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Monday, August 04, 2014

Lights across Britain switched off for an hour on Monday night in a tribute to the dead of World War I inspired by the prophetic observation of Britain's foreign minister on the eve of war 100 years ago. "The lamps are going out all over Europe," Edward Grey told an acquaintance, shortly before Britain declared war on Germany on Aug. 4, 1914. "We shall not see them lit again in our lifetime." The "war to end all wars" spread carnage across Europe, especially northern France and Belgium, killing 17 million soldiers and civilians in 1914-18. Over one million of the dead were soldiers from Britain and its then empire.

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It's about damn time!

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2014-08-04 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without reading the article I'm just going to assume that world war 3 started and Jesus is coming back to save me because I can't make my own life and enjoy what's given to me.

#2 | Posted by pragmatous at 2014-08-04 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pull the trigger. Pull the pin. Turn the key. Push the RESET button...

#3 | Posted by XRESETX at 2014-08-05 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

You know what I would like to see? Reprints of the US newspapers from 100 years ago, posted day by day on the corresponding date. I think it would be eye-opening to read the editorials, the op-eds, the statements by our politicians, etc... I think most people would be shocked at the level of internal conflict over whether we needed to be part of "Europe's War". Mostly, I think people would read those papers and realize that neither rhetoric nor Congress have changed much in a century.

#4 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-05 08:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

Speaking of WWIII:

German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes. Haisenko presented his theory in a widely-circulated and controversial article which appeared on the Global Research website titled "Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the "Shooting Down" of Malaysian MH17. "Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile". Here's an excerpt from the article:

"The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile…."
Haisenko notes that the munitions used on Ukrainian fighters–anti-tank incendiary and splinter-explosive shells–are capable of taking down a jetliner and that the dense pattern of metal penetrated by multiple projectiles is consistent with the firing pattern of a 30-mm gun. Pieces of a missile have not been found at the crash site.

In the last 48 hours, the Pentagon has announced the deployment of US paratrooper units to Poland and the three former Baltic republics of the Soviet Union, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, bringing US troops to Russia's very border. Another American warship has been dispatched to the Black Sea and more US forces are slated to deploy to Ukraine itself this summer under an exercise known as Operation Rapid Trident.

Pathological liar Washington wants war with Russia? The Obama administration is playing a very dangerous game of Russian Roulette. Why? To cover up financial crimes?

www.counterpunch.org

#5 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-05 08:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 Nice to see you living up to your moniker, Nut.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-05 09:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 Nice to see you living up to your moniker, Nut.

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-05 09:46 AM | Reply |

Maybe, just maybe, Mustang you're not only the nutcase but also the veritable "dupe".

www.cbc.ca

#7 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 09:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe, just maybe, Mustang you're not only the nutcase but also the veritable "dupe".

www.cbc.ca

#7 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 09:48 AM | Reply

You may learn something if you listen from about the 6th minute of the interview----expand your mind a little.

#8 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

"German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a ground-based antiaircraft missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes."

Except that the SU-25 can't fly nearly high enough nor fast enough. Secondly, the recording of the Separatists claiming they shot it down with a missile has been confirmed to be who they suspected it was. Thirdly, the Separatists had previously shot down other airplanes.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-05 11:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Pathological liar Washington wants war with Russia?"

That's not just conspiracy their nonsense but down right stupid to think that Obama wants war with Russia.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-05 11:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The following day further evidence emerged that separatist forces were behind the downing of MH17 as Ukrainian Security Forces released what they claim to be an intercepted recording of two separatist militants admitting to shooting down a civilian plane."

This was put out by the same "ukrainian security force" that supposedly released a reputable recording all the while absconding with and not releasing the reputable Ukrainian control tower recording----riiiiiight.

#11 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's not just conspiracy their nonsense but down right stupid to think that Obama wants war with Russia.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-05 11:06 AM | Reply

He wants the Kerry 21st way of fighting wars and that's through the destabilization of countries through financial wars-----sanctions. Obama and his propaganda machine which is just an extension of the Bush propaganda machine attempts to acquire support for his actions and financial war----he knows a "physical war" with Russia would be ludicrous. Obama is an extension of the neocon military-industrial complex in Washington and a puppet of the Wolfowitz Doctrine neocons.

#12 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 11:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I might add that we had a satellite in the area of the downing of the MH17----why haven't legitimate photos been released at this time? It amazes me that the separatists released black boxes to the West. If they had something to hide, why would they? Of course, knowing the propaganda mill of the U.S. and the West, they should shutter at whether they'll ever have the truth of what is found from those black boxes.

Hey, did anyone see the recent AP article about the attempted destabilization of Cuba through NGOs and related front organizations? Anyone connect the dots with the Ukraine situation? Danni, you certainly should since you seem to be a buddy of the irascible Victoria Nuland.

#13 | Posted by matsop at 2014-08-05 11:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

#7/#8 I can't believe it took Danni to school you. MH17 was at 33,000 feet when it was shot down. It had to be because the Russians had closed the airspace 32,000 ft and below. The Frogfoot (the ground-attack Russian equivalent of the A-10 Warthog) has a maximum ceiling of about 23,000 feet. What's more likely (let's use Occam's Razor on this): that a Ukrainian pilot flying an aircraft that can only get within 2 miles of it's target can successfully (without stalling) get a nose up attitude and put nearly every round of 30mm right on target (as evidenced by the proximity of the entry holes in the wreckage) OR that a SAM with a ceiling of 72,000 ft and a fragmentation warhead did that damage?

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-05 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama is an extension of the neocon military-industrial complex in Washington and a puppet of the Wolfowitz Doctrine neocons."

If that were true we'd still have over one hundred thousand troops in Iraq.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2014-08-05 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

Bullet holes in MH17 or lack of missile fragments will never be mentioned in the US mass media. But it is hard to miss the systematic buildup of anti-Russian propaganda and it is impossible to ignore the movement of troops and equipment. Obama promised change but he has never delivered on that promise. That was just a dirty trick he pulled on the progressive vote.

#16 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-05 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

If that were true we'd still have over one hundred thousand troops in Iraq.

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI

We've already looted, pillaged, and burned that nation down. It's time to move on to thicker greener pastures....i meant blacker, more oily patches.

#17 | Posted by DeadSpin at 2014-08-05 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Q: How does the German team get to the World Cup?
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A: First left, Third Reich.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2014-08-05 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reprints of the US newspapers from 100 years ago, posted day by day on the corresponding date.

The New York Times has full archives for each edition 100 years ago, including a look at each actual page. It's available to subscribers.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-05 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's more likely (let's use Occam's Razor on this):

Speaking of which, if the Ukrainians shot it down there would be evidence in the wreckage. It would be easy to prove. If that was the case then the Russians would secure the area and allow international inspectors to prove their case for them.

But, in fact, the exact opposite is occurring.

The Russians (thru their "separatists") are doing everything possible to delay and prevent any useful and timely investigation of the wreckage which will only continue to fuel the contention that they were indeed involved.

You would think the Russians would be more than happy to clear themselves of the continued charges that they were behind the downing of flight MH17.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-05 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#20

That is correct. But, if the Russians do that it will not be reported here. Peter Haisenko was one of the first to see the crash site first hand. Here is a compelling photo of the alleged machine gun fire:

www.anderweltonline.com

#21 | Posted by nutcase at 2014-08-06 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

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