Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Michael W. Walters: The disturbing nature of the frequency of recent news reports in which unarmed black men have been killed by law enforcement officers is only exceeded by this fact: the act itself is deeply embedded into the racial fabric of our nation. Fifty years removed from the Freedom Summer murders of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner -- a conspiracy allegedly enacted by Neshoba County sheriff Lawrence A. Rainey -- we still face the difficult reality that for generations unarmed black men have met their demise at the hands of those sworn to serve and to protect all citizens. There is cause for great concern as I believe that a critical mass of law enforcement officers find black lives expendable. Towards this, I see this likely cause: there is a racially-motivated culture of fear that over-assigns threat to blacks, especially, but not exclusively, to black males, even when no justifiable threat is present.

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Mine is not an indictment of all police officers. There are many men and women who put their lives on the line for the public good each day. Some I have been blessed to call mentor or friend. Many officers themselves have lost their lives. I honor their memories and ultimate sacrifice even as I offer gratitude for those who continue to work with great integrity to keep us safe.

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Another day, another unarmed black man killed by police. We grieve their loss and pray God's strength for their families:

Eric Garner, 43, strangled to death on a Staten Island sidewalk.

John Crawford, 22, shot to death in a Beavercreek Walmart.

Michael Brown, 18, shot to death, reportedly with arms raised, on a Ferguson street.

How often must we drink from this bitter well?


I hope everyone takes the time to read the entire article and educate or re-educate themselves about America's tortured history with blacks that began with slavery. There isn't heated rhetoric, just the calm recitation of a history so many contemporaries ignore and try to explain away as though the ripples have no effect in today's society. Such thinking couldn't be more wrong and deleterious if it wasn't so blissfully oblivious to the actual reality many face in our modern society. America is supposed to believe in core principles, many enshrined in our Constitution. Killing unarmed citizens because law enforcement fears what they might do isn't one of them.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

On the night of June 21, 1964, a year after the brutal assassination of Medgar Evers, three courageous young men were also killed in Mississippi. The two white men, Goodman, 20, and Schwerner, 24, died of a single gunshot wound to the heart. The lone Black man, Chaney, 21, was tortured, then tied to a tree and beaten with chains, before ultimately being shot three times. Here, even amid brutalities, a clear distinction was made concerning the value of Black life, the white lives ended immediately, with diabolic mercy, the Black life made to suffer greatly before finally being terminated. In the search for these three men after their disappearance, eight more Black bodies were found having been discarded like rubbish across Mississippi lakes, forests, and plains. Undoubtedly, law enforcement had a hand in these deaths as well, Sheriff Rainey notorious for intimidating and killing Blacks.

Historically, Black bodies have been considered expendable and easily replaceable. Tens of millions of Africans were brought to this nation as slaves because Black life was considered expendable. If an African became gravely ill or died while in forced voyage to the "New World," they were just thrown into the sea. While Black life was considered expendable, and the supply of other Africans on the continent was considered inexhaustible. Other Black bodies would substitute for any losses in future voyages.

During American slavery, Black babies and children were used as bait to lure alligators from the swamps for capture. This sometimes resulted in the maiming or death of these Black children because Black life was considered expendable. The United States Public Health Service used Black men to test the impact of untreated syphilis from 1932-1972 resulting in the death of many Black men and in the infection of their partners because Black life was considered expendable.


There is so much to digest. Here's just a little snippet more.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

: there is a racially-motivated culture of fear that over-assigns threat to Blacks, especially, but not exclusively, to Black males, even when no justifiable threat is present.

Influenced in any way through their own actions, such as the ones they engaged in in Ferguson and St. Louis?

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-12 05:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

over-assigns threat to Blacks, especially, but not exclusively, to Black males, even when no justifiable threat is present.

"Hey, I just arrest 'em, I don't MAKE them steal!!"

-Nick Nolte "48 Hours"

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-12 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Influenced in any way through their own actions, such as the ones they engaged in in Ferguson and St. Louis?

What actions are you talking about? The "actions" recounted by the man a foot away from the victim or the account being floated by law enforcement?

Isn't it a little early to blame the victim without a single concrete fact in evidence that he committed any criminal act whatsoever? I didn't realize that talking to a cop -- whatever was said -- is now considered a capital offense.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Not those actions. The looting, wilding and destruction. I thought "and St. Louis" was a dead giveaway.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-12 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6

So why bait me to comment on something that is common sense? How can one argue that the law should protect the innocent and then project that breaking the law in revenge is justified? I've seen no one of substance ever do that. What some say is that the anger and frustration overcomes some to break the law in response to other actions is arguably justified when illegal force was used against others to start the chain reaction.

This is the type of response that I've read about the subject:

"Martin Luther King did not live and die so that we might steal in the name of justice in the middle of the night," said Brooks. "He lived and died so that we could seek justice wide open in the middle of the day". huff.to

#7 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

101

The very problems you speak about emanate from the same source. I know you don't know, but I don't know if you want to know and understand. Most blacks can't articulate why our culture exists as it does because so many factors caused it to develop as it has. In no way is this any abdication for anyone's responsibility for what they consciously do, but it illuminates many factors which contribute to the state of the culture in the present.

www.theatlantic.com

Although the article is the attempt to quantify America's assumed debt to the ancestors of slaves, that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how the very culture of slavery pitted black against black -- often to the death -- dehumanizing both sides at the same time. There is a reason the grandchildren of this culture seem to have less regard for their racial brothers: That was precisely how their ancestors were taught to view each other under the vestiges of slavery.

Again, no excuse, but an explanation, especially if one's self-worth is tied to how the entire culture views the value of your life by its own concerns and priorities.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, I'll give it a read.

#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-12 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're welcome.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 09:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

It seems we are moving backwards. In the sixties, 65% of young black men where employed. Today it's 35%.

Today, 53% of violent crime is carried out by just 3% of the population - young black males under 35. FBI crime statistics say a black man is six times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white man, three times more likely than a Hispanic.

I blame the breakdown of the black family for this, not slavery or racism, or the problem would not be getting worse.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-12 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"Today, 53% of violent crime is carried out by just 3% of the population - young black males under 35."

Link? I would assume it was disproportionate but not that much.

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-12 09:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

I blame the breakdown of the black family for this, not slavery or racism, or the problem would not be getting worse.

There's an historical straight line that connects every factor that you mention. The narrative is in the link in #11.

The statistical changes are driven more by the war on drugs, the rise of trickle-down and the declining middle class than they are by simply broken families. How could anyone not match the incredulous increase in black male incarceration and NOT tie it into the single-parent household crisis?

The question should be how many people of all races are drawn into crime because personal drug use remains illegal and rehab services scarce in the communities most affected by all three factors?

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 this is as close to an internet source as I could find, Eberly.

According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.[32][33]

From wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org
Here's an article that says its more like 75% in New York:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ new-york/commissioner-kelly- defends-stop-and-frisk- targeting-african-americans- article-1.1332840

#17 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-12 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It's important to consider the current level of segregation as well. People are born into the gang wars and can't escape. If you're born into a war zone you're going to learn that violence is the answer. If you don't have any prospects for the future you're not going to want to protect your future potential by obeying laws. You're thinking of getting your next meal or protecting your own safety.

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-13 10:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's a human condition.

The Caste system exists in every region of every country. Poverty and ignorance is inbred and repeated through generations just as wealthy elitist Ivy Leaguers are bred and raised. Some break out of the cycle of poverty while others fall out of favor with their high-brow bloodline.

We'll always be a global society of haves and have-nots. There are plenty of success stories of exiting the ghettos. Sadly, they are engulfed by those mired in it's muck.

If you want to hear the disgust and frustration from a black perspective, listen to Bill Cosby

#19 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-13 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why do you ONLY care when it's cops or white people killing black people?

#20 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-13 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sincere question: Do they suffer the same level of black on black violence in Africa? Or is this something that can be strictly traced to the American experience?

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-13 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#21, I read on the Daily Telegraph that 90% of gang rapes in England are committed by blacks. Other than that, there is no evidence whatsoever if crime rates in England match crime rates in America.

I seriously doubt they do, but I could be wrong.

Crime rates in South Africa are disturbing, but are falling - they don't seem to be as bad off as, say, Mexico when it comes to murder, though.

Rape, one the other hand....

The country has one of the highest rates of rape in the world, with some 65,000 rapes and other sexual assaults reported for the year ending in March 2012, or 127.6 per 100,000 people in the country.[1][13] The incidence of rape has led to the country being referred to as the "rape capital of the world".[14] One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year.[15] More than 25 per cent of South African men questioned in a survey published by the Medical Research Council (MRC) in June 2009 admitted to rape; of those, nearly half said they had raped more than one person.[16][17] Three out of four of those who had admitted rape indicated that they had attacked for the first time during their teens.[16] South Africa has amongst the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world. If the rapist is convicted, his prison time would be around 2 years.[18] [19]

from wiki:
en.wikipedia.org

#22 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

The question should be how many people of all races are drawn into crime because personal drug use remains illegal and rehab services scarce in the communities most affected by all three factors?

