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Josh Conger, Daily Beast: President Obama got angry at lawmakers who suggested in a private meeting that he should have armed the Syrian rebels, calling the criticism "horse----." Just before the congressional recess, President Obama invited over a dozen Senate and House leaders from both

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According to one of the lawmakers, Sen. Bob Corker asked the president a long question that included sharp criticisms of President Obama's handling of a number of foreign policy issues -- including Syria, ISIS, Russia, and Ukraine. Obama answered Corker at length. Then, the president defended his administration's actions on Syria, saying that the notion that many have put forth regarding arming the rebels earlier would have led to better outcomes in Syria was "horse----."

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How in the hell do you arm the rebels when we don't even know what they are really about. Hell we helped arm the Taliban and then went to war against them. Just seems stupid to me.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

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Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
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Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

*Hildabeast has her work cut out for her.

#2 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

How in the hell do you arm the rebels when we don't even know what they are really about.

It is planning for the future. Arming the terrorists of tomorrow by randomly aiding rebels today. The Military Industrial Complex needs customers.

#3 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It is planning for the future. Arming the terrorists of tomorrow by randomly aiding rebels today. The Military Industrial Complex needs customers.

Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:48 AM | Reply

So true.

#4 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gotta remember that Obama tried to stay in Iraq. They kicked us out. Now, Obama gets to return.

#5 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

And we get a new "crisis" just before the elections.

#6 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gotta remember that Obama tried to stay in Iraq. They kicked us out. Now, Obama gets to return.

Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:51 AM | Reply

While we sink here at home.

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gotta be careful Larry. Someone is due to come around any moment and make this thread about insulting us instead of discussing the subject.

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So true Kanrei so true.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

The headline is bogus and misleading. Hillary's comments just came out last weekend. Obama made his comment last month when Bob Corker questioned him during a July 31st meeting. talkingpointsmemo.com

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Obama should give an interview endorsing Biden for presidency and calling Hillary a failed secretary of state.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-12 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are correct Tony. The headline should remove Hillary's name.

#12 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Criticism of our lack of involvement in Syria are off-base. There are no good guys in Syria except for the civilians being slaughtered by both sides.

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-12 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

The headline is bogus and misleading. Hillary's comments just came out last weekend. Obama made his comment last month when Bob Corker questioned him during a July 31st meeting. talkingpointsmemo.com

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 10:59 AMFlag: | Newsworthy 1

Are you suggesting that Obama has had a change of heart and doesn't think that the hildabeast's comments are --------- now?

#14 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-12 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Any arms we gave to the Syrian rebels would be in the hands of ISIS now. Just like the arms we gave to the Iraqi army.

The idea that simply giving guns to these people turns them into an effective fighting force is asinine.

#15 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-12 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

The idea that simply giving guns to these people turns them into an effective fighting force is asinine.
#15 | POSTED BY SULLY AT 2014-08-12 12:01

One of the few times I have agreed with Obama. Arming doctors, engineers, and protesters to fight against an experienced army is only sending lambs to the slaughter.

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Headline changed. Obama's comment preceded Hillary's criticism.

#17 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

And we get a new "crisis" just before the elections.

You misread the mood of voters if you think it is be a plus for Obama and the Democrats to be engaged in a new war in Iraq.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 I think Democrats are washing their hands of the mid-terms and are focusing on what will help them in '16 now. Yellow dogs will vote for Hillary regardless and she needs to play to a more interventionist group of independents whom polls are telling her are displeased with Obama's inaction. Obama understands that the White House is in play and knows that as a powerless lame duck, all he can do is let Hillary start drawing distinctions between herself and his failed policies.

#19 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-12 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

How in the hell do you arm the rebels when we don't even know what they are really about. Hell we helped arm the Taliban and then went to war against them. Just seems stupid to me.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ask Corky. He was for before he found out he should be against it.

#20 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-12 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Has the irony of this escaped everyone?

Obama has been rightly criticized for arming Libyan militias against Qaddafi that are now destabilizing the nation and hurling it towards civil war. Obama has been criticized for NOT arming rebel factions in Syria, which based on simple observation would have likely led many to end up in ISIS' hands as have many US supplied weapons left on the field by retreating and defeated Iraqi army soldiers.

