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Friday, August 01, 2014

A planned ceasefire between Israel and Hamas crumbled hours after it went into effect today, with Israel resuming full operations in the Gaza Strip. Israel officials said the cease-fire was violated by an attack that left two soldiers dead and another abducted. The cease-fire went into effect at 1 a.m. ET Friday. Israel said it considered the cease-fire over after what it said was a Hamas violation of the agreement, which was brokered by the United Nations and United States.

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Send more Missiles.

That should help.

#1 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

@ DONNERBOY

You mis-phrased that.

Our government isn't sending missiles, it's giving them $200M+ in military tech FOR FREE!

Should America sue congress for having claimed we're to broke for infrastructure repair?

#2 | Posted by Tor at 2014-08-01 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

See we told you so. Its not Israel that's at fault.
These people cant even honor a cease fire. They live to kill jews.

#3 | Posted by tmaster at 2014-08-01 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They live to kill jews. "

Death toll so far: 1500+ Palestinians. 3 Israelis.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

These people cant even honor a cease fire. They live to kill jews.

Both sides claim the other broke the cease-fire. The claim that "they live to kill Jews" is being used to raze entire neighborhoods in Gaza to the ground and fire missiles and air strikes that have killed hundreds of civilians. By the last count I saw three Israeli civilians had died in this war, compared to an estimated 1,120 Palestinian civilians.

Do you see the irony in killing hundreds of innocent people and justifying your actions with the self-defense claim they live to kill you, while you're doing almost all of the killing? If an Arab army was killing hundreds of Jewish civilians with that rationale, you'd regard their actions as evil.

#5 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#5

" By the last count I saw three Israeli civilians had died in this war, compared to an estimated 1,120 Palestinian civilians."

Just because someone is better does not mean they lose the right to defend. Are they just supposed to wait until the iron dome fails? Or maybe until one of the IED makes it to a population center?

What is the alternative to attacking where you were attacked from?

#6 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just because someone is better does not mean they lose the right to defend.

No one said Israel can't act in self defense. But it does not justify unlimited aggression, inflicting huge civilian casualties or blowing up the only power plant in Gaza.

The threat of the rockets is obviously quite small, given Israel's lack of civilian casualties. Does such an ineffective threat give Israel license to raze entire Gaza neighborhoods to the ground, killing four innocent civilians for every militant?

If Hamas was firing all these missiles and Israel was not killing hundreds of civilians, the story is far different around the world. Hamas would look toothless and weak, and might have lost the support of the people in Gaza.

#7 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 02:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 They, apparently, wan Israel to allow Hamas to lob missile (of which many land within Gaza and kill civilians - which they seem not to care about) at them with no repercussion.

They will continue to brandish their appeal to emotion in citing the numbers of civilians dead without being capable of acknowledging that many of those dead civilians have been killed by misfired Hamas rockets while other images of those dead civilians are fabricated using pictures from Syria.

They will continue to discount anything that comes out of Israel as a truthful explanation of what happened but accept the numbers of the civilians killed without blinking an eye.

#8 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-01 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 Stopping the rocket attacks actually helps the people of Gaza, as many of the rockets fall within Gaza hitting civilian locations and killing people.

#9 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-01 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

... many of those dead civilians have been killed by misfired Hamas rockets ...

I've seen no reliable media sources reporting the claim that "many" casualties were killed by Hamas rockets rather than Israeli bombs and airstrikes. Prove it.

#10 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 02:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

" as many of the rockets fall within Gaza hitting civilian locations and killing people."

BS.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stopping the rocket attacks actually helps the people of Gaza, as many of the rockets fall within Gaza hitting civilian locations and killing people.

You're getting bad information. Iron Dome only intercepts Hamas rockets aimed at Israeli population centers.

"Given the high cost of Iron Dome's missiles, only those headed for populated areas are selected for interception."

www.businessinsider.com

The rockets are weak, cheap and easily intercepted, but it costs a fortune to intercept them.

"There are two main reasons Iron Dome offers Israel incomplete protection. First, each Tamir missile costs Israel between US$50-90,000, compared with only a few hundred dollars apiece for the rockets they intercept. Given such a profound cost imbalance, a sustained rocket campaign could have a crippling effect on Israel's defense budget."

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But it does not justify unlimited aggression, inflicting huge civilian casualties or blowing up the only power plant in Gaza."

Unlimited aggression? Hyperbole much? Without limitation Israel could have leveled the place on day one.

"The threat of the rockets is obviously quite small, given Israel's lack of civilian casualties."

Because they have the iron dome. What would it have been without? What would it have been without the army to stop the IEDs?

They were dared to react, do you really think hamas had any thinking that it stood any chance? No they knew what would happen and used it to goad Israel into taking care of the problem to raise more anti-Israel sentiment.

Ask yourself how long was Israel supposed to just hope their iron dome was as successful as it has been? They say it is 90% so 1 in ten rockets get through, that's one in ten that are aim indiscriminately at civilian populace. Obviously something had to be done, i don't fault Israel for that. What has gone on before does not justify the terrorism of hamas and they need to be dealt with.

#13 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 Stopping the rocket attacks actually helps the people of Gaza, as many of the rockets fall within Gaza hitting civilian locations and killing people.

#9 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2014-08-01 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

They could fire rockets every day for the next 5 years (probably 10 or even 20) and not kill as many people - Israeli and Palestinian - as Israel has already killed in Gaza.

I think there are honest arguments that can be made in defense of what Israel is doing but trying to spin this as a humanitarian endeavor is laughable.

#14 | Posted by sully at 2014-08-01 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm so sick of Obama's Israel can do no wrong attitude. I guess that's par for the course for our government though.

#15 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-01 03:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

They say it is 90% so 1 in ten rockets get through, that's one in ten that are aim indiscriminately at civilian populace.

Then they must be exceptionally weak, because only three Israeli civilians have died.

The self-defense response should be proportionate to the threat. Razing entire neighborhoods, telling 400,000 to evacuate their homes and killing hundreds of innocent civilians is not proportionate.

Further, Gaza is not another country. It is an occupied territory controlled by Israel trapped in misery and privation by a blockade and siege. Israel has obligations to protect the innocent people it keeps living in such circumstances.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The rockets are weak, cheap and easily intercepted, but it costs a fortune to intercept them.

"There are two main reasons Iron Dome offers Israel incomplete protection. First, each Tamir missile costs Israel between US$50-90,000, compared with only a few hundred dollars apiece for the rockets they intercept. Given such a profound cost imbalance, a sustained rocket campaign could have a crippling effect on Israel's defense budget."

