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Sunday, August 10, 2014

In some of her strongest criticism of President Barack Obama since leaving his administration as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton said the decision to keep the U.S. on the sidelines during the first phase of the Syrian uprising led to the rise of the Islamic State (ISIS). "The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad -- there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle -- the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled," she said. "Great nations need organizing principles, and 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle."

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" But she also suggested that she finds his approach to foreign policy overly cautious, and she made the case that America needs a leader who believes that the country, despite its various missteps, is an indispensable force for good"

Heaven help us. How many wars would a President Carlyle Clinton get us involved in?

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-10 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Obama foreign policy is "Sit back and wait"

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-08-10 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

and now of course it's too late, #1 & #2, is that your message?

#3 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-10 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bla bla bla.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-10 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Watch Democrats embrace this stance despite ridiculing any Republican who said anything remotely similar in the last 5 years. She's correct, of course...constant indecision is not a policy, it's a character flaw.

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-10 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Obama foreign policy is "Sit back and wait"
#2 | POSTED BY MYSTERYTOY

That is his domestic policy too.....

VA, Healthcare.gov, the border.... et al.

Then come out and blame someone, and be forced to do something.... if he waits long enough, something new will come to the radar and he won't have to make a decision.. just bury it under the fold.

Its what liberals call "intelligent" government.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-10 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tis better to take one's time than it is to drive headlong into a brick wall.

#7 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-10 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can you believe the guy blames the Intelligence community for IslamicState?
www.youtube.com

Of course this was on his way to play golf, and "get out of that suit for awhile".
abcnews.go.com

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-10 07:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 Took a page out of Dubya's playbook ehhhhhhhhhhh Ma'am.

#9 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-10 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its what liberals call "intelligent" government.

POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

"Progressives"

#10 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2014-08-10 08:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually Larry - Bush stopped playing golf once we had soldiers in harms way as he did not think it was right for him to be playing while soldiers were in Danger....Obama does not have the same problem.

In fact not only has he played more than any prior president....but he sees no problem in doing fund raisers while people were dying in Benghazi and the Ukraine (which Clinton signed a treaty with) were being attacked. Nothing stands between Obama, Moochele and gravy on the governments dime.

Soldiers be damned. (which is also why he had no issue lying to the relatives of those Benghazi dead telling them it was the Video..when he knew it was a terriorist attack all along.)

but I guess his stupidity and cowardice are Bushes fault as well.....

#11 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-10 11:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

www.washingtonpost.com but I know FACTS never will get between you and ideology....or you would not be a liberal

#12 | Posted by foshaffer at 2014-08-10 11:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#11

www.huffingtonpost.com

Bush Lied About Giving Up Golf: Video Proof

#13 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-10 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Actually Larry - Bush stopped playing golf once we had soldiers in harms way as he did not think it was right for him to be playing while soldiers were in Danger....Obama does not have the same problem.

You're right, Obama didn't put the soldiers in harms way in the first place and took many of them out of harm's way. To hold the healthy, stress-reducing practice of playing golf as something abhorrent for a president to do while in office must mean Eisenhower was the worst president of all time.

The amount of ignorance you spout is mind-numbing and unworthy of response.

#14 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-10 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

I think Bush and golf was a problem after "blah blah blah,now watch this drive" .

#15 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-10 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush stopped playing golf once we had soldiers in harms way as he did not think it was right for him to be playing while soldiers were in Danger....Obama does not have the same problem.

It's amazing that Bush quitting golf is held up as some sort of evidence that Bush was someone in touch with the lives he was wrecking in a war of choice.

Any sane individual IMO should see it as the offensive display of being disconnected that it was.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2014-08-11 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone knows that the more stress your job is the more important it is to do something relaxing to break up the day, this anti playing golf thing is just stupid. You want to criticize the President more power to you we are lucky to be from a country that not only allows but encourages it but at least pick something real to complain about and don´t just repeat what your favorite blond news reader says.

#17 | Posted by THomewood at 2014-08-11 03:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

To heck with Golf - how much time did Bush spend vacationing at the ranch?

Regardless of all the blah blah here about what President did what, the point is these guys are NEVER off duty. I am going to defend all Presidents on this.

Whether it is on the Golf Course or at the Ranch or wherever they may be. They get woke in the middle of the night and they are working no matter where they are. They don't get real time off at all. If Bush was splitting wood do you think he wasn't talking to someone about something? (Unless you think Rumsfeld and Cheney made all the decisions period...) Same for Obama on the links. Heaven forbid a guy try and relieve the stress and see some sunshine.

