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Monday, August 11, 2014

Veteran film and television comedic actor Robin Williams was found dead at his home on Monday. He was 63. The cause of death is believed to be suicide via asphyxiation, according to the coroner's office in Tiburon, California. He was found in his home. His publicist said the actor had been battling depression of late. "This is a tragic and sudden loss," his publicist Mara Buxbaum said. "The family respectfully asks for their privacy as they grieve during this very difficult time."

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Williams, who won an Oscar for his supporting role in Good Will Hunting, will appear as Theodore Roosevelt in the third installment of Night at the Museum this December. He had recently signed on to reprise the title role in a Mrs. Doubtfire sequel to be directed by Chris Columbus.

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It wasn't a skiing accident, was it?

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-11 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Suicide.

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#2 | Posted by Roy_Batty at 2014-08-11 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Depression is hell. Goodbye funny man.

#3 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-11 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wow, you never know what's going through people's heads.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-11 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guess Mork got homesick for Ork.

Nanu, nanu.

RIP.

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#5 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-11 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am very sad. RIP Robin. Thanks for the laughs. Wishing I could have taken on a few of those demons to keep you around longer.

#6 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2014-08-11 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

I never found him that funny, but it's sad nonetheless. Suicide is never an answer.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-11 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where was he between 10pm and 11:55am that no one saw him in his own residence? The timeline is odd.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

#8 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-11 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

tragic. what joys he gave to us.

#9 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-11 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

The other night I was surfing through some comedian bits and found some recent stand up of his. He was riffing on "You might be an alcoholic if...." E.g. "You might be an alcoholic if you wake up hungover and say 'somebody ---- in my pants!'" Only it wasn't funny, it was sad. A confessional.

#10 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-11 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

There goes the news cycle.

RIP funny man.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-11 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Depression isn't funny, funny man. RIP.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-11 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just watched his last film this weekend, The Angriest Man in Brooklyn. I find it odd that he attempts suicide in the movie.

#13 | Posted by rearendhat at 2014-08-11 07:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just watched The Dead Poets Society the other night...

RIP

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-11 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is such sad news that Robin Williams has left us. He made many movies, but my favorite always has been "Bicentennial Man." In this one, we watched him change over the years from a simple android to finally being recognized by the law as a human man.

www.imdb.com

#15 | Posted by Judity at 2014-08-11 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Suicide is never an answer."

That's BS. Depends on how much pain you are suffering.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-11 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hopefully he left a hilarious suicide note, because that would be the only funny thing he's done.
(I went easy because I did like mork and mindy)

#17 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-11 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life thinking it is stupid." Albert Einstein.

You're Not Mad, You're Creative

Read more at www.pickthebrain.com

#RIPMork

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-11 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

goodbye garp

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-08-11 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

the T. S stands for terribly sad

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2014-08-11 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Williams was a good friend to Christopher Reeve, who became a paraplegic after the accident competing in dressage. Reeve, with a good reason to want to die, was unable to effect his own suicide, and of course received no assistance. That, to me, was cold. Then his wife succumbed to cancer very shortly after Reeve died.

There is, of course, the news which just seems to get worse and worse; sensitive people, introverts, have it pretty rough.

i hope Williams rests in peace; nobody has the right to criticize his decision.

#21 | Posted by kenx at 2014-08-11 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

the T. S stands for terribly sad

#20 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Before that it stood for terribly sexy.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-11 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Fisher King was his greatest performance imo. The man was a genius in his own right. RIP.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-11 07:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

From the opera Pagliacci....the clown who cried under the painted face........................

"As they lay lifeless on the stage floor, Canio delivers one of opera's most chilling lines, "The comedy is over."......

#24 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Auto-erotic asphyxiation?

Na nu na nu.

#25 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-08-11 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF Robin?

The world may not have loved all your films but we loved you.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-11 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fisher King was completely underestimated by many......

and I know it isn't widely shared...but I liked him even in "toys'...

but I believe the oscars got it right with "goodwill hunting"

#27 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 07:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

He had recently signed on to reprise the title role in a Mrs. Doubtfire sequel to be directed by Chris Columbus.

I guess he really regretted that decision.

Crappy news.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-11 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where was he between 10pm and 11:55am that no one saw him in his own residence?

If he had an enormous mansion, it wouldn't be that hard for him to go missing in it.

#29 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-11 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

" "affect" his own suicide" (i paused over correct usage & still chose the wrong word)

#30 | Posted by kenx at 2014-08-11 07:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sad

#31 | Posted by bph320 at 2014-08-11 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I got a little tired of Robin Williams' zany improvisational wackiness, but I loved a lot of his movie work.

My favorite of his movies were Good Will Hunting, Good Morning Vietnam, Awakenings and Dead Poet's Society.

I also liked Popeye, though most moviegoers didn't.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-11 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

yeah he was funny...but this guy had 'range'....

#33 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I got to know Robin over the past 20 years (most recently during the filming of The Crazy Ones) and while brilliant and hilarious, he had more than his share of demons.

Kind of the curse of the truly talented, it is sad that he had to pass so young.

RIP.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2014-08-11 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

me too...there were times lately that he was just stupid silly....but none of us bat a thousand...

#35 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 07:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Williams and Winters on Carson.

www.youtube.com

#36 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-11 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Williams was a good friend to Christopher Reeve, who became a paraplegic after the accident competing in dressage. Reeve, with a good reason to want to die, was unable to effect his own suicide, and of course received no assistance. That, to me, was cold. Then his wife succumbed to cancer very shortly after Reeve died.

It leaked out that Reeves was broke because of his accident. Robin Williams stepped in an paid every medical bill and living expense for him and his family, a promise they made to each other when they were college roommates at Julliard

RIP

#37 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-11 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Very sad. =(

#38 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-08-11 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

yep righto

how many times.....musicians...actors..
..artists.....

millions of dollars....world wide popularity....awards....

and yet..not enough.

