflicting message. At my direction, Department officials have conveyed these concerns to local authorities. Also at my direction, the Department is offering – through our COPS office and Office of Justice Programs – technical assistance to local authorities in order to help conduct crowd control and maintain public safety without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force. The local authorities in Missouri have accepted this offer of assistance as of this afternoon.

"Department officials from the Community Relations Service are also on the ground in Missouri to help convene law enforcement officials and civic and faith leaders to plot out steps to reduce tensions in the community. The latest such meeting was convened in Ferguson as recently as this morning. Over time, these conversations should consider the role that increased diversity in law enforcement can play in helping to build trust within communities.

"All the while, the federal civil rights investigation into the shooting incident itself continues, in parallel with the local investigation into state law violations. Our investigators from the Civil Rights Division and U.S. attorney's office in Missouri have already conducted interviews with eyewitnesses on the scene at the time of the shooting incident on Saturday. Our review will take time to conduct, but it will be thorough and fair."

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

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