Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, August 05, 2014

Security researchers announced Friday that they have found new evidence to bolster claims from the National Security Agency that terrorists have altered their countermeasures in the wake of the Edward Snowden revelations. A report from the intelligence firm Recorded Future concludes that "it's pretty clear" that there is an "increased pace of innovation in encryption technology by Al-Qaeda post Snowden." The encryption, the report added, "is based on best practice, off the shelf, algorithms."

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Doing everything in their power to slime Edward Snowden. Let's face it. They hate their illegal spying being exposed.

#1 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-05 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 7

This could dampen our efforts to kill brown folk.

#2 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-05 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

if we take this further--

actually there would be no ed snowden if there was nothing to leak.

the more there is to leak, there more of a chance it will be leaked.

the more chance of it being leaked, the more chance that it will help our enemies.

so, if you want to blame anyone, blame the nsa.

#3 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-05 03:51 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Snowden Leaks Led Al Qaeda to Better Encryption

And the government throwing away the entire concept of privacy led to the snowden leaks. Don't blame the guy who was trying to do the right thing.

The war on terror is 99% hype anyway.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-05 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Snowden leaks have led anybody who's paying attention and values a right to privacy to use better encryption.

I suppose some are of the opinion that only the American military and the American government should have privacy. Everything else is to be monitored by Big Brother. New American Century indeed.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-05 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad this hasn't led to better encryption practices in America.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-05 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too bad this hasn't led to better encryption practices in America.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy

Even if it did, the gov would just command the encryption developers to build backdoors in the software.

All it has led to is an awareness that the gov isn't going to let anyone or anything prevent them from having total access to anything they want.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2014-08-05 04:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

All it has led to is an awareness that the gov isn't going to let anyone or anything prevent them from having total access to anything they want.
#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

That's right. The government owns (pwns, even) the network. This did not happen by accident.

Where's Corky to tell me how much safer I am with Big Brother watching out for me?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-05 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're safer now that Big Eddie is watching over you. Well, except for better encryption for AQ, the Chinese able to better protect their servers (you know, the ones they use against US), and Vlad has your GPS.

So don't worry. Be happy. Moscow, Beijing, and AQ are.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-05 05:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

#9 | POSTED BY CORKY

We should be happy there are consequences to bad behavior even when bad behavior is conducted in our name and for our safety.

How does it go? Those willing to sacrifice privacy for security deserve neither privacy nor security. Me thinks that's right.

U.S. ----ed up. We get to pay for that ---- up. Maybe U.S. government won't ---- up next time, putting its own citizens in danger. You blame Snowden for the heightened danger we now experience? It's a danger that was inevitable and one that was being defended against by using unethical means.

I don't want to call you a BIG BROTHER apologist, CORK, but Orwell would not be impressed.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-05 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

You're safer now that Big Eddie is watching over you. Well, except for better encryption for AQ, the Chinese able to better protect their servers (you know, the ones they use against US), and Vlad has your GPS.

So don't worry. Be happy. Moscow, Beijing, and AQ are.

Posted by Corky at 2014-08-05 05:48 PM | Reply

The 4th Amendment is supposed to be still in effect. I expect Obama to adhere to it.

#11 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-05 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

So don't worry. Be happy. Moscow, Beijing, and AQ are.
#9 | Posted by Corky

Your ongoing inability to engage in a serious discussion about state sanctioned spying comes as no surprise.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-05 06:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

I love all the folks these days who either are kids just now discovering, "The Man", or are oldsters who didn't believe us when we discovered him in the '60's and are now radicalized converts trying to evangelize everyone else.

We've known about Project Ajax since that time, about the military-industrial complex since Ike, and about the joy of some rwingers when JFK, RFK, and MLK were shot down in cold blood a few years apart when I was a teen.

We've known about the collusion of Big Bidness 1 Percenters and government subverting the rights of the average citizen forever... FDR taming them somewhat, as did JFK and LBJ... and about Ronald Ray-Gun ZAP! making the GOP their Party.

So, please forgive me for not wetting myself every other day over this fantastic "new" understanding some folks have.

Comparatively speaking, as that is all we can do in the real world of the alternatives we have, I have little empathy for thumb-sucking crybabies who whine about the candidates they have to choose from (because they are not willing to go out and do the hard werk of grooming better ones) or the fact that government will ALWAYS overreach if you let them, no matter who is in charge.

One party has always been better in handling these systemic problems than the other, if far from perfect, so the idea that we should make "the parties the same" in this or many other examples, is merely being a fool for a meme created by the GOP to spread apathy and dissolution.

If you think that Mitt Romney and the GOP would have reacted anything but much worse to these problems, if not celebrated in helping create them... then I have some swamp land down here in FL in which you might be interested.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-05 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#13

Your ongoing inability to engage in a serious discussion about state sanctioned spying comes as no surprise.

One party has always been better in handling these systemic problems than the other

By systemic problems, do you mean spying? As in, there's a problem with the government spying? Do tell.

I thought the problem was not the spying; that keeps us safe. The problem is that Snowden revealed the government is spying on everyone which tipped off the people we are spying on.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-05 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even if it did, the gov would just command the encryption developers to build backdoors in the software.

Are you saying Nothing Can Be Done?

I am sorry... I don't believe that.

The IT industry would correct itself.

