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Jobs growth in the U.S. since the 2008 recession has been undermined by lower wages, with workers earning an average 23 percent less than earnings from jobs which were lost, according to a new report by the United States Conference of Mayors. Over the last year, wages have grown just 2 percent, in keeping with where they have been stuck since late 2009.

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I think that Obama is the best worst president EVER! http://www.drudge.com/news/180311/morford-best-worst-president-ever

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That's OK because they're mostly going to illegal immigrants.

#1 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-08-12 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

When unions are busted and jobs are outsourced why would you expect anything else? To blame that on Obama is ridiculous.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-12 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Whom should we blame? The other party doesn't consider busted unions and outsourcing to be a problem. Obama says he does, but he's is just too incompetent to do anything about it. He's also not stopping the flow of low skilled workers that keep entry level wages low.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-08-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Whom should we blame? The other party doesn't consider busted unions and outsourcing to be a problem. Obama says he does, but he's is just too incompetent to do anything about it. He's also not stopping the flow of low skilled workers that keep entry level wages low.

#3 | Posted by visitor_ at 2014-08-12 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

The establishment in both the Democrat and Republican party support policies that are to blame.
Tea Party people and libertarians are the only people with any sense at all.

#5 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

When unions are busted and jobs are outsourced why would you expect anything else? To blame that on Obama is ridiculous.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-12 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Danni,
Outsourcing may be a problem but so is insourcing.
www.washingtontimes.com

Visitor wasnn't too far off in post #1

#6 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apostle Palin, the screeching siren of the sad and miserable, says entry level jobs are temporary and not meant to live off of.

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-12 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The establishment in both the Democrat and Republican party support policies that are to blame.
"Tea Party people and libertarians are the only people with any sense at all."

Last time I checked ---- the -------- and the fake libertarians always vote with one of the above "establishment" 99.9 % of the time.

That's why after 25 years of direct "libertarian" involvement in government --- not a single thing "libertarian" has ever been accomplished, (because they always vote along with "establishment" republicans).

Good grief. Go buy a clue!

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-12 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apostle Palin, the screeching siren of the sad and miserable, says entry level jobs are temporary and not meant to live off of.

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-12 01:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

From the article:
The average annual salary in sectors where jobs were lost - particularly manufacturing and construction - during the 2008-9 financial crisis was $61,637, according to the report by the United States Conference of Mayors (USCM), which represents cities with populations of more than 30,000.

Job gains through the second quarter of 2014 in comparative sectors showed average wages of $47,171, implying $93 billion in lower wage income, the report said.

LOL
So according to you these people went from experienced positions to entry level positions. You should have read the article first.

#9 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8
Probably in a general election, which I do myself because California is a "top two" general election state. That said, you just don't know what you are talking about when you make blanket statements like that.

#10 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You should have read the article first."

Who cares what stupid MSM article you point at when whining.
My income has not dropped, but then again, I left seasonal "construction" jobs when I no longer had summer break, (aka I grew up and started making some plans).
And anyone in a manufacturing job deserves what they are getting since you would have to be blind and stupid not to notice American companies moving "manufacturing" to other lower wage countries for the last 3 decades.

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-12 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow!
What a libertarian!

#12 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you want to live in a world where this isn't news??

Have you been living under a rock?

Low wage jobs were largely responsible for the job growth numbers Texas was bragging up along with right wingers pointing to it as validation of their ideas.

This is news only to those not paying attention or who have a partisan axe to grind.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-12 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jobs created since the recession pay 23% less.

Obama and the Democrats want a higher minimum wage and incentives for companies to stay in the US. Gee, who's standing in the way?

"Let the free market decide" is Obama's fault? Isn't it exactly what big business and Republicans fight for? Haven't we been told that these low wages are great for the economy?

#14 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2014-08-12 03:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton Signed NAFTA etc.

#15 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2014-08-12 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama and the Democrats want a higher minimum wage and incentives for companies to stay in the US.

I wouldn't use the word 'incentives' because what the Dems are proposing has nothing to do with creating a more business-friendly environment here in the US to try and incentivize companies to stay here. The Dems want to punish companies for expanding overseas. That's not an 'incentive', it's a bludgeon.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-12 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that Obama is the best worst president EVER!

I think the 2008 crash occurred when Bush was president.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 04:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And anyone in a manufacturing job deserves what they are getting..."

wow, are you sure you aren't a republican running for office, cocosamvile?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-12 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

17
I know. And we've been going backwards ever since. Well except for the 1%.

#19 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

The middle class is Poorer now than they were after the 2008 crash arcade.