#16 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Its not drug use causing crime, it is poverty. The interaction between drugs and crime is very complex. But poverty and crime are hand in hand, where you find one you find the other.....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-13 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 Poverty doesn't explain rape.

#24 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 08:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Being a garbageman is far more dangerous than being a policeman. I do not understand why the police are not trained to disable real or imaginary threats by shooting them in the legs, instead of always shooting to kill.

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-13 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I blame the breakdown of the black family for this, not slavery or racism, or the problem would not be getting worse.

I read years ago the slavery issue was directly related to the emasculation of black males and the root cause of black nuclear family breakdown.
Anyone who's been married with children can see this happen when there is a split with their partner. The attitudes of the children changes with the male being absent.

rwd

#26 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-13 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I do not understand why the police are not trained to disable real or imaginary threats by shooting them in the legs, instead of always shooting to kill.

#25 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-13 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag

That is how they are trained. If in their judgment pulling the trigger on someone is the only solution then they shoot to kill.
Again, some years ago a cop shot at a perp and shot at his legs to stop him but the perp made it to the cop anyway and almost took his gun.
Also, I am not dismissing the actions of cops that kill citizens when they could have found another way to disarm the situation. Shooting someone should always be the last choice.

rwd

#27 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-13 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#26 then why didn't it happen in the early twentieth century instead of later on? Why does the black crime rate match the out-of-wedlock birth rate curve?

Let's look at that. I think that what we are seeing is the collapse of black culture in America, and you can argue that it's driven by poverty or the War on Drugs, but that's only a small part of the problem. Racism is a small part of the problem. But "emasculation" due to slavery is ridiculous - that was 150 years ago.

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#28 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 08:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think the issue, at least from my perspective is it's been going on for a very long time. I read that report probably over 20 yrs ago. As people here are fond of saying welfare family's train their offspring to be on welfare, it's a never ending cycle.
The emasculation of the black male is a product of their youth the attitude going back to 30's 40's and 50's. And before that the slavery issue, where black males were felt to be worthless and subhuman. A trait that carries over to this day.

rwd

#29 | Posted by rightwingdon at 2014-08-13 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

But "emasculation" due to slavery is ridiculous - that was 150 years ago.
#28 | Posted by HeliumRat

Claiming it ended with slavery is ridiculous. Jim Crow lasted another 100 years.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why are Palestinian lives expendable?

Why were Jewish/gypsy/Russian/polish lives expendable in ww2?

Answer: It's our oil, #$%^ you.

#31 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-13 09:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 Come on Snoofy, it's been 50 years since Jim Crow. Today's generation doesn't even remember it.

#32 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 And another thing: black crime rates where much lower, employment was much higher, there was a boom in black culture, and the bastardy rate was at the same level as whites back then.

Explain the difference between then and now. I said it before, in the 1950's black male employment was at 65%, today it's at 35%. Is that caused by Jim Crow?

#33 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 09:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Racism is a small part of the problem. But "emasculation" due to slavery is ridiculous - that was 150 years ago.

But Jim Crow and separate but equal is less than 50 years past. Read the link in #11 for how and why the vestiges of slavery still resonates and impacts black America yet today.

Did you watch Django Unchained? Did you see how blacks were forced to fight and oppose each other for their master's pleasure or perversions? Did you see how families were torn apart as the means to control the "property"? These things were never done systematically across an entire race of people as was done to black slaves. The US Constitution named my ancestors as property at the disposal of their owners. The Emancipation Proclamation may have freed the slaves but it brought the rise of the Ku Klux Klan, indentured servitude, and Plessy vs. Ferguson which wasn't completely eradicated for nearly another century.

To say that slavery doesn't impact black culture today is to deny all of the history proving that it does as it regards the still different way some blacks are perceived as compared to persons of other cultures. Again, this is not an excuse for anything, it's merely an explanation of influences that largely go unseen. Black Americans have been taught by this society to diminish the lives and concerns of our own people in order to fit in better with other portions of our society.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

I said it before, in the 1950's black male employment was at 65%, today it's at 35%. Is that caused by Jim Crow?

A lot of it has to do with the war on drugs and the high incarceration rate of black males. You can't get a job when you're in prison and when you're a black ex-con, you're not going to out-compete too many people for jobs.

Every study that comes down the pike proves that blacks do NOT use drugs more than whites, but they many, many times more likely to be arrested and incarcerated than are whites for the same offenses.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 09:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why do you ONLY care when it's cops or white people killing black people?

Why would you make such an assumption? I care about anyone taking any live without justifiable reason and I've never argued anything less. The article doesn't ask for a pass for any killing whatsoever, but when law enforcement wrongly takes an innocent life regardless of the color of the victim, we need to stop and ask why and demand that justice be served just as if it were the policeman on the other end.

When a law man is killed by a criminal, I don't see very many reasoned arguments that the cop likely deserved it unless he was involved in something illegal. Why isn't the same consideration given to victims of police shooting instead of the instant recitation of tangential information that has nothing directly to do with the actions being discussed?

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Django was fact? I don't know. What I remember was that every white person died.

I've never seen a more violent movie

#37 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-13 09:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, back to the article. Yeah, the cop was unjustified in shooting him.

To say that slavery doesn't impact black culture today is to deny all of the history proving that it does as it regards the still different way some blacks are perceived as compared to persons of other cultures. Again, this is not an excuse for anything, it's merely an explanation of influences that largely go unseen. Black Americans have been taught by this society to diminish the lives and concerns of our own people in order to fit in better with other portions of our society.

Horse radish. Blacks are not taught that, unless it's by other blacks. And that speaks to the death spiral of black culture.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 09:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

"To say that slavery doesn't impact black culture today is to deny all of the history proving that it does as it regards the still different way some blacks are perceived as compared to persons of other cultures."

Black folks from Africa who move to or visit the US are told to steer clear of American Blacks. Slavery may have some impact on the descendants of slaves, but what about all the rest? Those whose ancestors came here after 1865?

It also doesn't take into account that the descendants of slaves who live in many Caribbean nations consistently outperform all Americans, regardless of race.

But, progressives need votes. And to keep black people dependent on government programs is about as good a way to secure those votes as one could want.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-13 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Read the history recited in the link from post 11 and get back to me.

And I'm not talking about the reparations, I'm speaking about the history and the active laws that have kept blacks in their place since slavery ended.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many more will this nation tolerate without protest?

08/13/2014 4:42 pm EDT

An eyewitness to the killing of Ezell Ford told The Huffington Post on Wednesday that he heard an officer with the Los Angeles Police Department shout "shoot him" before three bullets were unloaded into the unarmed, 25-year-old black man, who was on the ground.

"It is unknown if the suspect has any gang affiliations," the LAPD said in a statement after the killing.

But people in Ford's neighborhood said the young man was not remotely involved in gang activity. Leroy Hill said he was an eyewitness to the shooting Monday night, and confirmed that he heard three shots.

"He wasn't a ---------er at all," Hill said to HuffPost. "I was sitting across the street when it happened. So as he was walking down the street, the police approached him, whatever was said I couldn't hear it, but the cops jumped out of the car and rushed him over here into this corner. They had him in the corner and were beating him, busted him up, for what reason I don't know he didn't do nothing. The next thing I know I hear a 'pow!' while he's on the ground. They got the knee on him. And then I hear another 'pow!' No hesitation. And then I hear another 'pow!' Three times."

At one point while the police had Ford on the ground, but before the shooting took place, Hill said, he heard an officer yell, "Shoot him." www.huffingtonpost.com


Why is it alright for police to kill unarmed black men and why does any discussion of the subject always get hijacked into an indictment upon the entire black race?

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

But, progressives need votes. And to keep black people dependent on government programs is about as good a way to secure those votes as one could want.
#40 | Posted by madbomber

"Citation needed"

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 Come on Snoofy, it's been 50 years since Jim Crow. Today's generation doesn't even remember it.
#32 | Posted by HeliumRat

I don't remember WWII. Are you suggesting it's had no impact on the course of my life? Ich denke nicht.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard to take writers like this seriously because of the lack of outcry against the black on black violence.

#45 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-13 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony, I read your tedious article; my take was that laws prevented blacks from generating generational wealth, which is somewhat true.

I watched a really good C-SPAN show by a black lawyer who grew up under Jim Crow (I love C-SPAN) that said much the same thing.

But it was far worse for blacks back then than it is now, and black poverty and crime rates have been getting worse, not better!

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44 Japan and Germany are rich nations today. Germans are even richer than we are.

So yeah, our rebuilding efforts and democratic values enema had an effect.

#47 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

#44 Japan and Germany are rich nations today. Germans are even richer than we are.