I believe if we all took privacy seriously and encrypted all of our communications and our laptops and hard drives, etc. the IT Industry (and our elected Representatives) would rise to the challenge and we could hold them more accountable to our expectations of privacy and we would all be better off.

Also, then it would make snooping thru our messages more like looking for a needle in a haystack. Again.

But, then again, I always was a bit of a dreamer.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-05 06:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#13 | Posted by Corky at

What a lame argument, yes the Government in the past was very willing to
spy and even kill American citizens, So I guess it is OK now since it happened also in the past?

It has been shown quite well now that both parties are fully willing to trample on peoples right to privacy and freedom, for you to say one now is better then the other on this shows you have not been paying attention
to the past several years of government spying revelations.
but I am not surprised you a very willing to ignore a whole lot dirt when it is accompanied with the word Democrat attached to it.

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-05 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

If these are "off the shelf algorithms" as the post states, then I would assume the NSA has the backdoor key.

I demand NSA propaganda to be believable.

#17 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2014-08-05 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

So don't worry. Be happy. Moscow, Beijing, and AQ are.
#9 | Posted by Corky

also if encryption is right now basically useless then AQ and the rest encrypting all their messages is like shining a spotlight on themselves every time they send a message with a big sign that says, "Hey, look at me! I have something to hide!"

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-05 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Carlyle Clinton loves the NSA.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-05 07:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

It was Sir Edward Snowden's disclosures that led American citizens and patriots to become aware that they are oddly the subject of spying by their own government, and might wish to act and improve encryption through project Tor etc.

American citizens were attacked on 9-11 by known connected government elites from Saudi Arabia and yet average Americans have become the main targets of our own government. Americans need to think about this.

#20 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-05 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

- So I guess it is OK now since it happened also in the past?

If that is what you got from what I said, you need a bib.

www.neatoshop.com

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-05 08:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#19

Pony needs a new trick.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-05 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hope that treasonous swine gets the Georgi Markov treatment.

#23 | Posted by willowby at 2014-08-05 09:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

If true, is this aiding and abetting the enemy? Radical Islam is our enemy no matter what the administration or the MSM says.

#24 | Posted by Donald at 2014-08-05 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#21 | Posted by Corky

Actually Corky I do not think your rambling had much of a point at all
except Vote Dem.
You talked about past Government misbehavior then dismiss it present
misbehavior I think reasonable person would draw up to my conclusion
of what you must be saying then.
What you would truly expect since you know of Government spying and murder of U.S. Citizens of the past, that you would want to be ever vigilance against that behavior in the present time, but you dismiss this behavior and it seems you are even favor it.
Because it is being done by a Democrat President and appointed officials.
You have learned nothing except how to cheer on a party that has sold it soul years ago to the 1 percent

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2014-08-06 12:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 4

Party line voting sucks. I used to do it thinking I done right. You rarely get what You thought You would be getting.

#26 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 01:13 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#25

Ok, perhaps you need a raincoat instead of a bib. Or a reading comprehension class.

What I said was everyone already knows the problems, has known them for a long time, and whimpering will not help solve them.

Contribute to the efforts to get money out of politics, to groom more progressive candidates, and to reign in overreaching agencies, which btw, the GOP is much less interested in accomplishing.

And yes, vote for Dems in national elections because, for the next few elections at least, the President will be either a Dem or a Republican.

Because one of those is definitely worse for America than the other.

If you don't know which is which, then you have a poor understanding of the history of which I spoke.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

If your justification for spying on US citizens is fear of Russia china and al queda turrism you are an idiot living in fear who does not deserve to vote.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2014-08-06 07:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

I saw this morning that there are new leaks coming out and the government is scrambling to try and find where they are coming from. They have already ruled out Snowden for the newest rounds of leaks.

#29 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 09:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Corky's desperation is more evident in this thread than it has ever been. First he tries the "If you don't hate Snowden you're a terrurist" nonsense. When everyone laughs at that he tries "Pfft. You just found out about this? Its old news! And the best way to handle it is not to talk about it. Take it from the ole expert!"

Absurd doens't even begin to describe..... Sure, educating the voting public about their rights being abused can't help. Silence will fix this. Just brilliant.

#30 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Party line voting sucks. I used to do it thinking I done right. You rarely get what You thought You would be getting."

So vote for Nader (or similar) and see what that gets you. Hint: It will get you another Republican President and the SC appointees he/she makes. Then we will all live with those appointments for the appointees lifetime. Thanks.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-06 09:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I love all the folks these days who either are kids just now discovering, "The Man", or are oldsters who didn't believe us when we discovered him in the '60's and are now radicalized converts trying to evangelize everyone else."Corky

This line cracked me up as if his self importance is so great that he had any role in the 60's. He get's more delusional by the day.

#32 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 09:43 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

"It was Sir Edward Snowden's disclosures that led American citizens and patriots to become aware that they are oddly the subject of spying by their own government, and might wish to act and improve encryption through project Tor etc. "

Yeah, none of us suspected before he revealed state secrets and endangered lives. Riiight!

#33 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-06 10:21 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Danni, you don't care about endangered lives. You care b/c it embarrassed Obama after he campaigned on stopping all of the spying stuff. You championed Bradley Manning and he actually leaked people's names and conversations between diplomats. He leaked what civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq had done to help the US and leaked their names and what they did. You loved it then. Snowden hasn't leaked anything close to what Manning gave away. So spare us with your faux outrage.