#39 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 07:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

If only he had an outlet like we do with this site. He could've posted here and vented. Maybe it would've helped. God knows we have plenty of mental patients.

#40 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-11 07:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#16 That's BS.

No that's true. Suicide is never the right way out.

Suicide is not so much as what you do to yourself, but a thing you do to those you left behind.

Nanu, Nanu Nevermore.

#41 | Posted by 88120rob at 2014-08-11 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Want to be truly disgusted with yourselves conservatives?

Read the comments section in the robin williams death article that was linked to from THE DRUDGE REPORT:

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Here's a couple:
"More important things are affecting the lives of Americans other than a coked up actor's suicide. Sad for his family but other families are dealing with the failed policies of others. People are dying because of a failed president. All you butthurt celebrity worshiping dorks. Thousands die on the streets, thousands aborted weekly. American citizens murdered by illegal aliens. Isis taking over a killing many because of people living in lala land and their bad failded policies. And yall are more concerned about a old white one percenter. Sad for his family and friends but there are sadder things than Robin hanging himself."

"I won't miss him. No offense, but I did not find him to be talented and there are many other real issues going on in the world. America is becoming a nation of idiots."

"So one of hollyweird's 1%ers kills himself...sad as that is for his family and friends, the world is still burning and most of us won't be attending a vigil for him. We'll still be going to work, NOT making millions per job, yet still plugging away while the gummint takes most of our pay to give away to those who have their hands out. Again, sorry for his family and friends, but life goes on...."

This is why most people hate you.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-11 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

16 That's BS.

No that's true. Suicide is never the right way out.

Suicide is not so much as what you do to yourself, but a thing you do to those you left behind.

Nanu, Nanu Nevermore.

#41 | Posted by 88120rob a

yep.....used to think it was a coward's way out...have some truly tragic event and your mind changes !!!...I KNOW.....

but you are correct sir....it IS the ones you leave behind that suffer

#43 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hopefully he left a hilarious suicide note, because that would be the only funny thing he's done.
(I went easy because I did like mork and mindy)

#17 | Posted by 101Chairborne

leave it to a moron to contradict himself in a 2 line post.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-11 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 20

20 years ago a friend of mine commented that he could by looking at the way Williams acted in interviews that he was the type of person who would probably end up committing suicide. Sad to see he was right.

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-11 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

^ could tell by

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2014-08-11 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Read it just as I was sitting down to dinner. I couldn't pick a favorite film of his so many styles at any given moment I could sit and watch a Williams film and enjoy myself.

Sad to hear and I will miss looking forward to his next film.

#47 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-11 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Asphyxiation?

I hope that it was by auto-erotic asphyxiation. He deserved a happy ending, and one last dirty joke.

#48 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-11 08:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Statement by the President on the Passing of Robin Williams

"Robin Williams was an airman, a doctor, a genie, a nanny, a president, a professor, a bangarang Peter Pan, and everything in between. But he was one of a kind. He arrived in our lives as an alien – but he ended up touching every element of the human spirit. He made us laugh. He made us cry. He gave his immeasurable talent freely and generously to those who needed it most – from our troops stationed abroad to the marginalized on our own streets. The Obama family offers our condolences to Robin's family, his friends, and everyone who found their voice and their verse thanks to Robin Williams."

talkingpointsmemo.com


Pitch perfect.

#49 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-11 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

#43 | Posted by afkabl2

I am with you. When I was young and foolish I didn't understand suicide. I said things like "how cowardly". I have a much better understanding today. I certainly understand how someone battling depression and not seeing any hope can resort to it. I can also see how people in great pain or with terminal illness see it as a solution.

Regardless, it is tragic for those left behind.

#50 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-08-11 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it about having everything that causes a persons soul to wear out?

#51 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-11 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know, but I'd like to find out.

#52 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-11 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Elvis, belushi, micheal jackson, whitney... on and on.

How many have lost their center of gravity that are not famous entertainers?

How many humans encourage other humans to be less than human?

I find it interesting that we have to ask why.

#53 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-11 09:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may,
Old time is still a-flying:
And this same flower that smiles to-day
To-morrow will be dying..."

#54 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-11 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Was the greatest ad libber of my generation. Made some good movies, like Mrs. Doubtfire, Aladdin, Hook, Dead Poets Society, Awakenings, Good Morning Vietnam, even Jumanji. Disney had to rewrite Aladdin because of all his ad libbing. Alcohol probably played a role in his depression. Use your time well. There's plenty of time to be dead.

#55 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-11 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Damn, i switched on cnn to listen to afew minutes of coverage and even wolfe blitzer was tearing up.

#56 | Posted by kudzu at 2014-08-11 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

And another iconic piece of my childhood dies.

#57 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-11 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry, be happy.

#58 | Posted by RastaCyborg at 2014-08-11 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is it about having everything that causes a persons soul to wear out?

#51 | POSTED BY KUDZU

It has nothing to do with "having everything". It has everything to do with soul-crushing pain and you and I have no ability to understand what that feels like any more than we know how it feels to give birth. Don't try to make sense of a suicide because it never does.

BTW, there are 26 suicides by veterans EVERYDAY.

#59 | Posted by justanoversight at 2014-08-11 09:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Very very Sad, he was very talented, and what a tragedy for those who loved him. RIP.

#60 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-11 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I know that's a selfish thing to say on the surface but... stars belong to all of us. To see those who made me smile the most like MJ and Williams die? It makes me... know that I too, am mortal and will pass one day. We all know we're mortal you say? I don't think anyone believes it truly until they see things that define them die.

I hope I find a way with what is left of my life to mean as much to at least a few others what Williams meant to... millions of folks like me. It is our only true path to immortality.

#61 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-11 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

True immortality emerges from the lives of scientists like Newton, Einstein and Hawkins. Even some philosophers, though few are as well known except Jesus and Mohamed. Truth and Justice, but dare we say the American way any more?

#62 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-11 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#61 | Posted by soheifox

Horse feathers. You'd never even heard of Williams before this thread. Probably had to use the googles just to figure out who he was.