#12 | Posted by rcade

No worries. When they run out of ammo we just give them more.

Can't let the War Junkies run out of their War Crack you know.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then they must be exceptionally weak, because only three Israeli civilians have died."

They are unguided. So the next time one gets through it could just as easily hit a school or hospital as it could land outside a city.

"The self-defense response should be proportionate to the threat."

No, the defense should be enough to deal with the threat.

#18 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

No worries. When they run out of ammo we just give them more.

This is as much our war as it is Israel's. We give them billions and they insult and belittle our president and senior diplomats in response to even mild challenges to their actions. Yet we keep sending the money.

Our Congress, which is completely AWOL on addressing most urgent needs of Americans because of partisan gridlock, comes together instantly on the idea of sending $225 million in emergency military aid to Israel. Democrats and Republicans never debate whether any of this is the right thing to do. They just quibble over how many hundreds of millions to send.

It's utterly appalling.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:15 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

No, the defense should be enough to deal with the threat.

That's what proportionate means.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"That's what proportionate means."

No, proportionate means the defense is at the same level as the attack, that is stalemate. You use enough force to end the threat, not back way down to play by their rules.

It's like this, a mosquito lands on you do you make a proportionate response and find a tiny straw to -------'s blood or do you crush it so it is no longer going after you and deal with it once and for all?

#21 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

To be fair/honest, I don't think people who are under attack should be told how they can defend themselves by outsiders. Hammering the enemy harder than would be necessary to stop the immediate threat can act as a warning to anyone who wants to start trouble in the future. We all know if Israel were to destroy every rocket currently in Gaza while killing the fewest people possible, Hamas would arm up and be firing rockets again inside of a month just to prove they can. What I have a problem with is:

- The reports that Israel does whatever it can to avoid civilian casualties, which is ridiculous. Also the claim that civilian casualties aren't intentional is absurd. If you fire a missile at people then you intended to kill them.

- That Israel's defenders act as if they under attack for no reason as if Israel hasn't been stealing from the Palestinians over the course of generations.

- That the US is funding much of this when both sides clearly want the the conflict to continue for their own selfish reasons and neither are worthy of support.

#22 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 03:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

You use enough force to end the threat, not back way down to play by their rules.

Killing hundreds of innocent civilians doesn't end the threat. It increases the number of Palestinians who will take up arms against Israel. Anyone who doesn't realize that is a fool. Israel could wipe out 100% of the tunnels and raze half of Gaza and it would not be safer in five years than it is today. If it wipes out Hamas it's likely to be replaced by something worse, because what Israel is doing to a captive population breeds extremism.

The only way Israel is safer is if the moderate elements in Gaza and the West Bank are strengthened by peace, freedom and economic prosperity and a lasting peace is negotiated that includes no more settlement building on Palestine land.

They can't bomb their way out of their problem.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

To be fair/honest, I don't think people who are under attack should be told how they can defend themselves by outsiders.

I agree with most of your comment, but this principle swings both ways. Palestinians are under attack. They live under siege conditions in Gaza and settlements are gobbling up their land in the West Bank. We fought a war of independence for less than they've endured.

#24 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The self-defense response should be proportionate to the threat.

Name one successful military engagement where this was employed?

#25 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The only way Israel is safer is if the moderate elements in Gaza and the West Bank are strengthened by peace, freedom and economic prosperity and a lasting peace is negotiated that includes no more settlement building on Palestine land.

You really haven't given Israel a solution, this is a utopian view. These things can't happen over night, its about trust.

Lets say for over 2 years, nothing came out of Gaza, meaning rockets, kidnapping et al. That Gaza was very very peaceful. The Gazains worked with Israeli's to root out extreme elements within Gaza.

But Israel, as is your contention, would hold its doors shut, and keeps them under a "blockade".

Do you think the international community would stand by and not tell Israel to open up? That the US wouldn't demand Israel to remove the blockade slowly?

I would be on the Palestinians side if this were the case. If Palestinians, the extreme ones, would quit shooting over the wire, this thing would end overtime as Israel trusted Palestinians.

Today there are no public trash cans in Israel do to trust issues.

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-01 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

" It increases the number of Palestinians who will take up arms against Israel. Anyone who doesn't realize that is a fool. Israel could wipe out 100% of the tunnels and raze half of Gaza and it would not be safer in five years than it is today. If it wipes out Hamas it's likely to be replaced by something worse, because what Israel is doing to a captive population breeds extremism."

But the Israel/egypt blockade was a product of terrorism. So what you are left with is if you lift it you fuel the terrorism. If you don't terrorism.
When the blockade was eased how long did it take before hamas used it to bring in more material for there terrorist effort. There is no be nice and they will be nice. To believe that is a possibility is naive.

So what can be done?
About the only thing that can be done is a show of force that impedes the terrorists and makes a show of might.
But even that is a temporary solution as you say. The only logical endgame is to remove the threat completely but Israel has chosen to hold back a great deal.

#27 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

... Israel has chosen to hold back a great deal.

In what way is Israel holding back that you'd like to see it do less of? Are you looking for 10,000+ dead in Gaza? Hundreds of thousands driven out of the country?

#28 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"So what can be done?"

Stop stealing land. Tear down the settlements. Remove boots from the necks of Palestinians who are not involved in extremism. Basically give up the dream of ethnic cleansing/annexation of the West Bank.

That would weaken recruting greatly and make it more likely that regular Palestinians will provide help in combating Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

#29 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you looking for 10,000+ dead in Gaza? Hundreds of thousands driven out of the country?

#28 | Posted by rcade

Give it some more time. That is exactly where this is all headed. This is a humanitarian crisis and the world is just letting it happen. In fact, the US appears to be helping it to happen...see post #19.

Disgusting.

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Penelope Cruz should apologize to Israel.

#31 | Posted by takitez at 2014-08-01 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

I do agree with all the comments about not sending money to Israel – ditto. It's been going on for decades, it's pathetic. Time for this kid to leave home, let alone get off the ---. I hate to see Israel in a conflict because I know it ultimately costs ME money. (I particularly love it when they fire a multi-million-dollar missile at a HAMAs rocket?

Dual citizenship my asz! That should be outlawed! They have beaten us in our democracy and are too savvy in our own political system. I actually heard one of these j-holes on my local right-wing radio show (Roger Hedgecock) matter-of-factly explaining why he was against "Obama care" since he already had free health care in IS! I couldn't believe what I was hearing – talk about traitor! (BTW – you'll know when ACA is successful when Fox and other tighties stop referring to it as "OBAMA CARE" and start calling it "aca".)