So yeah, our rebuilding efforts and democratic values enema had an effect.
#47 | Posted by HeliumRat

So you're saying maybe we need a Marshall Plan for black neighborhoods? Heck let's do Appalachia too while we're at it.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard to take writers like this seriously because of the lack of outcry against the black on black violence.
#45 | Posted by RobThomas

It's hard to take comments like yours seriously because of its author's inability or unwillingness to realize that black on black violence highlights the disposable nature of black lives.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#48, I'm with you. That's exactly what we need.

I'd start by imposing an import duty on all goods produced by slave-wage nations. That will bring our factories back.

Then I guess we need tax reform, in a serious way.

#50 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#48, I'm with you. That's exactly what we need.

I'd start by imposing an import duty on all goods produced by slave-wage nations. That will bring our factories back.

That's not how the Marshall Plan en.wikipedia.org so it sounds like you're actually for something else entirely.

The goals of the United States were to rebuild war-devastated regions, remove trade barriers, modernize industry, and make Europe prosperous again

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#46

I don't think anyone would ever say that today offers the greatest opportunities for ALL people in this nation than ever before. As I've repeatedly said, history is an explanation not an excuse for what shouldn't happen. We would not even be having this conversation were it not for the repeated shootings of unarmed black men for dubious reasons.

If you do not see a double standard in our society, let me flesh one out for you. In Utah, Mr. Bundy has flouted federal law, trespassed on other's property and refused to pay fees that he owes to the government. And when US officials went to confront him, they were greeted by armed milita members drawing down on the agents daring them to cross a literal line.

Today in Missouri, we see a paramilitary local and state police force drawing down on peaceful, yet agitated protesters; arresting media members in McDonalds for not showing ID and leaving the premises as swiftly as the officers wanted; while the blood of an 18 unarmed black male has barely dried upon the streets where his life was taken for walking in the street when an officer told him to 'get the eff out of (it)'. Black American citizens have been tear-gassed in their own yard when police told them to disperse from it and I've yet to see any constitutional patriot rally to their defense for the illegal neutering of their legal rights.

There is no justice here, only recriminations and persecution. Yes, the police have to protect the property of the community, but they do not have to treat protesting citizens eerily like law enforcement did in the South circa 1963. You tell me the era has changed and I tell you to turn on your tv and tell me if you still actually think so.

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

#51 trade barriers wouldn't be imposed on nations with high wages. It's an incentive for poor nations to allow labor unions (instead of just using the army to shoot labor activists) and to raise wages.

It's different from the Marshall plan, because it's for America's poor, not Europe's.

But by undermining Globalization, it will benefit the world.

All I ask is your vote to become Supreme Commander.

#53 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

First line should be "anyone would ever say that today DOESN'T offer the greatest opportunities...."

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#52 I'm with you on the militia thing in Utah. If I was president, we would have stormed the place.

The FBI has been too ----- since Waco. But at least 'sovereign citizens' are considered our #1 terror threat (see my story on the back page).

#55 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#52 And George Washington would have stormed it too. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion?

#56 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-13 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

If I was president, we would have stormed the place.

Obama nor Holder could make any such call in today's environment even though there was every conceivable reason for having done so.

Missouri is getting out of control. No one has fired on anyone, yet police rifles are drawn, tanks with rifle mounts are pointed at citizens and tear gas is being tossed throughout the neighborhood. Except for the lack of bloodshed, it looks just like the old protests in Gaza without most of the anti-cop violence.

#57 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Think they'll start throwing rocks at armored vehicles soon? Think they'll get shot in response?

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama nor Holder could make any such call in today's environment even though there was every conceivable reason for having done so.

Missouri is getting out of control. No one has fired on anyone, yet police rifles are drawn, tanks with rifle mounts are pointed at citizens and tear gas is being tossed throughout the neighborhood. Except for the lack of bloodshed, it looks just like the old protests in Gaza without most of the anti-cop violence.

Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-13 10:43 PM | Reply

That's the trouble. We don't elect Statesmen and leaders anymore. It's whatever flavour tastes best within a given party. Sad to say.

#59 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-13 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's only going to get worse in the black communities especially since the Feds have sold military weaponry to police departments. It'll give these departments the idea that the citizenry is the enemy and you can probably multiply that a few times for the black community. The worse thing that ever happened to the black community was the 1960s and Johnson's great society programs encompassing the welfare system that dis-incentivized the black male from staying with his family. After that, the barn door was closed on any potential further progress for the community at large. It was a travesty for which there are no longer any answers for. When the hard times come again, the black community will suffer the most.

#60 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-13 11:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear

You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that you've seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interests run

On the radio talk shows and TV
You hear one thing again and again
How the USA stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends?
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take anymore
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone

And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

There's a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we can't even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us everything from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars

I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can't be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die

And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Jackson Browne

#61 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-13 11:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"especially since the Feds have sold military weaponry to police departments. "

Remember when cops wore blue uniforms?

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#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-13 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"especially since the Feds have sold military weaponry to police departments. "

I know of police departments that were given weaponry for free.

#63 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-13 11:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

The worse thing that ever happened to the black community was the 1960s and Johnson's great society programs encompassing the welfare system that dis-incentivized the black male from staying with his family.
#60 | Posted by matsop

I'm curious if that's also the worst thing that ever happened to the white community, seeing as there's no racial component to welfare programs.

My explanation is found in this graph, en.wikipedia.org , which shows that welfare benefits today (or, rather, in 2006) are about 65% of their 1977 peak. Coupled with an economy in which "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households." www.cia.gov

I guess we can agree, though, that these are things that happened to their community, not grassroots movements.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-13 11:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm curious if that's also the worst thing that ever happened to the white community, seeing as there's no racial component to welfare programs. - Snoofy

I would agree, but there isn't the "oppression" component to the other races population, though looking at the DoJ statistics.....

Not so sure Snoofy..... perhaps in $ but not in #....
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#65 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-13 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Jackson Browne

Lawless Avenues

www.youtube.com

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-13 11:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

I blame the breakdown of the black family for this, not slavery or racism, or the problem would not be getting worse.

#14 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2014-08-12 09:14 PM | FLAG:

This is true. But it doesn't stick because then there is no one for the politicians/race hustlers to blame.

#67 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 12:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's hard to take comments like yours seriously because of its author's inability or unwillingness to realize that black on black violence highlights the disposable nature of black lives.

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-08-13 10:17 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Blacks are killing other blacks is a result of lack of respect for the individual in the black community. See abortions. See murders. See drugs. See no males in the households. Every issue the result of no respect for themselves. You know, the ones that call each other the 'N' word and present women in the music as 'hos' and 'bitchs'.

Why do you set all of your own posts to NEWSWORTHY?

#68 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why do you set all of your own posts to NEWSWORTHY?
#68 | Posted by RobThomas

I don't.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Blacks are killing other blacks is a result of lack of respect for the individual in the black community. See abortions. See murders. See drugs. See no males in the households. Every issue the result of no respect for themselves. You know, the ones that call each other the 'N' word and present women in the music as 'hos' and 'bitchs'.
#68 | Posted by RobThomas

Who do you think respects black people more, you or black people?
Or do you both have zero respect?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

I blame the breakdown of the black family for this, not slavery or racism, or the problem would not be getting worse.
#14 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2014-08-12 09:14 PM | FLAG:

This is true. But it doesn't stick because then there is no one for the politicians/race hustlers to blame.
#67 | Posted by RobThomas

Blaming doesn't solve problems.

All it does is absolve you of any responsibility for fixing them.

One might conclude, since you're not interested in fixing it, you don't really think an under-performing black class is a problem...

One might go even further and posit the only real problem you have is your perception that some portion of your tax bill goes to welfare programs.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 01:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

A 2011 U.S. Department Of Justice study reports that Blacks are six times more likely to be victims of violent crime than whites. The same study reports that Blacks are eight times more likely than whites to be perpetrators of violent crime than their white counterparts.

The same study states that 84 percent of Whites are killed by Whites while 93 percent of Blacks are killed by Blacks.

newsone.com

What's more Black people in America consist of 12.6% and white people 80% of the population.

"Why Are Black Lives Expendable?"

They're not expendable to me but the perps seem to think differently. :(

Am I tired?

You bet.

DO I make sense?

I hope so.

#72 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-14 01:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lets look at the characteristics of the much hated classic "White Racist"

--Ignorant and uneducated
--Prone to violence if disrespected
--The few educated ones usually not violent, but spent far more effort covering for the violent ones than really doing anything worth a damn to stop the violence (note on the 'covering'. They never viewed it as 'covering', but that's what it was (and is)).

Gee, who do those characteristics remind you of?

Modeling your behavior (even without intent) on ignorant racist LOSERS is not a recipe for success or for an improved life for 'your people'.