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#63 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-11 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What is it about having everything that causes a persons soul to wear out?"

Obviously he didn't have everything.

Class envy is not becoming

#64 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-11 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#62 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2014-08-11 09:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Missed the point as usual.

#65 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-11 09:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Horse feathers. You'd never even heard of Williams before this thread. Probably had to use the googles just to figure out who he was.
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#63 | POSTED BY DAVE AT 2014-08-11 09:41 PM | FLAG:

Well a lot of people DO suddenly declare themselves lifelong fans of some obscure twit once they die. Expect people to be suddenly calling Popeye a masterpiece. At least I have my imdb profile showing a vote from 6 years ago rating it an 8 to prove I always liked it.

#66 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-11 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

St. Peter: Shazbot it's Robin Williams.

RIP

#67 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-11 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Horse feathers. You'd never even heard of Williams before this thread. Probably had to use the googles just to figure out who he was.

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#63 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-11 09:41

you are such a d**K !!

#68 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

CLASSY ABC !!

offering viewers AERIAL FOOTAGE over his house......

real classy guys.....

madonna's wedding or trash like that...is one thing...but this ? really ?

#69 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I also liked Popeye"

#32 | POSTED BY RCADE

You may live to regret that admission. Popeye was horrifying. And not in a wacky, camp, cult movie way. Just horrifying. I mean....good lord!

www.youtube.com

#70 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-08-11 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of the characters he portrayed, I still think I like Adrian Cronauer the best.

chitownstarconnections.files.w
ordpress.com

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-11 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

FB is blazing.....but it's a good conversation.....

robin williams died..

on average 23 vets will commit suicide......do we make too much of him and ignore those ?

does it mean we suck ?

is it just part of our celebrity crazy society?

or is it a subject better suited for a later date ?

some interesting replies....

#72 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-11 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

God: We weren't expecting you yet.
Robin: I never follow the script.

O captain, my captain. It hurts.

#73 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-11 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Popeye was every bit as whimsical as the newspaper cartoon, just a quiet funny little film. As for Mr. Williams, laughter is a precious commodity these days, and in that way we all lost something we all need a lot more of. In a way, he was a national treasure-

#74 | Posted by jrod54 at 2014-08-11 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

My son, who had been with the 7th Group fighting the drug wars in South America, came back a basket case. I did what I could, but in the end it was not enough. Suicide takes real balls, I wanted to do it a couple of times after I lost his mother when he was only 3, but found I did not have the real courage to do it. It has been 17 years now, and I miss him every day. To Robin's family, I share your pain, it will never heal, it just gets a little easier to deal with each day.

#75 | Posted by Anon451 at 2014-08-11 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

It means we know Robin Williams more than we do the 23 vets that died. It means Robin Williams has played a role in every single persons lives and touched them in a meaningful way including those 23 vets. It means he was larger than life itself.

Death is tragic especially suicide because you cannot make sense of it. It doesn't make those deaths any less tragic than Mr. Williams death. There is a difference between being on stage to make people laugh and being off the stage saving the world. Hero's are unnamed and no one knows who you are. You accept this when you sign the government dotted lines.

That's just the way it is. When you make yourself public, known, and you touch their lives you will be known by people. If you go to work every day, pay your bills on time, raise great kids, and then die. No one knows who you are besides your friends and family.

Is that death any less than Mr. Williams? No it is not.

I think the problem is Americans concept of death where death is somehow better if more people know you than the person who had 4 kids, a wife, and a cute Shitzu. It's almost as if you're in denial that death is coming for you too.

That's the reality we all die. Once we die it's done. It's over. You played the game and you had one life.

So while death is tragic and sad; everyone dies. Too honor the dead you should celebrate their life that they lived. Mr. Williams died today and so everyone who was touched by Mr. Williams should celebrate his life.

#76 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-08-11 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#72 | Posted by afkabl2
"on average 23 vets will commit suicide......do we make too much of him and ignore those ?
does it mean we suck ?
is it just part of our celebrity crazy society?"

Fair questions. But Williams was so much more than a "celebrity".

Those vets, and their suicides, matter much more to those who knew them, and even more to those who face the same demons they do, and know how close they've been to taking the same road.
And to those who knew them, vets aren't vets: they're people, who affected them.

But as someone whose life has been so steeped in music, I know you understand how art, and the artists who create it, can affect people in very deep, unique ways.
Some may question calling Williams an artist, but that's very much what he was. He wasn't just a funny guy, or a clown, he was a genius.
Sure, he tended to hijack interviews, and he wasn't always at his best, but if comedy were baseball, he'd be batting well over .750.
To say nothing of his brilliance in Awakenings, Dead Poets Society, The Fisher King, and Good Will Hunting.

He may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but in his own way, he was as singular as Mozart, regardless of whether people will know of him centuries from now.

#77 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-11 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

#75 | Posted by Anon451

Wow. No words are sufficient, man.

#78 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-11 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd be in "pain" everyday if I had to live with you.

#79 | Posted by Millennm at 2014-08-12 12:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have to take issue with comparing him to Mozart but I get the reference when you say he was singular.

I'm not sure I agree that the coverage of this guy trumps coverage of the others, but I get that too.....

on another site a guy said this proved our mental health system was in disarray but I didn't think you could equate this with what he was talking about...Williams, I can't imagine, saw the inside of a public health facility on his depression unless he was there as a guest.

but what ever......I rail against these people constantly about making millions reading other people's words. This guy was as far from that TRUE description as anyone in the 'BIZ".....

#80 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

The stories coming out about his generosity to friends and strangers alike tell of a man with a good and compassionate heart. Who know he paid the bills of countless people who were sick.

He was a class act as a human being. And what a body of work ...