Doesn't anyone here see that every option is fraught with peril and bad alternatives regardless of what is done or not done? The best anyone can do is try to determine a course of action and be malleable enough to change it if circumstances beyond our control prove it to be the wrong one. Second-guess criticism is reserved for those who don't have to make the actual decisions in real time.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think Democrats are washing their hands of the mid-terms and are focusing on what will help them in '16 now.

The Democrats don't need much help in 2016 if Hillary runs. Her polling with women is off the charts.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is certainly in a politically no-win situation. He is going to upset people by what he chooses or doesn't choose to do.

While the "fence sitter" term has been demonized here, sometimes it is proper to sit on the fence until you know what is on both sides of said fence.

Fact is we didn't know who the rebels were, their ability to fight, or what exactly they were fighting for and it would be not only naive, but irresponsible for us to arm anyone without knowing where those arms would be pointed.

#23 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary is setting herself up to be the best possible candidate in 2016...

for the Republican Party.

Many progressive folks are rediscovering why they embraced Obama in 07-08 instead of falling behind Hillary's inevitability. It doesn't seem like the lessons of Bush's Folly and the limits of the US military have resonated deeply enough with her, and her recent support of Netanyahu and his destruction of Gaza isn't winning her any new friends either.

These aren't my wishes, just my observations. Prominent voices on the left are already standing up and taking notice. And the GOP is doing everything in their power to throw away their advantages for 2014. I think people already counting their chickens might be in for a rude awakening.

#24 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 01:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doesn't anyone here see that every option is fraught with peril and bad alternatives regardless of what is done or not done? The best anyone can do is try to determine a course of action and be malleable enough to change it if circumstances beyond our control prove it to be the wrong one.

Tony demonstrates a perfect example of the madness that exists in the minds of Americans.

1) The US is responsible for the world.
2) The US is the arbitrator of international disputes.
3) The US is the SWAT Team/Occupier of disputed territories.
4) In any/every dispute-conflict the US must "weigh in" and/or "take action"
5) Nations 'must seek' and the US 'must grant' approval
6) Americans see the rest of the world as some muddy horse trodden wasteland filled with backwoods imbeciles that need us to make decisions for them.

This arrogance will be the end of us.

#25 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-12 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

"This arrogance will be the end of us."

Imperial hubris has brought down more than one civilization.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-12 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tony demonstrates a perfect example of the madness that exists in the minds of Americans.

Yes, and our politicians and public opinion has been driving it since 9/11. It still doesn't change the fact that whatever happens in key places around the globe have direct and indirect impact upon our economy and security. Disengagement is just as problematic as engagement.

The largest economic power and the most influential nation on the planet cannot just shrug it's shoulders as parts of the world boil in turmoil.

But it also doesn't mean we have to be militarily involved in every single conflict across the globe. The devil is in finding the proper balance and in understanding the difficulty of attempting to do so.

#27 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-12 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#27 Let the world map change. We need to become self-sufficient, self-reliant, and productive. Fat a55es need to make-do with less if need be. Shrink gov't and military. Secure and defend borders. Promote job growth and infrastructure.

What happened to "shovel-ready" projects?

#28 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-12 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The world is changing. Those that don't adapt and change along with it will perish regardless of the size of thier armys or economies. There are no longer guaranteed outcomes in geo-politics. The world that Bush and Obama have had to navigate through is much more complex than the days when if someone bombed you, you just bombed them back and whoever had the most bombs won.

#29 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2014-08-12 05:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Democrats don't need much help in 2016 if Hillary runs. Her polling with women is off the charts.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 01:13 PM | Reply |

And what does that say about most women. Let's see; almost all blacks vote for Obama because he's black. A large number of women will vote for the big Hill because she's a woman----makes sense to me.

#30 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-12 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Criticism of our lack of involvement in Syria are off-base. There are no good guys in Syria except for the civilians being slaughtered by both sides.

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG

I partially agree with that and that is why Obama listened to people who actually know the dynamics of the region. A complete overthrow results in Iraq 2.0 due to an Iraq like situation prior to the war. So we chose to let them battle for a place they would be forced to negotiate and outcome.