#34 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

- Silence will fix this.

Sully's Strawman Factory in full production mode. You can find it out on Route 89, just behind the abandoned Walmart.

- he had any role in the 60's.

Millions of us took to the street in protest of the war. We didn't sit at home and whine about our choices.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and they carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's going down

Buffalo Springfield - For What It's Worth Lyrics

#36 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

All of you people pretending that it's excusable al-Qaeda was taught to fight smarter by Eddie Snowden.

Sick.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Snowden hasn't leaked anything close to what Manning gave away. So spare us with your faux outrage.

#34 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag

Making it all the more ironic when Eddie finally occupies a cell next to Boy George.

#38 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sick.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:

It is what it is at this point. I'm just pointing out that some here that support Obama thought Manning was a hero for leaking actual names of people that helped our troops. Revealed specific conversations between diplomats and now claims they are worried people's lives. Even Obama said that what ever spying on Americans was being done he would put a stop to it. He ran part of his campaign on the idea that we had to sacrifice freedoms for a little security were providing a false choice.

#39 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie and his supporters are still sick. More than that, sick and nasty. Young Master Snowden really will end up getting someone killed eventually. That will be an interesting day on the Drudge Retort.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Millions of us took to the street in protest of the war. We didn't sit at home and whine about our choices."

That's not quite the same as shilling for the DNC, is it?

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Every news report about AQ alters their methods. Every bit of information WE get, so do they. Should we do a total media blackout on this decade plus old war that we are still engaged in? Don't we have a right to know when our government is doing bad things in our name, even if that reporting possibly could aid our enemies?

#42 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Sully's Strawman Factory in full production mode. You can find it out on Route 89, just behind the abandoned Walmart."

I was satirizing you a bit but you were mocking people for "whining" about the NSA, which indicates that silence is more appropriate. And if you were still capable of honesty you'd admit that the entire point of that post was to try and indicate that people shouldn't be talking about the NSA because its an old story.

Now go back obfuscating using ridiculous arguments. I need a laugh.

#43 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't we have a right to know when our government is doing bad things in our name, even if that reporting possibly could aid our enemies?

#42 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12:06 PMFlag: (Choose)
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If it does aid our enemies, where does that leave you?

Let's express this a different way: if it does aid someone who will kill your loved ones as soon as look at them, which is what an enemy is, where does that leave you?

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

"All of you people pretending that it's excusable al-Qaeda was taught to fight smarter by Eddie Snowden.

Sick.

#37 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag:"

Your fauxrage over this gross misrepresntation of actual events is noted. As is your knee jerk defense of everything Obama and your lack of credibility.

I think shilling for Obama over his domestic spying program is sick.

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

The actions of our government is what inspires our enemies, not our knowledge of said actions.

if it does aid someone who will kill your loved ones as soon as look at them, which is what an enemy is, where does that leave you?

Emotional arguments have no place in this debate which is why family members do not serve on juries.

#46 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Zed's logic runs along the lines of ' we better do exactly what the oppressors/criminals want us to do (remain silent) or someone may get hurt'. We better not complain about the NSA or intelligence commmunities felony activities against the American people or else someone might get hurt.

Apologists have no shame.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-06 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1


#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08

If there will be blood, please wear the stains proudly. You're supporting a man who (at best) did the wrong thing for the right reason.

You can't exempt him (or yourself) from personal responsibility if it all turns out to be a lot more serious than the parlour game Edward has made himself the star in.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am thinking Zed would and should hate Woodward and Bernstein for what they did to Nixon. They went after the President of the United States and reported on his crimes DURING A TIME OF WAR! Those traitors!

#49 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

-you'd admit that the entire point of that post was to try and indicate that people shouldn't be talking about the NSA because its an old story.

Lot of dumb things said around here, but that is exceptional dumbness.

The point, which is what you heard whizzing past your head, is that dozens of posts a day here about what the problems are without any hint of solutions has turned the place into a Complaint Box and a Conspiracy Theorist's Wet Dream.

"The government overreaches if not carefully watched?! OMG! Who could ever have predicted that!?"

Since you missed it the first time, read it again...

I love all the folks these days who either are kids just now discovering, "The Man", or are oldsters who didn't believe us when we discovered him in the '60's and are now radicalized converts trying to evangelize everyone else.

We've known about Project Ajax since that time, about the military-industrial complex since Ike, and about the joy of some rwingers when JFK, RFK, and MLK were shot down in cold blood a few years apart when I was a teen.

We've known about the collusion of Big Bidness 1 Percenters and government subverting the rights of the average citizen forever... FDR taming them somewhat, as did JFK and LBJ... and about Ronald Ray-Gun ZAP! making the GOP their Party.

So, please forgive me for not wetting myself every other day over this fantastic "new" understanding some folks have.

Comparatively speaking, as that is all we can do in the real world of the alternatives we have, I have little empathy for thumb-sucking crybabies who whine about the candidates they have to choose from (because they are not willing to go out and do the hard werk of grooming better ones) or the fact that government will ALWAYS overreach if you let them, no matter who is in charge.

One party has always been better in handling these systemic problems than the other, if far from perfect, so the idea that we should make "the parties the same" in this or many other examples, is merely being a fool for a meme created by the GOP to spread apathy and dissolution.

If you think that Mitt Romney and the GOP would have reacted anything but much worse to these problems, if not celebrated in helping create them... then I have some swamp land down here in FL in which you might be interested.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apologists have no shame.