As for the Pals, face reality, they just need to stop breeding, as many other turd-world countries should - Haiti anyone? Their country is ------, they can't even feed or educate themselves – "UN schools" – WTF – probably rely on the free food more than the education. Leaders of turd-world conflicts use their own people as fodder simply because it reduces the mouths to feed – win/win for HAMAS.

And why does no one ever go after the arms makers? It's like there's some international pack to never expose the death merchants. Offer $100K reward to anyone who reveals a m-factory in Iran and f it up. Doesn't anyone have one word to say about these ----- Iranians facilitating this?

Oh and Danni – should we open the doors to all the Pals? Aren't they in more real danger than the fake "gang" crap these south-american kids are claiming? How about the Christian's in Iraq, and all the girls in Nigeria, and…

#32 | Posted by RADICALRANDY at 2014-08-01 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In what way is Israel holding back that you'd like to see it do less of? "

I never said i would like to see less holding back. But there is no doubt that they are tempering their response.

"Are you looking for 10,000+ dead in Gaza? Hundreds of thousands driven out of the country?"

No, but i will state that there is a solution that would involve that. That much has been known for centuries. Do i want it should come to that, absolutely not.
Just because someone is unwilling to justify terrorism does not mean they want civilians dead.

#33 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

The reports that Israel does whatever it can to avoid civilian casualties, which is ridiculous. Also the claim that civilian casualties aren't intentional is absurd. If you fire a missile at people then you intended to kill them.

They're calling ahead of each air strike telling people that it's coming, dropping leaflets telling civilians to evacuate AND knocking on the roof of structures they intend to strike with non-explosive ordinance as a warning first. Why would they offer that kind of warning if they wanted civilians to die?

Also, if Hamas didn't want it's civilians caught in the crossfire, why would they hide amongst them, store rockets in UN schools and continue to provoke Israel with ongoing attacks?

I'd be willing to give your comment more consideration if you supported it with reasoning

#34 | Posted by drewdah at 2014-08-01 04:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Stop stealing land. Tear down the settlements. Remove boots from the necks of Palestinians who are not involved in extremism."

I agree that the treaties should be adhered to, and Israel has violated them. Frankly i believe that we should have issued sanctions rather then just condemning the action.

But that would not accomplish anything. Hatred will always exist and recruitment will never be a problem for them. Look at other nations where the economic conditions do not lend to that and yet it still exists for ethnic and religious reasons.

Further, as i stated in the past when the blockade has been eased it was instantly used to bring in materials for hamas terrorism. So even without looking at the context of similar regions you see that hamas has no intention of peace whatsoever.

#35 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.theguardian.com

Please stop with the 3 Israeli deaths. There have been many more Jews who have died in this conflict. You don't have to be so one sided..

56 soldiers have died..

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2014-08-01 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Its sucks that people are dying, but here's the bottom line. In a world where Israel remains victorious, Palestinians still exist. In a world where Hamas is victorious, there is no Israel. There are no jews. And if the rest of the middle east is an example, there will be no faith other than Islam.

Eventually, the world must do to the Islamists what they did to the Japanese. Given them the choice of abandoning their imperial aspirations or cease to exist. We're still a long way out from that point, and it's only going to get more and more difficult. what happens when Al Quaeda or some other Islamist organization gets a nuke and threatens to blow up NYC or London. There's no question they will do it. The only question is whether or not the west would accept the loss of the city and crush the enemy, or just surrendur.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2014-08-01 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"They're calling ahead of each air strike telling people that it's coming, dropping leaflets telling civilians to evacuate AND knocking on the roof of structures they intend to strike with non-explosive ordinance as a warning first. Why would they offer that kind of warning if they wanted civilians to die?"

These people are all packed in like sardines. Is anyone letting them leave Gaza? Has Israel designated any area inside Gaza as a safe zone that won't be bombed? No? Then where can they go where they won't be bombed?

And even when they try to leave, people have been bombed while trying to evacuate. It would not make sense to actually give them enough time to evacuate because Hamas would just evacuate too. And even if they make it to shelters, Israel has bombed shelters. The "advance warning" stuff is just PR, its not saving any lives and isn't meant to do so.

"Also, if Hamas didn't want it's civilians caught in the crossfire, why would they hide amongst them, store rockets in UN schools and continue to provoke Israel with ongoing attacks?"

Hamas is scum. If you fire missiles at civilians, its still not an accident when they die.

"I'd be willing to give your comment more consideration if you supported it with reasoning"

What reasoning do you need? Are we all three year olds who don't yet understand accountability? If you fire missiles at civilians then you didn't kill them by accident. I don't know why anyone would need to be told this.

#38 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Please stop with the 3 Israeli deaths."

Civilian deaths.

#39 | Posted by Sully at 2014-08-01 04:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Are you looking for 10,000+ dead in Gaza? Hundreds of thousands driven out of the country?"

No, but i will state that there is a solution that would involve that.

Would that be The Final Solution?

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

just watched YOUR presidents' news conference...the clown sounded surprised that HAMAS BROKE the cease fire...good joke..I THOUGHT was the only one..

then he gave his full support to KERRY....and then I realized that was his second joke.....

www.washingtonpost.com

the bottom line on his article? kerry went to people who LIKE hamas and didn't understand why Israel didn't like what he came up with....HELLO????????

#41 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Would that be The Final Solution?

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 201

end of hamas....by any means necessary.

#42 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Israel broke the cease fire.

The genocide is almost complete and Israel will soon be able to absorb the Gaza Strip into their nation.

Once the dead bodies of the Palestinians have been cleaned up of course.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Would that be The Final Solution?
#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 201

end of Palestinians....by any means necessary.
#42 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2014-08-01 05:09 PM | FLAG:

FTFY

And don't worry. Israel is nearly finished murdering all the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Would that be The Final Solution?"

Without holding back as they have that would be he most logical solution. That is the solution that hamas is forcing should they continue to engage in terrorism.

#45 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

The genocide is almost complete and Israel will soon be able to absorb the Gaza Strip into their nation.

There are 1.8 million people living in Gaza. 1,400 Palestinians have died. Suggesting "the genocide is almost complete" shows you need to work on your math.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 2

aha ha ha...just heard one of the head guys in gaza....yes they broke the cease fire and yes they shot the two and now have another captured BUT it's Israel's fault because they're so much far superior militarily than hamas..

AHA ...really ?? and this,I would imagine, is going to be accepted logic here on this thread...

really unbelievable....