The problem comes in when the Islamists started poring in. They helped turn the tide against Assad for a while but then got their own ideas and started fighting with the secular rebels. Now we have ISIS... Was it foreseeable? Yes, but what other option was there really? Russians and Iran backing Assad... West backing Secular mainly Sunni Rebellion... Radicals were something of a wild card. Malaki in Iraq poorly governing was the real tipping point.

#31 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-08-12 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

And what does that say about most women.

It says they like a centrist Democrat who was a former Secretary of State and a partner to a popular president in the '90s whose tenure was marked by strong economic growth.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

How could the President proceed without offending Congress? Either he is weak because Congress needs to act and won't, or he is a dictator because he leads and Congress won't follow.

If congress is so concerned about the Syrians and terrorist, let them make the declaration of war against the parties, allocate funds and scope of the conflict, like the constitution requires.

Congress will also have to negotiate the mine field of the Arab politics to get approval for such a war. How will the Saudis frame the optics of approving the use of American (or Western / non Muslim troops) killing very conservative Muslims, in their own country, when these conservatives have done nothing wrong (according to their interpretation of the Koran)? How will the Gulf State rulers keep the man on the Arab streets from revolting against them for their approval of the use of US troops to kill Muslims, and how will the Gulf State rulers stay in power, considering that the Arab Spring has just happened. If the Gulf State rulers fall, like in Egypt and Libya, then you have a very significant problem on your hands.

When are the Saudis and Gulf States going to step up and take responsibility for their regional security, or when are we going to make the accountable for their own security? There are a great many Saudis that have nothing better to do but to plan and train for terrorist missions. Going to war will give these men something to do, other than planning to kill US citizens, and simultaneously help the Saudis thin their herd, instead of thinning ours.

#33 | Posted by gybeho at 2014-08-12 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

He surely should recognize horse bleep. And know what is and what it is not.

#34 | Posted by Donald at 2014-08-12 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

and how will the Gulf State rulers stay in power, considering that the Arab Spring has just happened.

They'll kill the (usually shia)protesters, as they already have done in saudistan and Dubai. For saudistan, sunni jihadists rank second only to oil in principal exports.

Saudistan made America its ----- back under Herbie, protecting it from a non-existent threat, increased their control under Dubya and continue to operate as anti-American jihadists' trainers and bankers with impunity under Obama. First under the guise of Saddam is an evil genius bad guy and now under the guise of shia are the bad guys.

If Hitler had been a saudi, he would have convinced the west to kill jews because of their terrorist attack on the Reichstag.

#35 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-13 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Washington's propaganda is working. Polls reveal that a majority of Americans, who should be awake by now after being lied to about Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and Iran, have again, in their infinite gullibility, fallen victim to the propaganda and regard Russia as a threat.

The Polish government has demanded that Washington purchase the apples and agricultural products that Washington has made impossible for Poland to sell to Russia. As Poland is Washington's choice for the US missile base directed at Russia, the Polish government has leverage. Once Washington gives in to Poland, Washington will be faced with similar demands from hard-hit Greece and Austria and from the rest of Europe to compensate Europeans for the costs that Washington's sanctions have imposed on its vassal populations.

The fraud perpetuated on the world by the United States in the 21st century is extraordinary. Nothing comparable has ever been witnessed in history. Not only are there the frauds of the numerous wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, almost Iran and Washington's illegal military actions within the borders of Pakistan and Yemen, but also the vast financial frauds perpetuated on the world. Among the costs of Wall Street's frauds are the European debt crisis, the infringements of national sovereignty of European countries by the IMF bailouts of sovereign debt, and the impoverishment of "rescued" Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland, along with Eastern Europe.

One day the Europeans will wake up. When they do, they will realize that Washington does nothing for them except to protect them from a non-existent "Russian threat," while imposing dramatic costs upon them by employing Europeans as levies in Washington's war for hegemony over the world. Sooner or later Europeans must realize that this role assigned to them by Washington is not in their interest and leads directly to World War III in which Europeans will be the first casualties. (Paul Craig Roberts)

#36 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-14 11:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

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