#47 | Posted by moder8 at

I'm no more an apologist than you are, Hon.

Eddie Snowden is a spy. Not a good or sophisticated one, but a spy against his own people nonetheless.

It's not an inconsequential point that he will, almost assuredly, get people he doesn't know (and doesn't give a damn concerning) killed or maimed.

At least, it's not inconsequential to some of us.

#51 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Emotional arguments have no place in this debate

#46 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12

And why you're well on your way to be a withered husk of something, let's not call it human.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

A personal attack from zed. Why am I not surprised he can't comment on the post and not insut the poster

#53 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

If there will be blood, please wear the stains proudly. You're supporting a man who (at best) did the wrong thing for the right reason.

You can't exempt him (or yourself) from personal responsibility if it all turns out to be a lot more serious than the parlour game Edward has made himself the star in.

#48 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Premise accepted. Now please tell us how proud you are of all the deaths occuring in Libya because the president you unconditionally support bombed Al Qaeda into power over there.

#54 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

A personal attack from zed. Why am I not surprised he can't comment on the post and not insut the poster

#53 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-

If you want to address issues in a dry and bloodless way, don't be surprised when someone notices that you're dry and bloodless.

Let's bring Eddie Snowden home, write him a nice card thanking him for all the things he's done for us, and then put him away for twenty years.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think shilling for Obama over his domestic spying program is sick.

#45 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's worse than that. It's unAmerican.

#56 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Not fooling anyone even a little bit.

#57 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, SULLY----Have you decided that it's good or bad thing to have helped al-Qaeda?---Before we go on.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, the solution to the NSA spying problem is for Americans to demand that the program is ended until the government listens. Corky dimisses this as "whining" while at the same time accusing people of not having solutions.

The shilling has gone from funny to pathetic to so pathetic its funny again.

#59 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

unAmerican would be saying that a person that knowingly premeditates and commits a felony should never have to face trial.

Particularly when the felony not only conveniently expresses the person's
disgruntlement at his superiors for not recognizing their truly special talents, but also endangers American intel assets and sets the thief up as the unelected Vetter in Chief.

Not to mention spilling said intel to China and Russia while making his getaway, so I won't mention it.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Making it all the more ironic when Eddie finally occupies a cell next to Boy George.

#38 | Posted by Zed

You calling Manning "Boy George"? There's that vaunted Christian "tolerance" again.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's bring Eddie Snowden home, write him a nice card thanking him for all the things he's done for us, and then put him away for twenty years.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll demand Edward Snowden face trial when our elected face trial for their illegal spying.

#62 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"Have you decided that it's good or bad thing to have helped al-Qaeda?"

en.wikipedia.org

#63 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#59

Yes, because the government is hanging on your every post here... HAHAHA!

But I see the problem. You see your whining as a solution.

Again, HAHAHA!

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, SULLY----Have you decided that it's good or bad thing to have helped al-Qaeda?---Before we go on.

#58 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is bad.

Snowden did not lend any real material support to Al Qaeda but they may have been able to pick out a few tips from the materials he released. There is zero evidence that anyone has died as a result. The bigger impact of Snowden's actions is that the American public now understnds the extent to which the government violates our rights, which is a tremendous service to us all.

Obama lent material support to AQ and other jihadist militias in Libya, killing people including innocents in the process. More people have died in the predictable, chaotic aftermath. And no benefit to the American public was achieved.

I accepted your premise, Zed. Now go bathe in the blood of dead Libyans.

#65 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 12:44 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I'll demand Edward Snowden face trial when our elected face trial for their illegal spying."

i'll nip both in the bid and put the elected on trial for creating the environment for an ed snowden type to even exist!

#66 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-06 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Now go bathe in the blood of dead Libyans.

The self-righteous Drama Queen is strong in this one, Obi-wan.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, I take it from the lack of response that Snowden shills do indeed believe that he should never face trial for the felony(s) he premeditated and committed, to let a jury of his peers decide the validity of his excuses.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

The self-righteous Drama Queen is strong in this one, Obi-wan.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh what's the matter, did I use the rhetoric about 'wearing blood' on your fellow apologist that he was trying to use on others? Only I applied it to a situation that actualy involved blood?

Yeah, that makes Corky a sad old shill. Sully bad.

Why don't you stick to making horrible arguments based on your wealth of experience? I'm sure you can trump "Don't 'whine' about the NSA". You can publish a book of helpful advice for children: 'Corky's Sage Advice for Tots, Tikes and Teens'

Chapter 1: Cross the Street, Then Look
Chapter 2: Strangers Have the Best Candy
Chapter 3: Why You Should Be Quiet About Bad Touches
Chapter 4: Peer Pressure: Always Beneficial

#69 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Of course Snowden should be put on trial. What he did was illegal. Illegal doesn't mean immoral. The right or wrong of he actions do not factor into he legality of them.

#70 | Posted by kanrei at 2014-08-06 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69

"Don't 'whine' on a Blog about the NSA Like Condi Rice did 911, Do Something About It!"

Happens to be the title of my new bestseller.

The obfuscating fasciati Moscow Eddie shills (ha!) want Amnesty for Eddie!

And please, whatever you do, please don't try to put their hysterical pants-wetting into historical perspective and suggest that although troubling, it is nothing we have never overcome in the past.