Jesse, Al, etc, congrats, you have become what you claim to hate, racked up a bigger body count, spent vast sums of money, and have NOTHING to show for it but festering hatred and multi generational poverty.

#73 | Posted by USAF242 at 2014-08-14 02:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

The physical difference between the white and black races manifest in this case in regard of the utilization of excess capacity during times of plenty. The white convert excess food into stored wealth; the black into augmented reproduction. Upon recoil of the natural sinusoidal pattern of feast and famine, the white releases stored wealth; the black response is to reduce the population directly via the agent of scarcity.

#74 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 02:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

--Ignorant and uneducated
--Prone to violence if disrespected
--The few educated ones usually not violent, but spent far more effort covering for the violent ones than really doing anything worth a damn to stop the violence (note on the 'covering'. They never viewed it as 'covering', but that's what it was (and is)).

Gee, who do those characteristics remind you of?
#73 | Posted by USAF242

It reminds me of cops.
Who does it remind you of?

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-14 02:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"--Ignorant and uneducated
--Prone to violence if disrespected
--The few educated ones usually not violent, but spent far more effort covering for the violent ones than really doing anything worth a damn to stop the violence (note on the 'covering'. They never viewed it as 'covering', but that's what it was (and is)).

Gee, who do those characteristics remind you of?
#73 | Posted by USAF242

It reminds me of cops.
Who does it remind you of?

#75 | Posted by snoofy"

"I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

The acute and observant Mr. Snoofy illuminates an overlap, by reversing the equally valid description rendered by the esteemed Mr. Airforce. We should, though, I believe concentrate to reconcile the differences that exist, as opposed to labeling overlapping characteristics as equivalences.

#76 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 02:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

The physical difference between the white and black races manifest in this case in regard of the utilization of excess capacity during times of plenty. The white convert excess food into stored wealth; the black into augmented reproduction. Upon recoil of the natural sinusoidal pattern of feast and famine, the white releases stored wealth; the black response is to reduce the population directly via the agent of scarcity.
Where did you get that? It's a classic.

I can't find it on google.

#77 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-14 03:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, Lincoln. Nevermind.

#78 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-14 03:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

ChannelAbe, the book you should read is called "The Pyramid of the Races", written in the 1850's by a German freemason.

He called himself "the Geometer of the Races", and coined the term "Caucasian" to refer to all white people.

He claimed that the most beautiful people on Earth came from the Caucasus mountain region, and so that's where the Garden of Eden must be.

Also, it had white clay soil, and God made white people from white clay.

He went on to name the other sides of the racial pyramid: Asians, fashioned from the yellow mud of the Yangtze; Africans, from their dark soil; and Polynesians, from brown earth.

Today, this is why non-whites are called "mud-people" by racist groups such as the Aryan nations.

The more you know :)

#79 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-14 03:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

Come to think of it, as I recall the mud races formed the sides of the pyramid, and Caucasians where the pinnacle.

You can trace all modern racism to this book. Before then, your race was your country.

#80 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-14 03:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Remember when cops wore blue uniforms?

i.huffpost.com

#62 | Posted by nullifidian

That was the picture I saw today that made me realize this has transcending racism.

Sure, it's a black guy they're pointing their weapons at, but here you have a group of at least 10 law enforcement "officers" dressed in full out 'I'm gonna f you up and make up excuses later' military surplus gear approaching an individual with weapons up and fingers on triggers.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-14 05:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mall Cop Ignores White Guy Screaming Racial Slurs; Maces Black Bystander Instead

AUGUST 13, 2014 10:26 PM

The scene of an anti-Israel protest at a Seattle shopping center went from fighting for justice overseas to fighting for justice right there at the mall. According to witnesses private mall cop maced the victim of hate speech and let the racist go on his way without question.

In a series of photos taken by freelance photographer Alex Garland, a shirtless man can be seen screaming at anti-Israel protesters, running around the crowd, and charging people in an aggressive manner. Witnesses also say the man was yelling obscenities and racial slurs, as well. In at least one instance he called someone a "---------."

Things came to a head when a 25-year-old African American man named Raymond Wilford attempted to pass through the demonstration to meet some friends in the mall. He was almost through when the shirtless agitator allegedly yelled something racist at him.

Wilford told The Stranger:

"I was trying to avoid him because I heard him say a bunch of racial stuff," says Wilford, interviewed by phone from his home in South Seattle.

Unfortunately, he wasn't able to avoid him and one way or another, the two got into a heated dispute. At one point Wilford almost punches the man, but instead drops his fists. Soon after the altercation begins a mall cop arrives to break them up. From the pictures taken by Garland (you can find the whole series here), it's clear who the cop has a problem with. He confronts Wilford and pulls out his can of mace. Not once does he talk to the shirtless man who had been causing so much trouble throughout the day. Instead, he fires the can into Wilford's face pointblank.

According to Wilford:

"I think he's real bad at analyzing the situation," Wilford says. "He said he got a call for a white guy for his shirt off. He should have paid attention to that person. I don't want to say it's a race thing or anything. But his attention was straight on me. He never looked at him. After he sprayed me, he lied to me and said he sprayed both of us."

The shirtless guy simply walks away.

At this point the crowd begins loudly shouting at the mall cop for clearly macing the wrong guy. A video was taken shortly after the macing incident which reveals how poorly the officer (and later the actual cops) handle the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=mfWjgAK-VsQ

To add one more layer of frustration to an already frustrating story, the shirtless guy – the person who started the whole thing – fled the scene and police have been unable to identify him. It's not hard to see how he got away, the mall cop was so focused on Wilford that he never bothered to detain the instigator.

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 06:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Here's the link to the series of still photos showing the conflict and the cop firing the mace into Wilford's face while the shirtless white guy slinks away from the scene: thedignityvirus.com

#83 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 06:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

#82 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 06:47 AM | Reply

Now that's symbolic of a reverse "politically correct" thread.

#84 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-14 06:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who do you think respects black people more, you or black people?
Or do you both have zero respect?

#70 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2014-08-14 12:54 AM | REPLY | FLAG

You have no idea who am I or what I respect. You also have no idea who I directly support financially. You would probably be surprised. But who I support does not change the facts. When a smell continues to worsen, it is easy to determine the source.

One might go even further and posit the only real problem you have is your perception that some portion of your tax bill goes to welfare programs.

Oh I pay a nice sum into the 'welfare' programs. I have no problem helping others.

The hustlers I'm speaking of are the 'black community leaders' like "Rev" Al, "Rev" Jackson, et al. I was at a major corporation back in the early 2000's when Jesse pull a shake down. I've also watched them "lead" their communities to where we are today, all while significantly enriching themselves.

I care about all people, I'm just sick of the same crap by the same culture which is then celebrated as something to be proud of. No fathers, abortions, crime, not taking advantage of free education. Then blame everyone else while smoking a dubee and listening to a song about 'bitch's and 'ho's.

Clean up the crap, then tell us about police on black issues.

#85 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 08:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"No fathers, abortions, crime, not taking advantage of free education. Then blame everyone else while smoking a dubee and listening to a song about 'bitch's and 'ho's."

this place is chock full of idiots who think we should pander to blacks and ignore the problems of their own choices you just highlighted.

well, we've been doing that for a couple of generations.

Look where it's got us.

gee...let's keep doing the same thing. maybe something different will happen.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-14 08:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

#74 | POSTED BY CHANNELABE AT 2014-08-14 02:33 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Uber horse ----.

#87 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 08:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

"#74 | POSTED BY CHANNELABE AT 2014-08-14 02:33 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Uber horse ----.

#87 | Posted by RobThomas"

Thank you, Mr. Thomas, for providing the fruit of your well-considered opinion. There is indeed a factor that, for the sake of brevity, I chose to omit, in regard of food supply population responses of blacks; that is, the difficulty in managing the excreta of unmitigated population expansion. Much has been noted recently pertaining this subject, to which I will now refer:

www.google.com

#88 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 10:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

Who's the new gasbag?

#89 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-14 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

#89: Which one? There are so many to choose from.

#90 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-14 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

#91: Or, he could've just been a racist.

#92 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-14 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

#88 | POSTED BY CHANNELABE AT 2014-08-14 10:00 AM | REPLY | FLAG

"The physical difference between the white and black races manifest in this case in regard of the utilization of excess capacity during times of plenty. The white convert excess food into stored wealth; the black into augmented reproduction. Upon recoil of the natural sinusoidal pattern of feast and famine, the white releases stored wealth; the black response is to reduce the population directly via the agent of scarcity."

^ This is complete horse ----. With some bull mixed in.

We do not have a black/white issue. We have an issue with the culture that is currently embraced by and has consumed a segment of society of all colors.

No fathers, no discipline, no self control, no self respect, no respect for others. Plenty of weed and booze. No jobs, no money.