(scroll down for filmography): www.imdb.com

#81 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-12 01:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

And people are saying he treated everyone from his costars to the lowest guy on the set to people on the street the same

#82 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-12 01:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

i liked 'Popeye,' enjoyed Shelly Duval as Olive Oyl; it was too long & bogged down in the 3rd act; but Williams did the character perfectly. i hated hated hated 'Jumanji.' i remember the review for Awakenings by the head critic of Austin Chronicle that went on and on, but was just one sentence with attached phrases. She liked it; i don't like movies about the afterlife (or--since 'In the Mouth of Madness'--schizophrenia). 'Mrs. Doubtfire' is a gem & i very much liked 'Good Will Hunting.'

It has been bothering me all day that the cause of death was "suicide by asphyxia," and he was hidden away somewhere. But we don't need to know about all his private stuff, and at least he did not die like another great one recently, Philip Seymour Hoffman (about whom we heard similar diminishment because he wasn't a scientist from the same critics).

#83 | Posted by kenx at 2014-08-12 02:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

He was here the right amount of time. Did exactly what he needed to do. Thanks Robin. You were awesome. RIP

#84 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2014-08-12 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Great article on Robin Williams:

www.headbutler.com

#85 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-12 03:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

#84 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

Simply put. Well said.

#86 | Posted by memyselfini at 2014-08-12 03:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

1986 60 Minutes interview:

www.cbsnews.com

#87 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-12 04:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness. It is putting a burden on your family that is almost impossible to overcome. I wake up every day to face physical and mental pain and all I have to do is remember cleaning up the mess left by suicides not to put a bullet through my head. His family deserves our sympathy, Robin does not.

#88 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-12 07:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#88 You have no idea the mental anguish he went through. To pretend to is a fools errand and to pass judgement just shows how you really lack the empathy most adults possess.

The man gave his time, money and effort to help children with cancer, the list of causes he supported is significant and 180 degrees different from the selfish individual you so badly want him to be.

I fell sorry for you for having such a pathetic view of others.

#89 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 08:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Celebrities represent everything we as American strive for in life--wealth, power, fame, sexual appeal and attractiveness;--all the things that we place our hopes of happiness on--yet many celebrities are often among the saddest people in our society as they frequently struggle with depression and addictions or a host of other demons.

This is the essence of American tragedy.

So long Mr. Williams.

Thanks.

"Genie, you're free!"

#90 | Posted by Grendel at 2014-08-12 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Use your time well. There's plenty of time to be dead.

#55 | POSTED BY NUTCASE AT 2014-08-11 09:14 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

NW.

#91 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 08:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

The man gave his time, money and effort to help children with cancer, the list of causes he supported is significant and 180 degrees different from the selfish individual you so badly want him to be. 726, "to whom much is given, much is expected". I apologize if I offend you, but he also did a lot of retched things like consume vast amounts of cocaine, he was a man, no more, no less. It was not his option to quit- that belongs to the One who gave him life. As far as the pain of depression, I am very familiar with that demon.

#92 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-12 08:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Prag,

"Too honor the dead you should celebrate their life that they lived. Mr. Williams died today and so everyone who was touched by Mr. Williams should celebrate his life."

What are you smoking??

There is NO honor in suicide. I take offense at the one poster's comment that suicide takes "balls".

No... Living through it all takes balls. Living with the demons that scare you daily takes balls.

Robin Williams has destroyed his life legacy. His body of work will be overshadowed by the fact he strangled himself.

His family and loved ones will not only live with the grief of his death, but the shame as well.

With his obvious intelligence and worldly experience, he should have known what this will do to his family.

#93 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 08:48 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Tis easy to condemn others for being weak

#94 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Living is easy. Do nothing and you live. Suicide, while misguided, takes a certain bravery. Anytime one enters into the unknown without the ability to return takes bravery.

RIP.

I hope your demons let you be

#95 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 09:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Robin Williams has destroyed his life legacy. His body of work will be overshadowed by the fact he strangled himself.

Only in the minds of the self righteous.

#96 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 09:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

but he also did a lot of retched things like consume vast amounts of cocaine, he was a man, no more, no less. It was not his option to quit-

He was very open about his drug and alcohol abuse, that is no shocker. There are plenty of people who did vast amounts of cocaine and booze and are not open about their struggles and go to vast efforts to conceal it.

That is the weakness of men.

It was his option, he chose it. It is a sad event.

Judge him if it makes you feel better about yourself, but that is all it is doing.

#97 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

I liked Mork and Mindy as a kid although in retrospect its unwatchable. Really liked Popeye as a kid and would still watch it now. Pretty much either disliked or avoided everything else he did. Still perplexed as to how he, along with Whoopi and Billy Crystal, were promoted as comedy geniuses during the 90's . Was sad to hear he passed then annoyed to hear he offed himself. Suicide is more annoying than movies that beat one joke to death such "Look! A man in drag!".

#98 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-12 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

Is it better to be living yet dead. Or to be dead yet living??? I don't have an answer to that.

#99 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 09:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Those of you who have said that suicide is not the way out, let me ask you this:

Would you say the same of a man with re-bar stuck through various parts of his body that couldn't be removed?

OR a woman who'd had much of her flesh removed in a viscous attack?

I doubt it. Because you'd understand their pain because you could see it.

The pain of depression can be just as debilitating. Just as agonizing and constant and just as real. You just can't see it so you judge them cowards.

#100 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 09:37 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

726,

"Only in the minds of the self righteous."

I'll bet you a million dollars you will never watch a Robin Williams movie again without thinking of him killing himself.

That's not being self righteous. That's just stating a fact.

He has brought shame to his family and to all people who have ever supported him or his career. Don't kid yourself. People who knew him are feeling anger, not sorrow.

If he was naive or didn't fully understand the ramifications and consequences of this act, it would be different.

But he knew what this would do to his family.

This is a terrible thing he did.

Hell, an accidental drug overdose is cause for sadness and genuine sorrow.

Or taking your own life if you are dying and in pain. Even that's cause for having some degree of understanding.

But depression is mostly treatable. Drug addiction is treatable. Not fixable, but manageable if you have the time, resources and desire to help yourself. He certainly had the resources.