They really get all verklempt over that.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

#69 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chapter 5: Always and I mean always help strange men in a van find their dog.

#72 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 01:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Happens to be the title of my new bestseller"

so it was you who wrote that!

i bought that book, but i want my money back-- sure, it has a title but the next 700 pages are all blank!

#73 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-06 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"And please, whatever you do, please don't try to put their hysterical pants-wetting into historical perspective and suggest that although troubling, it is nothing we have never overcome in the past."

And what a perspective you offer! "Don't say anything about abuse of power or I'll make fun of you." Such wisdom! You're like a amalgam of Buddha, Gandalf and Mr. Miyagi!

Chapter 6: Fire Is a Fun Friend
Chapter 7: Sniffing Glue Will Give You Superpowers
Chapter 8: Pushing Grandma Down the Stairs - A Fun Game

#74 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

#74

I don't know about Chapter 6 and 7....but 8? It IS a fun game......especially when it's someone else's grandma.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Don't say anything about abuse of power

Strawman Factory has Big Sale!

Your outright lies would be funny if they... weren't outright obvious lies.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chapter 7: Sniffing Glue Will Give You Superpowers"

hey sully-- just so you know, when the line between reality and fantasy is blurred and/or erased, whether it is via accidental manipulation of the time-space continuum or through deliberate ingestion of harmful vapors, anything becomes possible...

#77 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-06 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Strawman Factory has Big Sale!"

and apparently you were the only one that knew...

#78 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2014-08-06 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Verklempt!

#79 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

#77

The ability to speak in pure gibberish, intentional or not, is a much under-appreciated art these days.

You should go Pro.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know about Chapter 6 and 7....but 8? It IS a fun game......especially when it's someone else's grandma.

Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 01:47 PM | Reply

Yeah especially a cratchety old coot.

#81 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see the Big Shill, Sully, has still not said whether Moscow Eddie should face a jury of his peers or not.

But then, cowardice takes many forms.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I see the Big Shill, Sully, has still not said whether Moscow Eddie should face a jury of his peers or not.

But then, cowardice takes many forms.

#82 | Posted by Corky

Sully lives rent-free in his head. Argumentum ad hominem.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

So, now that it's suspected that Eddie may have helped the boogie man terrorist guys (that we weren't supposed to be afraid of when GWB was president).....now it's a big deal?


#84 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, now that it's suspected that Eddie may have helped the boogie man terrorist guys (that we weren't supposed to be afraid of when GWB was president).....now it's a big deal?

#84 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 01:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

You forget Obama has a D behind his name. That's all that matters.

#85 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

#83

argumentum ad doofus

The search for relevance continues.

#86 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

I would like to see Obama and the other sociopaths responsible for NSA absues locked up before Snowden. I would hope Snowden is pardoned.

Chapter 9: How to Start Daddy's Car
Chapter 10: Your First Pipe Bomb
Chapter 11: Thirsty? Nothing to Drink? Urine Luck!

#88 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Larry, I'm glad you've returned to the DR. You are among the GROWING number of liberals on this place who are liberals first and "party loyalty no matter what" isn't as important.

And that doesn't make you a lover of the GOP anymore than you were before.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Corky welcome to plonksville

#90 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't there a collie somewhere who needs your attention?

#87 | Posted by Corky

You're disgusting. You should be banned.

#91 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Larry, I'm glad you've returned to the DR. You are among the GROWING number of liberals on this place who are liberals first and "party loyalty no matter what" isn't as important.

And that doesn't make you a lover of the GOP anymore than you were before.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tired of the DNC All they give you is heartburn and indigestion. Thanks Eberly

#92 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

#90

Thank you ever so much.

#88

Don't quit your day job. Creativity is a gift.

- I would hope Snowden is pardoned.

After his trial or before?

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#91

lmao! Authoritarian nihilists. What WILL they think of next?

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Before I would sentence Snowden to the gas chamber, I would first like to discover exactly what he has done. What information has he really divulged and to whom did he divulge it to?

All of that's important before you hang him for treason and yes, we have to consider what he's revealed regarding our own illegal spying information.

If we're going to send eddie to the gas chamber, we will likely have to fill several box cars full of folks from the NSA, CIA, State Dept....maybe even the white house to join him..

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Jackass (the poster)

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Corky welcome to plonksville"

Don't plonk him, Larry. Continue to respond to him. That's what he fears most.

#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

- That's what he fears most.

Yes, trail me like a bloodhound. If you don't know how, ask the the nihilist.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Authoritarian nihilists. What WILL they think of next?

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Authoritarian liberal.

Hillary doesn't believe in anything. Ergo, she's a nihilist. Ergo, Korky is a nihilist.

#99 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snowden isn't going to get charged with treason much less the death penalty. That loser John Walker Lyndh went to Afghanistan to kill Americans he got what 20 years? If you pick up a rifle in a foreign country against your own country and not get death then you can leak some basic data mining techniques and be fine.

#100 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#87 is probably one of the lowest post I've seen in all my years here at the retort.

#101 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

I know I'll get accused of being Carnac the magnificent for this but it's obvious to me that neither zed nor corky really want Snowden to come back to face trial and reveal all of this sorted mess. They know that regardless of what Eddie is guilty of that it's going to be worse for a bunch of other people and that it will have to make Hillary and Obama look very bad. There's no way around that. If Eddie comes back and spills the beans......all of them...Hillary could be finished and Obama will get dirty as well and it could cost the dems the white house.

