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Mary's Gourmet Diner in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, has announced it will no longer offer occasional discounts to people who pray before eating, citing the threat of legal action. On Wednesday, the restaurant posted a handwritten notice in its front window stating that it must "protect your freedom from religion in a public place." "It is illegal and we are being threatened by lawsuit," the note goes on to say, offering apology for "any offense this discount has incurred."

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The co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation said that the group did not threaten to sue the restaurant, but that it has mounted and won lawsuits in other similar situations. A lawsuit against the restaurant "would not have been off the table," said Annie Laurie Gaylor, the co-president and co-founder of the foundation.

"People who are atheists don't pray," Gaylor said, adding that it is illegal to "charge an atheist more than a Christian."

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Maybe they can have an AR-15 Appreciation Day to make up for it.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2014-08-07 10:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wish someone would sue over the senior discount. Why should old folks get a break?

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-08-07 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wish someone would sue over the senior discount. Why should old folks get a break?

Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-08-07 10:54 PM | Reply

Because they are the reason for our country's progress

#3 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-07 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"protect your freedom from religion in a public place."

in some circles some would call this "Gods Will".

"I wish someone would sue over the senior discount"

in some circles some would call this "Not Gods Will".

But I like how you defer to wishing "someone" other than yourself should do this. it speaks volumes about your own "conviction".

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2014-08-08 12:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

They could have just changed the policy a bit to be more inclusive.

Offer the discount to anyone who takes a moment before eating to verbally acknowledge that they are fortunate to have a meal to eat and this can include references to any faith but doesn't have to.

Everyone gets the same discount for approximating the same meaningless gesture. Problem solved.

#5 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-08 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Who the heck would threaten a lawsuit for that?
I guess there is a new nomination for d-bag of the year.

#6 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-08 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

she had said in an interview that the discount was never meant to promote any particular religion – or lack of religion – but was meant to show appreciation for people who had what she called "an attitude of gratitude."

The traditional center-left American way of showing an attitude of gratitude is to leave a tip.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-08 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Everyone gets the same discount for approximating the same meaningless gesture. Problem solved.

Studies have shown that a before meal ritual be it a prayer or moment of silence or just a general we are thankful for this meal can make the food taste better. So a pre-dinner ritual is not meaningless if it makes you enjoy the meal more.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-08 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"citing the threat of legal action"

From Jerks.

#9 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-08 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Looks like using religion as a gimmick to drum up business came with some unintended consequences.

What a surprise.

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#10 | Posted by Dave at 2014-08-08 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Studies have shown that a before meal ritual be it a prayer or moment of silence or just a general we are thankful for this meal can make the food taste better. So a pre-dinner ritual is not meaningless if it makes you enjoy the meal more.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-08 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no idea how anyone could actually measure such a thing and I would bet that if you actually look at the methodology they used, it doesn't really measure what they claim it does (which is common these days).

But I suppose if people enjoy such rituals then they do add something to the overall experience. Like being served by a waitress with a nice ass.

#11 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-08 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Why should old folks get a break?"

#2 | Posted by mysterytoy

Yeah, bunch of losers. Take away Social Security too, while you're at it.

#12 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-08-08 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Looks like using religion as a gimmick to drum up business came with some unintended consequences.
What a surprise.
.

#10 | POSTED BY DAVE AT 2014-08-08 02:55 PM | FLAG:

Seems more to me like a customer, instead of taking a quiet nicety as just that made a big deal, it attracted the rabid, insane faction of Atheists WHO EVEN ADMITTED THEY MIGHT HAVE SUED, and now it's ruined for everyone.

Those people are ------. Sure, if the people who got the discount had STFU, like others apparently have for years, this never would have become an issue; but it's like the old door locking thing.

#13 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-08 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

" it attracted the rabid, insane faction of Atheists WHO EVEN ADMITTED THEY MIGHT HAVE SUED, and now it's ruined for everyone."

Hahahaha.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-08 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sully I should have linked the study so you could make your own judgement about the study.

dash.harvard.edu

I report you deride.