#20 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's not news in the world you live in?

#21 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 07:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I don't blame Obama for what he was handed. No doubt it was horrible.

But what about the defense for the stimulus package, obamacare, etc....all those things were supposed to impact all labor statistics, such as jobs created, in a positive manner or not?

"we've been offshoring jobs and Obama inherited a........" is an excuse anybody can make for him.

the bottom line is that we aren't successfully closing any gap between the poor and the wealthy. Not by any measure of it.

I'd rather not argue about a person, Obama. Rather, I prefer to discuss policy....

....policies we are unwilling to enact to change this.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-12 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Right it wasn't Obama's recession. But it is Obama's recovery and the recovery is worse than the recession

#23 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 08:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Tea Party people and libertarians are the only people with any sense at all.

#5 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2014-08-12 01:17 PM | FLAG:

You have a problem distinguishing what they tell you to get elected and then the 180 degree shift they do once in office.

#24 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-13 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

I prefer to discuss policy....
....policies we are unwilling to enact to change this.

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2014-08-12 07:42 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Policies no one once elected are willing to discuss.

Obama promised to review all trade agreements during the primaries. Well it has been six years and not once has that been done. To make things worse he is pushing TPP.

Again, politics as usual to benefit the 1%.

#25 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-13 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Clinton Signed NAFTA etc.

#15 | POSTED BY SHIRTSBYERIC AT 2014-08-12 03:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

And W signed CAFTA.

Your point?

#26 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-13 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is Libertarian Greenspan's publicly stated plan. He doesn't think its a good idea for so many people to have recreational vehicles in their driveway and set out to fix that. Like everyone else in the Federal reserve and treasury department, he works for criminal Bankers, this countries ultimate leaches. Food stamp recipients can't hold a candle to these sheisters.

#27 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-13 08:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama promised to review all trade agreements during the primaries. Well it has been six years and not once has that been done. To make things worse he is pushing TPP."

Too true. Who is he working for? Surely, not us.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-13 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Right it wasn't Obama's recession. But it is Obama's recovery and the recovery is worse than the recession"

That's just stupid. Not even close to true.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-13 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOWER end jobs pay less. Higher end jobs are paying more. The upper class has seen wages and networth increase substantially.

So its not an Obama thing.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-08-13 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Whom should we blame?"

The 1%

You are are probably making 23% less right now if you cant see this was the plan all along.

It will be known as the Great Middleclass Reset.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-13 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2014-08-12 01:17 PM | FLAG:

You have a problem distinguishing what they tell you to get elected and then the 180 degree shift they do once in office.

#24 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-13 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOL
If you are suggesting that I voted for Obama then you are sadly mistaken.
I live in California and pretty much the only federal representative that I voted for who was elected is my congressman. He's pretty good.

#32 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 10:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

Policies no one once elected are willing to discuss.

Obama promised to review all trade agreements during the primaries. Well it has been six years and not once has that been done. To make things worse he is pushing TPP.

Again, politics as usual to benefit the 1%.

#25 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-13 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Exactly!
And, we get the government that we deserve.
We can't expect our representatives to do anything different unless people vote differently. That means voting against the status quo ie. the establishment.

When liberals denigrate the tea party and libertarians they are wittingly or unwittingly volunteering to be astroturf for the 1%.

#33 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Right it wasn't Obama's recession. But it is Obama's recovery and the recovery is worse than the recession"

That's just stupid. Not even close to true.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-13 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

www.nytimes.com

www.cbsnews.com

rt.com

www.zerohedge.com

Middle income Americans are poorer today than 1984. The chart in Zerohedge is used in many articles including Slate. Wealth and wages didn't start dropping in 2009, but they have kept dropping since the recession officially ended in June of 2009. Things have gotten worse since then for the typical American.

#34 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOWER end jobs pay less. Higher end jobs are paying more. The upper class has seen wages and networth increase substantially.

So its not an Obama thing.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2014-08-13 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's a comparison of the same jobs. The lower end jobs that you are talking about don't just pay less, they pay less than they did 5 years ago.

#35 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Whom should we blame?"

The 1%

You are are probably making 23% less right now if you cant see this was the plan all along.

It will be known as the Great Middleclass Reset.

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-13 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, it's already working. The American middle class is no longer the worlds richest.