Can any of you imagine the stress they are under? I don't have any clue why anyone would want to be President today. Not only the stress of running the country and handling international crisis in this day and age but the media (and social media) scrutiny is unbelievable. Every little thing you do. I don't think they can fart in the oval office without it making the non-stop media feeds.

#18 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2014-08-11 09:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

I predicted this break from Obama by the Clinton's a while back and admitted it's going to be fun to watch her throw him under the bus. I just didn't think it would happen this fast.

#19 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-11 09:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

I predicted this break from Obama by the Clinton's a while back and admitted it's going to be fun to watch her throw him under the bus. I just didn't think it would happen this fast.

#19 | POSTED BY DALTON

The problem she has is that she was Sec of State for 4 years. Most of what's exploding now had its roots seeded during her tenure and even before that.

What's funny is that she's tearing a page right out of Obama's political playbook. Even though he's president he acts as if he's a Washington outsider looking in. She's doing the exact same thing here - pretending as if her time as Sec of State occurred in a vacuum completely untethered to events that are unfolding today.

It's both funny and interesting to me that she is now throwing Obama under the bus. Politically it seems counter-productive for her as it bolsters the GOP's chances of taking the Senate (political in-fighting between the Obamas and the Clintons can't be a good thing for the Dems as a party).

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-11 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Great nations need organizing principles, and 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle

At least she admits it would have been stupid to arm the rebels.

Neo-con Warhawk PNAC Hillary.

Vote anyone else in 2016

#21 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country

Herman

#22 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 09:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Political opportunism at it's slimy best. HC supported invading Iraq full-throatedly not b/c of some lazy neocon rationale (she's far too cynical a person to believe that messianic claptrap) but b/c, after 9/11 the political momentum and the psy-ops on a frightened US populace politically limited a more thought out US strategy towards Iraq under Saddam.
She joined the band-wagon.
There is lots of evidence to point out that the Syria crisis had been quickly subsumed under the banner of jihad long before the West decided to become active participants. Bandar and the Saudis and Turkey funded the opposition against Assad and the US was happy for that to occur.There is no evidence that, should a determined military campaign be conducted in Syria, we still would'nt be where we are today. Libya much ? And besides, who Would have emerged should Assad have been trumped ? Al-Bagdahadi ?
In general, what is it with these haranguing harridans buggering up US foreign policy everywhichway. HC, Power, Nuland, Rice (v2.0) et al. Putin is tough ? Yeah b/c he does'nt overextend himself nor is deluded with this belief that everyone wants to be just like Russians. The lot of 'em have initiated costly US foreign policy pet projects on supposedly benighted peoples the world over only to be surprised that non-US actors whom live in those regions don't quite agree. BO, a feckless professor type way in over his head, surrounded himself with tenured faculty types, testosteroned by the fact that they got Bin Laden. The NSC and State are fractured into various camps advocating different policies. The DOD now assesses that IS is the most capable mil force outside of Israel in the ME.
The truth is that much of what has swept through the Sham and Levant was as a result of the USG decision to weaken Iran, first by GW then Obama. The Yazidis are just collateral damage.

#23 | Posted by tunde at 2014-08-11 10:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jeffj,
As you pointed out-everything went to rat ----- under her State watch (though she did inherit an arse of a job) . She'd not want people to remember that.

#24 | Posted by tunde at 2014-08-11 10:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-11 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag

Jeff I considered that line of thinking but, came to the conclusion that Hillary will simply say that "I wasn't president and the commander in chief sets policy. I merely try to implement it no matter how bad that policy is." The Cliton's have never forgiven Obama for labeling Bill a racist from 2008. They will smear Obama and his policies both economic and foreign. Remember when Hillary told Wall Street that they shouldn't be demonized?

#25 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-11 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

Failed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is just venting gas. How did the fighting force the US "shaped" in Iraq do against ISIS? Oh, that's right. They dropped their weapons and ran like hell and left all sorts of goodies behind for ISIS. How are the formerly US allied rebels in Libya doing today? Oh, that's right they're spreading misery all over Libya with weapons we gave them.

What kind of idiot would you have to be to believe that we could "shape" an effective fighting force in Syria that wouldn't be infiltrated and eventually co-opted by jihadists? It would be next to impossible to do even if we went about it honestly. But when you factor in what happened in Libya where people like Clinton were lying about what kind of people were arming, it becomes impossible. "Oh we vetted them and they're good guys". Yeah, no, you lied.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that we could mold anyone else to beat ISIS for us. Its a childish notion.

#26 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-11 10:10 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Anytime you have combat, you will have bad groups sending their people for training. The US military is being used right now by street gangs to train their soldiers.

usmilitary.about.com

#27 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well ....