IOW, zed and corky are lying about wanting eddie to face justice. They don't...because of the obvious ripple effects. They'd rather eddie sets fire to every physical piece of evidence and then commits suicide.

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#99

argumentum ad Special Eddie

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"#87 is probably one of the lowest post I've seen in all my years here at the retort."

I'm expecting the moderator to put that poster on suspension.

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 4

I know I'll get accused of being Carnac the magnificent for this but it's obvious to me that neither zed nor corky really want Snowden to come back to face trial and reveal all of this sorted mess. They know that regardless of what Eddie is guilty of that it's going to be worse for a bunch of other people and that it will have to make Hillary and Obama look very bad. There's no way around that. If Eddie comes back and spills the beans......all of them...Hillary could be finished and Obama will get dirty as well and it could cost the dems the white house.

IOW, zed and corky are lying about wanting eddie to face justice. They don't...because of the obvious ripple effects. They'd rather eddie sets fire to every physical piece of evidence and then commits suicide.

Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:13 PM | Reply

WOW Now that's awesome. I bet you're 1000% correct too.

#105 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#104

You are expecting Noam Chomsky to be President, too.

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

- zed and corky are lying about wanting eddie to face justice

Convolution of thought is a treatable condition. See your local shrink.

#107 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Someone tell Larry that I apologize for that remark.

It was, indeed, beneath me.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#107

see? all he has is to accuse me of being carnac the magnificent.

I'll accept the magnificent label....but my name is not carnac.

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry,

Corky has apologized to you.....he meant to say "Labrador" not collie.

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tis alright Eberly. I'll just consider the source.

#111 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where is Zed? I know he's here.....there can't be anybody else stupid enough to flag anything corky has posted as "newsworthy" on this thread.

come out of the shadows, Zed.

#113 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 6

- I would hope Snowden is pardoned.

After his trial or before?

Question goes unanswered, cowards abound.

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

whether Moscow Eddie should face a jury of his peers or not.

He probably should. What he did was illegal.

What complicates things is this administration's approach to whistle blowers, except when leaked information might make Obama look tough, like Seal Team 6 and the Suxnet virus.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-06 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Question goes unanswered, cowards abound."

You sling around that word "cowards" against fellow Drudgies with impunity. Why is that?

#116 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, you don't care about endangered lives.

Is she really working for al Qaeda? Did her views get another 60 troops killed in a car bomb last weekend? NAZI rhymes with YAHTZEE!

You care b/c it embarrassed Obama after he campaigned on stopping all of the spying stuff.

We don't support spying on the US work force. Spying on corporate "persons" is what we gets you irate? How have those contracted wars turned-out? Lucrative, in fact? How?

You championed Bradley Manning and he actually leaked people's names and conversations between diplomats. He leaked what civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq had done to help the US and leaked their names and what they did. You loved it then.

What were those leaks pertaining to? Contractors and corporate secrets?! I wonder if that's what prompted Blackwater to murder one of it's own CEO's? To prevent him from "Manning"-up?

Snowden hasn't leaked anything close to what Manning gave away. So spare us with your faux outrage.
#34 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 10:28 AM Newsworthy 1

I agree - spare us your faux burden.

On topic: the NSA are corralling al Qaeda into bricking and using their own cryptography - which is CIA. So, who is this article actually exposing information to?

#117 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2014-08-06 02:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

-whistle blowers

Are typically people who happen to discover wrongdoing on their jobs and report it.

Those who take a job for the express purpose of committing felonies because their supervisors don't appreciate their awesomeness might better be called criminals.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#116 |

Says the Ad Hominem King.

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry, I'm glad you've returned to the DR. You are among the GROWING number of liberals on this place who are liberals first and "party loyalty no matter what" isn't as important.
And that doesn't make you a lover of the GOP anymore than you were before.

#89 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I remember very early in Obama's first term he quietly issued a continuation of the Bush rendition program.

Larry was PISSED. He said that very act alone would make it very difficult to vote for Obama for a second term.

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-06 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Larry was PISSED. He said that very act alone would make it very difficult to vote for Obama for a second term.

Posted by JeffJ at 2014-08-06 02:41 PM | Reply

Tis partially why I voted for myself in 2012.

#121 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#120 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

www.lawfareblog.com

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Someone tell Larry that I apologize for that remark.

It was, indeed, beneath me.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

I forgive You Corky. Like the old adage says in politics when you're losing on political grounds attack the opponent personally. It might score you points but it only leaves one smelly.

#123 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

Says the Ad Hominem King.

#119 | Posted by Corky

Better than being the Ad Hominem Queen, darling.

#124 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

After his trial or before?

Question goes unanswered, cowards abound.

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Coward? What am I scared of? You?

If I wanted to thwart the threat you pose, I'd get myself a pair of chainmail socks. Ankles saved!

I would like a record of how he got his information to be public but I don't see the point of putting him on trial just to pardon him. Maybe tie the pardon to his cooperation on a debriefing that will be made public.

#125 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Someone tell Larry that I apologize for that remark.
It was, indeed, beneath me.
#108 | Posted by Corky

No, I would say thats who you are Corky, its an unfortunate reality when people are exposed to being anonymous on the web, their true selves come out..... they lack self control.

So no Corky it wasn't beneath you, it was you......