#93 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

" The physical difference between the white and black races manifest in this case in regard of the utilization of excess capacity during times of plenty. The white convert excess food into stored wealth; the black into augmented reproduction. Upon recoil of the natural sinusoidal pattern of feast and famine, the white releases stored wealth; the black response is to reduce the population directly via the agent of scarcity.

Where did you get that? It's a classic.

I can't find it on google.

#77 | Posted by HeliumRat"

Thank you, Mr. Rat, for the compliment. As to your further research in respect to the population cycles of the blacks, I suggest you use your google pertaining to these search-lines:

www.google.com

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations has an informative entry on this subject:

www.fao.org

You may also find related materials by using google also thusly:

www.google.com

: to discover correlative data to connect the population growth to the food supply.

As you begin to understand these relationships, you may perceive some of the further travails encountered by a population in the process of an unsustainable advance, namely sanitation:

www.google.com

It would seem that, to mitigate the inferno of overpopulation by applying food is equitable to striving to extinguish a wildfire by adding fuel.

#94 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"We do not have a black/white issue. We have an issue with the culture that is currently embraced by and has consumed a segment of society of all colors.

No fathers, no discipline, no self control, no self respect, no respect for others. Plenty of weed and booze. No jobs, no money.

#93 | Posted by RobThomas"

Well put indeed, Mr. Thomas. You wisely observe the spread of the dysfunctional culture into previously less affected segments of our society, and assign culpability to dissipation of families and energies. But I would suggest that you not allow an increasing societal overlap to conceal the root of the cultural issue beneath an overgrowth of superficial similarities.

#95 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

... why does any discussion of the subject always get hijacked into an indictment upon the entire black race?

Some people can't let go of their broad negative generalizations about all black people. So whenever a black person is portrayed in a negative light, they view it as a confirmation of their bias. They often don't even see they are doing this.

If Michael Brown had been white, you'd never see the same people viewing the incident as an indictment of all whites. Whites get to be individuals, judged by their actions.

A lot of the negative perceptions heaped on blacks are really about class, not race. There's lots of violence, gangs and crime in poor non-black communities too. People need to get over skin color and look at what poverty, drugs and fatherlessness is doing to all races in this country.

#96 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-14 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Thanks RCade. As far as I can see, you're the only one who even bothered to answer my question.

#97 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-14 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Well put indeed, Mr. Thomas. You wisely observe the spread of the dysfunctional culture into previously less affected segments of our society, and assign culpability to dissipation of families and energies. But I would suggest that you not allow an increasing societal overlap to conceal the root of the cultural issue beneath an overgrowth of superficial similarities.

#95 | POSTED BY CHANNELABE AT 2014-08-14 11:18 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

^lol. So you claim it's a 'racial' thing and not so much culture embraced by segments of society. But yet millions of blacks have embraced the mainstream culture of America and have done very well financially and socially.

#98 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

#96 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2014-08-14 11:45 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Well said.

IMHO, This circles back to the issue of why is it acceptable for Blacks to use the phrases '-----', 'ho', 'bitch' towards other blacks. A culture that promotes demonstrates a lack of respect for themselves and for others. If you want people to respect you, you have to respect yourself and others. You have to have and accept an understanding or acknowledgment of the value that you have as an individual. Continuing MHO, it is devastating for most kids who grow up with the knowledge that their father/mother is living but is not part of their lives. Their understanding of their 'value' as unique individuals with very imprint of their creator in them is not taught to them so it is not recognized by them. In turn, they look to others to provide this value. Many find value in gangs and other "easy to make money" options that offer instant gratification but lead to 'encounters' with authority. Which are lost.

#99 | Posted by RobThomas at 2014-08-14 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"^lol. So you claim it's a 'racial' thing and not so much culture embraced by segments of society. But yet millions of blacks have embraced the mainstream culture of America and have done very well financially and socially.

#98 | Posted by RobThomas"

Mr. Thomas, I must point out, I mentioned culture twice, race not at all, in the referred epistle. The "millions of blacks" you refer here correspond to a cultural overlap; the millions that would mass and destroy likewise represent primary cultural differences which will eventually resolve. Either the nation as a whole will learn to drive and walk at the same time, or we won't. We will learn to control our reproduction, or we won't. One direction leads to harmonious cooperation for our common benefit, the other leads into misery as empirically observed in the black societies in Africa. Please take note of your own language, in your referenced "millions of blacks" that "have embraced the mainstream culture of America"; do you not mean, in a sense, that they are functioning now as members of a white culture? There is, I believe, nothing wrong with that.

#100 | Posted by channelabe at 2014-08-14 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe white people would respect black people if they respected themselves a little more. Black men don't seem to respect each other very much- they kill each other at a rate 20 times that of whites. They don't seem to respect their women, 90% are left to raise their children alone. They don't seem to respect much at all, and they expect to be given respect?

#101 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-14 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

[...] it would be impossible for anyone to value a black persons life less than a black male. The level of black on black violence is staggering.

#102 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-14 03:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why is it we don't see these riots and looting in poor neighborhoods where other races live? If its a economic issue then we'd see poor whites rioting too. There are more poor whites than poor blacks, so where are the white riots?

It's not a difficult question, so I'd expect the apologists to line up and knock it out of the park..

#103 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-14 03:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

gee chair you don't see the cops shooting everyone either. Which came first, the cop shooting or the looting?

#104 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-14 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Why is it we don't see these riots and looting in poor neighborhoods where other races live? If its a economic issue then we'd see poor whites rioting too. There are more poor whites than poor blacks, so where are the white riots?
It's not a difficult question, so I'd expect the apologists to line up and knock it out of the park..

#103 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-14 03:53 PM | FLAG:

Where are the white riots? On college campuses.

It seems that poor(er) white kids over losing sports games. Others riot over social justice, economic and foreign policy issues. Poor black and brown people tend to riot over police brutality and summary executions.

2010s[edit]
2010 - University of Tennessee Lane Kiffin Riot. Students riot on the Knoxville campus following head football coach Lane Kiffin's announcement that he took the head coaching job at the University of Southern California.
2010 - University of Maryland basketball disturbance 2010, College Park, Maryland, March 3 following a game; 28 arrested.
2010 - Springfest Riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured; 30-35 arrested., Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – L.A. Lakers riot, June 17, Fans riot in Downtown Los Angeles after Lakers win championship, 50 arrested. Los Angeles, California
2010 – BART Verdict riot, July 8, Riot breaks out in response to verdict in the killing of Oscar Grant, BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. About 100 businesses were damaged and 78 people were arrested, Oakland, California
2010 - Eugene Melee, Sept 25, Riot breaks out west of the University of Oregon campus as police use tear gas to break up a rowdy party. 9 arrested. Eugene, Oregon
2010 - Oakland Protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009 see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant., Oakland, California
2011 - Pennsylvania State University Joe Paterno Riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 - Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge Protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. Brooklyn, New York
2011 - Occupy Wall Street Oakland Protests Riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 NATO 2012 Chicago Summit May. Conflict between riot police. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 Anaheim police shooting and protests Civil Unrest, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2012 - Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, October 12, Fans riot after a win at home against Upper St. Clair. Fans broke through a fence at the Bethel Park High School stadium.
2013 - Brooklyn Riots, March 9. Riots erupt for several nights after the controversial shooting of Kimani Gray. Over 46 demonstrators were arrested.
2013 - Seattle May Day Protest Riots, May 1st, 17 Arrested as Seattle May Day Protests Turn Violent.
2014 - Deltopia Party Turns Violent, University of California, Santa Barbara, April 5, Over 80 Arrested and over 8 police officers Injured.
2014 - Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Protests and looting after the death of unarmed teenager Michael Brown. Multiple arrests and subsequent police shootings.[1]

#105 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

2000s[edit]
2000 - Elián González affair, Miami, Florida
2000 - Puerto Rican Day Parade attacks, June 11, Central Park, New York City, New York
2001 - Seattle Mardi Gras Riots, February 27, Seattle, WA
2001 - University of Maryland, March 31, Students riot following team's loss to Duke in the 2001 NCAA tournament, College Park, Maryland
2001 - 2001 Cincinnati Riots, April 10–12, Cincinnati, Ohio
2002 - University of Maryland, April 1, Students riot following their team's victory in the 2002 NCAA tournament, College Park, Maryland
2002 - University of Minnesota Hockey Riots, April 6, Minneapolis, Minnesota
2002 - Ohio State University football riot, Nov., Students riot after game with University of Michigan, Columbus, Ohio
2003 - University of Minnesota Hockey Riots (second straight year), April 12, Minneapolis, Minnesota
2003 - Benton Harbor Riot, June 2003, Benton Harbor, Michigan
2003 - Miami FTAA Protests, November 2003, Miami, Florida
2004 - Detroit Pistons "Malice at the Palace", Nov. 19, The Palace of Auburn Hills, Michigan
2005 - Civil disturbances and military action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, August - Sept., New Orleans, Louisiana
2005 - 2005 Toledo Riot, October 15, Toledo, Ohio
2006 - San Bernardino punk riot, March 4, San Bernardino, California
2007 - The Los Angeles May Day mêlée, May 1, Los Angeles, California
2008 - Cedar Fest riot 2008, Michigan State University, April 5, 52 arrested, East Lansing, Michigan
2008 - Republican National Convention Protests, St. Paul, March, over a 1000 arrested, St. Paul, Minnesota
2009 - Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120 arrested, Oakland, California
2009 - College Fest riot, Kent State University, April 25, more than 50 arrested Kent, Ohio
2009 - Spring Jam/Dinkytown riot, University of Minnesota, April 25, Minneapolis, Minnesota
2009 - Palmer Fest melee, Ohio University, May 10, Athens, Ohio
2009 – L.A. Lakers riot, June 14, Fans riot in Downtown Los Angeles after Lakers win championship, Los Angeles, California
2009 - 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested

#106 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

1990 - Anti-Klan protest 1990, October 28, Washington, D.C.
1991 - 1991 Washington, DC riot, Mount Pleasant riot, May 5–9, Washington, D.C.
1991 - Crown Heights Riot, August 1991, Brooklyn, New York
1992 - L.A. riot/Rodney King riot, April–May 1992, Los Angeles, California
1992 - Sporadic urban violence in response to the L.A. Riots (San Diego, San Francisco, Oakland, Sacramento, San Bernardino Cal., Las Vegas Nev., Atlanta, Chicago, Denver, Detroit, Miami, New York City, Philadelphia, Phoenix, St. Louis, Washington DC, etc.) across African-American and Hispanic communities in the United States and in Toronto, Canada, May 1992.
1996 - St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, October 1996, St. Petersburg, Florida
1997 - The July 4th Immigration Demonstration Lockdown, July 1997, Los Angeles, California
1999 - WTO Meeting of 1999, "The Battle in Seattle", November 1999, Seattle, Washington
1999 - Michigan State University student riot, April 1999, (East Lansing, Michigan)
1999 - Woodstock '99 music festival riot, August 1999, (Rome, New York)

#107 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

1980s[edit]
1980 - New Mexico State Penitentiary Riot, Santa Fe, New Mexico
1980 - Chattanooga Riot of 1980, Chattanooga, Tennessee
1980 - Miami Riot 1980, May 17–19, Miami, Florida
1982 - Anti-Klan protest 1982, November 27, Washington, D.C.
1982 - Miami Riot 1982, Overtown Riot, December 1982, Miami, Florida
1984 - East Los Angeles Disturbances involved street gangs, repeatedly from April to August 1984, Los Angeles, California
1984 - Detroit Tigers World Series riot, October 14, Detroit, Michigan
1986 - Palm Springs Spring Break Riot, April 1986, Palm Springs, California
1987 - Tampa Riot 1987, February 1987, Tampa, Florida
1988 - Tompkins Square Park Police Riot, August 1988 (East Village, Manhattan, New York City)
1989 - Overtown Riot 1989, January 16–18 - an Hispanic Miami police officer shoots and kills a speeding black motorcyclist in the Overtown section of Miami, starting three days of rioting. Miami, Florida
1989 - Tampa Riots, February 1989, Tampa, Florida
1989 - Virginia Beach Riot, July 1989, Virginia Beach, Virginia
1989 - Bensonhurst Riot, September 1989, Brooklyn, New York

#108 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't happen to see race listed in any of Leadbelly's spam.

Perhaps he is implying Black people don't go to college.

#109 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

1970s[edit]
1970 - University of Puerto Rico riot - Río Piedras campus, March 4–11, at least one killed, Río Piedras, Puerto Rico
1970 - Student Strike of 1970, May 1970, USA
1970 - Lawrence disorders, University of Kansas, April, Lawrence, Kansas
1970 - University of Maryland riots, University of Maryland, May 1970, College Park, Maryland
1970 - Kent State riots/shootings, May 1970, four killed, Kent, Ohio
1970 - New Haven Green disorders, Yale University, May 1970, New Haven, Connecticut
1970 - Hard Hat Riot, Wall Street, May 8, New York City, New York
1970 - Jackson State killings, May 14–15, two killed, Jackson, Mississippi
1970 - Augusta riot, May 1970, Augusta, Georgia
1970 - Alexandria disorders, May 29 – June 3, Alexandria, Virginia
1970 - Russells Point disorder, July 5, Russells Point, Ohio
1970 - Yosemite disturbance, July 5, Yosemite National Park, Calif.
1970 - Pasco disturbance,July 8, Pasco, Washington
1970 - Asbury Park riot, July 9, Asbury Park, New Jersey
1970 - Michigan City riot, July 10, Michigan City, Indiana
1970 - Highland Park disorder, July 11, Highland Park, Michigan
1970 - Hartford riot, July 28, Hartford, Connecticut
1970 - New Bedford riots, July, New Bedford, Mass.
1970 - Sterling Hall bombing, Univ. of Wisc., August 24, one killed, Madison, Wisconsin
1970 - Chicano Moratorium riot, August 29, Los Angeles, California
1970 - 14th Street riot, September 21, Washington, D.C.
1970 - Georgetown melee, October 4, 330 arrested, Washington, D.C.
1970 - Henderson disorder, November 7, 350 Guardsmen sent in, Henderson, North Carolina
1971 - Tampa disorder, January 13, Tampa, Florida
1971 - Wilmington riot 1971, February 9, 2 killed, Wilmington, North Carolina
1971 - May Day Protests 1971, May 3, Washington, D.C.
1971 - Albuquerque riot 1971, June 14, Albuquerque, New Mexico
1971 - Student Rebellion UMCP, II, University of Maryland, May 1971, College Park, Maryland
1971 - Camden riots, August 1971, Camden, New Jersey
1971 - Black Muslim rally and riot, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
1971 - Fiesta de Santa Fe disorder, September 6, Santa Fe, New Mexico
1971 - Attica Prison uprising, September 9–13, at least 39 killed, (Attica, New York)
1972 - Student Rebellion UMCP, III, University of Maryland, May 1972, College Park, Maryland
1972 - Southern University disorders/shootings, November 16, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
1973 - Wounded Knee incident, February 27 – May 8, Wounded Knee, South Dakota
1974 - SLA Shootout, L.A., May 17, Los Angeles, California
1974 - Ten Cent Beer Night, June 4, Cleveland Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, Ohio
1974 - Baltimore police strike, July, Baltimore, Maryland
1974 - Boston busing race riots anti-busing riots throughout Boston, Massachusetts
1975 - Pine Ridge shootout, June 26, Pine Ridge, South Dakota
1975 - Livernois-Fenkell riot, July 1975, Detroit, Michigan
1976 - Escambia High School riots, February 5, Pensacola, Florida
1976 - Anti-busing riot in downtown Boston, April 5, 1976 Boston, Massachusetts
1976 - "Rock & Roll Riot", after a concert at Cobo Hall, Detroit, Michigan
1977 - Chicago riot 1977, Humboldt Park riot, June 4–5, Chicago, Illinois
1977 - New York City blackout of 1977 disturbance, July 13–14, New York City, New York
1979 - White Night Riots, May 1979, San Francisco, California
1979 - Disco Demolition Night, July 12, Comiskey Park, Chicago, Illinois
1979 - Greensboro massacre, November 3, Greensboro, North Carolina

#110 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

LEADBELLY!!!!!!

It's so great to hear from you! Do you still have my email address? If you do, it's still the same. Please drop me a note and let's catch up.

You're a sight for sore eyes.

#111 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 09:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't happen to see race listed in any of Leadbelly's spam.
Perhaps he is implying Black people don't go to college.

#109 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-15 09:33 AM | FLAG:

Unfortunately, yes, black people do not go to college in sufficient numbers. That is absolutely true and as a black person, a depressing and frustrating reality, that I work in my personal and professional life to help address.

But no, my point wasn't specifically about college riots being "white" as opposed to black. I was more intending to make a point about the fact that riot behavior is universal amongst those who do not feel they have anything to lose. Young people. poor people, immigrants, oppressed religious, sexuality, and other identity groups have all exhibited riot behaviors. The common thread really isn't race.

It's youth. Young people have less of a vested interest in observing social order. Young people do stupid ---- when they feel wronged. Poor young people more than most.

Police, unfortunately have been trained in crowd control tactics that exacerbate the feelings that lead to riot behavior, in all sorts of communities.

#112 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK, glad I asked. I agree with your point: rioting is usually an act of youth and discontent over race.

#113 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Things seemed to go much better last night, with Highway Patrol, under teh Gov orders, taking authority away from the Ferguson PD who have failed miserably by any definition of "keeping the peace."