He, of all people, knew better so there is no excuse.

He has let down all the people whose respect he has garnered and has set a bad example for the people who look up to him.

I feel pity, not self-righteous.

#101 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

But depression is mostly treatable.

And a listed side effect of MANY of the medications used to treat it is suicidal thoughts. Trust me, it's not as treatable as you would think.

#102 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Many also inhibit impulse control which I believe leads to many suicides. Basically, you lose the ability to control impulses; they act almost like reflexes. Many times you have already done something before you realize you have thought about doing it. Paxil did that to me so I can tell you with total certainty it does happen.

#103 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll bet you a million dollars you will never watch a Robin Williams movie again without thinking of him killing himself.

It would be impossible not to.

Yet I don't judge him for what he did.

In my opinion, what he accomplished during life, is not tarnished by how he died.

That is the difference.

He has brought shame to his family and to all people who have ever supported him or his career. Don't kid yourself. People who knew him are feeling anger, not sorrow.

Only to the self righteous holier than thou crowd.

You feel pity BECAUSE you ARE self righteous.

#104 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

You just can't see it so you judge them cowards.

#100 | POSTED BY REVDARKO AT 2014-08-12 09:37 AM | FLAG:

Exactly.

#105 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'll bet you a million dollars you will never watch a Robin Williams movie again without thinking of him killing himself.

Same is true of Hendrix, Joplin, Cobain, etc. Thing is, that doesn't stop me from listening to, enjoying, and celebrating their work. Hunter S Thompson killed himself, and while aware of that, I still read him and don't focus on that.

Truth is, everyone dies. We know the moment we enjoy an artist, especially those older than us, that they will no longer be around one day, but their work will be.

An artist who kills themself doesn't pervert the body of their work IMHO.

#106 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rev,

I will agree that medications themselves have side effects.

However, so often people don't use the medications properly. You can't mix them with alcohol or recreational drugs. The chemical reactions just don't work right. Depressions meds that are a good match for you, can be very beneficial for most people.

People smoke pot or drink and then say prescribed medications don't work. Go figure. Oftentimes people are looking for easy quick fixes without the work you have to put into it and then complain nothing is helping.

Also, drugs without some therapy by a qualified professional, are not always as beneficial.

Robin Williams had the resources to have access to anything out there.

Sure, some people just give up trying. I can't help but believe there's more to this than just depression and addiction.

Regardless, suicide is a terrible thing to put on the people you love.

#107 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:08 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Wow, some of these comments are unbelievable. A rarified, comedic genius commits suicide and people talk about him being a disgrace to his family. Are freaking kidding me?

My own kids are sad about his death, but they aren't angry with him. His influence was generational. They loved Jumanji, Mrs Doubtfire and Night at the Musuem. His voiceover in Aladdin was insanely brilliant. He went to Julliard (sp?) to become a dramatic actor, but couldn't break in. So he went into Stand Up comedy. His routine at the Roxy (video below) was manic. How can someone be so fast on their feet? This was before Mork & Mindy. He then comes full circle to become the dramatic actor that he desired.

What a huge, huge loss. There will never be another Robin Williams. RIP

www.youtube.com

Stand up routine starts about 3 min in

#108 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-12 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kanrei,

I'm not suggesting you hold such beliefs but I would be willing to guess there's a strong collation between having little regard for the Sanctity of Life and defending what Robin Williams did.

In other words, I would bet people who have no problems with abortion probably have no problems with what Robin Williams either.

I believe abortion is murder and I believe suicide is tragic.

#109 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not suggesting you hold such beliefs but I would be willing to guess there's a strong collation between having little regard for the Sanctity of Life and defending what Robin Williams did.

In other words, I would bet people who have no problems with abortion probably have no problems with what Robin Williams either.

I believe abortion is murder and I believe suicide is tragic.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:22 AM | Reply

Is there truly life if one is dead inside??

#110 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

Casey,

"My own kids are sad about his death, but they aren't angry with him."

Of course not. They're kids. They don't get it yet.

I said people who knew him will be feeling both grief and anger.

Not fans.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

I believe suicide is tragic.

No one will disagree with that statement.

Robin Williams has destroyed his life legacy. His body of work will be overshadowed by the fact he strangled himself.

His family and loved ones will not only live with the grief of his death, but the shame as well.

THIS statement, however, I take great exception to.He did not destroy his life's legacy. He did it no FAVOURS, to be sure, but he didn't destroy it.

And if his family feels SHAME over what he did, the shame the should feel is of themselves.

#112 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Of course not. They're kids. They don't get it yet.

I said people who knew him will be feeling both grief and anger.

Not fans.

Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:26 AM | Reply

Kids get more than we adults do because they have yet been corrupted by the moral decay of judgementalism.

#113 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 10:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

there's a strong collation between having little regard for the Sanctity of Life and defending what Robin Williams did.
In other words, I would bet people who have no problems with abortion probably have no problems with what Robin Williams either.

Well, you're wrong. While I am pro-choice, I am anti-abortion and nobody is defending what Robin Williams did. Not one person. We are expressing sympathy, empathy, and attempting understanding.

You are showing one of the stages of grief: anger. It is common. In time, you will have to choose if you are angry at Robin Williams for what he did or angry at life for depriving you of him from now on.

Often, and correctly as it is human nature, we tend to get very selfish when someone else dies. We focus on OUR loss and give very little concern to the quality of life of the one who left.

#114 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

And if his family feels SHAME over what he did, the shame the should feel is of themselves.

#112 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

They probably will. They will probably feel like in his estimation they weren't worth sticking around for...

Its a very selfish thing to do to your family.

#115 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-12 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rev,

"He did not destroy his life's legacy."

One of the skills of good actors is the ability to take the audience into an alternate world where the characters are believable.

Just like the problem with openly gay male actors playing serious romantic straight leading men. It can't happen. You can't quite take them serious.