#126 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-06 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 3

-I would like a record of how he got his information to be public but I don't see the point of putting him on trial just to pardon him. Maybe tie the pardon to his cooperation on a debriefing that will be made public.

lol! Got your kid gloves on, do you?

We like to call that a trial, you know, when someone obviously has broken the law and in this case a committed premeditated felony.

But I guess if a jury of his peers is too strenuous for Eddie, a croquet match against the NSA would satisfy your requirements.

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

#126

Isn't there a Log Cabin Republican meeting somewhere that requires your attention, Jane?

#128 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#123

Thanks, Larry. Just the heat of the moment.

I don't always agree with what you say, but you have your right to say it.

#129 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Snowden is a spy.
#51 | Posted by Zed

No. Spies don't make information public. They take secrets from one nation and secretly relay them to another nation. That second nation would never make the knowledge public because the entire point is that the first nation has unknowingly lost their edge. It would defeat the purpose to tell them they've lost their edge.

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

- They take secrets from one nation and secretly relay them to another nation.

You mean like telling China which of their servers they used to spy on us that we had hacked?

#131 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We like to call that a trial, you know, when someone obviously has broken the law and in this case a committed premeditated felony."

So you also want everyone involved in NSA law breaking to be prosecuted? Should we impeach Obama over it?

#132 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Those who take a job for the express purpose of committing felonies because their supervisors don't appreciate their awesomeness might better be called criminals.

#118 | Posted by Corky

Such sad, sad projection.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thanks, Larry, nulli, Sully, Dalton, Andrea, Eberly, JeffJ, Kanrei,. Just the heat of the moment.

I don't always agree with what you say, but you have your right to say it."

#134 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

You mean like telling China which of their servers they used to spy on us that we had hacked?
#131 | Posted by Corky

Because clearly that information is still secret!
And by revealing it, now you're the spy.

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

#132

If you have enough evidence to bring charges against someone, be my guest.

There is plenty against Edward Snowden.

But kudos on telling us that he shoudl not face trial; a jury trial for him being pointless.

It must give the nihilists a thrill.

#136 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

#133 |

No, more like a reading of what Snowden and what his supervisors have been quoted as saying.

You should try it sometime. Reading, that is.

#135

Obfuscating facsiati!

#137 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

#132 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Durr, Corky posted without answering me. He must be scared.

(Standing out in rain in front of Corky's group home)

COWAAAARDS!

#138 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

No, more like a reading of what Snowden and what his supervisors have been quoted as saying.

"citation needed"

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

-Corky posted without answering me.

-If you have enough evidence to bring charges against someone, be my guest.

I guess habitual lying is OK. Just an innocent Strawman, one s'poses.

But I'm sure Moscow Eddie appreciates your support for an amnesty; no trial.

It's not like he broke any laws or anything.

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"citation needed"

#139

Sure, sweety. Wouldn't want you to break a sweat.

www.google.com

As a matter of fact, I'm sure we's all appreciate it if you didn't.

#142 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not like he broke any laws or anything.
#141 | Posted by Corky

It's not like with that comment you're hiding behind the law or anything.

What did I say back in #12? Ah yes, "Your ongoing inability to engage in a serious discussion about state sanctioned spying comes as no surprise."

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Carlyle Clinton doesn't stand for anything, other than herself. She's a nihilist.

#144 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

-hiding behind the law

lol, are you actually trying to say something? Try again.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#144

Old pony, old trick.

But he gets credit for persistence at attempted relevance.

#146 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not like he broke any laws or anything.

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag

What about Obama breaking the US Constitution namely the 4th Amendment??

#147 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-06 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure, sweety. Wouldn't want you to break a sweat.
www.google.com

The title is "Before surveillance leaks, CIA supervisor warned Snowden could be a security risk (update)"

When you look at how the systems were architected, giving people in Snowden's position had non-compartmentalized access to essentially everything, everybody was a security risk.

The fact that you still won't acknowledge the myriad systemic failures which allowed Snowden to do what he did is the actual reason you have zero credibility on this subject.

Snowden is your Lynndie England. Heap all the blame on the one who did the deed, ignore everything that had to go wrong --was built wrong -- in the chain of command for that environment to exist in the first place.

As I've said many times before, we're remarkably lucky Snowden wasn't a real spy working for a hostile foreign government.

My dark horse theory is that Corky is a spy, and he routinely publicly shames Snowden to give his supervisors, who are surely monitoring this communication, a warm fuzzy feeling about him. It's like when Moder8 isn't allowed to criticize anything Israel does or it will compromise his career arc in Jew-heavy L.A.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:40 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

-hiding behind the law
lol, are you actually trying to say something? Try again.
#145 | Posted by Corky

You cite "the law" as a way to not have a discussion about what Snowden did or revealed and the extra-legal implications. Your position is that he's a lawbreaker, therefore what he did is wrong, therefore there's nothing more do discuss.

It's so patently obvious what you're doing, even you must realize it.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#141 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Didn't see it. I apologize.

Please extend my apologies to the other folks at the group home.

#150 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 2

Your position is that he's a lawbreaker, therefore what he did is wrong, therefore there's nothing more do discuss.

It's so patently obvious what you're doing, even you must realize it.

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

For the purpose of this thread, Corky doesn't understand the difference between legality and morality.

In another thread, he might.

#151 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#152 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2014-08-06 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

- who are surely monitoring this communication

It's so hard to know where the paranoia stops and the stupid starts.

