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Robert B. Jones, The Atlantic: The rhetoric from political leaders about unaccompanied children arriving in the U.S. from Central America has been sharp and, with certain notable exceptions, largely predictable across party lines. But even amid some serious and growing concerns about immigration, Americans are taking a position marked more by compassionate pragmatism than ideology. A new Public Religion Research Institute poll finds that approximately seven in 10 (69 percent) Americans see the unaccompanied children from Central America as refugees rather than illegal immigrants. Similarly, 70 percent say these children should receive support and shelter while a process is underway to resolve their cases; only about one in four Americans say they should be immediately deported back to their home countries.

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Most notably, there is broad bipartisan and cross-religious support for a policy of offering support plus a legal-determination process, including among majorities of more ideologically conservative constituencies such as Republicans (57 percent) and white evangelical Protestants (56 percent).

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"The survey paints a portrait of an American public that is less governed by its worst worries and less divided about solutions than its leaders are.

One of the most interesting things about the survey is how it illuminates the complex mindset that most Americans bring to immigration issues.

The broad policy agreement rests not on a foundation of naïve Pollyannaish assumptions but exists amid a swirl of real concerns, such as questions about the legitimacy of dangers facing these children, the possible future implications of a policy that allows some of these children to stay in the country, and the impact of recent immigrants in general.

In-depth analysis of the survey offers three insights about how these concerns mesh with policy preferences on immigration."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-04 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Define "children". When asked the question, how many pictured a sad, runny-nosed 6-year old instead of a 17-year old with gang tattoos? Both of those are being treated as "children". And this is all fine for small children from Central America..that's sad..but you know we're going to wind up with a policy that treats them all the same. Small kids from Guatemala, teenage gangsters from Mexico, Chinese iWORDS that are using Mexico as a dropoff point, Indians, Pakistanis, Africans....they're all going to fall under the umbrella of whatever border bill gets passed.

You can have an open immigration policy or you can be a welfare state. You cannot be both and survive.

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-04 07:55 AM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Slippery slopes, domino theories... are logical fallacies.

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#3 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-04 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Perhaps [...] but the slippery slope is only a logical fallacy when not backed by rational reasoning. He also doesn't paint a "slipper slope", but what might be a "false dichotomy".

Its incredibly weak to just put a link and call something a "logical fallacy", without destroying some part of the argument.

Mustang, presents what he perceives as a dichotomy, is it false? I would tend to agree with it. A country with an open border that has high levels of welfare, requires vast amounts of wealth generation to sustain itself in the long run.

The situation we have at the border is pretty much an open border, almost a war zone.

I would say you would need to have an example of a country with an open border that is a welfare state? Or some other rational in order to counter and make it false dichotomy.

Most socialist countries have a strict immigration policy, for good reason.

But I could be wrong, perhaps there is one.....

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-04 10:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Related story for the Corkster:

A leaked intelligence analysis from the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) reveals the exact numbers of illegal immigrants entering and attempting to enter the U.S. from more than 75 different countries.

As of July 20, 2014, 1,443 individuals from China were caught sneaking across the porous U.S. border this year alone, with another 1,803 individuals either turning themselves in to U.S. authorities at official ports of entry, or being caught attempting to illegally enter at the ports of entry. This comes amid a massive crackdown by Chinese authorities of Islamic terrorists in the Communist nation.

Twenty-eight individuals from Pakistan were caught attempting to sneak into the U.S. this year alone, with another 211 individuals either turning themselves in or being caught at official ports of entry.

Thirteen Egyptians were caught trying to sneak into the U.S. this year alone, with another 168 either turning themselves in or being caught at official ports of entry.

Four individuals from Yemen were caught attempting to sneak into the U.S. by Border Patrol agents in 2014 alone, with another 34 individuals either turning themselves in or being caught attempting to sneak through official ports of entry. Yemen is not the only nation with individuals who pose terror risks to the U.S. that the report indicates travel from.

The failed nation of Somalia, known as a hotbed of Islamic terror activity, was also referenced in the report. Four individuals from Somalia were caught trying to sneak into the U.S. by Border Patrol agents in 2014. Another 290 either turned themselves in or were caught attempting to sneak in at official ports of entry.

www.breitbart.com

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-04 11:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

The Zombie Breitbart, lol.

