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Sunday, August 10, 2014

Max Hastings, Daily Mail: Let us be in no doubt: We are witnessing a regional upheaval of unparalleled proportions. There are no good options for the West, and Obama is merely striving to adopt the least bad one. The rise of the Islamic State, with its conquest of great swaths of Syria and Iraq in a matter of months, is a reverberation from all the other shocks that have recently befallen the Middle East: the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the 2011 Arab Spring, the Syrian civil war.

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The fact is that Western follies since 2001 have contributed mightily to unleashing forces we cannot control, demented hordes who are killing more people than the dictators did.

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Never been a fan of us being the "cop" for the world. I felt that once we had screwed up Iraq we should stick around and fix it. However, getting involved in this in any significant way would be a mistake. This is a problem for Saudi Arabia and others. We can sell them all the guns, planes, etc. they want. But it needs to be their problem.

We have plenty of oil, natural gas, coal, etc. here and in other places around the world. I cannot see any national interest in us getting involved.

If worried about terrorists, we ramp up intelligence, commando and drone strikes.

#1 | Posted by sawdust at 2014-08-09 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I agree SawDust, not much we can do right now. It has deteriorated into a no-win situation.

The question though, is what to do long-term? IMO, it isn't to hunker down and let the middle east goto hell in a handbasket. Perhaps even begin reaching into other parts of the world. ISIS is pretty clear they want this thing to go global.

That should rock your boat...
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When do you make a stand? Because once it becomes of national interest, we have already lost from the POV of advantage. Our actions should dictate things in their national interest.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-09 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are correct in that we have plenty of oil, natural gas, coal etc. but unfortunately those resources are treated as commodities and not as nationally owned. Because of that if the oil in the middle east stops flowing the prices of oil, natural gas, and coal will skyrocket for us as well. Unless we are ready to nationalize those industries, or get away from fossil fuels, we need the middle east to stay stable. I hate that we have to play police officer but I don't see any choice without huge economic consequences.

#3 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-08-09 01:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

" Unless we are ready to nationalize those industries, or get away from fossil fuels, we need the middle east to stay stable."

The only solution is significantly reduced fossil fuel consumption. But neither politicians nor the public will stand for ending their god-given right to burn up finite, depleted resources.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-09 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
--Martin Niemoller

#5 | Posted by ichiro at 2014-08-09 07:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Never been a fan of us being the "cop" for the world.
#1 | Posted by sawdust

On the other hand, we're not willing to accept anybody else being the cop, either.

#6 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-10 09:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by schmanch

We, as a nation, prioritize private wealth above the general welfare our Constitution is supposed to "promote". So "our" natural resources aren't ours. Privatize the profits and socialize the losses. Long-term, it's a prescription for disaster.

#7 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-10 09:31 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Well Obama helped start the Arab spring.

#8 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-10 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well Obama helped start the Arab spring.
#8 | POSTED BY TMASTER

He did? How so? Oh wait, you're not going to assign Twitter's success to Obama (like so many on the Right enjoy doing with Al Gore and the internets), are you

#9 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-10 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I thought you knew: everything bad that's happened since 1/21/09 is "Obama's Fault"!

#10 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-10 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The horrific pattern of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge following our exit from Vietnam is repeating itself. These organizations were characterized as "communist" by our mass media, but the description is wrong. They were built on hatred of the United States and had no other ideology.

#11 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-11 07:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Liberalism is Radical Islam's best friend

#12 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-11 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Liberalism is Radical Islam's best friend

#12 | Posted by CaseyJones at 2014-08-11 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then what passes for "conservatism" in the US must be its sugar daddy.

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-11 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 4

#12 - Thank goodness you came along and really added to the discussion. It's so enlightening to know that in your mind liberal = bad. Thanks!

#14 | Posted by schmanch at 2014-08-11 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

The consequence of Washington's reckless and irresponsible political and military interventions in Iraq, Libya, and Syria has been to unleash evil. The various sects that lived in peace under the rule of Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, and Assad are butchering one another, and a new group, ISIS, is in the process of creating a new state out of parts of Iraq and Syria.

The turmoil brought into the Middle East by the Bush and Obama regimes has meant death and displacement for millions and untold future deaths. As I write 40,000 Iraqis are stranded on a mountain top without water awaiting death at the hands of ISIS, a creation of US meddling.

The reality in the Middle East stands in vast contradiction to the stage managed landing of George W. Bush on the US aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln where Bush declared "Mission Accomplished" on May 1, 2003. The mission that Washington accomplished was to wreck the Middle East and the lives of millions of people and to destroy America's reputation in the process. Thanks to the demonic neoconservative Bush regime, today America is regarded by the rest of the world as the greatest threat to world peace.

The Clinton regime's attack on Serbia set the pattern. Bush upped the ante with Washington's naked aggression against Afghanistan, which Washington clothed in Orwellian language–"Operation Enduring Freedom."
Washington brought ruin, not freedom, to Afghanistan. After 13 years of blowing up the country, Washington is now withdrawing, the "superpower" having been defeated by a few thousand lightly armed Taliban, but leaving a wasteland behind for which Washington will accept no responsibility.

Do you believe that Washington's lies and propaganda about the Malaysian airliner and Ukraine are worth risking life on earth? Who is so gullible that he cannot recognize that Washington's lies about Ukraine are like Washington's lies about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, Iranian nukes, and Assad's use of chemical weapons?

Do you think that the neoconservative influence that prevails in Washington, regardless of the political party in office, is too dangerous to be tolerated? (Paul Craig Roberts)

#15 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-11 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

the middle east has simply held up a giant mirror to the west's excessive hubris.

what is going on cannot even be compared to the upheaval in the rest of the world during ww1 and ww2.

tens of millions were killed in europe and russia alone.

and in the lifespans of people who are still alive, to be sure.

and as long as we support the criminal state of israel in the midst of it all, it will continue to be our problem.

israel got us roped in pretty good, huh?

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-11 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you had a dream where you were intentionally stepping on a bear trap over and over, would you call it a nightmare? I would think its disturbing and probably my well of telling myself to cease a destructive behavior. But I reserve the word "nightmare" for dreams in which I'm not proactively the cause of the bad things that are happening to me.

We can't "fix" the Middle East. But we can wake up from the "nightmare" any time we want by scaling back our involvement.

#17 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-11 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Killing people isn't the answer.

#18 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-11 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

"If you had a dream where you were intentionally stepping on a bear trap over and over, would you call it a nightmare? "

depends on whether i felt the pain or not...

the "bear trap" scenario you pose is only as nightmarish as the pain it inflicts.

the wars overseas are not painful to the average us citizen, and that is why they continue with only a smattering of protest.

#19 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-11 01:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

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