It will be many, many years and probably the separation of generations before people will be able to see his work and get lost in the character.

#116 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

They probably will. They will probably feel like in his estimation they weren't worth sticking around for...

Its a very selfish thing to do to your family.

I can't speak for them. I CAN speak as a member of a family that went through it. And a family which is cursed with depression and its cousin, bi-polar. Maybe that makes us more pragmatic. When a member of our family decided to take their own life because of depression, we felt grief and we felt pain and we felt shock, but one thing NONE of us EVER felt was shame.

#117 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 10:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just like the problem with openly gay male actors playing serious romantic straight leading men. It can't happen. You can't quite take them serious.

Bill is exposing quite a few of his biases in this thread.

#118 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rev,

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying someone killing themselves doesn't deserve understanding and compassion.

What I am saying is someone taking their own life leaves behind a legacy of constant explanations and defending their actions.

#119 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

leaves behind a legacy of constant explanations and defending their actions

That is true of all the dead, regardless of how they died.

#120 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

He left the wife for the nanny. F him.

#121 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-12 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

-one thing NONE of us EVER felt was shame. (RevDarko)

Suicide is a cultural taboo in most places and a religious one in some places. But for all the emphasis on the joys of life and the admonitions against man taking life in the bible, there is no declaration of suicide as unforgivable as many people believe there is.

A few years ago one of my younger brothers pulled his van up on the beach near Corpus Christi on the Gulf of Mexico, got out and stuffed a hose in the exhaust, pulled it thru a back window, then climbed in and went to sleep with the motor running.

When I spoke to the detective he said Michael had been planning to go to Louisiana to help with the Katrina aftermath. But he said that his wardrobe of clothes fresh from the cleaners was hanging in his van, and almost every item was black. As he had kept himself from the family for several years, that was the only clue we had to his depression that probably led up to his suicide.

Some people may be ashamed or disgusted of the "weakness" they see in the act of suicide, but to me my brother was a person too sensitive for the harsh realities of the world around him, and as the Good Rev said, shame is no part of it.

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-12 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

From experience, let me try to explain what depression is.

There are thoughts that turn into cycles that seek explanations and reach conclusions. And all the explanations and all the conclusions are the exact same. That nobody on this planet can think the way you happen to think. They see a bright sunny day full of opportunity when, in the reality of the depressed, it's just another 24 hours of having to get up and around and play a role and a routine so that everyone around you is okay with their lives. So that those who care about you don't break down and cry in shock and horror of the misery that your brain is telling you is occurring, not just today but everyday. Cheer up, others say. Take pills, they chime. It can't be that bad. But it can be that bad, and it can even be worse than that. Ever been on anti-depressants? There will be moments of euphoria for a life that others seem to be living only to, eventually, wear off. And then you make adjustments. And readjustments. And all you want to do is feel better. In some way. In any way. Eventually, that way becomes to finally choose to want to die. The prescriptions haven't helped. Life is a mockery. There is an other side that does exist, and really, the spirit is saying, Okay, Let's Go.

Depression is a clinical disease. It is synapses not sparking in the brain that allows the cycle of thinking sending the thinker nowhere but down a rabbit hole. There are cures, and some of them are truly painful. In a lot of ways, suicide is a chosen cure to end this cycle. Suicide is a sad way to go.

#123 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2014-08-12 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

To paraphrase a quote I heard but can't recall from where:

Life is like a movie: sometimes the movie is amazing and you stay until the end. Other times the movie sucks and you walk out early.

#124 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 11:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

#88 You have no idea the mental anguish he went through. To pretend to is a fools errand and to pass judgement just shows how you really lack the empathy most adults possess.

The man gave his time, money and effort to help children with cancer, the list of causes he supported is significant and 180 degrees different from the selfish individual you so badly want him to be.

I fell sorry for you for having such a pathetic view of others.

#89 | Posted by 726 at 2014-0

apparently you have no experience in this sort of thing which is good...it is an extreme act of selfishness because you leave people behind feeling guilty, sad and afraid. However, the sorrow of the people left behind trumps any bad feelings about the position the dead has put his family and friends.

ps...it's not a form of selfishness that you have argued against with his giving and contributions which you may not have considered which is also okay.

#125 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

..it is an extreme act of selfishness because you leave people behind feeling guilty, sad and afraid.

It is equally selfish to insist someone stay alive simply because YOU want them to keep on living. That places your feelings above those of another and their suffering means less than your need to see them.

#126 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-12 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

ame is true of Hendrix, Joplin, Cobain, etc. Thing is, that doesn't stop me from listening to, enjoying, and celebrating their work. Hunter S Thompson killed himself, and while aware of that, I still read him and don't focus on that.

Truth is, everyone dies. We know the moment we enjoy an artist, especially those older than us, that they will no longer be around one day, but their work will be.

An artist who kills themself doesn't pervert the body of their work IMHO.

#106 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-0W

I would put your three in one group....THEN charley parker...chet baker...then actors....seymore hoffman...now rw

but NOTICE this list has few and I really don't think ANY so called "legitimate" musicians,....I use that word merely to avoid the use of "classical" music.....You MIGHT stretch things to include Mozart who died early....perhaps in large part because of boozing..playing billiards and CHASING WOMEN !!!

and you are right....chet baker and 'BIRD" parker can NEVER have their work preverted.....and all of these AND RW...the only way it's perverted is the sense of sadness as you watch and listen and wonder about the performances not going to be heard or seen

#127 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is equally selfish to insist someone stay alive simply because YOU want them to keep on living. That places your feelings above those of another and their suffering means less than your need to see them.

#126 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-0

disagree....maybe some people but surely a minority....what's the first and most often question asked other than why?

what could I have done and why didn't he ask for help?

certainly not something like..please don't
kill yourself...what would I DO THEN??

#128 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I KNOW it's not what I"m saying and pretty sure not what others are either..

#129 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather'd every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead.

Sometimes the pain is just too much to take.

RIP my Captain.