#47 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just because someone is better does not mean they lose the right to defend. Are they just supposed to wait until the iron dome fails? Or maybe until one of the IED makes it to a population center?
What is the alternative to attacking where you were attacked from?
#6 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 02:51 PM | FLAG:

You're a, "shot first ask questions later", type of guy.

With all your, "what ifs?"

It's amazing you're able to sleep at night with the possibility that Hamas could be hiding under your bed waiting to kill you once you fall asleep.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Israel broke the cease fire

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

according to EVERY report on multiple networks Im hearing, this is a lie.
It sounds like your'e making a pitch to replace sandra rice this sunday morning.

#49 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Would that be The Final Solution?"

Without holding back as they have that would be he most logical solution. That is the solution that hamas is forcing should they continue to engage in terrorism.
#45 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 05:16 PM | FLAG:

The terror is being brought upon the Palestinians by Israel.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're a, "shot first ask questions later", type of guy. "

Kinda not shoot first when it is a direct response to being shot at now is it?

"With all your, "what ifs?""

No what if's. Only a statement that pretending like Israel should just wait and it will go away is asinine.


"It's amazing you're able to sleep at night with the possibility that Hamas could be hiding under your bed waiting to kill you once you fall asleep."

No, what is truly amazing is how low people will sink to to justify terrorism against a country or people they hate. Scratch that, not amazing, sickening.

#51 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

according to EVERY report on multiple networks Im hearing, this is a lie.

The voices in your head are not reputable.

And our media is owned by people sympathetic to Israel.

So pardon me if I laugh in your general direction.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm glad Hamas broke the cease fire. Now Israel can continue to obliterate Hamas and the civilians that elected them. Win-win.

#53 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 05:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The terror is being brought upon the Palestinians by Israel. "

Yes, by blockading a port because it was used to bring in implements of terror. Even when they backed off the blockade the terrorists used it again to reinforce their operations. But no sure it must be the people who are the targets of terrorism that are the real terrorists.

Yes they violated the land treaty but to pretend like that justifies the actual terrorism committed against them is disturbing.

#54 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas is a cancer....cut out the cancer that's sworn to kill them. pretty simple, actually.

tunnels carrying weapons and suicide bombers.....missiles fired all day and night....and Israel fights back and does it the way we don't...they fight to win because they know the enemy and they know we're in a war on terror..something dems still won't even call it that.

#55 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

"And our media is owned by people sympathetic to Israel.
So pardon me if I laugh in your general direction."

And the good people at Reynolds wrap that you for your continued use of the product and look foreword to the next truckload you will be ordering.

#56 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The terror is being brought upon the Palestinians by Israel.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack

I imagine this would be your prospective if you started a fight and preceded to get your ass kicked. But keep swinging man, you might get lucky or die trying.

#57 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 05:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course Israel broke the cease fire

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

according to EVERY report on multiple networks Im hearing, this is a lie.
It sounds like your'e making a pitch to replace sandra rice this sunday morning.

#49 | Posted by afkabl2

hah...Multiple Networks = The Sarah Palin Channel, The Glenda Beck Channel, Fox News channel 50, and the Cartoon Network?

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

And our media is owned by people sympathetic to Israel.

So pardon me if I laugh in your general direction.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014

the media is?? you have to be playing devil's advocate. No person who has watched a moment of this could say that with a straight face. It's such a bizarre statement, it's sending me to happy hour. I'm going to have to have some alcohol in my blood stream to even read that total nonsense.

and it's amazing how Im sitting here listening to precisely what I say, but somehow YOU know otherwise....that's pretty good...

#59 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I'm going to have to have some alcohol in my blood stream to even read that total nonsense. "

That is inadvisable, the amount needed would surely end in death by alcohol poisoning.

#60 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

hah...Multiple Networks = The Sarah Palin Channel, The Glenda Beck Channel, Fox News channel 50, and the Cartoon Network?

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01

a network not yet broadcasting...a network I've never seen nor will pay to see....channel 50..what is that? and I love the old cartoons where bugs bunny is directing an orchestra but it's not on...

son...you need to get something to eat..you're having the vapors or something....lol

#61 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm going to have to have some alcohol in my blood stream to even read that total nonsense. "

That is inadvisable, the amount needed would surely end in death by alcohol poisoning.

#60 | Posted by salamandagator at 20

well truth be of course......there's gonna be some there "IRREGARDLESS".......

and with that

IT"S MARGARITA TIME IN TEXAS>..!! YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHOOOOOOOO
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hasta laredo

#62 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2014-08-01 05:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

according to EVERY report on multiple networks Im hearing, this is a lie.

The voices in your head are not reputable.

And our media is owned by people sympathetic to Israel.

So pardon me if I laugh in your general direction.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack

Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon blamed Hamas for violating what was meant to be a three-day humanitarian cease-fire and demanded the immediate and unconditional release of the missing soldier.

From one of your socialist fanatical leftist sites: www.huffingtonpost.com

#63 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

[...] Who in their right mind supports the kind of stooge that literally breaks a cease fire in a war in which they are being beaten senseless?
What kind of person supports such a self destructive group of gluttons? They were elected, and they're clearly bringing the type of pain and suffering that the Palestinians voted for.

#65 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is an idea that Hamas can easily employ in order to keep civilian casualties to a minimum...uniforms.
Nah, dead "civilians" are Marketable.

#66 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is an idea that Hamas can easily employ in order to keep civilian casualties to a minimum...uniforms."

You think they have that much courage?

#67 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

From one of your socialist fanatical leftist sites: www.huffingtonpost.com

#63 | Posted by Daniel

Oh hey look! Actual (inconclusive) data to support your accusations!

That's different.

#68 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"You're a, "shot first ask questions later", type of guy. "

Kinda not shoot first when it is a direct response to being shot at now is it?

Who shot first? Who's done more damage? Who stands to gain by the total destruction of Gaza?

It's Israel.

"With all your, "what ifs?""

No what if's. Only a statement that pretending like Israel should just wait and it will go away is asinine.

Since I never made that comment I guess your talking about someone else.

Truth is. Israel has other options.

If they "know" there are rockets in a school filled with children, why not go in with force and remove the rockets? Why is blowing up the school the better option?

"It's amazing you're able to sleep at night with the possibility that Hamas could be hiding under your bed waiting to kill you once you fall asleep."

No, what is truly amazing is how low people will sink to to justify terrorism against a country or people they hate. Scratch that, not amazing, sickening.
#51 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 05:20 PM | FLAG:

The only person justifying terrorism is you. You're cheering on the murders of countless innocent Palestinians.