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2014-08-08 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yes, a "Senior Citizen" discount is exactly as "discriminatory". So is a police, armed forces or other discount. Ladies' Night at a bar is just as bad. So are discounts for people wearing green on st. PAtty's day.

In that none of them are actually a problem at all, but once again, the loud vocal rabid unintelligent subset of atheists can only scream and howl until everyone loses "equally".

#16 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-08 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

he loud vocal rabid unintelligent subset of atheists can only scream and howl until everyone loses "equally".

#16 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-08 04:06 PM | Reply | Flag:Loses all out of proportion

#17 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-08 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

And this is what I've always thought about the Journolist:

If you cannot allow others the courtesy of "off the record" statements, you don't get to have them either; so that "defense" just does not apply.

At the end of they day, they simply thought they'd never get caught. they were really that stupid and arrogant. They really thought they completely controlled the press.

#18 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-08 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

On Wednesday, the restaurant posted a handwritten notice in its front window stating that it must "protect your freedom from religion in a public place." "It is illegal and we are being threatened by lawsuit," the note goes on to say, offering apology for "any offense this discount has incurred."

As much as I think it was wrong for the restaurant to offer such a discount, I also think it's wrong to force them to drop it by litigation. This restaurant is not a "public space", they are a private business. They had as much right to offer the discount as I had the right to NOT eat there.

#19 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-08 05:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Doh! wrong thread

#20 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-08 05:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I can't see how it's illegal. Home depot has a 'Veteran's discount'. Lots of places have discounts for selected groups. I get discounts because of membership in a professional organization (not open to the public).

#21 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-08 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW,
There is no such thing as freedom from religion, only freedom OF religion.

#22 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-08 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

,There is no such thing as freedom from religion, only freedom OF religion.
#22 | Posted by Huguenot

I've heard people like you make this claim, but I've never heard an explanation of what those words are supposed to mean.

If I'm not free from religion, it seems like I could be compelled to pray. Or face legal sanction because of a religious transgression. This is certainly not the case.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-08 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is certainly not the case.

#23 | Posted by snoofy

I think people like him would like that to be the case.

#24 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-08 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Next thing you know they will sue the power company because the telephone poles look like a cross

#25 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-08-08 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most power lines should be underground anyway. Electricity is the devils work.

#26 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-08 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I like how people like hide beyond their forcing religion onto others on the guise of religious freedom.

#27 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-08-08 07:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only ones being coerced are the restaurant owners doofus.

#28 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-08 09:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only ones being coerced are the restaurant owners doofus.
#28 | Posted by Huguenot

Do you think they'll be able to forgive?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-08 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW,
There is no such thing as freedom from religion, only freedom OF religion.

#22 | POSTED BY HUGUENOT AT 2014-08-08 06:22 PM | FLAG:

It's the other way around.

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2014-08-09 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one is forcing people to pray. Likewise, no one is forcing people NOT to pray. We have freedom of religion.

This is a shame.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-10 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

No one is forcing people to pray. Likewise, no one is forcing people NOT to pray. We have freedom of religion.

This is a shame.

Posted by boaz at 2014-08-10 09:34 AM | Reply

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-10 09:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

No one is forcing people to pray. Likewise, no one is forcing people NOT to pray. We have freedom of religion.

This is a shame.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-10 09:34 AM | Reply

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr

I suspect Boaz believes people should be forced to pray. Are you agreeing with that, Larry?

#33 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-11 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

Boaz's post was poorly worded as it does say it is a shame people are not forced to pray and that we have religious freedom, but his intent is obvious.

#34 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

I suspect Boaz believes people should be forced to pray. Are you agreeing with that, Larry?

#33 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

How do you draw that conclusion?

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-11 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

How do you draw that conclusion?

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-11 11:59 AM | Reply

What JeffJ said

#36 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-11 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now the real question would be "are people praying for the discount or from a sincere desire to worship?" Praying for the discount is akin to wearing your faith on your sleeve.

#37 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now the real question would be "are people praying for the discount or from a sincere desire to worship?" Praying for the discount is akin to wearing your faith on your sleeve.

Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-11 12:00 PM | Reply

With restaurant prices the way they are. I'd be praying for ANY discount.

#38 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-11 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

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