#130 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-12 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:


Having had to deal with depression since my MS DX I know a bit about the crushing pain. In my case it is situational depression which is quite understandable and I have avoided treatment but I have a fabulous family support structure who let me know that they don't love me for all the things I did for them when I was able but they love me for me and will continue to do so when I am unable to be there for them.

It helps to be able to look at your depression and determine a cause, with clinical depression there might be no cause. Going through life depressed and without even the knowledge of the reason for depression is a bleak existence. I can't imagine and would not dream of judging one who had to deal with it.

#131 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-12 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

This "when did you know?" scene with Robin Williams and Matt Damon is one of the best of his career:

www.youtube.com

#132 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-12 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

This may be too soon, but the "Death Quotes" from Patch Adams came to mind when I heard of Robin William's passing:

www.wingclips.com

RIP Robin.

#133 | Posted by bartimus at 2014-08-12 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

He left the wife for the nanny. F him.

#121 | Posted by 101Chairborne

He didn't leave his wife, she moved out of the house and in with one of her boyfriends.

www.headbutler.com

#134 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-12 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

goodbye funny man...you made millions laugh,
but you were a total actor through and through,
your serious roles in Poets and Good Will proved that...
you will be deeply missed...

#135 | Posted by earthmuse at 2014-08-12 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

apparently you have no experience in this sort of thing which is good...it is an extreme act of selfishness because you leave people behind feeling guilty, sad and afraid. However, the sorrow of the people left behind trumps any bad feelings about the position the dead has put his family and friends.
ps...it's not a form of selfishness that you have argued against with his giving and contributions which you may not have considered which is also okay.

#125 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-08-12 11:55 AM | FLAG:

I have more than had my experience with my mother who attempted suicide, so yes I do know. They were mentally ill. They were not in their right mind at the time.

To call their act selfish is childish.

They are not in their right mind and the only way they see as a way to stop their mental anguish is by dying.

You can preach your self righteous attitude, but until you come to the realization that a person that is depressed is suffering from an illness that the public will always view as 'just get over it and move on', you are wrong in calling it selfish.

Selfish is demanding a person suffer just to satisfy your need to have them around.

#136 | Posted by 726 at 2014-08-12 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You can preach your self righteous attitude, but until you come to the realization that a person that is depressed is suffering from an illness that the public will always view as 'just get over it and move on', you are wrong in calling it selfish.

While I agree with your sentiment, 726, Call me an optimist (odd for someone with diagnosed bi-polar), but I'd LIKE to think that the public won't ALWAYS think of it as a "get over it and move on" issue, though I know there's a long way to go before that happens.

#137 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 03:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

doin the old double clutch

#138 | Posted by booboo2 at 2014-08-12 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

doin the old double clutch

#139 | Posted by booboo2 at 2014-08-12 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

doin the old double clutch

#140 | Posted by booboo2 at 2014-08-12 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

hosted.ap.org

The pocket knife wounds to the wrist are not consistent with autoerotic asphyxiation.

#141 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-12 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#140 | POSTED BY BOOBOO2 AT 2014-08-12 04:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Considering this idiot joined today to spam a moronic 4chan meme about Williams... can we ban his ass?

#142 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-12 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

The pocket knife wounds to the wrist are not consistent with autoerotic asphyxiation.

#141 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Glad to hear that actually. But, it does sound just a wee bit suspicious.

A pocket knife that can't even cut and a belt? Really? The man was fairly wealthy. He couldn't scrounge up a sharp knife and a silk cord? It just doesn't sound very creative for such a creative person. It was obviously spur of the moment then.

#143 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-12 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"you are wrong in calling it selfish." - 726

While it is distorted thinking, depression is actually a kind of selfishness, it's the view that the world revolves around yourself.
www.psychologytoday.com

The best cure I know of for depression (which I get from time to time) is to get outside yourself and find hope, depression is the ultimate end of a fixed mindset mentality....

#144 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-12 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The best cure I know of for depression (which I get from time to time) is to get outside yourself and find hope, depression is the ultimate end of a fixed mindset mentality....

Depression is VERY different from clinical depression. Clinical depression is recognized as an actual biological issue. Neuroreceptors in the brain aren't working properly. It is not possible for someone to "get outside themselves and find hope". Medication is needed. Sadly, most medications have the potential, if the right medication and dosage for an individual is not found, to make the issue MUCH worse.

As for depression being a kind of selfishness believing the world revolves around one's self, many people with depression have the opposite thinking: not only does the world not revolve around them, the world, and EVERYONE in it,simply don't care at all about them.

#145 | Posted by RevDarko at 2014-08-12 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

: Actress Lauren Bacall has died today

#146 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-12 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

before the thread runs out...a must read....not written by.. but from a therapist friend........who always knows what to say..

this is a nice piece...

"Why funny people kill themselves"

www.cracked.com

#147 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-12 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rev,

"As for depression being a kind of selfishness"

I think a lot of depression is tied to self-pity, not selfishness.

#148 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2014-08-12 09:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Robin Williams - Weapons Of Self Destruction

www.youtube.com

#149 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-12 09:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's one funny performance, btw.

#150 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-12 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think a lot of depression is tied to self-pity, not selfishness.

#148 | Posted by BillJohnson

Suffering is direct result of attachment to desire and ignorance.

All beings experience suffering and pain at some point in their lives, including the inevitable sufferings of illness, aging, and death.

We can know the source of suffering.

There is a path leading to the cessation of suffering.

Perhaps he was in the wrong 12 step program. There is another 12 step program that can help with that.

#151 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-12 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"There is a path leading to the cessation of suffering."

And it's called the eight-fold path as taught by Siddhartha Gautama.

#152 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-12 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whenever suicide comes up, there's always eager talk of cowardice and selfishness, or a lack of courage or honor.
But I think, when it comes to suicide, concepts such as courage and honor, cowardice and selfishness, are about as relevant as the concept of "north" is to someone floating in deep space.
It may be natural and understandable to think about these concepts, but they don't apply to the world of a suicide in the same way they apply elsewhere.