You might want to actually read this thread article, particularity as to how deeply the public does understand the factors involved.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2014-08-04 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guess my wife and I are one of those 30%.

#7 | Posted by MSgt at 2014-08-04 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those under say 13 coming from Central America to escape violence and worse clearly fit the definition of refugees.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-04 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

NO NO NO!
Rick Perry says it's an invasion, so that's what it is!

~Mustang Breitbart, et al

#9 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2014-08-04 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

77% want these refugees sent back home.
washingtonexaminer.com

#10 | Posted by Huguenot at 2014-08-04 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 1

Four individuals from Somalia

If that's not an invasion, I don't know what is!

Mustang

Let me ask you a simple question. If these kids were from Cuba, would you still feel the same way?

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2014-08-04 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

#11 I had to think about that one, but yes, I would. If they were arriving, presenting themselves to the US authorities and asking for refugee status, that would be one thing. Sneaking across the border and hoping for the best with a Plan B of asking for refugee status if you get caught is not the same thing, at least not in my mind. And I do feel for the little kids who have been put in a bad situation, but I fully believe that our government is going to use that demographic (pre-pubescent Central American children) as an example of why we need to be more compassionate and then treat all the teen gang-bangers, Chinese, etc..in the exact same way...and that I am NOT ok with.

#12 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2014-08-05 09:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure the pro-life crowd is all over this situation. No way they will let these kids go uncared for because it would be ridiculous of them to only care about other peoples' kids before they are born....

#13 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-05 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

The only people who were polled were more than likely readers of the Atlantic, about as left of center as Mother Jones. Of course they will say that, I wonder if the results would be the same if they knew a majority of these children are teenage boys, many already affiliated with MS13 and other gangs.

#14 | Posted by docnjo at 2014-08-05 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

You ever notice how many issues are split with 25-30% on the "conservative" side? Yet, they seem to think they represent the majority in this country. Sorry, that math doesn't work.

#15 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2014-08-05 02:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did they have a box to check off as leeches? Im willing to call them leeches... they are here illegally. shut up about 'the children' its retarded rhetoric for the masses. Those children are 13 or older and well versed in gang activity. I hope im wrong but im sure the overwhelming majority crossing our border are leeches and scum. Time will tell if they can or will assimilate productively.

#16 | Posted by monkeylogic42 at 2014-08-05 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

We Americans have compassion for children, except the supporters of IDF and Israel first do not. They like to kill children because their philosophy is dead Palestinians will not grow up to be their enemies and neither will others not of their ilk.

Yet Americans are convinced by a racist media that works for Israel that we are a hateful racist people, because we wish to protect the last vestiges of own economy and contract an economy of debt owned by the war mongering bankers that control our pols and government.

#17 | Posted by Robson at 2014-08-05 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#17: what, huh? You mean, oh nevermind.

#18 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-05 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if the results would be the same if they knew a majority of these children are teenage boys, many already affiliated with MS13 and other gangs.

#14 | Posted by docnjo

If by "affiliated" you actually mean "fear" of MS13 and other gangs. Then yes, the results would be the same. In fact, if they knew the truth and were not being confused by Fox News Propaganda I would imagine the results would be higher.

www.cbsnews.com

www.theguardian.com

www.vox.com

www.kpbs.org

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-05 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I am sorry this massive immigration from the South is becoming a messy issue... but they (immigrants) are not helping their undocumented relatives by telling the Republicans to commit suicide (harikari), er, I mean political suicide.... because Latinos vote mostly Democrat. And this is how California is given to Democrats. A Democrat Presidential candidate need not campaign in California (he/she already has the 54 numbers in the pocket), except to come and collect money from some Hollywood events. The cash cow for liberals.

So let's see, flood America with immigrants (who upon becoming citizens will vote Democrat), fill up all the top political positions from their votes, and pass laws that undermines the Constitution or 'remake America' as Obama puts it.

Some Blacks are beginning to notice that they are losing out in the minority status, or strangely becoming a minority and getting squeezed out. Obama has used his color to emotionally pulled in the Blacks but have no use for them after getting their votes.

If the Blacks wish to remain equal players in the nation, they need to find ways to return to Republicans and turn the tables on the Democrats. Things may turn out favorable in this way.

#20 | Posted by takitez at 2014-08-05 10:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Crack IS a helluva drug.

#21 | Posted by Harry_Powell at 2014-08-05 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

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