Clashes between heavily armed police officers and furious protesters in Ferguson have defined the aftermath of an officer's fatal shooting of an unarmed teenager, Michael Brown, on Saturday, and the latest moves came as federal and state officials scrambled to quell the growing crisis. Alarm had been rising across the country at images of a mostly white police force, in a predominantly African-American community, aiming military-style weapons at protesters and firing tear gas and rubber bullets.

Gov. Jay Nixon, right, prayed on Thursday with St. Louis clergy members in Florissant, Mo., For Missouri Governor, Test at an Uneasy TimeAUG. 14, 2014
Clockwise from top left, the police detained a protester in Ferguson, Mo.; a police dog attacked a civil rights demonstrator in Birmingham, Ala., in May 1963; heavily armed members of the Alabama Highway Patrol in Birmingham in 1963; police officers stood guard outside a vandalized gas station and convenience store in Ferguson.Ferguson Images Evoke Civil Rights Era and Changing Visual PerceptionsAUG. 14, 2014
Buttons urge "Justice for Michael Brown." In Operation Ferguson, online activists hope to reveal information about his death.Anonymous Hackers' Efforts to Identify Ferguson Police Officer Create TurmoilAUG. 14, 2014
A police sharpshooter was part of the law enforcement contingent forming a blockade against demonstrators on Tuesday.In Wake of Clashes, Calls to Demilitarize PoliceAUG. 14, 2014
Influential Republicans including Senator Rand Paul expressed concern about the crackdown by the police in Ferguson, Mo.Missouri Unrest Leaves the Right Torn Over Views on Law vs. OrderAUG. 14, 2014
Capt. Ronald S. Johnson, the highway patrol official appointed by the governor to take over the response, immediately signaled a change in approach. Captain Johnson told reporters he had ordered troopers to remove their tear-gas masks, and in the early evening he accompanied several groups of protesters through the streets, clasping hands, listening to stories and marching alongside them.

On Thursday night, the armored vehicles and police cars were gone, and the atmosphere was celebratory. A street barricaded on previous nights was filled with slow-moving cars blasting their horns. A man played a drum across the street from a convenience store that was looted this week. And there were few signs of police officers, let alone a forceful response.

Kimaly Diouf, co-owner of Rehoboth Pharmacy, said the reason for the difference was simple: "Because they're not tear gassing us tonight."

Captain Johnson, who is African-American and grew up in the area, said: "We're just starting today anew. We're starting a new partnership today. We're going to move forward today, to put yesterday and the day before behind us."
www.nytimes.com

#114 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

LEADBELLY!!!!!!
It's so great to hear from you! Do you still have my email address? If you do, it's still the same. Please drop me a note and let's catch up.
You're a sight for sore eyes.

#111 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2014-08-15 09:41 AM | FLAG:

Hey Tony, Long time.

I see you're still fighting the good fight. I have moved on in a lot of ways over the past few years. There's a misses leadbelly now and a little leadbeally and a hound dog to look after. Much less time for ------- around with these retards.

#115 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Go figure, when law enforcement disrespects the rights of people and treats them like prisoners within their own community, drawing down on people with their hands raised in surrender a few of them will respond violently to this overwhelming show of force particularly when teargas, rubber bullets, illegal orders and unnecessary arrests are thrown into the mix.

Treat people with respect and help them express their understandable and very real frustrations while protecting the property within the community and you have nothing but peace and calm.

Whoda thunk it?

#116 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 09:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#115

That's wonderful, I'm happy for you. My oldest starts college on Sunday, so I hear you. I always wondered if I'd find you at a cabana beach bar down Mexico way, but there's still plenty of time.

I was just in San Francisco at the end of May. Are you still in the Bay area? You know I respect your privacy, but I'd love to converse off this site, if only for a moment.

Take care my friend.

#117 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 10:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

More positive is that when law enforement RESPECTS the rights of people to protest and engages the community as their own, law and a healthy amount of civil disorder can coexists.

The Ferguson PD seems to me to have been intolerably poorly run, backward thinking and hostile to the community they are supposed to serve. And it seems as though Ferguson was not a crime blighted area until inept police created a combat zone there.

www.trulia.com

#119 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of all the bile that gets spewed on this site, if RC thinks an F bomb or two is what needs to be censored then he has completely lost the thread.

#120 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 10:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

And it seems as though Ferguson was not a crime blighted area until inept police created a combat zone there.

Many of the problems in Ferguson have the exact same origin as other areas across this nation as segregated housing laws have denied families access to better schools and neighborhoods and increased the feelings of helplessness for those trying to escape downtrodden areas:

The Racist Housing Policies That Helped Fuel The Anger In Ferguson

#122 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no surrender; just a low flying warning shot. Hope you're short =D

#124 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 10:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

BREAKING NEWS!

Police have released information that Michael Brown stole cigars from the QT prior to his shooting!

Developing on CNN.

#125 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Many of the problems in Ferguson have the exact same origin as other areas across this nation as segregated housing laws have denied families access to better schools and neighborhoods and increased the feelings of helplessness for those trying to escape downtrodden areas:

Which is precisely why inner-city minorities love vouchers and school choice, but for some reason the Democratic Party is generally opposed to these programs.

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-15 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which is precisely why inner-city minorities love vouchers and school choice, but for some reason the Democratic Party is generally opposed to these programs.

It makes no sense to take only some students from a failing school and giving that money to a school doing well when there are students still attending that failing school which now gets even less money. What makes sense is to improve the failing schools.

#127 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

I see you're still fighting the good fight. I have moved on in a lot of ways over the past few years. There's a misses leadbelly now and a little leadbeally and a hound dog to look after. Much less time for ------- around with these retards.

#115 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY

That's great to hear. Congratulations!

[...]

It's nice to see your ugly craw again.

Best regards to you and yours.

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-15 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

There is no surrender; just a low flying warning shot. Hope you're short =D

#124 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2014-08-15 10:36 AM | FLAG:

Unfortunately I am tall, but I am armed.

#129 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

It makes no sense to take only some students from a failing school and giving that money to a school doing well when there are students still attending that failing school which now gets even less money. What makes sense is to improve the failing schools.

#127 | POSTED BY KANREI

I agree in principle, but in reality the failing schools never seem to improve and then poorly run schools are rewarded by forcing children to attend when better options are available.

There are no perfect solutions but even enabling some students a better educational opportunity is better than forcing everybody to be equally miserable.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-15 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Which is precisely why inner-city minorities love vouchers and school choice, but for some reason the Democratic Party is generally opposed to these programs.

Redlining is about WEALTH, it isn't about the factor of poor, ill-equipped schools. Education is fine Jeff, but denial to housing that is desirable, appreciates and offers better public schools with more resources is the largest impediment to the lack of wealth and mobility for millions of black Americans. In purposely segregated black communities, housing doesn't appreciate it sometimes depreciates which in-turn undermines the tax structure as well.

None of this happened by chance, it happened through the political power of whites being used to intentionally limit the opportunities of blacks, almost always against the law, but unchallenged because those who enforce the laws were writing the rules.

#131 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

but even enabling some students a better educational opportunity is better than forcing everybody to be equally miserable.

How do you choose who gets to stay behind in a school you know is failing?

How do you justify giving the money the failing school needs to a school doing perfectly well without it?

#132 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag:


Which is precisely why inner-city minorities love vouchers and school choice, but for some reason the Democratic Party is generally opposed to these programs.

#126 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2014-08-15 10:45 AM | FLAG:

Vouchers Undermine Public Schools

Implementation of voucher programs sends a clear message that we are giving up on public education. Undoubtedly, vouchers would help some students. But the glory of the American system of public education is that it is for all children, regardless of their religion, their academic talents or their ability to pay a fee. This policy of inclusiveness has made public schools the backbone of American democracy.

Private schools are allowed to discriminate on a variety of grounds. These institutions regularly reject applicants because of low achievement, discipline problems, and sometimes for no reason at all. Further, some private schools promote agendas antithetical to the American ideal. Under a system of vouchers, it may be difficult to prevent schools run by extremist groups like the Nation of Islam or the Ku Klux Klan from receiving public funds to subsidize their racist and anti-Semitic agendas. Indeed, the proud legacy of Brown v. Board of Education may be tossed away as tax dollars are siphoned off to deliberately segregated schools.

Proponents of vouchers argue that these programs would allow poor students to attend good schools previously only available to the middle class. The facts tell a different story. A $2,500 voucher supplement may make the difference for some families, giving them just enough to cover the tuition at a private school (with some schools charging over $10,000 per year, they would still have to pay several thousand dollars). But voucher programs offer nothing of value to families who cannot come up with the rest of the money to cover tuition costs.

archive.adl.org

#133 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

School vouchers are akin to giving the passengers on the titanic rights to a piece of the hull to cling to if the ship sinks ... instead of figuring out a way to NOT run a boat full of people into a mountain of ice.

#134 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Oh, and Michael Brown is a retard for stealing a box of crappy cigars. But retard &/or criminal or not, if he was in the process of surrendering and unarmed he should not have been executed on the curb.