She just lost my vote. However, to be perfectly honest, I never would have voted for her in the primaries and would have only voted for her in the general because I would be voting against the republican. I think that the only chance Clinton has of winning the democratic nomination is if no credible democratic candidate runs.

#28 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2014-08-11 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"if no credible democratic candidate runs."

Not to worry, there is no such thing.

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2014-08-11 10:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Assad is no saint, but he supports religious minorities, and Syria has been known as a place where Christian minorities in particular are accepted.

I think her position that we could have engineered the makeup of the Syrian Opposition to marginalize ISIS is about as believable as "Jack and the Beanstalk."

Had we given no support to the Syrian rebels, the civil war would have ended sooner, and Assad would be in control of more of Syria, and ISIS less.

#30 | Posted by aspendougy at 2014-08-11 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

George W Bush led to ISIS.

Everything after 2003 is just cleaning up the biggest mistake in american history.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-11 06:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hillary is a weasel. A self important, ambitious weasel.

Bernie Sanders '16: Because we Dems deserve something other than a rightwinger as our nominee.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-11 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Hillary is a weasel. A self important, ambitious weasel.

Bernie Sanders '16: Because we Dems deserve something other than a rightwinger as our nominee.

#32 | Posted by moder8

Agreed and she's crawled all the way up inside israel's ass. And i agree with most everything sanders says, but people need to realize he's COMPLETELY UNELECTABLE.

He may be right, but he has zero charisma, he's 73 years old, and comes across as a old grouch.

Put your hopes into elizabeth warren.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-11 06:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"He may be right, but he has zero charisma, he's 73 years old, and comes across as a old grouch.

Put your hopes into elizabeth warren."

I wouldn't put my hope into any of the Hillary alternatives. The system is rigged by the two party dictatorship. That being said, I'll register Democrat to vote against Hillary in the primary if there is any credible challenger.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-11 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'd vote Bernie.
Unless Cynthia McKinney runs.
I would have preferred hillzilla over Barack. Not now though. We need change. Any change. Something is broke. We need to make like Fonzi and hit the system.

#35 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-11 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

And so it starts.

#36 | Posted by fresno500 at 2014-08-12 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

The failed attack on Syria has morphed into an attack on the Ukraine. At issue is the ability of Iran and Russia to control the supply of oil and gas to the EU. Iran's (& Qatar) connection to the EU is through Syria.

The Obama administration is going to do whatever it thinks is necessary to stop further EU-Russia economic integration and to preserve the petrodollar system. That system originated in 1974 when President Richard Nixon persuaded OPEC members to denominate their oil exclusively in dollars, and to recycle their surplus oil proceeds into U.S. Treasuries. The arrangement turned out to be a huge windfall for the US, which rakes in more than $1 billion per day via the process. This, in turn, allows the US to over-consume and run hefty deficits.

World trade is now a game in which the US produces dollars and the rest of the world produces things that dollars can buy.

The petrodollar system helps to maintain the dollar's monopoly pricing which, in turn, sustains the dollar as the world's reserve currency. It creates excessive demand for dollars which allows the Fed to expand the nation's credit by dramatically reducing the cost of financing. If oil and natural gas were no longer denominated in USDs, the value of the dollar would fall sharply, the bond market would collapse, and the US economy would slip into a long-term slump.

This is one of the reasons why the US invaded Iraq shortly after Saddam had switched over to the euro; because it considers any challenge to the petrodollar looting scam as a direct threat to US national security.

Currently, over 75% of payments in Russia-China trade settlements are made in US dollars. The attack on the petrodollar recycling system is one of many asymmetrical strategies Moscow is presently employing to discourage US aggression, to defend its sovereignty, and to promote a multi-polar world order where the rule of law prevails. Moscow has persuaded China and Iran to drop the dollar in their bilateral dealings, and they have found that other trading partners are eager to do the same.

It's clear that Washington's aggression in Ukraine has focused Moscow's attention on retaliation. But rather than confront the US militarily, as Obama and Co. would prefer, Putin is taking aim at the vulnerabilities within the system.

To stop the war, you need to terminate its driving forces. At this stage, the war unfolds mainly in the planes of economic, public relations and politics. All the power of US economic superiority is based on the financial pyramid of debt, and this has gone long beyond sustainability.

I'll put my money on Russia. (Mike Whitney)

#37 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-12 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#37 | POSTED BY NUTCASE

OMG!! Quick Rcade.... delete this post!! Somebody might read it..and, and

understand what's really going on.

#38 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-12 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

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