Like I said. It's amazing you're able to sleep at night with such soiled undergarments.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

son...you need to get something to eat..you're having the vapors or something....lol

#61 | Posted by afkabl2

I can't believe you would even respond to that nonsense. I must have touched a nerve or something. (I knew the Cartoon Channel would be one of your favorites though.)

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2014-08-01 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who in their right mind supports the kind of stooge that literally breaks a cease fire in a war in which they are being beaten senseless?

Hamas isn't being beaten senseless; the Palestinian people are. Hamas, as an extremist movement, is probably emerging from this war in a stronger position. Israel's extremists and Palestinian extremists have been serving each other's purposes for years.

Israel's right-wing leaders want a movement like Hamas to exist so they can prolong the struggle and continuing building towards Greater Israel by gobbling up Palestinian land in the West Bank.

#71 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well I try. Fair and balanced you know ;)

#72 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 05:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is an idea that Hamas can easily employ in order to keep civilian casualties to a minimum...uniforms."
You think they have that much courage?

#67 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 05:45 PM | FLAG:

You know who has real courage?

The Israelis.

Blowing up civilian neighborhoods, schools, and power plants with airstrikes because they're too scared to confront Hamas on the ground.

They'd much rather carry out their genocide from the air.

And couch jockeys like you can sit back and absorb anti Palestinian propaganda and then try to talk about the plight of the Israelis.

If only the nazis had such a good PR department...

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 05:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're cheering on the murders of countless innocent Palestinians.

When you allow a known terrorist organization to operate freely in your schools and hospitals, you are no longer innocent but, aid and abetting the terrorist. Don't believe me, ask a Palestinian if they support Hamas. The majority say yes.

#74 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 05:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who shot first?"

Hamas.

"Truth is. Israel has other options. "

Like what?

You said you do not think they cannot just do nothing. They tried weakening the blockade and that did not work. So what other then taking care of the terrorists would have any effect?

"The only person justifying terrorism is you."

Redefining terrorism to fit your warped word view is admission of failed reason. Defending the real terrorists is sickening and you should be ashamed to do such a thing. [...]

#75 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is an idea that Hamas can easily employ in order to keep civilian casualties to a minimum...uniforms."

This is so corny I can't believe a military veteran actually said it. They're employing guerrilla warfare like every other insurgency would do in their position.

#76 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hamas is the choice of the Palestinian people. If the civilians didnt want them then they'd turn on them and inform Israel of their where abouts, the tunnels, and the weapons caches. Maybe they'd even quit voting for them seeing as though the results are completely predictable. Elections and support have consequences, which everyone but Palestinians seemed to have figured out.
Hamas is being devastated. I don't know why somebody would pretend otherwise.

Anyway, when Arabs support Jews over Palestinians, there's a problem that's evident to everyone other than Jew hating euros and Americans, as well as liberal Americans that support the Palestinian gluttons.

#77 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, by blockading a port because it was used to bring in implements of terror. Even when they backed off the blockade the terrorists used it again to reinforce their operations. But no sure it must be the people who are the targets of terrorism that are the real terrorists.
Yes they violated the land treaty but to pretend like that justifies the actual terrorism committed against them is disturbing.
#54 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 05:23 PM | FLAG:

Right right. It's all the Palestinians fault that Israel walled them off and continues a to kill them on a daily basis.

Stop being so deliberately obtuse.

The Palestinians love their prison. Especially since it's been 3 days now without water or power.

It took Americans a long time to admit what the nazis were doing was wrong and it took the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor before Americans finally joined the war to save the remaining Jewish population of Europe.

May the Palestinians be so lucky that one day they may receive support.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Blowing up civilian neighborhoods, schools, and power plants with airstrikes because they're too scared to confront Hamas on the ground. "

Uh, you are aware they have troops on the ground right?

And now using tools is a cowardly?

"And couch jockeys like you can sit back and absorb anti Palestinian propaganda and then try to talk about the plight of the Israelis. "

Yes, anti-Palestine propaganda. Yup that's what it is. Really hamas never fired rockets and never sent in IEDs and are perfect little citizens.

"If only the nazis had such a good PR department"

Well considering what you, and your ilk, have been fooled into, to moral equivalent of the nazis seem to have PR enough.

#79 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right right. It's all the Palestinians fault that Israel walled them off and continues a to kill them on a daily basis.

Because the palestinians had a nasty habit of exploding in the middle of israeli buses, night clubs, hotels, restaurants and even in the street.

#80 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 06:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Palestinians love their prison. Especially since it's been 3 days now without water or power."

Take that up with the cause of it, hamas.

"It's all the Palestinians fault that Israel walled them off and continues a to kill them on a daily basis. "
A response to their actions which proved necessary and even when it was backed off and eased the terrorist action continued.

"Stop being so deliberately obtuse. "

Sure thing Mr. "no really the terrorists are the good guys".

#81 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

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Uh, what insurgency doesn't bring pain and suffering to the local populace? The answer is none.
So, if Hamas wants less civilian casualties they can wear uniforms and spare the Palestinians that clearly support them, correct?

Btw, you pretty much painted yourself in a corner.

#82 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They're employing guerrilla warfare like every other insurgency would do in their position."

No most have the honor and decency to avoid using civilians as cover. Why defend a people, if you consider it that, by hiding among them causing them to die?

They are cowards, they know they can use civilians as shields as their death is useful propaganda.

#83 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 06:07 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

All I can do is look upon you Israel apologists with shame.

The excuses you use to justify Israel's actions is mind boggling.

Israel is guilty of terrorizing the Palestinians. But somehow you believe the only way to be a terrorist is to be a Muslim that uses guerrilla warfare.

It's laughable. If it weren't so depressing.

Fact is. This genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza is viewed completely differently outside of this country. This country since WW2 has become the caretakers of Israel. Our media and politicians are owned by Israel.

This war can only be resolved by a willing Israel. And Israel isn't willing to do anything other than kill Palestinians.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without civilian support, no insurgency or guerrillas can survive. With that in mind, tell me more about these innocent civilians that are being killed by Israelis.
In other words, they aren't innocent if they're supporting your so called guerrillas. They are reaping what they've sown. Chickens coming home to roost, as they say.

#85 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The Palestinians love their prison. Especially since it's been 3 days now without water or power."

Take that up with the cause of it, hamas.

Hamas blew up the power plant?

Just more proof that reality and Saliliar are millions of miles apart.

"It's all the Palestinians fault that Israel walled them off and continues a to kill them on a daily basis. "

A response to their actions which proved necessary and even when it was backed off and eased the terrorist action continued.

Again. The only terrorism is coming from Israel.