#135 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

^ ... was a retard

#136 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

^ ... was a retard

#137 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe white people would respect black people if they respected themselves a little more. Black men don't seem to respect each other very much- they kill each other at a rate 20 times that of whites. They don't seem to respect their women, 90% are left to raise their children alone. They don't seem to respect much at all, and they expect to be given respect?

#101 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2014-08-14 03:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Do you respect individuals within the group "black people" who do not fit the profile you have described? If so, maybe "black people" isn't really the defining attribute of the group in question.

#138 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

if he was in the process of surrendering and unarmed he should not have been executed on the curb.

#135 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY

Too bad the process of surrendering involved struggling for a police officer's gun. It clouds things a bit, no?

#139 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-15 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad the process of surrendering involved struggling for a police officer's gun. It clouds things a bit, no?

Regardless of what happened at the vehicle, he wasn't "struggling for a police officer's gun" when his body fell 35 FEET from the police vehicle where the officer shot him dead!

The dead body on the ground that I saw didn't have arms that long. reason.com

#140 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

He was 35 feet away? I always wondered what became of Dhalsim from Street Fighter.

#141 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-15 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am incensed," Laura Keys, 50, told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "I can't believe this is the tactic they are using, bringing up a robbery to make the victim look like he was the person who created this whole mess."

Bwahahahahahaha

#142 | Posted by tontonmacoute at 2014-08-15 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

if he was in the process of surrendering and unarmed he should not have been executed on the curb.
#135 | POSTED BY LEADBELLY
Too bad the process of surrendering involved struggling for a police officer's gun. It clouds things a bit, no?

#139 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH AT 2014-08-15 12:17 PM | FLAG:

Cloudy? sure. If true, yes, that would cloud things. I know a police officer MUST protect their weapon and I acknowledge that it would be difficult to asses when/if the threat of a suspect seizing that weapon can ever really subside once that particular chain of events starts to unfold.

But I don't know that it really happened that way. The only report that Brown tried to take the officer's gun comes (for now) from the inept chief of police who has turned a suburb into a war zone. I do not trust this police chief based on his actions and leadership in response to the protests, press and this community. I can not asses this situation in the context of that particular threat based on the inept chief's say so.

We do have witnesses and the witness reports we have are consistent that when Brown was executed, he was surrendering and had likely already been shot once. It is hard for me to envision a credible threat necessitating executing a surrendering prisoner under the circumstance the witnesses have described, cloudy or not.

#143 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

"Why is it alright for police to kill unarmed black men and why does any discussion of the subject always get hijacked into an indictment upon the entire black race?"

That same question can be asked about law enforcement?

Why does any discussion of this subject get hijacked into an indictment of all law enforcement?

Could it be where there's smoke, there's fire?

#144 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-15 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bill...

Did you read the accompanying paragraph above?

Mine is not an indictment of all police officers. There are many men and women who put their lives on the line for the public good each day. Some I have been blessed to call mentor or friend. Many officers themselves have lost their lives. I honor their memories and ultimate sacrifice even as I offer gratitude for those who continue to work with great integrity to keep us safe.

It was placed on the table at the beginning. Any further discussion should have been about only those officers who are not policing in the communities for the protection and security of it's inhabitants, including upholding their civil rights. No citizen should be presumed a threat for merely being where they are if they are acting peaceably and nonthreatening.

#145 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

question, would the riots occur if it had been a black officer?

another question, why doesnt the black community protest when a black person is killed by a black person?

are black lives expendable? well it seems to be that way in black on black crime.

#146 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2014-08-15 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony,

Perhaps you aren't saying all cops are bad, however we have all seen time and time again how people talk like law enforcement is all crooked and the jails are full of innocent people.

How many hundreds or thousands of times a day do cops see unarmed black men and leave them alone? And then when something does happen, we get excited acting like this is a problem everywhere all the time.

Qualifying your opinion doesn't take away the fact this article is implying the problem is worse than it really is.

#147 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-15 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#146

The article touches on the ENTIRE topic, it isn't just an indictment upon just non-blacks. Crime is crime. White people kill white people every single day too. Criminality might be more prevalent within the black community but that too is influenced by factors OUTSIDE the community such as the prevalence of anti-drug interdiction overwhelmingly in urban environments when every statistical measures points that there is more illegal drug use among whites than blacks. But our prisons are full of black drug criminals far beyond their proportion across society. Why?

The problems in Ferguson don't rest solely with the color of the officer who shot Mike Brown. It is the culture of the force and it's estrangement from the community that fuels the rage within the community by those who's taxes pay for the police that are supposed to protect them and support their civil rights, not subjugate and harass without direct provocation. There were black cops on the riot lines Wednesday and I don't think the crowd viewed them any differently than any of the other paramilitary police flanking the streets and neighborhoods of Ferguson.

I guess the question should be why in the wide, wide world of sports do non-black people think that black on black violence is tolerated within the black community when the victims themselves are black? Far too often the police aren't there to protect these victims nor are there enough resources to investigate all the crimes. Blacks are just as frustrated about these facts as any rational person would be.

#148 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Qualifying your opinion doesn't take away the fact this article is implying the problem is worse than it really is.

Wow. Simply Wow.

The problem is worse than anyone is saying and this truth remains largely invisible to most of non-black America until something like this brings it out from the darkness where it festers and metastasizes every single day all across our nation.

Maybe the problem is all of us view it as a "black problem" instead of saying "We have an American problem because a large portion of our society isn't receiving equal protection under the law and aren't treated civilly during casual encounters that aren't criminal investigations.

"Taxation without representation" brought about a revolutionary war that changed history's arc. Perhaps the same cry will lead to answers to the problems throughout our society where some citizens remain more secure and respected than others, especially when we're all supposed to be equally protected under our laws and institutions.

#149 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ferguson Police Beat An Innocent Man And Then Charged Him For Bleeding On Their Uniforms

I report, you decide.

#150 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

How many hundreds or thousands of times a day do cops see unarmed black men and leave them alone?

Well that's mighty white of you!

#151 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why does nobody care when black men are killed by other black men? Why does it only "matter" when cops or white people do it?

#152 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-15 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why does nobody care when black men are killed by other black men?

It has been said repeatedly that it does matter. It matters to the families, it matters to the victims, and it matters to the communities that deal with the aftermath of burying friends and family or watching them become cogs in the criminal justice system. It doesn't matter in the broader white community until it is pulled in because of particular circumstances.

It matters to everyone who's simply seeking 'justice for all' whenever the police abuse or misuse their authority. The man executed in Texas for allegedly killing his children by setting fire to their home is only one of such abuses I've spoken vehemently about whenever the topic is raised.

As I said elsewhere, police abuse is not a black problem it is an American problem. Marginalized people of many races deal with these same issues everyday whenever their local law enforcement views them as likely suspects without an provocation except for what others of their community have done or will do in the future.

#153 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lead,

"Well that's mighty white of you!"

Perhaps the black community in America might be better served if more people were less opposed to "acting white".

#154 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-15 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

When someone says "lookup at the hundred of thousands of times cops leave unarmed black men alone" as though that is deserving of gratitude or a cookie, it's a ridiculous statement. "Mighty white of you" is a saying used specifically to mock such foolish statements.

It doesn't mean "acting white" it is a sarcastic way of saying "you aren't doing me any favors"

#155 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Frankly, if I wanted black people to emulate another race in America, I'd want us to act more Asian. Asians are out-achieving everybody.

#156 | Posted by leadbelly at 2014-08-15 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Asians are out-achieving everybody.

Take that tighties. (fist bump), (respectful bow)

#157 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-15 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why not emulate the Jews and Irish? They came with nothing and are the two most successful ethnic groups in America. Jews value education. Force their kids to learn a language no one but biblical scholars and they use. They expect very high achievement from their kids. The Irish value loyalty, especially within their family. Both groups work hard. Both groups have mothers that are notorious for using guilt to modify the behavior of their children. Both are nuts about their religion, especially in the first few generations. Both know the difference between being rich and having wealth.
I guess the brothers are too busy "keepin it real", real ignorant, real dumb. Doing the same crap year after year, expecting a different result. My dark brothers need a Moses, what they got is Rev. Al Notso Sharpton.

#158 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-16 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#158 | Posted by docnjo
"Force their kids to learn a language no one but biblical scholars and they use."

Which is likely why Jews tend to have a much better understanding of the Old Testament than Christians.

#159 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-16 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why not emulate the Jews and Irish?

We didn't come here in chains and, to be quite frank, the reasons for our coming here do effect how we relate in America.

Do you know why Jews push education? Because what you know is the one thing they can't take away from you. Jews were forbidden from owning property in many countries they came from, so they: A) placed a higher cultural value on what they knew and B) became obsessed with proving they finally made it as a result.

#160 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-16 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

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