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Tuesday, August 12, 2014

"In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid," said MIT professor Noam Chomsky. "To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by 'apartheid' you mean South African-style apartheid. ... There's a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don't want them. They want them out, or at least in prison."

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Chomsky said, "But there could be sanctions. And there's an obvious way to proceed. There has been for years, and has plenty of support. In fact, Amnesty International called for it during the Cast Lead operations. That's an arms embargo. For the U.S. to impose an arms embargo, or even to discuss it, would be a major issue, major contribution. That's the most important of the possible sanctions.

"And there's a basis for it. U.S. arms to Israel are in violation of U.S. law, direct violation of U.S. law. You look at U.S. foreign assistance law, it bars any military assistance to any one country, unit, whatever, engaged in consistent human rights violations. Well, you know, Israel's violation of human rights violations is so extreme and consistent that you hardly have to argue about it."

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NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, several points again. First, about the Warsaw Ghetto, there's a very interesting debate going on right now in Israel in the Hebrew press as to whether the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was justified. It began with an article, I think by a survivor, who went through many details and argued that the uprising, which was sort of a rogue element, he said, actually seriously endangered the Jews of the -- surviving Jews in the ghetto and harmed them. Then came responses, and there's a debate about it. But that's exactly the kind of question you want to ask all the time: What's going to be the effect of the action on the victims? It's not a trivial question in the case of the Warsaw Ghetto. Obviously, maybe the Nazis are the extreme in brutality in human history, and you have to surely sympathize and support the ghetto inhabitants and survivors and the victims, of course. But nevertheless, the tactical question arises. This is not open. And it arises here, too, all the time, if you're serious about concern for the victims.

But his general point is accurate, and it's essentially what I was trying to say before. Israel wants quiet, wants the Palestinians to be nice and quiet and nonviolent, the way Nicholas Kristof urges. And then what will Israel do? We don't have to guess. It's what they have been doing, and they'll continue, as long as there's no resistance to it. What they're doing is, briefly, taking over whatever they want, whatever they see as of value in the West Bank, leaving Palestinians in essentially unviable cantons, pretty much imprisoned; separating the West Bank from Gaza in violation of the solemn commitments of the Oslo Accords; keeping Gaza under siege and on a diet; meanwhile, incidentally, taking over the Golan Heights, already annexed in violation of explicit Security Council orders; vastly expanding Jerusalem way beyond any historical size, annexing it in violation of Security Council orders; huge infrastructure projects, which make it possible for people living in the nice hills of the West Bank to get to Tel Aviv in a few minutes without seeing any Arabs. That's what they'll continue doing, just as they have been, as long as the United States supports it. That's the decisive point, and that's what we should be focusing on. We're here. We can do things here. And that happens to be of critical significance in this case. That's going to be -- it's not the only factor, but it's the determinative factor in what the outcome will be.

#1 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-11 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Instead of rising above the human tragedy that was WWII and led to the creation of the State of Israel, Israel is repeating that history, only the names have changed.

#2 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-12 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually the American empire is doing it by proxy.

That is the whole point.

#3 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-12 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

And Iran is behind Palestine by proxy. Their goals are very clear.

That piece of land under islamic rule would definitely still produce countless nobel laureates, technological advances, open tourism and other goodies for humanity.

At lease israel is attempting (and succeeding in many ways) at a multi religious and ethnic civilization.

They just have to stop the foreign hasids making settlements..

#4 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-12 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

You are obfuscating fascist imperialism. Iran doesn't can't do squat compared to what the American empire has furnished the state of Israel.

Red herring fail.

#5 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-12 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Potato potatoe. As Obama said regarding the nsa issue: "I'm not going to apologize just because we're the best at it."

fascist imperialism or western driven global capitalism. patatoe.

Would you prefer Iranian driven global sharia law?

#6 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-12 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Potato potatoe... patatoe.

#6 | Posted by Yodar013

Dan Quayle? Is that you?

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-13 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

#6 Doesn't even rise to Quayle's level. Closer to Carrot Top level bs.

#8 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-13 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Giving or selling arms to a human rights violating nation is against the USA "Leahy law". Israel meets every parameter as a human rights violator.

mondoweiss.net

Like most of our laws such as immigration, they are enforced only by convenience and whims.

#9 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-13 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Assumption one: Obama is smarter than every poster on this website.

Assumption two: Obama has much greater access to intelligence regarding the situation between Israel and Hamas, and has a deep understanding regarding it.

I think we can all agree on both assumptions right?

Now say to yourself out loud: I understand this situation better than Obama. He is wrong.

Now repeat if necessary, and give yourself a pat on the back, and then go back to talking about carrot top and dan quayle.

#10 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-13 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your obfuscations don't even rise to the level of Mighty Mouse. Go back to Reddit politics where they censor anyone with an IQ above 75.

#11 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-13 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh and yes sorry, I should have written potato potahto. I didn't know there was a proper spelling for that idiom. I was hoping you would understand the nuance.

Now we can discuss/debate the differences between fascist imperialism or western driven global capitalism, and its affects on humanity over the past couple of decades.

Or resort to personal insults. Fun.

#12 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-13 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see you've made your decision.

Please just answer one quick question: do you agree with those assumptions in post #10?

#13 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-13 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently my nuance was confusing, and comes across as obfuscation to those that didn't understand. So I'll try to simplify them a bit.

#3 the fascist american empire is behind Israel (by proxy).

#4 My point: yes, to a degree. Similar to how Iran is behind Hamas (by proxy). Their goals are very clear. Please research if you don't know.

Then I used a bit of sarcasm, which can confuse some. My point: If Iran and Hamas are successful in turning that piece of land into an islamic state, do you think it would have the same economic success? Would it be multi-religious and multi ethnic? Would it be open to tourism for all people?

I even criticized the hasids and their land grabs, in an attempt to find middle ground.

Hopefully that clears up some of the obfuscation.

#14 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-13 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only purpose of this cease-fire is for Israel to re-arm from America's arsenal.

Where are these rockets entering Gaza from? Violent orthodox Zionists surround all of Palestine. A gigantic wall manned with Israeli military isolates Gaza from aid vessels and international observers. Where are these missiles getting in and from whom?

With Iron Dome able to virtually disarm Hamas rockets attacks why isn't Israel aiding Palestinians in performing their own ground hunt for these Hamas rocketeers?

Arms, legs, lips and wallets embargo.

#15 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-13 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tunnels. Many of them, and very deep. Hamas uses children to dig them, then kills most out of suspicion that the intel will be given to Israel. They don't use the tunnels for humanitarian aid..

Mostly coming from Iran by ship to Sudan, smuggled through Egypt and the Sinai into the tunnels.

Israel has to take out the warehouses in Sudan every year or so.

www.timesofisrael.com

#16 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2014-08-13 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad Chomsky doesn't call for a complete embargo on Russia. THAT, I could get behind.

#17 | Posted by e1g1 at 2014-08-13 08:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

He would have to call for a worldwide embargo on the USA first to be fair.

#18 | Posted by Shawn at 2014-08-13 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

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