I know, you've been programmed to believe Israel can do nothing wrong and that the Palestinians are all Hamas.

Those children would eventually become Hamas.

They all deserve to die.

"Stop being so deliberately obtuse. "

Sure thing Mr. "no really the terrorists are the good guys".
#81 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 06:05 PM | FLAG:

I never, ever, accused the Israelis of being good guys.

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

No most have the honor and decency to avoid using civilians as cover.

You shouldn't throw around words like "honor and decency" when you're justifying attacks by a powerful military on a captive population that have killed over 1,000 innocent civilians and displaced tens of thousands.

There's nothing honorable or decent about what's happening in Gaza. Israel is engaging in collective punishment against an entire people because of the militants in their midst, which is a war crime.

#87 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without civilian support, no insurgency or guerrillas can survive. With that in mind, tell me more about these innocent civilians that are being killed by Israelis.
In other words, they aren't innocent if they're supporting your so called guerrillas. They are reaping what they've sown. Chickens coming home to roost, as they say.
#85 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 06:12 PM | FLAG:

A better story to tell would be of the "thousands of rockets" flying out of Gaza everyday.

And how inconvenient it is to the hillsides they hit.

Israel's response is completely justified.

The other day some kids where playing baseball outside my house and one kid hit to ball and it hit my lawn.

So I shot the kids.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

With that in mind, tell me more about these innocent civilians that are being killed by Israelis.

There's really nothing I can say to someone who thinks no civilians in Gaza are innocent. Your position is monstrous, and if you don't see that I feel sorry for you.

#89 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Militants in their midst"? Why, you make it sound so simple. Why don't these civilians simply point out/turn on these militants in their midst, and stop the collective punishment?

Unless, perhaps they support these same militants in the form of votes, and logistical support, in which case they cease being innocent civilians.

The old catch 22.

#90 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

They are cowards, they know they can use civilians as shields as their death is useful propaganda.
#83 | POSTED BY SALAMANDAGATOR AT 2014-08-01 06:07 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Funniest talking point of them all.

"Civilian shields"

Sally. Your perfect for the tea party.

Never change.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fact is. This genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza is viewed completely differently outside of this country.

Ah be patient Grasshopper, indeed the entire world will turn against Israel. Even most likely the US.

This country since WW2 has become the caretakers of Israel. Our media and politicians are owned by Israel.

I think you are completely missing the mark here. The loyalty to Israel is much, much deeper than any politics or media influence. The Christian believe in the God of Israel and believes what He said concerning the Land of Israel and it's people. Because you may disagree does not nullify this belief. For example:

Exodus 23.

20 "See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22 If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you. 23 My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out. 24 Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces. 25 Worship the Lord your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, 26 and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.

27 "I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run. 28 I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the land.

31 "I will establish your borders from the Red Sea[a] to the Mediterranean Sea,[b] and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you. 32 Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. 33 Do not let them live in your land or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you."

#92 | Posted by Daniel at 2014-08-01 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I never said there weren't any innocent civilians. What I'm implying is that there aren't enough of them to matter. Too many support Hamas. So many, in fact, that their insurgency is popular.
You seem to have a hard time coming to grips with that, or addressing it.

#93 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Exodus 23."

Yes, it's a war between monotheistic cult groups.

#94 | Posted by nullifidian at 2014-08-01 06:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

#92 | POSTED BY DANIEL AT 2014-08-01 06:27 PM | FLAG:

Thanks for the reminder of how religion is poison for the soul.

May god forgive you for supporting the death of all the innocent Palestinians.

#95 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too many support Hamas. So many, in fact, that their insurgency is popular. You seem to have a hard time coming to grips with that, or addressing it.

They support groups like Hamas because they're an occupied people living in squalor and misery, blockaded and under siege by an occupier, and their land is being stolen from them with settlements.

#96 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I never said there weren't any innocent civilians. What I'm implying is that there aren't enough of them to matter. Too many support Hamas. So many, in fact, that their insurgency is popular.
You seem to have a hard time coming to grips with that, or addressing it.

#93 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 06:27 PM | FLAG:

Funny thing is, if you were a Palestinian you'd be part of Hamas.

Which may be the reason you believe all Palestinians to be Hamas.

But your statement is as factual as saying all Americans are Republicans.

Now that's a scary thought.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Im not sure i understand this line of thinking...
If only Hamas wasn't so inept. We need more dead Israelis. That way it's more fair.

#98 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ok, if they support them, then they cease to be innocent civilians. That's literally how war works. Literally.

#99 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ok, if they support them, then they cease to be innocent civilians.

It's amazing to see you continue to look for ways to define an innocent civilian as a combatant. You think you're defending Israel, but you're indicting it.

#100 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

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I don't know why I'd want to bring perpetual death and destruction to my family and community, but if you say that's what I'd do, then it must be true.

You guys paint yourselves in corners, and contradict yourselves at the same time.

If the civilians don't support Hamas they'd turn on them. If they do support Hamas, then they're getting what they asked for. Until enough Palestinians stop supporting Hamas they'll continue to experience collective punishment.

#101 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ok, if they support them, then they cease to be innocent civilians. That's literally how war works. Literally.

#99 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 06:36 PM | FLAG:

You might have a point if this was a war.

But it isn't.

It's just Israel murdering Palestinians.

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no interest in defending Israel. They're doing a decent enough job on their own. What I'm doing is placing blame on Hamas and the majority of Palestinians that support them. You and your ilk seem to think their actions and support should be free of consequences. That's not how the real world works.

The minority that doesn't support Hamas are being pummeled due to their countrymen, and their hate of Jews, and love of misery. Poor them, but those are the breaks.

#103 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

They support groups like Hamas because they're an occupied people living in squalor and misery, blockaded and under siege by an occupier, and their land is being stolen from them with settlements.

#96 | POSTED BY RCADE

Since Hamas has taken over, do you think there has been a fair election?

Do you think Gays, Women and other religions in Gaza agree with your assessment?

Regarding the "stolen" land, is that really worth all this? Is it really being "stolen" as you claim? Do they have any recourse through the UN? If they gave up fighting and went peaceful, do you think the world would stand by and let Israel not come to terms with a two-state solution?

Sometimes Israel returns the land... like Gaza... and what happens within weeks?

But again, you want it all now, and you want Israel to trust them.........

You have shown no indication that Palestine is doing anything wrong,by lobbing rockets at the population around Gaza, yet you want Israel to "trust" that if they just stopped it would all be ok?

#104 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-01 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Until enough Palestinians stop supporting Hamas they'll continue to experience collective punishment.