- Your position is that he's a lawbreaker, therefore what he did is wrong, therefore there's nothing more do discuss.

My position is he should have a trial before a jury of his peers.

You should take that Strawman back to Sully's factory and ask for a refund.

It sucked.

#153 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 04:32 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"My position is he should have a trial before a jury of his peers."

I have my doubts.

#154 | Posted by eberly at 2014-08-06 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Y'think Corky would whine and pout as loudly if a jury of his peers acquiteted Snowden as he did when they acquitted Zimmerman?

#155 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-06 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

If there was a Snowden trial everytime he would try to bring up evidence the CIA or the NSA would simply say it couldn't be discussed b/c of state secrets. If the government really wanted Snowden they could reach some type of agreement where he get's de briefed and he gets a few years in jail to save face or probation.

#156 | Posted by Dalton at 2014-08-06 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

#155

Y'think Modert8 would throw an MTW fit when Snowden was convicted, the way he did when Justin Bieber was fined?

#157 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

-they could reach some type of agreement

www.youtube.com

voiceofrussia.com

#158 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-06 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You should take that Strawman back to Sully's factory and ask for a refund."

Corky trying to pretend that he simply wants Snowden to stand trial and hasn't made any value judgement on Snowden's actions is laughable.

He did say "I only want him to stand trial" in a recent post. But the problem is that we have seen dozens of other posts from Corky where he clearly portrays Snowden as a bad guy who has done harm to his country.

Corky's assertion that you're posting a "Strawman" if you remember what he said in the past instead of just accepting the latest version of his ever changing stories would be somewhat funny if he were in on the joke. But he actually believes his own BS.

#159 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-06 05:34 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

You calling Manning "Boy George"? There's that vaunted Christian "tolerance" again.

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-06 12:42 PM | Reply

You think there's something wrong with Boy George? Now that's low.

#160 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

No. Spies don't make information public.

#130 | Posted by snoofy at

I explicitly stated Snowden wasn't a good spy.

What Eddie has done and is doing is to milk an informational power base to his personal benefit. He never lets more than six weeks go by without calling attention to himself. Everyone's noticed.

#161 | Posted by Zed at 2014-08-06 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

American society would be better off if Snowden were turned into a national hero and patriot instead of the media attempting to portray him as something vile. The media works for political insiders and oligarchs, not average Americans who are the backbone of America.

#162 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-06 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

What Eddie has done and is doing is to milk an informational power base to his personal benefit.

How has he personally benefited? From where I sit it looks like he has pretty much lost everything. His job. His girlfriend. His country.

He never lets more than six weeks go by without calling attention to himself.

This article was not published by Snowden. He has nothing to do with it and most news releases about him. The revelations will continue as researchers analyze more and more of the data he released. He has nothing to do with that time table.

A Whistle Blower is not a spy. He would have released that data here if he could have and he would not even be in Russia if he could come back home safely.

#163 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-06 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

What Eddie has done and is doing is to milk an informational power base to his personal benefit.

You're delusional. He was making six figures before age thirty. Hard to get much more personally beneficial than that.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

- Your position is that he's a lawbreaker, therefore what he did is wrong, therefore there's nothing more do discuss.

My position is he should have a trial before a jury of his peers.
#153 | Posted by Corky

And your position beyond that is there's nothing to discuss.

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-06 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

As American Middle East policies help Alqaeda get recruits, it is hardly a Christmas Miracle they would also acquire a few computer and computer security experts.

Jeebus Crow, the United States is now in the silly position of trying to make computer research or the boiling point of water a state secret.

#166 | Posted by john47 at 2014-08-07 08:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Reading Corky trying to shoot spit balls at Sully I am reminded of the famous cartoon, Bambi Meets Godzilla.

www.youtube.com

#167 | Posted by moder8 at 2014-08-07 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

I remember very early in Obama's first term he quietly issued a continuation of the Bush rendition program.
Larry was PISSED. He said that very act alone would make it very difficult to vote for Obama for a second term.

#120 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2014-08-06 02:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I remember that. The fun part was when TonyRoma claimed it wasn't true, then tried to claim there was a difference between the "rendition" Obama was allowing, and "extraordinary rendition".

Despite what Obama continuing being defined in the exact same way.

#168 | Posted by soheifox at 2014-08-07 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I remember that. The fun part was when TonyRoma claimed it wasn't true, then tried to claim there was a difference between the "rendition" Obama was allowing, and "extraordinary rendition".

I don't remember that at all, and I have no problem owning what I write as I've repeatedly expressed to you over the years. If you can find a link I'd love to see it, but it doesn't make sense.

Regardless of how you see me, I'm a logical person, hopefully driven by facts. It isn't logical for me to have argued something so ridiculous. Rendition is rendition and it's driven by fear not logic.

I guess I might have tried to justify something in this area, but I see no rational way I would have been able to make the argument. But if I did, then I did, I guess.

#169 | Posted by tonyroma at 2014-08-07 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

then tried to claim there was a difference between the "rendition" Obama was allowing, and "extraordinary rendition".

There was an article on this just the other day.

Rendition is when you go through established diplomatic channels and invoke rendition treaties.

Extraordinary rendition is when you kidnap someone on foreign soil, a criminal act in that nation.

Perhaps there's no difference to the person being rendered, but there's certainly a difference.

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-08 12:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

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