#36 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When liberals denigrate the tea party and libertarians they are wittingly or unwittingly volunteering to be astroturf for the 1%."

Riiight, cuz the Tea Party isn't the astroturfed minority owned by the Koch brothers. Hilarious.

Anyone that is now complaining about the decline of the middle class while at the same time voting for politicians who bust unions, refuse to take away tax advantages to companies that oursource jobs, who are against raising the minimum wage, etc. are not even worth listening to. They are simply delusional morons who think the growth of the middle class since the thirties was an accident and not the result of laws, unions, trade barriers, etc. The middle class won't grow again until those folks are dismissed as the morons that they are.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-13 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"The middle class won't grow again until those folks are dismissed as the morons that they are."

the "morons" aren't going anywhere, Danni.

maybe they should be party line voters instead and ignore all issues.

sounds like a plan.

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-13 12:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's one of the objectives of the bankers when they created this....make the cattle poor and reward their own.

#39 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-13 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

"maybe they should be party line voters instead and ignore all issues. "

Supreme Court is still the most powerful branch of government so who is elected President becomes critically important, I don't ever want another Republican elected to that office because I can see the damage their appointees have done. Perhaps you can't.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-13 02:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I can see the damage their appointees have done"

--------. All you see are election results that you don't like (dems not winning all of them).

your interest ends there. That's the damage to you.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-13 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

www.youtube.com

#42 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-13 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lohocla,
Jobs have been created. 8 million of them. The problem is that they don't pay what they used to or they are low paying service industry jobs to begin with.
That's because American workers face competition from outsourcing to developing economies AND insourcing from foreign labor.

#43 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-13 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#43 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT

So, does the lower paying jobs add to or detract from the subject of the video?

#44 | Posted by Lohocla at 2014-08-13 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Supreme Court is still the most powerful branch of government so who is elected President becomes critically important, I don't ever want another Republican elected to that office because I can see the damage their appointees have done. Perhaps you can't.

#40 | Posted by danni

Two Parties and both subservient puppets to a minority of master oligarchs, and somehow you think one Party is good and the other is bad?

Hey, the choices they both pick are bad for America and good for the elites, while they all masquerade and propagandize the issues that divide us as a society. If a unified USA society came to the conclusion that a few elites working together to profit and control us is more evil than liberal or conservative ideology, it would scare the hxll out of our puppet masters. That's why they divide us.

#45 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-13 08:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

....policies we are unwilling to enact to change this.

Posted by eberly

Thanks to the Worst Congress Ever.

#46 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anybody who says this is all the fault of Obama, or of Bush before him, or of any specific politician or political party, is being either short-sighted or dishonest. Times change. Low-cost overseas labor and recession took away lots of jobs, and you can blame this or that policy if you like, but automation might just kill them off for good -- regardless of who's in the White House. And not just manual-labor jobs, either.

If you have 15 minutes, watch this brand-new, mind-blowing video called "Humans Need Not Apply," about how computers and robots might eventually make up to 70 percent of jobs obsolete: youtu.be

Political affiliation won't matter when work is unattainable. Maybe at some point society will reorder itself and will recognize that we don't even need to have jobs, as long as we have a means of gathering food. But in the interim, be prepared for lots of unrest.

#47 | Posted by cbob at 2014-08-14 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jobs Created Since 2008 Crash Pay 23% Less

Missions Accomplished!

~the Oligarchs

#48 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-14 04:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the jobs created under Bush were public sector jobs, all the jobs created under Obama have been in the private sector.

#49 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-14 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

All the jobs created under Bush were public sector jobs, all the jobs created under Obama have been in the private sector.

#49 | Posted by northguy3

Republicans are all anti Big Government.

Right up until they are elected.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-14 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is how it goes:
This is the worst recovery on record.
Really, the only ones that have recovered from the recession are the 1% due to the actions of the Federal Reserve. As Rick Perry said back in 2012, the actions of the Federal Reserve have been treasonous.

The 1% have had their wealth reinstated by the fed printing money. Stealing from regular Americans by way of inflation. All right under the watchful eye of president Obama. The recession has never ended for average Americans.

#51 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-14 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Political affiliation won't matter when work is unattainable. Maybe at some point society will reorder itself and will recognize that we don't even need to have jobs,

Social Credit

Read about it, learn it, love it it is the only answer to an increasingly automated work force.

#52 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-14 08:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

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