Collective punishment is a war crime. You're advocating that Israel commit a war crime over a sustained period of time, a move that will leave it with no friends except possibly us. But they'll be testing even our support at some point through actions like this war. Younger Americans care as much about the Palestinians as they do the Israelis.

#105 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is it really being "stolen" as you claim?

I can't believe you're asking that question. You don't know that Israel is stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank by approving new settlements there?

#106 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know why I'd want to bring perpetual death and destruction to my family and community, but if you say that's what I'd do, then it must be true.

Really? I never pictured you as a roll over and die type of guy. But if you say so it must be true.

Good luck sleeping at night. Hopefully Israel won't blow up your entire neighborhood for fun.

You guys paint yourselves in corners, and contradict yourselves at the same time.

Wait. Are you trying to say you've got someone in a corner? Lol. Been hanging out with Eddie lately?

If the civilians don't support Hamas they'd turn on them. If they do support Hamas, then they're getting what they asked for. Until enough Palestinians stop supporting Hamas they'll continue to experience collective punishment.
#101 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 06:41 PM | FLAG:

Right and if your don't like bloods and cryps in your neighborhood you can just go to the police.

Hahahaha!! You've got to be kidding.

You'll roll over and die for Israel to protect your family. But your gonna rat out a Hamas members? Why so then another Hamas member will come kill your family?

Talk about contradictions and painting yourself into a corner.

You sure you're not Eddie?

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

105
That literally makes zero sense. Not every German supported hitler. Which, using your logic, means the allies were guilty of collective punishment which in turn means they were guilty of war crimes...which is, as you know, a ridiculous claim.

#108 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I have no interest in defending Israel. They're doing a decent enough job on their own. What I'm doing is placing blame on Hamas and the majority of Palestinians that support them. You and your ilk seem to think their actions and support should be free of consequences. That's not how the real world works.
The minority that doesn't support Hamas are being pummeled due to their countrymen, and their hate of Jews, and love of misery. Poor them, but those are the breaks.
#103 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 06:45 PM | FLAG:

Meanwhile you and your ilk think there are a plethora of options for the Palestinians in Gaza.

What you're doing is the same thing you always do.

Looking at things with no perspective.

I wonder why you haven't suggested that they all just get up and move.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you think Gays, Women and other religions in Gaza agree with your assessment?

Regarding the "stolen" land, is that really worth all this? Is it really being "stolen" as you claim? Do they have any recourse through the UN? If they gave up fighting and went peaceful, do you think the world would stand by and let Israel not come to terms with a two-state solution?

Sometimes Israel returns the land... like Gaza... and what happens within weeks?

But again, you want it all now, and you want Israel to trust them.........

You have shown no indication that Palestine is doing anything wrong,by lobbing rockets at the population around Gaza, yet you want Israel to "trust" that if they just stopped it would all be ok?

#104 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2014-08-01 06:46 PM |

Israel is in DIRECT violation of UN Resolution 242 as many more with regards to not returning stolen lands. Plus all of the settlements as well as that damned wall. It's uncalled for if Israel is truly wanting peace.

#110 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-01 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

107 is so embarrassing that I'm just going to laugh at it.

#111 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 06:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Which, using your logic, means the allies were guilty of collective punishment which in turn means they were guilty of war crimes...

Don't drag me into your logic of supporting collective punishment. I don't. I find the idea utterly repugnant. Read the Fourth Geneva Convention. Collective punishment is as much of a war crime as terrorism.

"No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against persons and their property are prohibited."

#112 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

en.wikipedia.org

The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli-occupied territories illegal under international law,[1][2][3][4][5] however Israel maintains that they are consistent with international law[6] because it does not agree that the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the territories occupied in the 1967 Six-Day War.[7] The United Nations Security Council, the United Nations General Assembly, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the International Court of Justice and the High Contracting Parties to the Convention have all affirmed that the Fourth Geneva Convention does apply.[8][9]

Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions in 1979 and 1980.[10][11][12] UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[13] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[14] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

#113 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2014-08-01 07:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

War is collective punishment. War is not a war crime.

#114 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#111

I embarrassed you into submission? Cool

Palestinians don't turn in Hamas to Israel because of retaliation by other members of Hamas.

Glad the point stuck.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

War is collective punishment.

I don't think you genuinely believe something this stupid. Go troll somebody else. I'm not playing any more.

#116 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

One of us doesn't know the definition of "troll".

Under your definition of collective punishment, any war is a war crime, because there has literally never been a war where every person has agreed with their own country, state, government, etc.
there is also no way to attack your enemy without collateral damage to people and infrastructure, which IMO, is collective punishment.

115
That's even weaker than 107, which is quite remarkable.

#117 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's even weaker than 107, which is quite remarkable.
#117 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2014-08-01 07:22 PM | FLAG:

You've got nothing old man.

Nothing but trolling.

At least try to be funny.

Instead of pathetic.

#118 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

The good news is that at least you've stopped embarrasing yourself by trying to convince anyone that Hamas isn't the most inept and self destructive org. in the history of inept and self destructive organizations.
The bad news is that you are horribly boring when you're not making me laugh with your stupidity.

Run along now.

#119 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 07:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

What's really amusing is your inability to comprehend the situation the Palestinians are facing.

You should resume making fun of black people since you have nothing to add to this discussion.

And again. At least try to be funny. You've become a bore.

#120 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did you just paraphrase my 119? Holy crap.

You should have taken my advice.

#121 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2014-08-01 08:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lol!

You find 120 to be "paraphrasing" 119?

You're just desperate.

And ultimately, boring.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2014-08-01 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

These people are all packed in like sardines. Is anyone letting them leave Gaza? Has Israel designated any area inside Gaza as a safe zone that won't be bombed? No? Then where can they go where they won't be bombed?

The point is, none of the warnings are necessary if their intent was actually to indiscriminately slaughter civilians.

I'm not in the IDF and I assume you aren't either, so I can't speak for them, but from news reports it appears that they are targeting places that have military significance: buildings with caches of weapons, news & tv stations (Hamas was using them to tell civilians to ignore IDF orders to evacuate), power plants, homes of known terrorist leaders, all with advance notice to give civilians time to get out of harm's way.

We've even seen pictures and videos of people heeding those warnings and evacuating. Saying it's not working and not "intended to" is flat out wrong.

Hamas is scum. If you fire missiles at civilians, its still not an accident when they die.
Are we all three year olds who don't yet understand accountability? If you fire missiles at civilians then you didn't kill them by accident...