#153 | Posted by TheTom at 2014-08-12 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The pocket knife wounds to the wrist are not consistent with autoerotic asphyxiation.

#141 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Glad to hear that actually. But, it does sound just a wee bit suspicious.
A pocket knife that can't even cut and a belt? Really? The man was fairly wealthy. He couldn't scrounge up a sharp knife and a silk cord? It just doesn't sound very creative for such a creative person. It was obviously spur of the moment then.

#143 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

I was hoping it would turn out to be autoerotic asphyxiation -- so that it could be an accident instead of intentional.

Regarding the pocket knife, I don't think the issue is that it wouldn't cut. I think the issue is that it is really, really difficult to muster the effort to cut yourself hard enough. (Remember Full Metal Jacket?) Hanging oneself can be done more slowly, in rounds, if one keeps one's feet on the floor. Hate to say it but someone close to me went out that way, too, using a nearby item, heels on the floor.

Disaster.

#154 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-13 01:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

The details released by the coroner's office are public record, although there has been much question about some media outlets' handling of those details. Knowing the details helps answer important questions of suicide vs. homocide and suicide vs. accident. Without the details that were released today it wasn't clear.

The most significant piece of information released today could actually be that Williams was clothed.

The fact that rigor mortis had set in also places the time of death 12-18 hours before he was found, or shortly after he was last seen alive at 10:30 pm.

I don't care too much about the details of why he was sleeping separate from his wife or why she didn't check in with him in the morning, but I imagine we'll hear plenty soon enough. I'm more interested in knowing that his death wasn't a murder staged to look like a suicide or if it was an accident.

Not that it's any of my business, except it's very, very public.

#155 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-13 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was a notorious case in Coronado, California a few years ago in which a woman was found hanging naked from second story balcony. Her death was ruled a suicide even though her hands were bound behind her back. In a controversial decision, the coroner ruled that she had staged her suicide to appear as if she had been murdered by someone in the very wealthy family of her recently estranged lover. The details of a death scene can extremely significant.

usatoday30.usatoday.com

#156 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-13 02:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

The self mutilation provides a means to FEEL something, common with depression.

If there is no suicide note then I am guessing it was auto-erotic asphyxiation and they just do not want to say so. It all fits when you think about his addiction issues and depression. What doesn't fit is suicide, not really buying that one.

Doesn't make sense about the wife. Seems odd not to even check on your husband in the morning before going out, especially with his recent history. After all, the assistant was concerned enough when s/he didn't hear from RW, enough to go there, only an hour after the wife left. If this behavior was concerning to the assistant then why not to the wife?

#157 | Posted by WPortGee at 2014-08-13 03:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

that is, self mutilation= marks on wrist (not actual attempts to kill oneself)

#158 | Posted by WPortGee at 2014-08-13 03:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am guessing it was auto-erotic asphyxiation

#157 | POSTED BY WPORTGEE

Well, the cops didn't define what they meant by "clothed, in a seated position" in their press conference (see 0:54 mark).

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I suppose there's an outside chance he was clothed in a crotchless garter/hose set with junk-in-hand and the cops just didn't mention it. Seems like a reach.

#159 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-13 04:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

From an article on David Carradine's death:

Is there a safe, proper way to perform autoerotic asphyxiation?

No. There is no doctor-approved way to strangle yourself while having sex or while ------------. Indeed, cutting off oxygen to the brain is never a good idea...

Autoerotic asphyxiation, or AEA, is typically performed in the following way: A man -- the vast majority of AEAers are male -- loops a belt or rope around his neck, attaches the other end to a door knob or pipe, and lowers himself into a controlled suspension. Sex or ------------ ensues. [emphasis added] The pressure from the belt cuts off the flow of blood through the veins in his neck, causing blood to congest in the brain. Oxygen levels drop and carbon dioxide levels increase, producing lightheadedness and, for some, intensifying erotic pleasure.

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I suppose it could be that Williams didn't get around to the ensuing sex or ------------. Maybe he hit the vagus nerve and blacked out suddenly before he took off his pants, presuming that's what clothed him.

Seems more likely his noticeable depression, addictions and cut wrist are the key indicators that this was indeed a suicide. Still, the belt on the door and the seated position -- a controlled suspension -- are presentations consistent with autoerotic asphyxiation. David Carradine's wife said he like to tie himself up to just to relax.

#160 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2014-08-13 05:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

"There is a path leading to the cessation of suffering."

And it's called the eight-fold path as taught by Siddhartha Gautama.

#152 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Nicely done.

Add the four Noble Truths and you have another 12 step program designed to end suffering. Alcoholism on the other hand is a medical problem that needs to be treated in rehab first. For a person like Robin Williams alcoholics anonymous is not anonymous at all. I can see how he might have thought there was no other way out.

#161 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-13 10:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hanging is such a slow and horrible way to go...how he must have hated himself to want to suffer so before he went.

#162 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-13 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

wow...has anyone else noticed the long string of post after post.....

and it's ALMOST like we're calmly giving opinions, research and conclusions......

is this the drudge reTORT ???

well done, folks

#163 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-13 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I apologize to every one, But I have seen too many people desperately trying to stay alive to accept anyone of---- themselves. Has it ever crossed my mind? Every ---- day. I'm still standing. I live for those who do not.

#164 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-13 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

When I heard about Robin Williams suicide I kept asking everyone, why would he use a belt and closet door? It made no sense.(I had a cousin who committed suicide by shooting himself. And I was so angry with him for not reaching out to me so I could help. Very selfish of me, but I loved him dearly) Not that suicide makes sense to most of us living. Then someone told me about Robins film..World's Greatest Dad. In reading about it, and other links that popped up. I am horrified even more to think that this might have been an horrible accident of auto erotic asphyxiation. So sorry for his family and how they will have to cope without him.

#165 | Posted by GeorgiaPeach at 2014-08-13 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

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