Three year old's throw tantrums, use inflammatory language and assert that they are right and that everyone else is wrong without actually explaining themselves. Your hyperbole asserts that Israel is purposefully targeting civilians with malicious intent to kill, which is at the very least dishonest and multiple news organizations have shown evidence that your claim is demonstrably false.

#123 | Posted by drewdah at 2014-08-01 08:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Get out of harms way and go where,do they tell them that?Course if they did Hamas weapons would follow so that part sounds like Israeli propaganda to me."We are being so nice to you and Mohammed didn't have electricity or water treatment facilities or hospitals anyway"

#124 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-01 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Of course the usa had a Gaza too,we pronounced it oklahoma,but we camefor that too.

#125 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-01 08:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

The point is, none of the warnings are necessary if their intent was actually to indiscriminately slaughter civilians.

Their intent isn't as relevant as the toll their actions are taking: 1,400 dead, 80% of whom are civilians according to humanitarian groups.

But the warnings don't work in many cases, which is one reason so many civilians are being massacred. It's idiotic to think doing things like dropping pieces of paper telling 400,000 people to evacuate is going to limit civilian casualties in a packed-in place like Gaza where there's no shelter for that many people fleeing bombs.

#126 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"After the tunnel clash, Israel struck back with heavy artillery fire and an aerial bombardment of Rafah. According to local health authorities, at least 65 Palestinians were killed, many of them children, and more than 350 were wounded. ..."

"The bombardment of Rafah appeared to reflect what the IDF called the 'Hannibal directive', in which it responds to any capture of a soldier with heavy fire aimed at stopping the captors leaving the scene, even if it risks injury to the Israeli prisoner."

www.reuters.com

Does any of that sound like Israel taking care to minimize civilian casualties? Of course not. They strike hard and they kill a lot of innocent people in an attempt to get some combatants. That's their playbook.

#127 | Posted by rcade at 2014-08-01 09:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does any of that sound like Israel taking care to minimize civilian casualties? Of course not. They strike hard and they kill a lot of innocent people in an attempt to get some combatants. That's their playbook.

#127 | Posted by rcade

Can you give us a link to a picture of a Hamas fighter?

#128 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2014-08-01 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's idiotic to think doing things like dropping pieces of paper telling 400,000 people to evacuate is going to limit civilian casualties in a packed-in place like Gaza where there's no shelter for that many people fleeing bombs."

Oh, so warning people and letting them choose does not count?
Calling and the knocking rockets are not to limit civilian casualties either?

I guess Israel should just stop defending themselves and let hamas do whatever they want.

You can only do so much but the problem has to be solved. People will die, that sucks but that was the design of hamas not Israel. Remember hamas is telling the Palestinians not to leave. But of course that does not put blood on their hands. That's not using them as shields. And you can call them terrorists just because they engage in terrorism the situation made them target Israel's civilians so it's completely acceptable.

#129 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Can you give us a link to a picture of a Hamas fighter?"

It's kinda hard to, what with the whole not distinguishing themselves(against international law in and of itself) and hiding behind women and children they are hard to spot.

#130 | Posted by salamandagator at 2014-08-01 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

A picture of a Hamas fighter?Well apparently they are not a country so why would they have uniforms.WWII the resistance and partisons didn't have uniforms.I don't think the green mountain boys did either.Hell alot of G.Washinton's boys didn't have shoes.....You go to war with the army you got,said some -------

#131 | Posted by bruceaz at 2014-08-01 10:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Israel is in DIRECT violation of UN Resolution 242...

Was it the expression, the emphasis, the affirmation or the requests that were "DIRECTLY" violated?

#132 | Posted by et_al at 2014-08-02 02:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

From Israeli David Harris-Gershon:

Netanyahu's narrative for how we've arrived at this conflict goes like this:

1) Hamas (who I find abhorrent) started firing rockets at Israel without incitement.
2) Israel restrained itself like no other country, until finally it had to act.
3) Israel wants to stop and sign a ceasefire, but Hamas won't do it.

The truth is much more complicated. See, what nobody talks about is how, minutes after Hamas and the Palestinian Authority signed a unity agreement on the evening of April 23, the initial phase of a long-sought reconciliation amongst Palestinians, Israel bombed Gaza, wounding 12 civilians. Israel claimed to have missed its target, a Hamas militant. However, most observers in Israel saw it for what it likely was: an effort to elicit rockets from Gaza and immediately imperil Palestinian reconciliation, which Netanyahu greatly fears.

From that moment, Netanyahu has made every effort to incite Hamas to violence. Tragically, he found such an opportunity when three Israeli teens were kidnapped in the West Bank on June 12. Despite denials by Hamas that it was involved and evidence it was perpetrated by rogue criminals, Netanyahu placed the blame squarely on Hamas, saying it would "pay a heavy price." For the next three weeks, despite evidence which now suggests Israeli authorities knew the teens had been killed immediately, Israel pummeled and ransacked West Bank communities, killing a number of Palestinians while arresting many more connected to Hamas. Israel's military was supposed to be looking for the teens. What it did, to nobody's surprise, was finally provoke Hamas to act, making Hamas equally culpable in the ongoing violence.

And now, here we are today, with Israel pummeling Gaza, killing innocent civilians while also destroying tunnels and weapons caches, claiming that the goal is to achieve quiet for Israel's citizens, who have been dodging Hamas rockets for weeks. Nevermind that this goal cannot be attained by the current military operation, something history has repeatedly shown over the last seven years. Stopping rockets from being fired on a civilian population is a legitimate reason to be engaged in military actions.

Such a goal I wouldn't question, and if Israel had no hand in sparking the current violence, I would be much more reticent to critique its actions, as I too want the rocket fire to end. However, the problem is that this entire Gaza operation has not been about restoring quiet so much as destroying Palestinian reconciliation and the potential for an elected government which includes Hamas officials.

In short, those who claim Hamas started this latest episode in the never ending Palestinian-Israeli conflicts are misinformed.

As misinformed as those who have no idea the West Bank is NOT controlled by Hamas, and the PLO have never supported Hamas' control of Gaza.

Netanyahu - like Sharon's Temple Mount episode on the eve of peace accords - designed to blow up Israeli-Palestinian peace accords - wants to keep the violence going. As oppressive occupiers of Palestinian land - land they haven't stolen yet to build new settlements in violation of numerous UN mandates and agreements that Israelis disregard as soon as the ink is dry - only continues to provoke the Palestinians until people start getting killed. As oppressed people will do.

Something those Israeli leaders have forgotten Jews once were in many parts of Europe. Now they're the thugs in jackboots.

#133 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2014-08-02 03:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

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